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Madisonian
01-16-2011, 09:30 PM
It's not America, but Canada (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x211209)


The Straight Story
Sun Jan-16-11 11:30 AM
Original message
Panhandling proposal 'poor bashing'

Panhandling proposal 'poor bashing'

Ban won't address root causes of poverty, advocacy group says

Banning panhandling in large parts of Saskatoon would only "sweep the problem under the carpet," says a member of a local anti-poverty group.

"You can't be the pied piper and pipe all these people off to another area of town," said Vanessa Charles, past-chair of the Saskatoon Anti-Poverty Coalition, which was involved in the recent review of the panhandling bylaw.

"It's not right. It's poor-bashing. Unfortunately, panhandling is a fact of life for some people.

"Why don't we do something about the root causes of poverty instead of sweeping them under the carpet?"

A Saskatoon city council committee this week asked the city solicitor for a legal opinion on whether it was possible under the Constitution to amend the panhandling bylaw to ban the practise in large zones surrounding the downtown or extend a ban to include a defined distance from the doorways of businesses.

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/business/Panhandling+prop...
Doesn't this violate some sacred Skinner commandment...
"Thou shall not post anything negative about Canada"
Canada is after all the progressive Utopia with free health care, restrictive gun rights, government controlled press, human right's commissions and quasi-legal pot status.
Where all the progressives would move tomorrow if they could...
Find jobs
Stand the cold
Convince the government to let their loony asses in

Some are surprised...


Canuckistanian
2. Saskatoon? That's surprising

Saskatchewan is usually regarded as the most left-leaning province, with many NDP (socialist) Premiers over the decades.
It's also the home of Government Healthcare - Tommy Douglas was from Saskatchewan.
I hope this is just some local municipal assholes - I think they'll be voted out fast.Some are disruptive...

Joe the Revelator
4. There are programs in place that make panahandling unnecessary....
I should be able to stop for gas without having at least two people asking me for "gas" money. But something is still missing...

Wait...
Here it is...
You know it was coming...

bobbolink (Who is homeless if you did not know)
Response to Reply #9
13. Its very common. The problem is that homelessness isn't a "progressive" issue, so itls only
small bands of "advocates" who speak out.
When the rest of you take action, things will change.
Until then.............mean-spirited is the law of the land.and...

bobbolink
Response to Reply #6
12. That is very common now. What are "progressives" in your city doing to combat that?A good Samaritan chimes in...

Hippo_Tron
16. I've always found a great deal of economic logic in helping panhandlers

Lets say I have $5 to feed the homeless. I could either give it to somebody on the street or I could donate it to a charity that feeds the homeless. Now, if I give it to an individual he can likely get a good meal (or perhaps even two) with $5. On the other hand, I have yet to find a charity that will make a decision about how many people it is able to feed based on an additional $5. By giving my $5 to somebody on the street I know that it is going into the hands of somebody who needs it.

Now, my Republican friends will inevitably say "BUT BUT they're going to spend it on beer!!!" to which I usually respond "You don't know that and even if that's the case, I think everybody deserves a drink".But still not good enough for our never satisfied hobo...

bobbolink
Response to Reply #16
17. You're being waaaay too logical. It escapes most people.
Another factor... what "price" does a homeless person have to pay to get a meal from a "help" agency? Listening to a long, scolding sermon? Going through a demeaning process to find if they are "eligible"? Enduring a very unpleasant atmosphere while trying to eat, as opposed to eating in peace? There are many other aspects to this.

The end point, however, is that we MUST build a society of JUSTICE, where people have their needs met, rather than having a society of beggers.The injustice of it all.

NJCardFan
01-17-2011, 01:22 AM
When I lived in Tucson, I would see panhandlers all over the place. All they did was stand there holding signs. In 100+ degree heat. Hey, if it makes them happy.

SarasotaRepub
01-17-2011, 06:44 AM
If you gave bobbolink a condo in Boca (a nice one) she'd complain her "Quality of Life" was suffering because it wasn't a Penthouse...:D One of my favorite DUmmies.

Madisonian
01-17-2011, 10:17 AM
If you gave bobbolink a condo in Boca (a nice one) she'd complain her "Quality of Life" was suffering because it wasn't a Penthouse...:D One of my favorite DUmmies.

I was truly disappointed in her 4th place DOTY finish.
This year I am going to start campaigning early on her behalf and see if I can get her to first place where she belongs.;)

NJCardFan
01-17-2011, 12:24 PM
If you gave bobbolink a condo in Boca (a nice one) she'd complain her "Quality of Life" was suffering because it wasn't a Penthouse...:D One of my favorite DUmmies.

You mean like this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CfxSWwq8cVo/TRJT5Gh2FgI/AAAAAAAACY8/1h3KBaZSnLk/s640/Byte%2BMe.jpg

Adam Wood
01-17-2011, 04:13 PM
You mean like this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CfxSWwq8cVo/TRJT5Gh2FgI/AAAAAAAACY8/1h3KBaZSnLk/s640/Byte%2BMe.jpg

LMAO!