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Rockntractor
01-09-2011, 12:24 AM
hootinholler (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-08-11 10:40 PM
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Ok, who and when was the last person who could be considered left wing killed people?
The only thing I can think of is the weather underground back in what, the 70s?

Maybe there was some radical environmentalist taking action against logging, but I don't recall any.

I'm asking seriously, because I know I'm going to be hearing about both sides doing it and I want to know the facts so I can unload.

A little help?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x146799#147156

This thread will probably end up locked

SarasotaRepub
01-09-2011, 12:31 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x146799#147156

This thread will probably end up locked


Well...classic stuff. :cool::D

Rockntractor
01-09-2011, 12:37 AM
Well...classic stuff. :cool::D

The list keeps growing with no end in site, and their rules keep narrowing!:D

SarasotaRepub
01-09-2011, 12:50 AM
The list keeps growing with no end in site, and their rules keep narrowing!:D


The shit that keeps on being posted is quite funny. :D

NJCardFan
01-09-2011, 12:52 AM
I can't believe they still think Joe Stack was a conservative. :rolleyes:

But since they asked...

Josef Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao Zedong


Shall I go on?

SarasotaRepub
01-09-2011, 01:26 AM
I can't believe they still think Joe Stack was a conservative. :rolleyes:

But since they asked...

Josef Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao Zedong


Shall I go on?


You do realize, on several levels, we're mocking them. Right??? :D

NJCardFan
01-09-2011, 01:45 AM
You do realize, on several levels, we're mocking them. Right??? :D

Um, yeah, but it's still funny how they don't think anyone of their values has ever killed anyone.

Carol
01-09-2011, 02:02 AM
There's lots of denial on that thread.

Someone will claim a person or group, and 2-4 others will say, "no way" and either lie about it, or present ONLY the information that indicates to them that the person was conservative and everyone else ignores it or says, in effect, "why, you're right. See how non violent and good we are." They are quite delusional.

asdf2231
01-09-2011, 04:16 AM
I guess it's pretty telling that they dont count millions of unborn children killed by lefty abortion enablers.

linda22003
01-09-2011, 08:31 AM
I guess it's pretty telling that they dont count millions of unborn children killed by lefty abortion enablers.

Well, for one thing, the law doesn't count it.
And sure, no conservative woman has EVER gotten an abortion. Every one of them was a lefty. :rolleyes:

malloc
01-09-2011, 08:40 AM
Damn, I have a hat full of billions and billions. Should I organize them by hunger, exposure or dissent to the party? Man it's so hard to choose how to present the left's dead bodies back to the people who want to kill them again.

Sonnabend
01-09-2011, 08:42 AM
Pol Pot
Mao
Kim Jong Il
Kim Il Sung
All Russian Premiers
Chavez
Castro

PoliCon
01-09-2011, 09:11 AM
Damn, I have a hat full of billions and billions. Should I organize them by hunger, exposure or dissent to the party? Man it's so hard to choose how to present the left's dead bodies back to the people who want to kill them again.

Won't work. They'll just keep moving the goalposts. :rolleyes:

movie buff
01-09-2011, 09:13 AM
Off the top of my head, and limiting it to just American run- of- the- mill psychos who actually killed people (Thus excluding radical leftists in other countries, leftist dictators, and those who merely used threats and physical attacks but didn't actually kill anyone, such as James Jay Lee and the Anarchist psychos who plotted to attack/ bomb the 2008 RNC):
1. The pro- choice fanatic who murdered pro- life minister/ talk show host Jerry Simon (The killer's name escapes me)
2. Ted Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber (Ultra- liberal ecoterrorist).
3. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, aka the Columbine shooters (They would have fit right in at DU, based on their stances and writings).
4. The Virginia Tech shooter (Ditto).
5. Matthew Murray, who shot up a church in Denver in December of 2007 (Hated Christians with a passion, and was openly gay. His rants posted right before his rampage also looked exactly like something you might read on a typical DU thread. The DUmmies portrayed him as a hero, and portrayed his victims as a bunch of evil fundies who all got what they deserved).
6. Joseph Stack.

Constitutionally Speaking
01-09-2011, 09:15 AM
Just to point out how detatched from reality and to what lengths the DUmmies will go to deny left wing culpability in acts of violence and at the same time how QUICK they jump to conclusions regarding supposed right wing acts, I present the following excerpts from the writings of the perpetrators themselves, and their known associations etc.


Joe Stack ( the guy who flew a small plane into the IRS building):


Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

<SNIP>

The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2#ixzz1AXkZHNvs


The ONLY thing remotely right wing about him was he was frustrated with the tax code - AND THEN it was in the context that big corporations didn't have to pay!!!!



Jim Jones - Member of the Communist Party USA, head of a COMMUNE!



He attended Indiana University at Bloomington, where a speech by Eleanor Roosevelt about the plight of African Americans impressed him.[10] Jones' sympathetic statements about communism offended Marceline's grandmother

In 1951, Jones became a member of the Communist Party USA, and began attending meetings and rallies in Indianapolis.[12] He became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings,[12] particularly regarding an event he attended with his mother focusing on Paul Robeson, after which she was harassed by the FBI in front of her co-workers for attending.[13] He also became frustrated with what he perceived to be ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[14] This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself "how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."

<SNIP>

In 1960, Indianapolis Democratic Mayor Charles Boswell appointed Jones director of the Human Rights Commission.[16] Jones ignored Boswell's advice to keep a low profile, finding new outlets for his views on local radio and television programs.[16] When the mayor and other commissioners asked Jones to curtail his public actions, he resisted and was wildly cheered at a meeting of the NAACP and Urban League when he yelled for his audience to be more militant, and climaxed with "Let my people go!"[17]

<SNIP>

After Jones' return to Indiana from Brazil, in 1965, Jones claimed that the world would be engulfed in a nuclear war on July 15, 1967, that would then create a new socialist Eden on earth, and that the Temple must move to Northern California for safety.[12][36] Accordingly, the Temple began moving to Redwood Valley, California, near Ukiah.[12]

While Jones always spoke of the social gospel's virtues, before the late 1960s Jones chose to conceal that his gospel was actually communism.[12] By the late 1960s, Jones began at least partially openly revealing in Temple sermons his "Apostolic Socialism" concept.[12] Specifically, "those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment — socialism."[37] Jones often mixed those concepts, such as preaching that "If you're born in capitalist America, racist America, fascist America, then you're born in sin. But if you're born in socialism, you're not born in sin."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones


Yet HE is not a leftist!

Ted Kaczynski (the unibomber)

Complete anti-capitalist child prodigy who's manifesto reads as a gripe list against American free enterprise - read the entire manfesto here:

http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt



Lee Harvey Oswald

Communist - even emigrated to communist Russia - I don't even think I need to post links on this one. If you cannot admit he was a leftist, then NOTHING will EVER convince you of that fact, and you are completely detached from reality.


James von Brunn


A review of his lengthy associations reveals Von Brunn hardly fits the stereotype of a Religious Right, GOP precinct captain. He denounced the Christian faith as a dastardly Jewish conspiracy, a ‘HOAX’ invented by the Apostle Paul to ‘DESTROY ROMAN CULTURE’ from within by undermining its pagan virility. (All screaming capitalization and grammatical errors in this piece appear in the original.) Like others on the racist fringe, the shooter proclaimed clearly: ‘SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West.’


Hell, just read his own words that are quoted and analyzed here:



http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35192






Amy Bishop - the college professor that killed a bunch of faculty members a year or so ago.


A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was “obsessed” with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.


Students on the "rate my professor" web site mentioned she is a socialist who openly says so

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1232943&format&page=1&listingType=Loc

http://gentlyhewstone.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/bishop.jpg

m00
01-09-2011, 10:09 AM
Ok, who and when was the last person who could be considered left wing killed people?

Howabout the vast majority of inner city crime. Do they honestly think gangbangers and crack addicts and welfare recipients are right wing?

NJCardFan
01-09-2011, 10:14 AM
Ok, who and when was the last person who could be considered left wing killed people?

Howabout the vast majority of inner city crime. Do they honestly think gangbangers and crack addicts and welfare recipients are right wing?

They'd find a way to spin it that way, mark my words. But their argument is based on politically motivated acts of violence. But they're so delusional that they'd find a way to say that Sqeaky Fromme was a right winger.

Calypso Jones
01-09-2011, 10:17 AM
don't forget the tried and faills. John Mark something or other who shot Reagan and Brady.

George Wallace's shooter. Jim Jones' people shot that congressman.

Maybe leftists should recognize that their own views give a go ahead to those of their own persuasion who want to take matters into their own hands. That's what they preach. Listen to Olberman and Schultz for instance.

NJCardFan
01-09-2011, 10:20 AM
don't forget the tried and faills. John Mark something or other who shot Reagan and Brady.

George Wallace's shooter. Jim Jones' people shot that congressman.

Maybe leftists should recognize that their own views give a go ahead to those of their own persuasion who want to take matters into their own hands. That's what they preach. Listen to Olberman and Schultz for instance.

That would be John Hinkley but he was just a loon and his shooting Reagan was to impress a girl, it was not politically motivated.

m00
01-09-2011, 10:20 AM
They'd find a way to spin it that way, mark my words. But their argument is based on politically motivated acts of violence. But they're so delusional that they'd find a way to say that Sqeaky Fromme was a right winger.

So what do you think the ratio is of rightwingers-to-leftwingers amongst people in prison for murder or manslaughter, or gross negligence resulting in a death.

Wei Wu Wei
01-09-2011, 10:40 AM
So what do you think the ratio is of rightwingers-to-leftwingers amongst people in prison for murder or manslaughter, or gross negligence resulting in a death.

i'm gonna guess most drug-slinging inner-city gangbangers are functionally illiterate, and therefore apolitical. i used to live in the projects growing up and trust me there weren't any reading groups analyzing Marx or community organizations concerning labor issues.

Wei Wu Wei
01-09-2011, 10:42 AM
that's like calling some midwestern redneck high school dropout who mixes meth in his bathtub a "right-winger", just because he has a confederate flag on his truck even though he has no clue what supply-side economics is

Constitutionally Speaking
01-09-2011, 10:43 AM
i'm gonna guess most drug-slinging inner-city gangbangers are functionally illiterate, and therefore apolitical. i used to live in the projects growing up and trust me there weren't any reading groups analyzing Marx or community organizations concerning labor issues.


Probably not, but I'm sure a WHOLE LOT of them approve of Obama and listen to preachers like Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and buy into the whole "white man keeping the black man down" meme.

Wei Wu Wei
01-09-2011, 10:47 AM
it looks like there's a little too much effort both on DU and here to try to pin the actions of people in a political light.

some people's actions are political, even though their politics are stupid as hell and they are simply bordering on a mental breakdown grasping for anything to give their lives a sense of cohesion and meaning. these are people like joe stack, the oklahoma city bomber, ect. these people can actually explain their ideas in a way that approaches recognition in other people. they are crazy in their choice of actions, but their rationality is working. in fact, these type of people often have very strong rational apperatuses, but how they relate to that is so off that they feel compelled to carry their twisted (yet internally consistent) logic to it's fateful end. this is rationality broken free of the restraints of reality.

this guy from yesterday, he was straight up insane. not "whoa that's crazy bro" insane, but actual psychotic slippage, these people have a slipping relationship between Signifier and Signified, their very speech is totally inaccessable to other people. their words aren't even words in the sense that we know them, they can be commands, they can be divine revelation, they can be a waking dream, the possibilities truley are beyond the comprehension of a sane person. these people are beyond rationality, the very fundamental aspects of language that structure reality are giving way here.

Wei Wu Wei
01-09-2011, 10:53 AM
Probably not, but I'm sure a WHOLE LOT of them approve of Obama and listen to preachers like Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and buy into the whole "white man keeping the black man down" meme.

there are legitimate political movements concerning racial issues, (the old black panthers during the civil rights movement, ect), but stripping all of the context and meaning from these issues takes away the "leftist" stripe. there's nothing liberal or leftist about "blame the white man", standing alone and without context, no that's just racism.

there are legitimate contexts to talk about racial problems, including acknowledgment of racial antagonisms and the brutal history of race relations and how they are significant today, but to take one aspect of this and strip it of all contexts makes it no longer political, and no longer leftist.

this is like saying the grumpy old man down the street who scares all the children and constantly mumbles stuff about "killing commies" is a legitimate conservative. having an insane hatred for 'commies', without any political or economic context, doesn't make one a conservative, it just makes one a disgruntled idiot.

there is so much eagerness to place all the whackos on the other side of the fence, it really makes it harder and harder to break yourself out of your own preconceptions.

NJCardFan
01-09-2011, 11:13 AM
there are legitimate political movements concerning racial issues, (the old black panthers during the civil rights movement, ect), but stripping all of the context and meaning from these issues takes away the "leftist" stripe. there's nothing liberal or leftist about "blame the white man", standing alone and without context, no that's just racism.

there are legitimate contexts to talk about racial problems, including acknowledgment of racial antagonisms and the brutal history of race relations and how they are significant today, but to take one aspect of this and strip it of all contexts makes it no longer political, and no longer leftist.

this is like saying the grumpy old man down the street who scares all the children and constantly mumbles stuff about "killing commies" is a legitimate conservative. having an insane hatred for 'commies', without any political or economic context, doesn't make one a conservative, it just makes one a disgruntled idiot.

there is so much eagerness to place all the whackos on the other side of the fence, it really makes it harder and harder to break yourself out of your own preconceptions.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it you who mockingly stated the following...

those darn demoCRAPS!
Practice what you preach much?

Calypso Jones
01-09-2011, 11:41 AM
So what do you think the ratio is of rightwingers-to-leftwingers amongst people in prison for murder or manslaughter, or gross negligence resulting in a death.

now wouldn't that be a delightful study for the left to take on.

if most prison inmates are right wingers though, why would the left be so interested in getting them the right to vote?

AmPat
01-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Well, for one thing, the law doesn't count it.
And sure, no conservative woman has EVER gotten an abortion. Every one of them was a lefty. :rolleyes:

There is a wide gulf between this "legality" and what is right. Nevertheless, this is a "lefty" ideology and as such the posters who claim that abortions are lefty deaths are correct.

Yes, Conservatives have had abortions. That means they have partaken of a leftist supported and encouraged law. :cool:

movie buff
01-09-2011, 02:13 PM
don't forget the tried and faills. John Mark something or other who shot Reagan and Brady.

George Wallace's shooter. Jim Jones' people shot that congressman.

Maybe leftists should recognize that their own views give a go ahead to those of their own persuasion who want to take matters into their own hands. That's what they preach. Listen to Olberman and Schultz for instance.

As I pointed out, my list I gave excluded the tried and fails, since the DU post apparently focuses on those who actually killed people. Tried and fails among liberal psychos are innumerable, such as James Jay Lee (Environmental fanatic who took people hostage in the Discovery Channel building), whoever it was that tried to burn down Sarah Palin's church in December of 2008, the Anarchist psychos at the 2008 RNC (Some of the plots made by the various Anarchist groups included planning to attack the cops with Molotovs, plant a bomb in the convention center, and kidnap delegates, plus the ones who dropped bags of concrete onto the delegate buses from atop overpasses also count, since that could be deemed attempted murder), and the countless foiled plans by ecoterrorist groups to bomb or burn various buildings which they deem as harmful to the environment and personally target the families of people who work for companies involved with animal testing.

Calypso Jones
01-09-2011, 04:15 PM
I can understand that. But let's use the trieds and fails to beat them over the heads with an abundance of evidence.

Constitutionally Speaking
01-09-2011, 05:12 PM
there are legitimate political movements concerning racial issues, (the old black panthers during the civil rights movement, ect), but stripping all of the context and meaning from these issues takes away the "leftist" stripe. there's nothing liberal or leftist about "blame the white man", standing alone and without context, no that's just racism.


Except that this generally has grown out of the socialist movements and the Communists who planted these memes in the general psyche. It is the reason "black liberation theology" is nothing more than communism tailored to foment racial strife.

asdf2231
01-09-2011, 07:24 PM
Well, for one thing, the law doesn't count it.
And sure, no conservative woman has EVER gotten an abortion. Every one of them was a lefty. :rolleyes:

Didn't say they were. Didn't specify whether I was talking about individuals seeking them out or left wing "Help" organizations funnelling the business to abortion providers.

So consider me impressed at your oh so dry sarcastic rejoinder there.

I appreciate you descending from the heights from mount douchebag there in nouveau riche Virginia horsey country to school me so.

SarasotaRepub
01-09-2011, 07:42 PM
Didn't say they were. Didn't specify whether I was talking about individuals seeking them out or left wing "Help" organizations funnelling the business to abortion providers.

So consider me impressed at your oh so dry sarcastic rejoinder there.

I appreciate you descending from the heights from mount douchebag there in nouveau riche Virginia horsey country to school me so.


LOL!!!! :D

PoliCon
01-09-2011, 11:44 PM
i'm gonna guess most drug-slinging inner-city gangbangers are functionally illiterate, and therefore apolitical. i used to live in the projects growing up and trust me there weren't any reading groups analyzing Marx or community organizations concerning labor issues.

They might not be reading Marx - but they for sure bitch when they don't get their gubament checks.

noonwitch
01-10-2011, 10:03 AM
Crazy people are crazy people, and there are plenty who align themselves with either party or side.


The guy is likely a schizophrenic. He either had delusions about persecution by the government, and she was his representative, or he loved her and thought she had rejected him (a different kind of delusion), and killed her for that reason.

Novaheart
01-10-2011, 10:17 AM
i'm gonna guess most drug-slinging inner-city gangbangers are functionally illiterate, and therefore apolitical. i used to live in the projects growing up and trust me there weren't any reading groups analyzing Marx or community organizations concerning labor issues.

You don't visit You Tube do you?

Pick an emotional crime or street level issue, and look for it on YT.

They was everywhere, I knew cause I seen them.

Adam Wood
01-10-2011, 10:32 AM
i'm gonna guess most drug-slinging inner-city gangbangers are functionally illiterate, and therefore apolitical. i used to live in the projects growing up and trust me there weren't any reading groups analyzing Marx or community organizations concerning labor issues.You weren't paying much attention during the '08 election, were you? I can't even count how many drug-dealing, gang-banging, drive-by-shooting thugs I saw wearing one form of "Obama" T-shirt or another. Hell, I can go down to night court tonight and I can guarantee you that I'll see at least ten people brought in with their pants around their knees, gold grilles, and some form of Obama either T-shirt or cap on.

Bailey
01-10-2011, 10:47 AM
You weren't paying much attention during the '08 election, were you? I can't even count how many drug-dealing, gang-banging, drive-by-shooting thugs I saw wearing one form of "Obama" T-shirt or another. Hell, I can go down to night court tonight and I can guarantee you that I'll see at least ten people brought in with their pants around their knees, gold grilles, and some form of Obama either T-shirt or cap on.

Saw a large poster of mug shots of people wearing Obama t-shirts: D

NJCardFan
01-10-2011, 11:12 AM
Saw a large poster of mug shots of people wearing Obama t-shirts: D

How about the ones who wear Obama t-shirts that say "my president"? That's because with a majority of these people, it's color over everything.

Molon Labe
01-10-2011, 11:16 AM
Wasn't the dude who flew his plane into the building last year a Democrat?

noonwitch
01-10-2011, 11:33 AM
I'd leave Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot out, and stick with the american left, unless the DUers are using the atrocities committed by Hitler, Mussolini and General Franco to justify their position.


The Weather people are just one group. The SLA, who kidnapped Patty Hearst and got in a shoot-out with LAPD were on the left. Jim Jones/People's Temple were leftists, and there were plenty of members murdered because they wouldn't drink the Koolaid. Literally.


It's hard with the lone wack jobs, to give them political labels. Everybody on the left wants them to be the next Timothy McVeigh. Everyone on the right hopes they end up being some kind of commie or muslim. But really, they are just crazies.

Zathras
01-10-2011, 01:14 PM
You weren't paying much attention during the '08 election, were you? I can't even count how many drug-dealing, gang-banging, drive-by-shooting thugs I saw wearing one form of "Obama" T-shirt or another. Hell, I can go down to night court tonight and I can guarantee you that I'll see at least ten people brought in with their pants around their knees, gold grilles, and some form of Obama either T-shirt or cap on.

I agree with that, especially in places like Oakland here in the Bay Area....so to answer the DUmmys question the last time leftists murdered someone was Saturday Feb. 8th since that was the last murder reported in that city

Adam Wood
01-10-2011, 01:16 PM
Wasn't the dude who flew his plane into the building last year a Democrat?No sure if that was ever definitely confirmed or not, but he was decidedly to the Left.

Same with the guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum.

AmPat
01-10-2011, 02:45 PM
Crazy people are crazy people, and there are plenty who align themselves with either party or side.


The guy is likely a schizophrenic. He either had delusions about persecution by the government, and she was his representative, or he loved her and thought she had rejected him (a different kind of delusion), and killed her for that reason.
You are correct.
Why then does the left and the Circus Media always run full steam ahead to paint EVERY one of these events as Right Wing?
Why did the Circus Media try SO hard to portray Nidal Hassan as a lone crazy?
Why doesn't the LEFT Wing (read as DIMWIToRAT party) come out and demand their liberal media stop politicizing these events?

I'm wondering, do you not see the double standard or do you just choose to ignore it?

linda22003
01-10-2011, 02:55 PM
Yes, Conservatives have had abortions. That means they have partaken of a leftist supported and encouraged law. :cool:

Which certainly came in handy when they "needed" it. :cool:

AmPat
01-10-2011, 03:02 PM
Which certainly came in handy when they "needed" it. :cool:

"Needed?" :rolleyes: Did they wake up one day and realize, "oh crap, I think I'm pregnant?" What happened to the great liberal selling point for abortion? You remember, the abortion should be rare for medical and rape cases? I guess the obvious lie can only be exposed through history? Give me a break.

linda22003
01-10-2011, 03:59 PM
Why do you think I put it in quotes?

FDK
01-10-2011, 04:57 PM
No sure if that was ever definitely confirmed or not, but he was decidedly to the Left.

Same with the guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum.

It sounds more like he was a disaffected loner with mental issues.

AmPat
01-10-2011, 06:40 PM
Why do you think I put it in quotes?

My apologies ma'am.:o

noonwitch
01-11-2011, 08:45 AM
You are correct.
Why then does the left and the Circus Media always run full steam ahead to paint EVERY one of these events as Right Wing?
Why did the Circus Media try SO hard to portray Nidal Hassan as a lone crazy?
Why doesn't the LEFT Wing (read as DIMWIToRAT party) come out and demand their liberal media stop politicizing these events?

I'm wondering, do you not see the double standard or do you just choose to ignore it?



I didn't catch the story on this one until Sunday morning. I don't understand why the focus hasn't been on the fact that this guy is crazy, not on politics. I don't like Sarah Palin, and didn't particularly like her putting targets on various districts on her map thingee, but it's not her fault that this happened. The argument about angry political rhetoric is separate from this event. But I would guess Sarah Palin felt badly when the congresswoman got shot-the way my brother did on the day after John Lennon died and he went on a rant about how the radio station wouldn't stop playing Lennon's music "did he die or something?", then the announcer said that Lennon had been shot.

I don't think that the democrats really have the power to stop the media from being stupid. Nobody really does. It's not like the president or Nancy Pelosi can just call up the head of NBC and tell them to change their coverage. Obama may be able to address it somewhat in a speech and maybe shame them, but that's about it. They pretty much jumped on the words of the Sheriff and went with it, before anyone had released any information on the suspect.

Adam Wood
01-11-2011, 09:52 AM
I didn't catch the story on this one until Sunday morning. I don't understand why the focus hasn't been on the fact that this guy is crazy, not on politics. I don't like Sarah Palin, and didn't particularly like her putting targets on various districts on her map thingee, but it's not her fault that this happened. The argument about angry political rhetoric is separate from this event. But I would guess Sarah Palin felt badly when the congresswoman got shot-the way my brother did on the day after John Lennon died and he went on a rant about how the radio station wouldn't stop playing Lennon's music "did he die or something?", then the announcer said that Lennon had been shot.

I don't think that the democrats really have the power to stop the media from being stupid. Nobody really does. It's not like the president or Nancy Pelosi can just call up the head of NBC and tell them to change their coverage. Obama may be able to address it somewhat in a speech and maybe shame them, but that's about it. They pretty much jumped on the words of the Sheriff and went with it, before anyone had released any information on the suspect.The problem here is that it's the Democrats themselves who are the ones being stupid (and hypocritical to the nth degree). This sheriff in Pima County wasted no time whatsoever in spouting off his "dangerous rhetoric" and "everybody here is a racist" BS before this poor woman was even out of surgery. Elected Democrats from all over were parachuting into television coverage to immediately lay blame with the racist teabaggers who are angry (as if it's somehow suddenly illegal, immoral, or somehow just not OK to be angry as a citizen of this country any more). This was all that every Sunday talk show was about: the "dangerous rhetoric" that has "taken over" the country. It wasn't "dangerous rhetoric" when Democrats were calling US service members "Nazis" and "murderers" on the Congressional floor, but somehow Sarah Palin's PAC "targeting" this district for a win in November automatically caused some deranged kook to go out there and open fire on a bunch of people in a shopping center.

And, now that it has come out that not only was there pretty much no possible way that this guy was in any way influenced by any sort of TEA Party ideology or rhetoric, nor that he could have been somehow motivated by Sarah Palin, and indeed the guy, by all available accounts, is a Leftist kook, not one single left-wing shithead who pushed this meme for their own personal political aggrandizement has bothered to apologize to the majority of the country upon whom they just took a gigantic shit.

Lager
01-11-2011, 10:21 AM
It's simply astounding that libs believe a political map with cross hairs -- a map which very few people have seen because frankly, there's just not that many people as obsessed with politcs as they are -- can easily inspire one to violent criminal acts.
Yet, there's a popular form of music that's listened to by several million young people on a daily basis, which has always glorified violence and criminal activity. However anyone who raises a concern about it, is easily dismissed as being reactionary and out of touch.

They believe a toy sold with a hamburger advertised by a clown can cause people to lose all self control, and eat themselves into a frenzy of obesity. Yet the growing amount of vapid and casual sex and gratuitous violence that virtually saturates all forms of media in our society is of no concern to them. Seems kind of schizophrenic.

AmPat
01-11-2011, 11:10 AM
It's simply astounding that libs believe a political map with cross hairs -- a map which very few people have seen because frankly, there's just not that many people as obsessed with politcs as they are -- can easily inspire one to violent criminal acts.
Yet, there's a popular form of music that's listened to by several million young people on a daily basis, which has always glorified violence and criminal activity. However anyone who raises a concern about it, is easily dismissed as being reactionary and out of touch.

They believe a toy sold with a hamburger advertised by a clown can cause people to lose all self control, and eat themselves into a frenzy of obesity. Yet the growing amount of vapid and casual sex and gratuitous violence that virtually saturates all forms of media in our society is of no concern to them. Seems kind of schizophrenic.

Good post. Selective (political) indignation liberal style.

NJCardFan
01-11-2011, 11:53 AM
It's simply astounding that libs believe a political map with cross hairs -- a map which very few people have seen because frankly, there's just not that many people as obsessed with politcs as they are -- can easily inspire one to violent criminal acts.
Yet, there's a popular form of music that's listened to by several million young people on a daily basis, which has always glorified violence and criminal activity. However anyone who raises a concern about it, is easily dismissed as being reactionary and out of touch.

They believe a toy sold with a hamburger advertised by a clown can cause people to lose all self control, and eat themselves into a frenzy of obesity. Yet the growing amount of vapid and casual sex and gratuitous violence that virtually saturates all forms of media in our society is of no concern to them. Seems kind of schizophrenic.
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