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Gingersnap
01-28-2011, 10:01 AM
Actor Richard Dreyfuss: ‘Thinking’ as a Citizen, ‘Sooner or Later Makes Your Head Hurt’
Friday, January 28, 2011
By Nicholas Ballasy

(CNSNews.com) – Academy Award-winning actor Richard Dreyfuss, who is spearheading a civics education initiative across the country, said the responsibilities of a good citizen require hard, long-term thinking that “sooner or later makes your head hurt.”

At the National Press Club on Tuesday, CNSNews.com asked Dreyfuss, “Would you say the lack of civility, the harsh rhetoric is on both sides, the left and the right?”

Dreyfuss said, “Yes. You can’t distinguish between the bad guys are on the right and the good guys are on the left. The bad guys are the bad guys and that’s really the future delineation of, literally, the party system.”

“The complement of Republican democracy is that it asks the public to think,” he said. “The public was never, ever asked to think before because in every other theory of governance they were simply not part of the story, and the king would appoint someone from the aristocratic class to take care of the postal service and that was that.”

“Now, the common man has to learn how to think things through and think as a citizen, not just as a baker or a philologist,” said Dreyfuss. “He has to think as an American citizen and as a sovereign. And thinking, no matter who you are or what you think you know, sooner or later makes your head hurt. And it’s hard. And many people say, ‘It hurts too much, you take care of it.’”

“And the real delineation of the future of political opposition, in the future will be those who are willing to think things through, however much of a headache it gives them, and those who aren’t,” said Dreyfuss.

This actually seems like a coherent and potentially important thought -- from a celebutard! :eek:

CNS (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/actor-richard-dreyfuss-thinking-citizen)

Arroyo_Doble
01-28-2011, 10:09 AM
This actually seems like a coherent and potentially important thought -- from a celebutard! :eek:

CNS (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/actor-richard-dreyfuss-thinking-citizen)

Ugh! Celebrities. Good Lord, could imagine if one were ever elected president?

megimoo
01-28-2011, 10:10 AM
This actually seems like a coherent and potentially important thought -- from a celebutard! :eek:

CNS (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/actor-richard-dreyfuss-thinking-citizen)Obviously he's liberal as most Hollywood critters are.He seems to be telling the common swine to behave like good little hive mind bee's and avoid thinking as it hurts the poor ignorant working classes mind/head ?

Gingersnap
01-28-2011, 10:10 AM
Ugh! Celebrities. Good Lord, could imagine if one were ever elected president?

Pretty easily. I know you have a point, Oreo, so get it out.

Arroyo_Doble
01-28-2011, 10:12 AM
Pretty easily. I know you have a point, Oreo, so get it out.

I find it comical when Republicans (or conservatives in general) complain about celebrities in politics.

Gingersnap
01-28-2011, 10:26 AM
I find it comical when Republicans (or conservatives in general) complain about celebrities in politics.

I was not "complaining". I was pleasantly surprised and supportive. I'm interested in the initiative that Dreyfuss is promoting and I think it may be a good thing. It's unusual for an entertainer to discuss the hard work of citizenship, to admit that being informed is often tedious or difficult, and to point out the short-comings on both sides.

I mean it's unusual in my world. In your world, I guess entertainers do this kind of thing routinely.

AmPat
01-28-2011, 10:35 AM
I find it comical when Republicans (or conservatives in general) complain about celebrities in politics.

Wow, you are SOOO vague. Whatever do you mean?:confused::rolleyes:

Reagan was indeed a celebrity. He was also at one time a DIM. He grew a brain and switched party affiliation. The man became more than a celebrity by becoming a governor and president. The best president in over a hundred years.

I used to do many things. I built houses, installed floors, I was a salesman and a manager, I taught school and have been flying for the army for 25 years. You realize people do grow?:rolleyes:

Dreyfus and the other celebutards are famous for reading other people's words in front of a camera, not for any particular acumen in political thought. Big difference between the idiotic rantings of clueless liberal celebutards and a Ronald Reagan.:cool:

noonwitch
01-28-2011, 12:50 PM
Ugh! Celebrities. Good Lord, could imagine if one were ever elected president?


Were you alive in the 80s? A celebrity was elected president.

Gingersnap
01-28-2011, 01:08 PM
Were you alive in the 80s? A celebrity was elected president.

He's attempting humor. ;)

Calypso Jones
01-28-2011, 03:05 PM
Dreyfus is a lib. I don't think a thing he says should be taken seriously. I'm thinking he's looking at some career change in the not too distant future.

Calypso Jones
01-28-2011, 03:06 PM
The ONLY way i'd ever vote for a celebrity is if they're a tried and true conservative. That's not gonna happen. Being leftist automatically indicates mental instability.

AmPat
01-28-2011, 03:09 PM
Dreyfus is a lib. I don't think a thing he says should be taken seriously. I'm thinking he's looking at some career change in the not too distant future.
Here's a little insight into his small mind:

Dreyfuss said, “Yes. You can’t distinguish between the bad guys are on the right and the good guys are on the left.
Not too subtle for me.

Gingersnap
01-28-2011, 03:34 PM
He may be a lefty but promoting civics and citizenship is no bad thing. Too many people are disengaged because politics seems so boring and difficult. I'm all for reminding people of their civic duty. ;)

Arroyo_Doble
01-28-2011, 03:38 PM
He may be a lefty but promoting civics and citizenship is no bad thing. Too many people are disengaged because politics seems so boring and difficult. I'm all for reminding people of their civic duty. ;)

And even so many who (imagine they) are informed only care about politics at the national level. It is local politics that are the most difficult yet the very thing you can have the greatest impact on.

Odysseus
01-28-2011, 03:40 PM
I find it comical when Republicans (or conservatives in general) complain about celebrities in politics.

We don't object to celebrities in politics. We object to idiots whose only claim to fame is celebrity. Reagan was a celebrity, but he was also a lot more. Before becoming president, Reagan was governor of the most populous state in the nation. Before that, he was president of the Screen Actor's Guild, one of the most influential unions in the country at the time, and was a key player in opposing the communist takeover of that union. In short, he wasn't a lightweight, despite the media's best (or worst) efforts to make him out as one. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger had a series of business successes before running for governor of California. Compare them with Alec Baldwin, Kieth Olbermann, Al Franken, and the other leftist celebrities who either have run for office or who claim to be considering it. What have they done to qualify them for the job of determining what laws should pass, what policies to pursue, what actions to take in response to a crisis? The celebrities that we object to are people who have never done anything except entertain, and in most cases, badly.

Arroyo_Doble
01-28-2011, 03:43 PM
We don't object to celebrities in politics. We object to idiots whose only claim to fame is celebrity. Reagan was a celebrity, but he was also a lot more. Before becoming president, Reagan was governor of the most populous state in the nation. Before that, he was president of the Screen Actor's Guild, one of the most influential unions in the country at the time, and was a key player in opposing the communist takeover of that union. In short, he wasn't a lightweight, despite the media's best (or worst) efforts to make him out as one. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger had a series of business successes before running for governor of California. Compare them with Alec Baldwin, Kieth Olbermann, Al Franken, and the other leftist celebrities who either have run for office or who claim to be considering it. What have they done to qualify them for the job of determining what laws should pass, what policies to pursue, what actions to take in response to a crisis? The celebrities that we object to are people who have never done anything except entertain, and in most cases, badly.

Sure.

Regardless, celebrities (that are Americans, anyway) are citizens just like you and I and my plumber. If they want to run for office and they win, well, that's one less fucking lawyer writing laws.

Odysseus
01-28-2011, 04:15 PM
Sure.

Regardless, celebrities (that are Americans, anyway) are citizens just like you and I and my plumber. If they want to run for office and they win, well, that's one less fucking lawyer writing laws.

This is one of my objections to the kind of centralized authority that we are currently experiencing. The problem is not that laws are written by lawyers or that actors think that a career of reading other people's writing qualifies them for public office, it's that the centralization of power puts too much of it in the hands of anyone, and that actors and lawyers are simply the worst of the lot that might get their hands on it.

Gingersnap
01-28-2011, 04:37 PM
And even so many who (imagine they) are informed only care about politics at the national level. It is local politics that are the most difficult yet the very thing you can have the greatest impact on.

Absolutely. I detest county-level politics but I show up just the same and it's worth it. A few years ago the county wanted to do a "land-swap" with a developer. The developer would have had a huge strip of land that actually connected two preserves and the county would have ended up with a rocky, hilly, skinny strip of land with railroad tracks going through it. The county politicos loved the deal, partly for the proposed revenue but mostly for the backdoor sweetheart deals that went with it. After all, who would care?

A lot of us, apparently. A lot of day hikers, dog-walkers, bird watchers, and assorted others got the word out and we were able to stop the deal with our votes. :)