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megimoo
01-18-2011, 12:29 AM
It is astonishing that this case hasn't gotten more conservative attention (outside of the pages of the Washington Times), but today's Wash Times editorial again reminds people that the government actually claims it can hold hostage people's Social Security payments in order to FORCE those people to accept Medicare enrollment.

The Department of Health and Human Services insists an individual cannot forfeit Medicare eligibility and continue to collect Social Security benefits even after paying into the latter system over an entire career.

The plaintiffs have private insurance they consider superior to Medicare and are willing to allow the Treasury to keep the benefits they earned after having paid Medicare taxes for decades.

Everybody, including the American taxpayer, wins - except for bureaucrats, who don't want to be bothered to keep track of those who willingly forgo Medicare coverage....


http://spectator.org/blog/2011/01/17/mugged-by-medicare

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How is this not communism? We really at some point need a discussion about when we cross the line between capitalism and communism, and this seems like the case that draws that line. We are told that we can no longer be capitalist at 65 and MUST take the states plan, being then forced into communism.\
...............

Wei Wu Wei
01-18-2011, 01:12 PM
It is astonishing that this case hasn't gotten more conservative attention (outside of the pages of the Washington Times), but today's Wash Times editorial again reminds people that the government actually claims it can hold hostage people's Social Security payments in order to FORCE those people to accept Medicare enrollment.

The Department of Health and Human Services insists an individual cannot forfeit Medicare eligibility and continue to collect Social Security benefits even after paying into the latter system over an entire career.

The plaintiffs have private insurance they consider superior to Medicare and are willing to allow the Treasury to keep the benefits they earned after having paid Medicare taxes for decades.

Everybody, including the American taxpayer, wins - except for bureaucrats, who don't want to be bothered to keep track of those who willingly forgo Medicare coverage....


http://spectator.org/blog/2011/01/17/mugged-by-medicare


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How is this not communism?

Well to start, you don't know what communism is, so that makes it pretty easy.


We really at some point need a discussion about when we cross the line between capitalism and communism, and this seems like the case that draws that line.

For the love of God read something other than right wing blogs, like a book or something, on the topic, by people who actually consider themselves communist. Until then this is nothing but whiny baby crying.



We are told that we can no longer be capitalist at 65 and MUST take the states plan, being then forced into communism.\
...............

Is this sandwich communism? maybe that brown guy is communism! i don't like those dog breeds, they are communist. WAtch out bro I dont listen to that kind of music that's communist music. Electric cars? more like communism cars. Libraries? more like commy bookstores. that necktie looks suspiciously communist to me! someone close the front door before all the capitalism escapes!!!

txradioguy
01-18-2011, 01:18 PM
Well to start, you don't know what communism is, so that makes it pretty easy.



For the love of God read something other than right wing blogs, like a book or something, on the topic, by people who actually consider themselves communist. Until then this is nothing but whiny baby crying.




Is this sandwich communism? maybe that brown guy is communism! i don't like those dog breeds, they are communist. WAtch out bro I dont listen to that kind of music that's communist music. Electric cars? more like communism cars. Libraries? more like commy bookstores. that necktie looks suspiciously communist to me! someone close the front door before all the capitalism escapes!!!

She means Socialism. But you knew that.

And in the context that this Administration and the Democrat Party in general is pushing us farther and farther that direction....moo is spot on.

Wei Wu Wei
01-18-2011, 01:18 PM
No actually not.

Wei Wu Wei
01-18-2011, 01:20 PM
Confusing liberal capitalism with leftist socialism is the stupidist thing.

Liberal capitalism has the ultimate goal of protecting Capitalism, extending it's life, and being the "left border" of acceptable social progressivism without actually looking at Capitalism straight on as a source of problems.

Leftism or Socialism looks to replace Capitalism or or push back against it. Liberalism is more hated by socialists than Conservatism.

megimoo
01-18-2011, 02:16 PM
Confusing liberal capitalism with leftist socialism is the stupidist thing.

Liberal capitalism has the ultimate goal of protecting Capitalism, extending it's life, and being the "left border" of acceptable social progressivism without actually looking at Capitalism straight on as a source of problems.

Leftism or Socialism looks to replace Capitalism or or push back against it. Liberalism is more hated by socialists than Conservatism.You are the most amazingly presistent Idiot that has ever troubled us.Perhaps if we all put you on ignore you would fade away !

Wei Wu Wei
01-18-2011, 02:31 PM
lol good idea

megimoo
01-18-2011, 02:40 PM
lol good ideaNot for long if you wear out your welcome.Idiots are debated initially,rejected and tolerated for a short period but finally ignored by all .
There's no fun debating someone who's only purpose in life is to clog up the channels of interesting discourse with foolish, ignorant blather .

Wei Wu Wei
01-18-2011, 02:48 PM
Not for long if you wear out your welcome.Idiots are debated initially,rejected and tolerated for a short period but finally ignored by all .
There's no fun debating someone who's only purpose in life is to clog up the channels of interesting discourse with foolish, ignorant blather .

I replied to your thread elaborating on the difference between Liberalism and Socialism, and you responded with:


You are the most amazingly presistent Idiot that has ever troubled us.Perhaps if we all put you on ignore you would fade away !

I'm not the one posting "UR DUMB!" and pretending that it counts as "interesting discourse".

As you pointed out, there's an ignore button if you can't deal with it.

Wei Wu Wei
01-18-2011, 02:55 PM
On second thought, I take it back - you are dumb. There's nothing wrong with ignorance, but there is something wrong with ignorance being as vocal as you make it.

SaintLouieWoman
01-18-2011, 02:57 PM
Not for long if you wear out your welcome.Idiots are debated initially,rejected and tolerated for a short period but finally ignored by all .
There's no fun debating someone who's only purpose in life is to clog up the channels of interesting discourse with foolish, ignorant blather .

Put him on ignore if he bothers you so much.

linda22003
01-18-2011, 02:59 PM
There's no fun debating someone who's only purpose in life is to clog up the channels of interesting discourse with foolish, ignorant blather .

I love Irony in Action. :p

Novaheart
01-18-2011, 03:29 PM
Comments:
How is this not communism? We really at some point need a discussion about when we cross the line between capitalism and communism, and this seems like the case that draws that line. We are told that we can no longer be capitalist at 65 and MUST take the states plan, being then forced into communism.\
...............


I am not aware of any private insurance company which doesn't have a clause making its insurance secondary to any other you may have or being eligible for.

My United Healthcare policy clearly states that if I am Medicare eligible then Medicare is primary.

Novaheart
01-18-2011, 03:32 PM
Nelson Rockefeller complained that he had to get Social Security to get Medicare.

It's quite a different complaint.

Rockefeller thought it was ridiculous that someone of his means should get a Social Security check, but complained that he had to do it to get Medicare coverage, which of course he needed because his insurance company required him to sign up for Medicare when he became eligible.