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megimoo
01-25-2011, 09:14 AM
"Gates is Getting Very Nervous.Obama tells him to cut The Military Budget and Now China Threatens Us With A Stolen Copy of Our Own Aircraft."

Chinese military flight-tested a new tactical aircraft during a visit by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Several features of the plane looked remarkably similar to America’s top-of-the-line F-22 fighter, and yet somehow leaders of the People’s Liberation Army air force managed to not mention to Hu that the test was happening.

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Gates argued that plans to buy over a thousand smaller F-35 joint strike fighters would meet the nation’s future air-superiority needs, neglecting to mention that the F-35 was designed to operate in tandem with the more lethal F-2

The sudden appearance of a Chinese tactical aircraft resembling the F-22 should give pause to any Pentagon planner who thought termination of the plane made sense. While the Chinese plane is distinctly different from the American fighter, it clearly seeks to exploit the same stealth technology in its forward aspect that makes the F-22 so survivable. More importantly, it poses a danger Gates had claimed was unlikely to materialize before 2025 — a danger that the F-22 is well-suited to defeat.


That presumably is one reason why China’s neighbor Japan agitated for years for an opportunity to buy the F-22, only to be rebuffed by policymakers intent on killing the plane. Having recently reversed himself on the bomber and approved Air Force plans to develop a new long-range strike aircraft, the defense secretary needs to also revisit his decision on F-22. Without an adequate number of F-22s, U.S. pilots could have a tough time matching the performance of their Chinese counterparts in a future struggle for control of the Pacific

http://blogs.forbes.com/beltway/2011/01/24/chinese-military-breakthroughs-alarm-pentagon/

Rockntractor
01-25-2011, 09:43 AM
There are no mistakes here. A trojan horse was planted in our White House to weaken our defenses, that is what he will continue to do until his last day in office. A weaker America is what the left wants to make a more level playing field.
This becomes more obvious every day, you don't need links for proof on this, it is obvious to any semi-conscious human being, we elected the enemy.

marv
01-25-2011, 02:33 PM
...but then there's the F-35 (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/f35/)....


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/aeronautics/press_photos/2011/F35_11P00005_76_pr.jpg

djones520
01-25-2011, 02:36 PM
I'm not even close to holding my breath on considering the Chinese jet a contender against the F-22 or even the F-35.

A lot more goes into those aircraft then just "stealth". Avionics, weapon systems, etc... Stealth technology is a big thing now a days, but if you don't have the technology to make the aircraft deadly, all it is, is a flying target that is a bit harder to hit.

megimoo
01-25-2011, 06:06 PM
I'm not even close to holding my breath on considering the Chinese jet a contender against the F-22 or even the F-35.

A lot more goes into those aircraft then just "stealth". Avionics, weapon systems, etc... Stealth technology is a big thing now a days, but if you don't have the technology to make the aircraft deadly, all it is, is a flying target that is a bit harder to hit.

The video shows that they have an all 'glass' digital cockpit and that insinuates computer control .How much of the aircraft control surfaces are under tight digital feedback at the edge of instability reminas to be seen in their first encounter with an aircraft like the F-22 !

The Asians have proven that while they aren't quite as iinnovative as the west in aircraft design they are very good at catching up by using the technology of others !

All we have now is a few F-22's and an about to be canceled F-35 Program.China doesn't have to have full stealth in the J-20,partial is good enough.When they get a hold of GE's Military engine division they will steal the place blind.The video shown an aircraft has many F-22 design traits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9rvBLxGs-8&feature=player_embedded

It Doesn't Have thrust vectoring or Super_Cruise yet but that will come from stolen American designs and G.E.!

So for now our top front line interceptor aircraft are F-16,F-15 and a few F-22's !

" A lot more goes into those aircraft then just "stealth". Avionics, weapon systems, et"

A point you missed is the distributed flight and fire control systems.The F-22 Avionics system is integrated into a distributed multiple computer automatic flight and fire control system preloaded mission Rom code .The preloaded data allows each control surface independent computer control with feedback to keep the control surfaces at the edge of instability for virtual instant response.

The F-22 Carries six AIM-120C AARAMS and two AIM-9M sidewinders in internal weapon store.

The test system computers that generate the Nano and Pico code for the F-22's are highly evolved and considered top secret .The source code compilers are mature with many hours of 'bug free' operation.Most of the F-22 design secrets can be extracted by close examination of the microcode .

Just as the F-16 allows the pilot to switch between fighter/bomber by reloading mission code while in flight the F-22 allows the pilot to change its code to match the threat scenario it enters .Any fighter aircraft that can turn inside of the turn radius of an opponent wins.

fettpett
01-25-2011, 06:20 PM
they are still a good 5-15 years away from it being in production. At lest with the right person in the WH and Congress we can get more F-22's built and find a better option for the F-35 or get it flying.

marv
01-25-2011, 06:24 PM
Just a note: I was Program Director for the Bendix Corp's Minuteman and Mark 48 torpedo warhead components in the late 60s and early 70s, so I knew the weapon build and ship schedules.

While much was made of the US' throw weight deficiency during the 1970 mid-term election campaign, we were already dropping tripple Russia's throw weight into silos in the form of Minuteman IIIs.

'Course, that was then, and now it's Obama!

N.B. Being very good at catching up with the technology of others means you're always behind. When we found ourselves behind in the technology of the Jap Zero at the start of WW2, we didn't bother to "catch up", we inovated.

djones520
01-25-2011, 06:25 PM
187 planned F-22's with 160ish now on the lines is a bit more then a few Megi, especially considering their capabilities. And the F-35 is far from being cancelled. The VTOL engine for it has been put on hold for a couple years, and it is likely that variant will be cancelled, but the AF and Navy version is still go with the AF receiving it's first operational ones this year.

The Chinese only have 100 of their most advanced home grown fighter, which is watered down version of the Su-27. While they may be able to build them, they don't seem to have the capability to seriously mass produce them yet.

This aircraft is a suprise, no question about it. But it does not herald the Chinese becoming the dominant air power of the world. They have a long way to go to catch up with us, let alone surpass us.

fettpett
01-25-2011, 06:35 PM
187 planned F-22's with 160ish now on the lines is a bit more then a few Megi, especially considering their capabilities. And the F-35 is far from being cancelled. The VTOL engine for it has been put on hold for a couple years, and it is likely that variant will be cancelled, but the AF and Navy version is still go with the AF receiving it's first operational ones this year.

The Chinese only have 100 of their most advanced home grown fighter, which is watered down version of the Su-27. While they may be able to build them, they don't seem to have the capability to seriously mass produce them yet.

This aircraft is a suprise, no question about it. But it does not herald the Chinese becoming the dominant air power of the world. They have a long way to go to catch up with us, let alone surpass us.

even if they built 1000 J-20's, i highly doubt the Chinese could over come our air forces. I'd almost bet that the F-22 could take out more than enough of their fair share of J-20's