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Jfor
01-19-2011, 08:15 PM
Wow... Can't believe I am the first one to post this.


House Republicans passed a bill to repeal President Barack Obama’s health care plan Wednesday, taking their first major step toward rolling back the massive overhaul that has dominated the American political landscape for almost two years.

The vote was 245 to 189, and unanimous GOP support gave the vote the same partisan feel of the March vote to pass the law, underscoring once again the hardened political lines of the health care debate. Only three Democrats backed the repeal, a smaller number than Republicans had once predicted.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47831.html#ixzz1BXA4NJi6

Rockntractor
01-19-2011, 08:18 PM
Well um , yes you are.

NJCardFan
01-19-2011, 08:36 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

But Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) took the debate to a new level late Tuesday night, suggesting to an empty House floor that Republican rhetoric around health care reform is akin to Nazi propaganda that fed anti-Semitism during World War II.
Yeah. Rhetoric about repealing a nationalization of the healthcare system is akin to Nazi's blaming Jews for the problems of Germany. :rolleyes: And this is Superman:
http://www.batman-superman.com/superman/img/bizzaro.gif

Apocalypse
01-20-2011, 12:30 AM
And watch it die in the Senate.

NJCardFan
01-20-2011, 02:04 AM
And watch it die in the Senate.

Doesn't matter really because even if it did pass the senate, do you think Obumble would sign it?

malloc
01-20-2011, 05:31 AM
And watch it die in the Senate.

Reid says he won't even bring it up for consideration, so it's up to the House to de-fund all of Obamacide that is discretionary and force the Senate's hand. Otherwise I predict a Republican majority in the Senate in 2012. The independent voters have already shown they hate Obamacide. I'm beginning to wonder if Democrats in the Senate hate their jobs or something.

SaintLouieWoman
01-20-2011, 07:36 AM
Reid says he won't even bring it up for consideration, so it's up to the House to de-fund all of Obamacide that is discretionary and force the Senate's hand. Otherwise I predict a Republican majority in the Senate in 2012. The independent voters have already shown they hate Obamacide. I'm beginning to wonder if Democrats in the Senate hate their jobs or something.

Perhaps they'll come to understand how the House Dems felt when they walked the plank for Pelosi and Obama.

PoliCon
01-20-2011, 08:44 AM
Reid says he won't even bring it up for consideration, so it's up to the House to de-fund all of Obamacide that is discretionary and force the Senate's hand. Otherwise I predict a Republican majority in the Senate in 2012. The independent voters have already shown they hate Obamacide. I'm beginning to wonder if Democrats in the Senate hate their jobs or something.

I hope that they do. :) I'm looking forward to sending Bob Casey Jr. home as unemployed! Being able to rid PA of 2 bad senators . . . . I'd prolly ruin my pants. :o

Novaheart
01-20-2011, 08:56 AM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah. Rhetoric about repealing a nationalization of the healthcare system is akin to Nazi's blaming Jews for the problems of Germany. :rolleyes: And this is Superman:
http://www.batman-superman.com/superman/img/bizzaro.gif

Before this is over, you will beg for Single Payer.

PoliCon
01-20-2011, 09:29 AM
Before this is over, you will beg for Single Payer.

screw that. Gimme portability and tort reform.

Zathras
01-20-2011, 09:33 AM
Before this is over, you will beg for Single Payer.

Me voting for Obumbles will happen before I do that.

fettpett
01-20-2011, 10:26 AM
screw that. Gimme portability and tort reform.

Wisconsin passed Tort reform this week....and they are getting bullshit flack that Seniors wont be protected...typical leftist tactics

Odysseus
01-20-2011, 11:01 AM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah. Rhetoric about repealing a nationalization of the healthcare system is akin to Nazi's blaming Jews for the problems of Germany. :rolleyes: And this is Superman:
http://www.batman-superman.com/superman/img/bizzaro.gif
Me am hating this post because it so funny. Me not ROFLOL
And shouldn't his "S" be backwards?

And watch it die in the Senate.
No problem. Watch the Dems defend this monstrosity, and record every single idiotic statement that they make. The more they work to defend the indefensible, the easier it will be to vote them out.

Doesn't matter really because even if it did pass the senate, do you think Obumble would sign it?
Nope. Again, make him veto it. Right now, he's trying to triangulate and pretend to be a centrist. If, however, he is forced to veto popular legislation, it highlights his radicalism.

Before this is over, you will beg for Single Payer.
I'd sooner beg to be put in a sack filled with cats and beaten like a pinata. My British wife loathes their NHS, Canada's system is overwhelmed, and don't get me started on the failures of Cuba's system. There is no single payer system in the world that does what you claim it will.

jediab
01-20-2011, 01:11 PM
Anyone able to find a link to list who voted what?

Edit: Nevermind. I found one. See who in your state voted Yes/No

http://bunkerville.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/vote-tally-count-house-repeal-obamacare-hr-2-health-care-law/

NJCardFan
01-20-2011, 05:03 PM
Anyone able to find a link to list who voted what?

Edit: Nevermind. I found one. See who in your state voted Yes/No

http://bunkerville.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/vote-tally-count-house-repeal-obamacare-hr-2-health-care-law/

Well, not a stretch. Mine certainly voted yes so the only mystery is which D's voted yes. And now we know. Good to see some others like Schuler, Chandler, Altmire and others being consistent with their votes. :rolleyes: I guess it's easy now that your seat isn't up for the next year and a half.

Odysseus
01-20-2011, 05:06 PM
Great article at the Heritage Foundation site (http://blog.heritage.org/2011/01/18/how-to-repeal-obamacare-in-the-senate/). It seems that they can actually force a vote:


How to Repeal Obamacare in the Senate
Posted January 18th, 2011 at 10:30am in Health Care

This week the House will pass a bill to repeal Obamacare. Congressional experts will argue that the Senate won’t pass a full repeal. They are correct to argue that full repeal will not be passed by both the House and Senate in the next few months, but they may be wrong that a full repeal bill will not pass in this Congress within the next two years. If Senators don’t take two procedural steps this week, they will make it virtually impossible to ever get a vote on the House-passed full repeal bill this Congress.

The House will pass H.R. 2 this week. Once that bill is passed, it will be sent to the Senate for consideration. Once the Senate receives the bill, any Senator can use Rule 14 to object to the second reading of the bill. This procedural objection will “hold at the desk” the House-passed bill and allow the Senate to act on the full repeal measure.

If the bill is referred to committee, it will never get to the Senate floor. This procedural objection by one or a number of Senators will stop the bill from being referred to the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee (HELP). If the bill is referred to committee, there is little to no expectation that the committee will pass the bill, let alone have one hearing on the bill.

Objecting to Rule 14 would hold the bill at the desk of the Senate and would put H.R. 2 on the Senate calendar. This procedure could be done with a letter or call from one Senator to the party leader. This would allow the Senate Majority Leader to commence debate on the matter when he so chooses. It is unlikely that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D–NV) would move to proceed to the bill, yet there is a procedure that any Senator can use to force a debate.

Any Senator can use Rule 22 to commence debate on H.R. 2 if they have held the bill at the desk. Rule 22, the filibuster rule, states:


Notwithstanding the provisions of rule II or rule IV or any other rule of the Senate, at any time a motion signed by sixteen Senators, to bring to a close the debate upon any measure, motion, other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, is presented to the Senate, the Presiding Officer, or clerk at the direction of the Presiding Officer, shall at once state the motion to the Senate, and one hour after the Senate meets on the following calendar day but one, he shall lay the motion before the Senate and direct that the clerk call the roll, and upon the ascertainment that a quorum is present, the Presiding Officer shall, without debate, submit to the Senate by a yea-and-nay vote the question: “Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?”

And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn—except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting—then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.

If any Senator can gather 16 signatures on a cloture petition, then they could file that petition with the clerk of the Senate. This would commence a proceeding that would end with a vote requiring 60 votes to shut off debate on a motion to proceed to a full repeal of Obamacare within two days of the filing of the petition. It is expected that Senate liberals would use Rule 22 to filibuster a full repeal of Obamacare. This would put many Senate Democrats in the interesting situation of voicing support for so-called “filibuster reform” while at the same time using the filibuster rule to block an up or down vote on Obamacare.

Once a bill is held at the desk, they can gather 16 signatures, then wait until the appropriate time to file cloture. They could do so next week or next year. If the courts continue to declare parts of Obamacare unconstitutional and the American people continue to despise this law, then the probability of full repeal may go up over time. At a minimum, Senators have the power to force a vote on full repeal of Obamacare if they have the will to do so.

If the supporters of a full repeal of Obamacare don’t use the Senate’s rules to force a vote on full repeal, don’t take them seriously when they say they are really want to repeal President Obama’s de facto government takeover of health care.

Hawkgirl
01-20-2011, 05:37 PM
I heard Dingy Harry won't even bring it to a vote in the Senate:eek:

Can he do that?

lacarnut
01-20-2011, 05:59 PM
I heard Dingy Harry won't even bring it to a vote in the Senate:eek:

Can he do that?

He can but as the Major's article states, the Repubs can force Democrats to vote on closure which would tar their names with voting against the repeal of the Health Care Bill. The 64 dollar question is will the Repubs have the balls to force them to do so.

Jfor
01-20-2011, 07:13 PM
He can but as the Major's article states, the Repubs can force Democrats to vote on closure which would tar their names with voting against the repeal of the Health Care Bill. The 64 dollar question is will the Repubs have the balls to force them to do so.

They better. Americans are finally paying attention and holding folks accountable.

Rockntractor
01-20-2011, 07:33 PM
We will see how serious they are by how many funds they hold back and refuse to release. I am skeptical but I love being wrong!

lacarnut
01-20-2011, 07:43 PM
We will see how serious they are by how many funds they hold back and refuse to release. I am skeptical but I love being wrong!

Right on. Boehner has already backed off the 100 billion in spending cuts that was being touted.

PoliCon
01-20-2011, 11:30 PM
Wisconsin passed Tort reform this week....and they are getting bullshit flack that Seniors wont be protected...typical leftist tactics

Protected from what? :confused:

PoliCon
01-20-2011, 11:31 PM
So wait - where are the accolades for the BIPARTISANSHIP of this bill?:confused::confused::confused::confused: