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megimoo
01-23-2011, 01:28 AM
Before telling a 100 percent falsehood about Reaganomics on HBO's "Real Time," the MSNBC commentator said the Strategic Defense Initiative would never work because you can't shoot a missile out of the sky with another missile (video follows with transcript and commentary):
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MADDOW: You know what? Here's the country, here's the kind of thing you put over like a cake to protect the cake from flies. Missiles don't work that way. Thatís the whole idea of SDI. We'll protect ourselves by shooting missiles at other missiles. Itís never worked in a test. We spent billions on it.
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And this is supposedly MSNBC's most intelligent prime time commentator.:D

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/22/rachel-maddow-sdi-cant-work-because-missiles-cant-shoot-missiles-out-

lacarnut
01-23-2011, 01:31 AM
It is a shame we can not strap Mad Cow to a missile to see if it really works.

NJCardFan
01-23-2011, 02:34 AM
Can't shoot missiles out of the sky, huh. I guess those patriot missiles shooting down those scuds were a dream?

Wei Wu Wei
01-23-2011, 11:54 AM
While you're scoffing at this go ahead and watch the rest of the discussion

txradioguy
01-23-2011, 12:02 PM
While you're scoffing at this go ahead and watch the rest of the discussion

I read the transcript. She's wrong on SDI...ever hear of the Patriot Missile System?

And she's completely dead wrong about what caused the breakdown between Gorbachey and Reagan in their Iceland summit.

For a "woman" who has a Doctorate in PoliSci and is a Rhodes Scholar...she doesn't know too much.

Either that ir she is purposely being misleading with her answers.

I think it's the latter.

Satanicus
01-23-2011, 12:23 PM
I read the transcript. She's wrong on SDI...ever hear of the Patriot Missile System?r.

The system never worked , sorry.

Here is the government report about it's failures. http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

The system was hyped right after the war to selll systems before the flaws were known.

You belived the lies.. The system never worked.

Satanicus
01-23-2011, 12:24 PM
Can't shoot missiles out of the sky, huh. I guess those patriot missiles shooting down those scuds were a dream?

Yes , you must have dreamed it. http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

BTW fools , shooting down a ballistic missile is different than shooting down a Iraqi scud , get a clue already

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 12:48 PM
Yes , you must have dreamed it. http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

BTW fools , shooting down a ballistic missile is different than shooting down a Iraqi scud , get a clue already

Sorry butt product, since 1992 technology has drastically improved unlike your syphilitic brain.

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 12:58 PM
Prove it.

BTW , you DO know the Iraqi scud is nothing like a nuclear missile ?

And implying that since the patriot missile system "worked" ... then SDI must also work is 100% absurd.

I am not wasting anytime on you, butt product. Do your own research.

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 01:03 PM
I did , I posted a government report on the failure of the patriot missile system , and you posted namecalling.

BTW , Even if the Patriot worked (and it didn't) , it wouldn't mean jack shit about SDI

Checkmate.

Dance boy! You're my entertainment bitch!:rolleyes:

Apache
01-23-2011, 01:03 PM
Yes , you must have dreamed it. http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

BTW fools , shooting down a ballistic missile is different than shooting down a Iraqi scud , get a clue already

No, you are the fool. You come in here blathering like some moronic gnat, post a link (which you didn't read) and say, 'I win'. When you learn some reading skills let someone know, K?

Satanicus
01-23-2011, 01:04 PM
No, you are the fool. You come in here blathering like some moronic gnat, post a link (which you didn't read) and say, 'I win'. When you learn some reading skills let someone know, K?

Prove it worked.

I posted a link , can you ?

Apache
01-23-2011, 01:06 PM
I did , I posted a government report on the failure of A patriot missile system , and you posted namecalling.

BTW , Even if the Patriot worked (and it didn't) , it wouldn't mean jack shit about SDI

Checkmate.

Fixxored for content...

Satanicus
01-23-2011, 01:09 PM
Fixxored for content...

simply show me where one worked.

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 01:11 PM
Prove it worked.

I posted a link , can you ?

Hey butt product, if our missile defense was so worthless why did the Russians not want us to have it? Why wouldn't they just leave it alone and hope we wasted money on it, you imbecile.

Apache
01-23-2011, 01:22 PM
simply show me where one worked.

See? (http://www.cdi.org/issues/bmd/patriot.html) Unlike you, I can be honest about things...

Satanicus
01-23-2011, 01:31 PM
See? (http://www.cdi.org/issues/bmd/patriot.html) Unlike you, I can be honest about things...

For the sake of argument , even if the PMS worked , it still doesn't prove SDI works.

SDI has never ever worked , every test has failed to hit the bullet with the bullet on an even playing field.

SDI does not work.

fettpett
01-23-2011, 01:32 PM
Yes , you must have dreamed it. http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

BTW fools , shooting down a ballistic missile is different than shooting down a Iraqi scud , get a clue already

right.... :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZViavFMW0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3r7AL_hLQQ&feature=related

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 01:33 PM
Hey butt product, if our missile defense was so worthless why did the Russians not want us to have it? Why wouldn't they just leave it alone and hope we wasted money on it, you imbecile.

Satanicus, answer.

Apache
01-23-2011, 01:39 PM
For the sake of argument , even when the PMS worked , it still doesn't prove SDI works.

SDI has never ever worked , every test has failed to hit the bullet with the bullet on an even playing field.

SDI does not work.

Fixxored AGAIN.

Thank God you weren't around during th Industrial revolution...:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Fixxored AGAIN.

Thank God you weren't around during th Industrial revolution...:rolleyes:

But his father the real Satan was!

Satanicus
01-23-2011, 01:47 PM
100% fail. That test was a joke.

In this test, MDA will launch a target missile from Kodiak Island, Alaska, and an interceptor from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The range of the target missile will be significantly shorter than an intercontinental range missile, and therefore the target speed will be significantly slower than it would be in an intercept attempt against a warhead from a long-range missile...Successful or not, this test will not prove that the missile defense system can counter real-world decoys....In other words, the discrimination capability MDA plans to test tomorrow would not be useful in an actual attack, since it can be easily countered by an attacker. http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nwgs/MissileDefenseTestBackgrounder-12-4-08.pdf

Like I said , SDI has never worked. The interceptor has to have a target at half speed, and know exactly where the missile is coming from.

Apache
01-23-2011, 01:55 PM
100% fail. That test was a joke.

In this test, MDA will launch a target missile from Kodiak Island, Alaska, and an interceptor from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The range of the target missile will be significantly shorter than an intercontinental range missile, and therefore the target speed will be significantly slower than it would be in an intercept attempt against a warhead from a long-range missile...Successful or not, this test will not prove that the missile defense system can counter real-world decoys....In other words, the discrimination capability MDA plans to test tomorrow would not be useful in an actual attack, since it can be easily countered by an attacker. http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nwgs/MissileDefenseTestBackgrounder-12-4-08.pdf

Like I said , SDI has never worked. The interceptor has to have a target at half speed, and know exactly where the missile is coming from.

Right.Right. Because you always run before you crawl...:rolleyes:

AmPat
01-23-2011, 03:03 PM
While you're scoffing at this go ahead and watch the rest of the discussion

Why aren't you "scoffing" at yet another idiot liberal spewing diarrhea from between her teeth?:cool:

AmPat
01-23-2011, 03:07 PM
Prove it worked.

I posted a link , can you ?There are a few hundred thousand Israelis glad for that system that "never worked." I know first hand it works you pile of feces. BTW, ALL. Did you get that moron? ALL advanced technological systems have failures. The Osprey crashed 7 prototypes during testing. The Marines are now flying that failure of a system.:cool:

Satanicus
01-23-2011, 03:10 PM
There are a few hundred thousand Israelis glad for that system that "never worked." I know first hand it works you pile of feces.:

Prove it.

Articulate_Ape
01-23-2011, 03:12 PM
100% fail. That test was a joke.

In this test, MDA will launch a target missile from Kodiak Island, Alaska, and an interceptor from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The range of the target missile will be significantly shorter than an intercontinental range missile, and therefore the target speed will be significantly slower than it would be in an intercept attempt against a warhead from a long-range missile...Successful or not, this test will not prove that the missile defense system can counter real-world decoys....In other words, the discrimination capability MDA plans to test tomorrow would not be useful in an actual attack, since it can be easily countered by an attacker. http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nwgs/MissileDefenseTestBackgrounder-12-4-08.pdf

Like I said , SDI has never worked. The interceptor has to have a target at half speed, and know exactly where the missile is coming from.

Was this one (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1250734/U-S-Star-Wars-laser-plane-shoots-ballistic-missile.html) fake too, meathead?

hampshirebrit
01-23-2011, 05:35 PM
Satty, many apologies ... I should have said in the other thread that we would like you to refrain from posting in any other threads until such time as you answer my very reasonable question. (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=364739&postcount=13)

We really are very eager for your response.

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 05:38 PM
Satty, many apologies ... I should have said in the other thread that we would like you to refrain from posting in any other threads until such time as you answer my very reasonable question. (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=364739&postcount=13)

We really are very eager for your response.

You are soooo kind! It brings tears to my eyes!
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/Crying____by_Hahnsel.jpg

hampshirebrit
01-23-2011, 05:41 PM
You are soooo kind! It brings tears to my eyes!
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/Crying____by_Hahnsel.jpg

LMAO. :D

I am far too kind, at times.

Apache
01-23-2011, 05:50 PM
Your link goes to a story about a Mom....:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
01-23-2011, 06:52 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cf8f1067b7/satan-is-dead

megimoo
01-23-2011, 07:06 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cf8f1067b7/satan-is-deadSatans second greatest lie !..His greatest lie "GOD" is dead

AmPat
01-24-2011, 12:47 AM
Prove it.

Prove what you fecal stain? Prove you have a brain.

txradioguy
01-24-2011, 04:11 AM
The system never worked , sorry.

Here is the government report about it's failures. http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

The system was hyped right after the war to selll systems before the flaws were known.

You belived the lies.. The system never worked.

Uh huh...and I guess that the curreent ABM stuff we've got is a giant failure too.

You're referencing ONE missed Scud out of how many that were hit? And at a time when the Patriot was doing a job it wasn't originally designed for. There are now the anti-aircraft variant as well as an anti-missile variant.

So I'd say despite your focusing on one missed missile the system worked better than hoped for.

Never mind the fact that despite YOUR say so...millions of people myself included watched the Patriot system actually work over the skies of Kuwait.

The Patriot PAC-3 system is specifically designed to do what you and Meaty Fingers Maddow says can't happen. And has demonstrated time and again to have happened.

But then I guess facts and reality will never stop a Libtard mouth breather like you from denying reality huh?

txradioguy
01-24-2011, 04:21 AM
Prove it.

As you wish dumbass.



Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein launched yet more Scuds, this time from mobile launchers in Kuwait and southern Iraq toward targets in Saudi Arabia. At about half past four on the morning of 17 January, shortly after the air campaign began, the on-duty crew of Battery A, 2d Battalion, 7th Air Defense Artillery, 11th Brigade, a Patriot unit located to protect the Dhahran airport, was alerted and signaled to don gas masks and chemical warfare suits. Without satellite cuing, Battery A loosed two Patriot missiles into the sky over the airport. Looking from a distance like Roman candles but with a thunderous clap indicating something far mightier, the Patriots leaped skyward, maneuvered, and apparently engaged their target. It was over in a matter of seconds. In the process, history's first wartime engagement of a tactical rocket by an antitactical ballistic missile seemed to have occurred.

During the night of 21-22 January, the so-called battle of Riyadh featured numerous apparent Scuds descending on the Saudi Arabian capital. The blossoming effect produced far more targets than were actually there, but the Patriot crews weeded through the radar clutter and engaged every legitimate target. Destruction of a Scud sometimes produced a small-scale version of the blossoming effect. A new PDB-3 software version was produced to help the overall system track, identify, engage, and destroy "real" targets. In addition, many Patriot batteries began to operate in manual mode. The weapon control computer performed its normal functions, but the actual launching of the Patriot missiles was executed manually by a crew member in the engagement control station, prompted by the system.

I hope the Libtard chokes on this little nugget especially:


In the final analysis, the Patriot missile made major contributions to the success of Operation DESERT STORM. Though some allied tactical aircraft were diverted to hunt for the elusive mobile Scud launchers, the air phase stayed on track and on schedule in large part because the Patriots were able to deal with the Scuds, which were employed in a piecemeal fashion by an unimaginative enemy. The Patriot also helped keep preparation and execution of the land campaign on schedule by eliminating the need to divert maneuver units to the task of searching for mobile Scuds. In short, the Patriot reduced the Scud to a minor operational irritant. And last, Saddam Hussein's use of Scuds as a terror weapon to goad the Israelis into a reprisal that would possibly unravel the fragile coalition or to panic the Saudis and crush their will to resist came to naught. Overall, the Patriot blunted the foe's only truly effective offensive weapon.

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/docops/wwwapena.htm

Note that I used the same source website as the Libtard.

Not bad for a system HE claims is a 100% failure.

You need to really think long and hard before you make the mistake of asking someone here to "prove it".

It will save you the embarrassment of having someone else do to you what I just did.

hampshirebrit
01-24-2011, 07:54 AM
It will save you the embarrassment of having someone else do to you what I just did.

Sadly Satty is no longer with us. I cut him loose (permanently) yesterday.

djones520
01-24-2011, 08:13 AM
As you wish dumbass.




I hope the Libtard chokes on this little nugget especially:



http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/docops/wwwapena.htm

Note that I used the same source website as the Libtard.

Not bad for a system HE claims is a 100% failure.

You need to really think long and hard before you make the mistake of asking someone here to "prove it".

It will save you the embarrassment of having someone else do to you what I just did.

Considering a Patriot took out a SCUD that was fired at the base my father was on during Desert Storm, I'm going to consider them pretty damn succesful.

SaintLouieWoman
01-24-2011, 08:26 AM
Sadly Satty is no longer with us. I cut him loose (permanently) yesterday.

And perhaps Comcast will do the same with Rachel Maddow.

txradioguy
01-24-2011, 09:35 AM
Sadly Satty is no longer with us. I cut him loose (permanently) yesterday.

Yeah I saw that after I posted this stuff.

However...there's another Lib that's been on this thread that needs to read and absorb what I posted.

AmPat
01-26-2011, 10:46 PM
Considering a Patriot took out a SCUD that was fired at the base my father was on during Desert Storm, I'm going to consider them pretty damn succesful.

I have a piece of the fuel tank from the SCUD that a 1st generation Patriot shot down. The one that unfortunately came down on the quartermaster billets.:(
Of course, an liberal like Satty would dispute that also.:rolleyes: