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Jfor
01-31-2011, 04:02 PM
"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications," Vinson wrote.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/31/us-usa-healthcare-ruling-idUSTRE70U6RY20110131?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews

megimoo
01-31-2011, 04:18 PM
(Reuters) - A judge in Florida on Monday became the second judge to declare President Barack Obama's healthcare reform law unconstitutional, in the biggest legal challenge yet to federal authority to enact the law.

U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson, appointed to the bench by President Ronald Reagan in 1983, ruled that the reform law's so-called "individual mandate" went too far in requiring that Americans start buying health insurance in 2014 or pay a penalty."Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications," Vinson wrote.

He was referring to a key provision in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and sided with governors and attorneys general from 26 U.S. states, almost all of whom are Republicans, in declaring it unconstitutional. The issue will likely end up at the Supreme Court.The plaintiffs represent more than half the U.S. states, so the Pensacola case has more prominence than two dozen lawsuits filed in federal courts over the healthcare law.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/31/us-usa-healthcare-ruling-idUSTRE70U6RY20110131?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews

fettpett
01-31-2011, 04:21 PM
Now it can go before the SCOTUS and have the same ruling :D

ColonialMarine0431
01-31-2011, 04:45 PM
I went to DU (Democratic Underground) to see their take on this. As predicted, they are calling Judge Vinson an "actiivist Judge" and a "Tea Party stooge". One twit actually questioned whether mandating that people buy health insurance isn't the same as buying auto insurance. That mental midget is unaware that auto insurance is a state matter, not a federal matter.

Oh the stupidity of liberals.

Rebel Yell
01-31-2011, 04:48 PM
One twit actually questioned whether mandating that people buy health insurance isn't the same as buying auto insurance. That mental midget is unaware that auto insurance is a state matter, not a federal matter.

Plus, you don't have to own a vehicle.

ColonialMarine0431
01-31-2011, 04:54 PM
Plus, you don't have to own a vehicle.

They can always use the bus. As long as they sit in the back. :D

Odysseus
01-31-2011, 05:02 PM
"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void.

The Dems outsmarted themselves by taking what was essentially a draft of the law and passing it, rather than trying to get it through the normal process. By neglecting to include the severability language, they guaranteed that the negation of one segation would void the whole law.

Novaheart
01-31-2011, 05:16 PM
Pam Bondi has Public Option health insurance, as do all of the attorneys challenging health care reform.

fettpett
01-31-2011, 05:18 PM
I hate that argument "you have to buy auto insurance, they can make you buy health insurance" the two don't equate. such asinine bullshit

Odysseus
01-31-2011, 05:18 PM
Pam Bondi has Public Option health insurance, as do all of the attorneys challenging health care reform.

Then they know how much it sucks, don't they?

Novaheart
01-31-2011, 05:24 PM
Then they know how much it sucks, don't they?

That doesn't make sense. Perhaps I'm missing the humor there.

Odysseus
01-31-2011, 05:31 PM
That doesn't make sense. Perhaps I'm missing the humor there.

Not surprising.

Socialized medicine is miserable. Those who've been subjected to the tender mercies of a medical program that combines the bedside manner of the DMV and the warmth of the IRS are the most ardent opponents of it.

djones520
01-31-2011, 06:51 PM
I liked this part.


“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.

Rockntractor
01-31-2011, 07:05 PM
That doesn't make sense.

Isn't that the story of your life?:rolleyes:

Novaheart
01-31-2011, 07:58 PM
Not surprising.

Socialized medicine is miserable. Those who've been subjected to the tender mercies of a medical program that combines the bedside manner of the DMV and the warmth of the IRS are the most ardent opponents of it.

Are you saying that the US Army operates an inferior medical system?

malloc
01-31-2011, 08:11 PM
Are you saying that the US Army operates an inferior medical system?

Are you saying U.S. Army Medicine should be expanded to see to the medical needs of all U.S. citizens, or are you saying that health providers should no longer care for the overweight, out of shape, or old in the country? That is the comparison you are making whether you know it or not. The short answer is no, the Army doesn't run an inferior health system. The long answer is that the Army doesn't run a nationally socialized health care system designed to meet the needs of a general population.

There are many reasons military medicine operates with the quality and efficiency it does. First, it's clientele are generally in very good shape. The military has the ability to mandate height to weight and physical fitness standards across every potential patient enrolled in the military health care system. The patients are healthier in general and therefore need much less care. The U.S. Government will never have the type of tyrannical power to mandate these requirements for citizens. Secondly, military medicine has a taxpayer base of roughly 150 million funding the health care of just roughly 4 million. When you are talking about a national socialized medical system, you are asking 150 million taxpayers to fund the care of roughly 330 million. That's a huge difference in proportion. Lastly, a very, very large portion of military medicine's patients are very, very young, and thus don't have any medical problems that aren't trauma related. Soldiers might break their arms in training, or bust their nose in a bar fight, but cataracts, heart disease and pancreatic cancer generally isn't a concern for a vast majority of the clientele. If an enlistedman serves his 30 years and retires, he would be roughly 48 years old upon retirement. Most enlisted turn over and leave the military medical system long before this, while they are still in their 20's.

Rockntractor
01-31-2011, 08:16 PM
Are you saying that the US Army operates an inferior medical system?
They prepare food for the troops too, are you saying the government should have national cafeterias to feed everyone too?

fettpett
01-31-2011, 08:29 PM
They prepare food for the troops too, are you saying the government should have national cafeterias to feed everyone too?

he would say yes

djones520
01-31-2011, 08:32 PM
They prepare food for the troops too, are you saying the government should have national cafeterias to feed everyone too?

And they provide money for our housing. Guess the government should pay everyons rent.

Rockntractor
01-31-2011, 08:50 PM
And they provide money for our housing. Guess the government should pay everyons rent.

The heaters would be crappy, wouldn't they?:eek:

djones520
01-31-2011, 08:54 PM
The heaters would be crappy, wouldn't they?:eek:

Only if they were made in Russia.

lacarnut
01-31-2011, 10:31 PM
They can always use the bus. As long as they sit in the back. :D

I would rather give them roller skates and a rope and tell em to hold on tight.:rolleyes::rolleyes::)