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megimoo
01-14-2011, 12:07 AM
Arizona law allows any U.S. citizen 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

“The kind of gun laws we have here in California that give people their gun ownership rights while also preventing the sale of guns to criminals, to people with serious mental illness and people who may abuse a spouse or partner,” said the California Democrat at a press conference in Riverside.


http://totalbuzz.ocregister.com/2011/01/11/sen-boxer-calls-for-more-federal-gun-control/47302/

NJCardFan
01-14-2011, 12:28 AM
Arizona law allows any U.S. citizen 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

“The kind of gun laws we have here in California that give people their gun ownership rights while also preventing the sale of guns to criminals, to people with serious mental illness and people who may abuse a spouse or partner,” said the California Democrat at a press conference in Riverside.


http://totalbuzz.ocregister.com/2011/01/11/sen-boxer-calls-for-more-federal-gun-control/47302/

Yeah, this is why California is lousy with street gangs because criminals, people with serious mental illness, and people who may abuse a spouse or partner can't get guns. :rolleyes: Talk about a woman who has no clue what goes on in her own state.

PoliCon
01-14-2011, 01:01 AM
She needs to start with her partner from California.

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/0912/anti-gun-politicians-anti-gun-politicians-democrat-republica-political-poster-1260457403.jpg

PoliCon
01-14-2011, 01:04 AM
This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our Streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!

I wonder if Ms. Boxer knows who uttered the above quotation. . . .

NJCardFan
01-14-2011, 01:32 AM
I wonder if Ms. Boxer knows who uttered the above quotation. . . .

My guess is a guy who looks strangely like this:

http://members.tripod.com/thethreestooges_3/moronica/hailstone_portrait.jpg

malloc
01-14-2011, 07:41 AM
Arizona law allows any U.S. citizen 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

“The kind of gun laws we have here in California that give people their gun ownership rights while also preventing the sale of guns to criminals, to people with serious mental illness and people who may abuse a spouse or partner,” said the California Democrat at a press conference in Riverside.


What a crock of B.S. Arizona allows any citizen who is legally allowed to own a firearm to carry the firearm concealed. Criminals, people with mental illness, and people with domestic violence records are not legally allowed to own firearms. These libtards don't even understand laws which are published on the internet for all to read, yet they believe they are some sort of ruling class?


that give people their gun ownership rights

Typical statist misunderstanding of natural rights. Laws to not grant natural rights, should protect natural rights.

FBIGuy
01-14-2011, 07:54 AM
Barbara should really worry more about the misuse of guns in her own back yard before she starts cleaning up her neighbors' yards.

PoliCon
01-14-2011, 08:01 AM
My guess is a guy who looks strangely like this:

http://members.tripod.com/thethreestooges_3/moronica/hailstone_portrait.jpg
He looks like tripod?? :eek:

Rockntractor
01-14-2011, 08:31 AM
He looks like tripod?? :eek:

Interesting! Three legs.

noonwitch
01-14-2011, 08:36 AM
Gun control isn't going to work.

I am all for ways to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people like the Tuscon shooter. I think that can be done without taking guns away from the sane and law abiding. When the school expelled him and the Sheriff's office was notified about some of his behavior, something should have been done, like an involuntary commitment. The Baker act gives the courts the ability to hospitalize someone if he or she presents a risk to himself or others, but someone (police or family) still has to initiate the proceedings.

SaintLouieWoman
01-14-2011, 08:59 AM
Gun control isn't going to work.

I am all for ways to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people like the Tuscon shooter. I think that can be done without taking guns away from the sane and law abiding. When the school expelled him and the Sheriff's office was notified about some of his behavior, something should have been done, like an involuntary commitment. The Baker act gives the courts the ability to hospitalize someone if he or she presents a risk to himself or others, but someone (police or family) still has to initiate the proceedings.

The problem is the parents were probably afraid of him. He's just another one lost to the system.

Yukon
01-14-2011, 10:40 AM
Hand guns should be banned outright. If you think that everyone having a gun will make you safer than you really are hopeless and as crazy as the AZ shooter..

Bailey
01-14-2011, 10:43 AM
Hand guns should be banned outright. If you think that everyone having a gun will make you safer than you really are hopeless and as crazy as the AZ shooter..

Yes the criminals will just turn there guns in :rolleyes:

Yukon
01-14-2011, 10:44 AM
Yes the criminals will just turn there guns in :rolleyes:

Is that the best you can come up with? The NRA brainwashed masses have been using that reason for years. Try something a little more up-to-date.

Bailey
01-14-2011, 10:46 AM
Is that the best you can come up with? The NRA brainwashed masses have been using that reason for years. Try something a little more up-to-date.

Truth is the truth...

Apache
01-14-2011, 10:49 AM
“Now I’m not saying that these sensible gun laws would have stopped this killer,So she acknowleges the fact that another 'gun law' had no chance of stopping this guy... but I do know this: It should not be easy for a killer to obtain a weapon umm...whaa????

Apache
01-14-2011, 10:52 AM
Hand guns should be banned outright.Oh yes, because you pee your pant in the very presence of one. You don't like them? Don't get one! If you think that everyone having a gun will make you safer than you really are hopeless and as crazy as the AZ shooter..Despite stats that show the oppposite....:rolleyes:

NJCardFan
01-14-2011, 10:53 AM
Hand guns should be banned outright. If you think that everyone having a gun will make you safer than you really are hopeless and as crazy as the AZ shooter..

OK, I gave you the benefit of the doubt in one thread, not going to happen here. Let me ask you something, genius. Ever wonder why mass shootings like this happen at supermarkets, shopping malls, schools, college campuses, and the like? Because those shooters choose the path of least resistance. Answer me this. Why do we never hear of anything like this happening at Sturgis? Or a biker bar? Or NRA convention? Or gun show? Also, you can ban every handgun on the planet right now. Do you honestly believe that that will make us all safer? Let's play a little game. Here are 2 houses:

http://www.themoxiemomblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Redneck-Truisms-007a.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3293693038_c74e7dc4ef.jpg

Now, of these 2 houses, which one do you think is more apt to be burglarized? House #2, right? And why? Because most likely, in house #1, that's where a gun lives. So, you go ahead and not own a gun. It's your right. I'll continue to own one here. Because that's my right. And is someone should break into one of our houses, you retreat and allow the perp access to all of your stuff. I'd rather break out the Formula 409 to clean the blood splatter off my walls.

Apache
01-14-2011, 10:56 AM
Is that the best you can come up with? The NRA brainwashed masses have been using that reason for years. Try something a little more up-to-date.

Now Sarah, just because you can't get other people's rights yanked away by a tired, yet factual statement, doesn't mean you should stop trying, right?


Why don't you tell us the real reason you want firearms banned?

noonwitch
01-14-2011, 11:10 AM
OK, I gave you the benefit of the doubt in one thread, not going to happen here. Let me ask you something, genius. Ever wonder why mass shootings like this happen at supermarkets, shopping malls, schools, college campuses, and the like? Because those shooters choose the path of least resistance. Answer me this. Why do we never hear of anything like this happening at Sturgis? Or a biker bar? Or NRA convention? Or gun show? Also, you can ban every handgun on the planet right now. Do you honestly believe that that will make us all safer? Let's play a little game. Here are 2 houses:

http://www.themoxiemomblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Redneck-Truisms-007a.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3293693038_c74e7dc4ef.jpg

Now, of these 2 houses, which one do you think is more apt to be burglarized? House #2, right? And why? Because most likely, in house #1, that's where a gun lives. So, you go ahead and not own a gun. It's your right. I'll continue to own one here. Because that's my right. And is someone should break into one of our houses, you retreat and allow the perp access to all of your stuff. I'd rather break out the Formula 409 to clean the blood splatter off my walls.



The second one probably has better stuff to steal than the first one.

I'd rather party with the people in the first house, though. They're probably more fun.

Apache
01-14-2011, 11:13 AM
I'd rather party with the people in the first house, though. They're probably more fun.

The tarp over the West wing is a dead giveaway to the types of parties they throw :D

FBIGuy
01-14-2011, 11:20 AM
Hand guns should be banned outright. If you think that everyone having a gun will make you safer than you really are hopeless and as crazy as the AZ shooter..


An armed robber was reportedly shot in self defense by his would-be victim

Police say that a man was in a parked car, on the 5400 block of Riverview Blvd in St. Louis, MO just after 10 PM when a robber drove up, got out of his own vehicle, approached the parked car on foot, and brandished a handgun. The victim reportedly drew his own gun and fired in self defense, striking the robber in the arms and chest, and ending the attack. The robber is said to have fled a short distance through an alley, before collapsing in front of a home. Police arrived to find a suspect, who was taken to a local hospital where he was listed in serious but stable condition, according to news reports.


Now was this man in his car safer with or without his hand gun?

Continued (http://www.examiner.com/self-defense-in-national/armed-robber-shot-by-his-would-be-victim)

Yukon
01-14-2011, 11:20 AM
Despite stats that show the oppposite....:rolleyes:

Produce the statistics?

FBIGuy
01-14-2011, 11:29 AM
Produce the statistics?


Happy too


According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.

Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection -- a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.)

In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first -- disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn't make any difference.

In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn't be called "newsworthy" by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to.

In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare -- well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.

In over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases. (No means of defense other than a firearm -- martial arts, pepper spray, or stun guns -- gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured when facing multiple attackers.)

In 79.7% of these gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occured in places away from the defender's home.



Read it here. (http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/stats.html)

Apache
01-14-2011, 11:29 AM
Produce the statistics?


Gun Ownership Rises to All-Time High,
Violent Crime Falls to 35-Year Low



Coinciding with a surge in gun purchases that began shortly before the 2008 elections, violent crime decreased six percent between 2008 and 2009, including an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine percent decrease in robbery.1 Since 1991, when violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent to a 35-year low. Murder has fallen 49 percent to a 45-year low.2 At the same time, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by about 90 million. Predictions by gun control supporters, that increasing the number of guns, particularly handguns and so-called “assault weapons,” would cause crime to increase, have been proven profoundly lacking in clairvoyance.4

Crimes per 100,000 population
Total Violent Crime









Aggravated Assault

Year
Murder
Rape
Robbery

1991
758.1
9.8
42.3
272.7
433.3

2008
457.5
5.4
29.7
145.7
276.7

2009
429.4
5.0
28.7
133.0
262.8

Trend, 2008-2009
-6%
-8%
-4%
-9%
-5%

Trend, 1991-2009
-43%
-49%
-32%
-51%
-39%



More here (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=206&issue=007)


Questions?

Yukon
01-14-2011, 11:40 AM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.

Apache
01-14-2011, 11:43 AM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.

So then, yours is a personal fear of inanimate objects ?

AmPat
01-14-2011, 11:46 AM
Is that the best you can come up with? The NRA brainwashed masses have been using that reason for years. Try something a little more up-to-date.

Prove the point Yuk. If criminals already violate the law, how is passing another going to get their compliance?
You do realize that shooting somebody is against the law right? That didn't prevent him from killing six people. Why don't we just strengthen the language against murder? That will surely do the trick. :rolleyes:

Yukon
01-14-2011, 11:47 AM
Actually I fear wack-jobs with a chip on their shoulder being able to purchase a handgun.

Rockntractor
01-14-2011, 11:49 AM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.

The fuel would be the cartridges, you can't even get your own analogy right.:rolleyes:

AmPat
01-14-2011, 11:49 AM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.

Wrong, as usual. The evidence is exactly the opposite. When the citizens are well armed, the criminals are less likely to face them. You do realize that violent crime is down dramatically while gun ownership is at an all time high?
Facts are useful thingys.:cool:

FBIGuy
01-14-2011, 11:49 AM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.

Why do you ask the question if you are not open to a change of mind?

Zafod
01-14-2011, 11:59 AM
Actually I fear wack-jobs with a chip on their shoulder being able to purchase a handgun.

what about a knife? Or a hammer?

What about a car?

AmPat
01-14-2011, 12:09 PM
what about a knife? Or a hammer?

What about a car?
Poison, piece of glass, sharpened steel, large rock???
All should be illegal!:mad:
What? Oh, they are if used as a weapon? :eek:My bad.

Liberals are really DUmb.
:rolleyes:

Apache
01-14-2011, 12:16 PM
Actually I fear wack-jobs with a chip on their shoulder being able to purchase a handgun.

So you actually fear people, not objects?

Zathras
01-14-2011, 02:56 PM
The second one probably has better stuff to steal than the first one.

I'd rather party with the people in the first house, though. They're probably more fun.

Have to agree with that. Putting the red Bug in the trees as Santa's sleigh is pretty cool.

Sonnabend
01-14-2011, 05:24 PM
Gun control has never worked.

Zathras
01-14-2011, 05:28 PM
Gun control has never worked.

Yes it has. I use both hands when I shoot....works like a charm. :D

Sadly it has worked...in countries such as Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Cuba and many other socialist/communist crap holes around the world.

AmPat
01-14-2011, 05:34 PM
Yes it has. I use both hands when I shoot....works like a charm. :D

Sadly it has worked...in countries such as Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Cuba and many other socialist/communist crap holes around the world.

Worked for the criminals (statists) who took the guns to ease their way into totalitarian control. Liberal lemmings like Yuck desire to be controlled so it isn't significant to them.

Tecate
01-14-2011, 05:38 PM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.
There's a name for what you believe... It's called victim disarmament.

You see, criminals have this really strange tendency to not follow the law.

NJCardFan
01-14-2011, 06:11 PM
what about a knife? Or a hammer?

What about a car?

Or an airplane?

In prison, inmates make weapons out of the strangest stuff. Deodorant containers. A pen with a nail or screw they find. Or plain old lock in a sock. We can't live our lives living in fear. If you're afraid of stuff that kills people, then you'd(Yukon) must petition the government to ban dihydrogen monoxide. After all, this substance is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than any gun could dream to have caused.http://www.petitiononline.com/h2o/petition.html

Sonnabend
01-14-2011, 07:56 PM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders).

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I live in a nation with nanny state gun laws and trust me, the crims have all the guns they ever want or need. A massive spate of shootings here recently, some of them involving, who else, MUSLIM criminals.

If you think it is hard for a crim to get his hands on a gun....you're an idiot.

Tecate
01-14-2011, 08:00 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I live in a nation with nanny state gun laws and trust me, the crims have all the guns they ever want or need. A massive spate of shootings here recently, some of them involving, who else, MUSLIM criminals.

If you think it is hard for a crim to get his hands on a gun....you're an idiot.
This is a concept that gun-grabbers simply cannot grasp.

Novaheart
01-14-2011, 08:05 PM
What a crock of B.S. Arizona allows any citizen who is legally allowed to own a firearm to carry the firearm concealed. Criminals, people with mental illness, and people with domestic violence records are not legally allowed to own firearms. These libtards don't even understand laws which are published on the internet for all to read, yet they believe they are some sort of ruling class?



Typical statist misunderstanding of natural rights. Laws to not grant natural rights, should protect natural rights.

That's not the only lie she's telling. Boxer cannot be unaware that in California your Second Amendment rights exist at the whim of your local sheriff. In other words, if you live in the eastern part of California, then you can get a carry permit, but if you live near the coast then you can only get one if you are a law enforcement officer or a politician.

The entire state of Maryland is equally in violation of the 2nd Amendment rights of citizens.

Novaheart
01-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Hand guns should be banned outright. If you think that everyone having a gun will make you safer than you really are hopeless and as crazy as the AZ shooter..

So you think that someone should be able to attack, beat, rob, or scare the hell out of anyone to whom he is physically superior?

How nice for you. I'll stick with my equalizer. See, isn't that great? I'm not forcing you to own or carry a gun. You can be as defenseless as you want. That's freedom.

Novaheart
01-14-2011, 08:23 PM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.

And that's what it is, a BELIEF. A belief is something which is taken on faith because there is no evidence of it.

fettpett
01-14-2011, 08:24 PM
That's not the only lie she's telling. Boxer cannot be unaware that in California your Second Amendment rights exist at the whim of your local sheriff. In other words, if you live in the eastern part of California, then you can get a carry permit, but if you live near the coast then you can only get one if you are a law enforcement officer or a politician.

The entire state of Maryland is equally in violation of the 2nd Amendment rights of citizens.

along with DC and Chicago in their arsine restrictions even after the Supreme Court overturned their laws. I'm glad that Michigan and Florida have made it easy for people to get them. Hopefully Wisconsin will follow suit this year and finally pass it since that dipshit Doyle is no longer Governor and can't veto it

PoliCon
01-15-2011, 12:56 AM
Hand guns should be banned outright. If you think that everyone having a gun will make you safer than you really are hopeless and as crazy as the AZ shooter..

it will. Oh sure the crime rate might go up short term until the gene pool is thinned out a little bit - but after that it will do like it always does - the crime rate will go down and go down significantly. So lets think about the benefits here . . . . thinned out gene pool . . . less crime. win/win if you ask me.

PoliCon
01-15-2011, 01:01 AM
Thank you my son. It doesnt change my belief that banning handguns will reduce violent crime (murders). Take away the fuel and the fire will go out.
right because banning guns cause the violent crime rate to drop in the UK right? I mean if they don't have guns - people can't kill each other right? OH WAIT. They turned to KNIVES when guns were taken away. Imagine that. (http://www.insight-security.com/facts-knife-crime-stats.htm)

PoliCon
01-15-2011, 01:03 AM
So then, yours is a personal fear of inanimate objects ?

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo290/mindyobeeznis/3560741819879.jpg

PoliCon
01-15-2011, 01:05 AM
Gun control has never worked.

Sure it does. Gun control is one of the chief ways that an oppressive government uses to suppress the masses.