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Calypso Jones
01-31-2011, 03:35 PM
beat him, hung him upside down from a tree. Some woman walking by saw it and did nothing. Philadelphia.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41354547

i'm not saying a word.

Phillygirl
01-31-2011, 03:39 PM
Actually, it's Upper Darby. Pretty tough neighborhoods there.

Apache
01-31-2011, 03:53 PM
Actually, it's Upper Darby. Pretty tough neighborhoods there.

No excuse for such cowardice though...

Phillygirl
01-31-2011, 04:11 PM
No excuse for such cowardice though...

Agreed. It's a shame. It used to be a good township. Now the school is scary as hell for most students there.

Gingersnap
01-31-2011, 04:31 PM
I kind of figured the area was marginal when the term "Opportunity School" was mentioned. It's mostly high crime, poverty-plagued areas that use names like that in their educational programs.

How dysfunctional would an area have to be before a grown woman wouldn't call 911 on this kind of beat-down? :confused:

Zafod
01-31-2011, 04:41 PM
is it a race driven crime?

CueSi
01-31-2011, 06:20 PM
is it a race driven crime?

<looks up from her, "Lord, don't let those kids be black, please don't let those kids be black...." prayer>

I hope not.

~QC

Calypso Jones
01-31-2011, 06:54 PM
now WHY would you wish THAT??

Calypso Jones
01-31-2011, 06:55 PM
Here's some video. You have to watch because they go back and forth between vid/police chief/reporter.

I love the blue tint, don't you?? wonder why they did that? :rolleyes:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/High-Schoolers-Kidnap-Beat-Hang-Kid-From-Tree-Cops-114944044.html

Calypso Jones
01-31-2011, 07:02 PM
oKay. NOW i'm REALLY suspicious. Blue Video, very smudgy. I could make out certain information of the attackers when they were carted off in the bus. The kid, I don't know. But based on a blue video, intentional poor quality, i'm thinking its possible we've got ourselves a hate crime here. just saying. Not that the left will want to touch this with a ten -foot pole.

Phillygirl
01-31-2011, 09:52 PM
<looks up from her, "Lord, don't let those kids be black, please don't let those kids be black...." prayer>

I hope not.

~QC

I hate to say it, but the odds are they were black. Statistically, you probably ought to say a few more prayers.

Phillygirl
01-31-2011, 09:54 PM
I kind of figured the area was marginal when the term "Opportunity School" was mentioned. It's mostly high crime, poverty-plagued areas that use names like that in their educational programs.

How dysfunctional would an area have to be before a grown woman wouldn't call 911 on this kind of beat-down? :confused:

Chitwood has his work cut out for him. There's pretty much not a day that does by that he's not in the paper due to some awful crime occurring there. There's a lot of spillover of city folk there. It's giving Chester a run for its money.

Calypso Jones
01-31-2011, 09:57 PM
not too long ago, some 36 year old Starbuck manager was attacked by GIRLS from Upper Darby area. He was asthmatic and it killed him. There were about 6 girls. I think they've collected almost all of them. I thought it happened in NY but i could be wrong.

PoliCon
01-31-2011, 11:10 PM
Hate crime? The victim is black so . . . clearly the kids who attacked him are not white or they would be calling it a hate crime . . . . Then again - seems to me that it is a hate crime of sorts. Seems to me that they probably attacked this kid for having some education. He seems well spoken in the interviews and used his words properly. No "he be" - "they be" shit.

Wei Wu Wei
01-31-2011, 11:19 PM
I kind of figured the area was marginal when the term "Opportunity School" was mentioned. It's mostly high crime, poverty-plagued areas that use names like that in their educational programs.

How dysfunctional would an area have to be before a grown woman wouldn't call 911 on this kind of beat-down? :confused:

It's really sad but this "walk right by and do nothing" attitude is extremely prevalent.

I won't lie, there have been plenty of times in my life when I saw something and knew inside of me what the right thing to do was, and didn't do it.

Nothing like this of course, but yeah sadly it's all too common.

Rockntractor
01-31-2011, 11:34 PM
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I won't lie, there have been plenty of times in my life when I saw something and knew inside of me what the right thing to do was, and didn't do it.


I believe it.

Novaheart
02-01-2011, 12:34 AM
Chitwood has his work cut out for him. There's pretty much not a day that does by that he's not in the paper due to some awful crime occurring there. There's a lot of spillover of city folk there. It's giving Chester a run for its money.

I thought Chester was pretty nice the last time I was there. My friend's grandmother lived there in a scary old house you could film a horror movie in.

Novaheart
02-01-2011, 12:37 AM
Chitwood has his work cut out for him. There's pretty much not a day that does by that he's not in the paper due to some awful crime occurring there. There's a lot of spillover of city folk there. It's giving Chester a run for its money.

I think people in Pennsylvania can get Florida concealed carry permits.

Calypso Jones
02-01-2011, 08:29 AM
Mother and kid were on Fox this am. She's pretty upset about it. His name is Nadim Khoury. She has some kind of accent. Where are they from originally?

noonwitch
02-01-2011, 09:05 AM
It's really sad but this "walk right by and do nothing" attitude is extremely prevalent.

I won't lie, there have been plenty of times in my life when I saw something and knew inside of me what the right thing to do was, and didn't do it.

Nothing like this of course, but yeah sadly it's all too common.



I don't do that anymore, although I don't always directly intervene, since I have a cell phone and can call 911.

I watched a man beat a whore once in a gas station parking lot at 7 Mile and Woodward (in the hood). I went into the station, even though I had already paid, and asked the attendant to call the police (this was in the early 90s, before cell phones were so cheap and available). He said "she a ho, why bother?". When I went back out, the man had gone in to pay, and the woman was sitting in his truck with the door open. I asked her if she was all right and if she needed any help-she said no, everything was okay. At least I asked. Everyone else pumping gas pretended nothing happened.

After 9-11, the neighborhood kids in my current neighborhood starting picking on the Chaldean kid who lives across the street (now a teenager). I yelled at a bunch of them for it, on several occasions, because that is the kind of thing with kids that can escalate quickly.

I got the crap kicked out of me by bullies a few times as a kid, and watched a friend get beaten by one a couple of times. Adults do seem to vanish from sight when that happens, when most of the time, all it takes is for an adult to yell at the little snots to get them to stop.

Lager
02-01-2011, 09:48 AM
I thought "hate crime" was another one of those concepts the left makes up and uses. Regardless of the color of the victims or perps, I have to think that any time you see violence such as this, there's obviously some hate involved.

AmPat
02-01-2011, 09:49 AM
Mother and kid were on Fox this am. She's pretty upset about it. His name is Nadim Khoury. She has some kind of accent. Where are they from originally?

Sounds Iranian. I had a Soldier once that had this name and he claimed he was from India.

I once got my butt lit up for putting a freshman upside down in his locker. We only meant to haze him. He made the situation worse by getting his butt cut by a broken hanger inside the locker. Coach was pissed!:eek:

We were only "having fun," today I would be facing felony charges.:(

Zafod
02-01-2011, 10:20 AM
I believe it.

no shit.

Calypso Jones
02-01-2011, 11:03 AM
I thought "hate crime" was another one of those concepts the left makes up and uses. Regardless of the color of the victims or perps, I have to think that any time you see violence such as this, there's obviously some hate involved.

I don't think you truly grasp the concept...i'm sure it's only a momentary lapse into reasonableness for you so cut it out. Its only a hate crime if it is white on black....rarely happens. Now it could be black on white but whitey caused it.

Novaheart
02-01-2011, 01:20 PM
I thought "hate crime" was another one of those concepts the left makes up and uses. Regardless of the color of the victims or perps, I have to think that any time you see violence such as this, there's obviously some hate involved.

Just because something is overused or misused doesn't mean it isn't legitimate in legitimate use. The legitimate use for the term is when harm is directed at another person based on who he is rather than something he has done. Mind you, I don't support hate-crime laws. I would be perfectly delighted to see all crimes solved and punished without regard to the status of the subject or victim. However, a history of selective enforcement, selective prosecution, and bias in the courts gave rise to the concept of special enforcement, special oversight, and removal of discretion in sentencing.

Phillygirl
02-01-2011, 01:36 PM
I thought Chester was pretty nice the last time I was there. My friend's grandmother lived there in a scary old house you could film a horror movie in.

You must have been there a long time ago. Chester gives Detroit and D.C. a run for its money on murders per capita. It's a shame...it once was a grand little city, now its crime ridden and drug ridden. Still some beautiful old houses, especially right as you come to Swarthmore. I worked there for a year when I was in law school and I was pretty scared every day that I had to get out of my car. It was the first time I ever bought cigarettes at a store where the clerk was behind bullet proof glass.

Every politician has a plan to revitalize it. Somehow the politicians and their friends make money from the plan and the residents remain poor.

Phillygirl
02-01-2011, 01:39 PM
Mother and kid were on Fox this am. She's pretty upset about it. His name is Nadim Khoury. She has some kind of accent. Where are they from originally?

Apparently she is from Nigeria. The kids that did the beating may have been a mix of whites and blacks. I guess the post racial America in that area may lead to joining together to commit petty violent crimes.

I saw a little more of this on the news, and got some feedback from some other people. The kid was not hurt and he wan't hung from a tree...he was hung by his coat on an iron fence post. Apparently this happened right in front of some of the projects there, which would explain why nobody did anything. MYOB rules the streets there.

noonwitch
02-01-2011, 02:20 PM
Apparently this happened right in front of some of the projects there, which would explain why nobody did anything. MYOB rules the streets there.


Unless what's happening is funny. I had a crazy client in the projects in Detroit yelling at me on the porch one day, and all the neighbors were standing on their porches laughing at her, which only made her start yelling at them, too. I think that's what passes for entertainment when one is too poor to afford cable.

Lager
02-01-2011, 02:42 PM
Just because something is overused or misused doesn't mean it isn't legitimate in legitimate use. The legitimate use for the term is when harm is directed at another person based on who he is rather than something he has done. Mind you, I don't support hate-crime laws. I would be perfectly delighted to see all crimes solved and punished without regard to the status of the subject or victim. However, a history of selective enforcement, selective prosecution, and bias in the courts gave rise to the concept of special enforcement, special oversight, and removal of discretion in sentencing.

Most every crime is based on who the victim is. Sometimes it might be because of their color, or gender, or place in society, others it may be because they are alone, or look timid or unable to defend themselves. You cannot undue past wrongs of the criminal justice system by creating a special status for certain victims, conferred upon them by leftist ideals. Hate crime laws are not about justice. It's social engineering leading purposely to further divisions in our society.

Just explore the possibilities of the use of the designation. Imagine a rich white dude who wants a minority car jacker given extra sentencing because he insists he was targeted because of his wealth or status.

As an earlier poster said, if hate crime laws were all about fairness and justice, why is there never a call for this charge when the parameters of the crime don't fit the expected scenarios?

PoliCon
02-01-2011, 06:16 PM
Unless what's happening is funny. I had a crazy client in the projects in Detroit yelling at me on the porch one day, and all the neighbors were standing on their porches laughing at her, which only made her start yelling at them, too. I think that's what passes for entertainment when one is too poor to afford cable.

too poor to afford cable? :rolleyes: Where you been? Since when does that stop them? :rolleyes: I'm the only one in my neighborhood without cable and I'm the one with the largest income.

Rockntractor
02-01-2011, 07:04 PM
I'm the one with the largest income.

That is only in your eyes, the physical size of money is much larger for you, I bet you have a back pack wallet!:rolleyes:

PoliCon
02-01-2011, 07:34 PM
That is only in your eyes, the physical size of money is much larger for you, I bet you have a back pack wallet!:rolleyes:

and so what if I do. :mad::p

Novaheart
02-02-2011, 10:04 AM
You must have been there a long time ago. Chester gives Detroit and D.C. a run for its money on murders per capita. It's a shame...it once was a grand little city, now its crime ridden and drug ridden. Still some beautiful old houses, especially right as you come to Swarthmore. I worked there for a year when I was in law school and I was pretty scared every day that I had to get out of my car. It was the first time I ever bought cigarettes at a store where the clerk was behind bullet proof glass.

Every politician has a plan to revitalize it. Somehow the politicians and their friends make money from the plan and the residents remain poor.

1975

Novaheart
02-02-2011, 10:15 AM
Most every crime is based on who the victim is. Sometimes it might be because of their color, or gender, or place in society, others it may be because they are alone, or look timid or unable to defend themselves. You cannot undue past wrongs of the criminal justice system by creating a special status for certain victims, conferred upon them by leftist ideals. Hate crime laws are not about justice. It's social engineering leading purposely to further divisions in our society.

Just explore the possibilities of the use of the designation. Imagine a rich white dude who wants a minority car jacker given extra sentencing because he insists he was targeted because of his wealth or status.

As an earlier poster said, if hate crime laws were all about fairness and justice, why is there never a call for this charge when the parameters of the crime don't fit the expected scenarios?

The only thing I supported about hate-crimes as a special circumstance was the ability for a higher venue to step in and take over the prosecution if the victim or victim's family believed that local officials were not pursuing the case properly. That's not unreasonable when you consider the history of selective prosecution and good-old-boy treatment of certain crimes, criminals, and victims.

CueSi
02-02-2011, 12:14 PM
now WHY would you wish THAT??

Cause I'm tired of black people doing dumb shit and perpetuating a cycle of bad behavior.


I hate to say it, but the odds are they were black. Statistically, you probably ought to say a few more prayers.

I was hoping. Can you blame me?


Apparently she is from Nigeria. The kids that did the beating may have been a mix of whites and blacks. I guess the post racial America in that area may lead to joining together to commit petty violent crimes.

I don't know about the white kids, but it's an unspoken prejudice...non-American blacks and African-Americans do not always get along. I experienced it in middle school, coming from a background where education was somewhat prized (prolly true in this Nigerian kids case), that seeking good grades was seen as 'acting white', and you do the math. Maybe he fucks up the grading curve.

~QC

Novaheart
02-02-2011, 12:36 PM
I don't know about the white kids, but it's an unspoken prejudice...non-American blacks and African-Americans do not always get along. I experienced it in middle school, coming from a background where education was somewhat prized (prolly true in this Nigerian kids case), that seeking good grades was seen as 'acting white', and you do the math. Maybe he fucks up the grading curve.

~QC

Can you talk like a Valley Girl?

CueSi
02-02-2011, 01:21 PM
Can you talk like a Valley Girl?

Fer sure.

~QC

Phillygirl
02-02-2011, 02:12 PM
Cause I'm tired of black people doing dumb shit and perpetuating a cycle of bad behavior.



I was hoping. Can you blame me?



I don't know about the white kids, but it's an unspoken prejudice...non-American blacks and African-Americans do not always get along. I experienced it in middle school, coming from a background where education was somewhat prized (prolly true in this Nigerian kids case), that seeking good grades was seen as 'acting white', and you do the math. Maybe he fucks up the grading curve.

~QC

Yes, I'm aware of that prejudice. This area has it all....Irish toughs, blacks moving in from West Philly, and immigrants. It's seriously a tough tough area and the blacks and whites may have found their common ground with this kid...hatred of the foreigner. Who knows?

It actually doesn't seem to be as bad as initially portrayed. He wasn't hung from a tree...he was placed up on the spokes of an iron fence...I know I've seen that in movies. I'm certainly not excusing their behavior, but school kids get robbed at gun point there, so this isn't necessarily that much out of the ordinary.

Phillygirl
02-02-2011, 02:13 PM
1975

Oh. By the 80's the huge downward decline had begun. Chester used to be the main town for attorneys. Now I don't think there is one attorney left there.

noonwitch
02-03-2011, 09:41 AM
too poor to afford cable? :rolleyes: Where you been? Since when does that stop them? :rolleyes: I'm the only one in my neighborhood without cable and I'm the one with the largest income.


The projects in question didn't have hookups for cable. It was assumed that if one was poor enough to live there, and pay $30 a month in rent, one also didn't have enough money for cable. They've since torn those projects down, and I assume they will eventually be making it into a parking lot for the Motor City Casino.

It was a nasty place, though, even though my client kept her apartment clean. Drug dealing and domestic violence were always right out in the open. I never used my own car when I had to go there.

PoliCon
02-03-2011, 09:38 PM
The projects in question didn't have hookups for cable. It was assumed that if one was poor enough to live there, and pay $30 a month in rent, one also didn't have enough money for cable. They've since torn those projects down, and I assume they will eventually be making it into a parking lot for the Motor City Casino.

It was a nasty place, though, even though my client kept her apartment clean. Drug dealing and domestic violence were always right out in the open. I never used my own car when I had to go there.

thank GOD someone was thinking rationally when they built that set of projects. Too bad that rational thought does not carry very far into the rest of government.