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megimoo
02-06-2011, 12:34 AM
A man with a low IQ has been banned from having sex by a High Court judge who admitted the case raised questions about “civil liberties and personal autonomy”.....The 41 year-old had been in a relationship with a man whom he lived with and told officials “it would make me feel happy” for it to continue.....But his local council decided his “vigorous sex drive” was inappropriate and that with an IQ of 48 and a “moderate” learning disability, he did not understand what he was doing.

A psychiatrist involved in the case even tried to prevent the man being given sex education, on the grounds that it would leave him “confused”.......Mr Justice Mostyn said the case was “legally, intellectually and morally” complex as sex is “one of the most basic human functions” and the court must “tread especially carefully” when the state tries to curtail it......But he agreed that the man, known only as Alan, should not be allowed to have sex with anyone on the grounds that he did not have the mental capacity to understand the health risks associated with his actions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8301100/Court-bans-man-with-low-IQ-from-having-sex.html

djones520
02-06-2011, 01:00 AM
That is an EXTREMELY dangerous precedent.

CueSi
02-06-2011, 03:53 AM
That is an EXTREMELY dangerous precedent.

Quite. . . Christ... gays can get married, but lord help us if retards HAVE SEX!
<quits life>

~QC

megimoo
02-06-2011, 04:52 AM
Quite. . . Christ... gays can get married, but lord help us if retards HAVE SEX!
<quits life>

~QCI doubt it !

fettpett
02-06-2011, 09:09 AM
oy...this is what happens when a country gets rid of their guns....

Starbuck
02-06-2011, 02:53 PM
I concur with the court.


Under the Mental Capacity Act 2005, its judges have the power to make life or death decisions for people deemed to lack the intelligence to make them for themselves – such as ordering that they undergo surgery, have forced abortions, have life-support switched off or be forced to use contraception.
That's their law. We don't have a law like that, but they do.

Alan was also accused of making lewd gestures at children in a dentists’ surgery and on a bus, although no police action was taken.
OK. So one of the kids he was gesturing at was your 8 year old little girl. How would you feel?

the psychiatrist thought Alan “believed that babies were delivered by a stork or found under a bush”, and that “sex could give you spots or measles”.
And it has been demonstrated that Alan has no idea what he is doing.

The guy has an IQ of 48. You probably don't even know anyone with an IQ that low. Probably, he couldn't even be charged with a crime in the U.S. after he raped your daughter.

Apache
02-06-2011, 03:01 PM
I concur with the court.


That's their law. We don't have a law like that, but they do.

OK. So one of the kids he was gesturing at was your 8 year old little girl. How would you feel?

And it has been demonstrated that Alan has no idea what he is doing.

The guy has an IQ of 48. You probably don't even know anyone with an IQ that low. Probably, he couldn't even be charged with a crime in the U.S. after he raped your daughter.

I agree. For a different reason however...

The "man" he was having a relationship wth was clearly using him for his own gain. That "man" is taking advantage of a mental 5 year old... That sick bastard needs to be shot. :mad:

Novaheart
02-06-2011, 03:15 PM
Quite. . . Christ... gays can get married, but lord help us if retards HAVE SEX!
<quits life>

~QC

Hasn't there long been an out cry to stop LowQ folks from reproducing?

PoliCon
02-06-2011, 03:28 PM
so wait - am I reading this right - it's gay sex this retarded guy is having?

Rockntractor
02-06-2011, 03:32 PM
so wait - am I reading this right - it's gay sex this retarded guy is having?

That's it in a nut shell!

Apache
02-06-2011, 03:35 PM
Hasn't there long been an out cry to stop LowQ folks from reproducing?

Let's just gloss over the fact that he's being used for gay sex, right nova?

megimoo
02-06-2011, 03:35 PM
so wait - am I reading this right - it's gay sex this retarded guy is having?
Sharp... as usual !

Apache
02-06-2011, 03:37 PM
so wait - am I reading this right - it's gay sex this retarded guy is having?

Yeah, you know the persecuted "normal" gays, who are pure as the driven snow...:rolleyes:

Starbuck
02-06-2011, 05:04 PM
I agree. For a different reason however...

The "man" he was having a relationship wth was clearly using him for his own gain. That "man" is taking advantage of a mental 5 year old... That sick bastard needs to be shot. :mad:

That's a good point. Alan (IQ 48) is not in a meaningful relationship that would make any sense. And I think he is a danger to innocent people.
I'm not saying lock him up, and I don't know how to "prevent" him from having sex. But I sure am curious. Because I have seen some people that may fall in that same category.

Apache
02-06-2011, 05:12 PM
That's a good point. Alan (IQ 48) is not in a meaningful relationship that would make any sense. And I think he is a danger to innocent people.
I'm not saying lock him up, and I don't know how to "prevent" him from having sex. But I sure am curious. Because I have seen some people that may fall in that same category.

He's a danger now, because he was introduced to something that feels good. The man that introduced Alan to sex should be locked up as a predator. He couldn't even think past his own penis to foresee the problems he has created...

Novaheart
02-06-2011, 05:32 PM
Let's just gloss over the fact that he's being used for gay sex, right nova?

I don't know that he is being used. Sex and relationships have dynamics. I happen to think that a 30 year old bombshell married to a 60 year old millionaire is rightly suspected of being a whore. There are people who disagree. By the same token, there have been many literary references to "simple" or "cheerful" people of limited intellect married to people of greater intellect.

An IQ of 48 is not a drooling idiot, and this scale is not terribly precise. Comparing IQ to childhood development is also of limited use. A person's IQ remains the same over his lifetime, but his maturity increases over a lifetime. An adult with a 48 IQ is not a five year old child, he's an adult. There are adults with very low IQ who have jobs, families, responsibilities, etc... There are countries where the average IQ is only about 60. We happen to live in a country where there are a lot of very intelligent people.

Rockntractor
02-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Completely irrelivant but if Nova can do it so can I.
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/80700369.jpg

megimoo
02-06-2011, 05:42 PM
Completely irrelivant but if Nova can do it so can I.
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/80700369.jpgWhere in the world do you find those things ?

Rockntractor
02-06-2011, 05:44 PM
Where in the world do you find those things ?

Kitty porn.:D

Apache
02-06-2011, 06:03 PM
I don't know that he is being used. Sex and relationships have dynamics. I happen to think that a 30 year old bombshell married to a 60 year old millionaire is rightly suspected of being a whore. There are people who disagree. By the same token, there have been many literary references to "simple" or "cheerful" people of limited intellect married to people of greater intellect.

An IQ of 48 is not a drooling idiot, and this scale is not terribly precise. Comparing IQ to childhood development is also of limited use. A person's IQ remains the same over his lifetime, but his maturity increases over a lifetime. An adult with a 48 IQ is not a five year old child, he's an adult. There are adults with very low IQ who have jobs, families, responsibilities, etc... There are countries where the average IQ is only about 60. We happen to live in a country where there are a lot of very intelligent people.


There is no intellectual honesty with you, is there? You know, I know, everyone here knows, that man was being used for the purpose of sexual gratification of a predatory pervert.

Had Alan been brought up on murder and sentenced to death, you and your ilk would be SCREAMING that he's a child, but the fact that its gay sex, the story is different...

Novaheart
02-06-2011, 06:57 PM
There is no intellectual honesty with you, is there? .

Your definition of intellectual honesty ought to be interesting, since it clearly wouldn't include objectivity.


You know, I know, everyone here knows, that man was being used for the purpose of sexual gratification of a predatory pervert.
.

I don't know that, and neither do you. All we know is that a judge decided to step in and tell an adult he's too stupid to have a relationship. You of all people should find that disturbing.

PoliCon
02-06-2011, 10:59 PM
Sharp... as usual !

What are you going to do since the judge won't let you have sex?

Rockntractor
02-06-2011, 11:02 PM
What are you going to do since the judge won't let you have sex?

Just like you, if the law stops him, he'll take things into his own hands.

PoliCon
02-06-2011, 11:05 PM
Just like you, if the law stops him, he'll take things into his own hands.

I always had someone else to do it for me thank you very much. :p

Odysseus
02-06-2011, 11:08 PM
Hasn't there long been an out cry to stop LowQ folks from reproducing?
Yes, and we appreciate your taking yourself out of the gene pool.

Your definition of intellectual honesty ought to be interesting, since it clearly wouldn't include objectivity.

I don't know that, and neither do you. All we know is that a judge decided to step in and tell an adult he's too stupid to have a relationship. You of all people should find that disturbing.

It's not that new a precedent. Mentally retarded individuals are assumed to lack the foundation to give consent to all sorts of things. A person with an IQ of 48 would not be permitted to enter into a business contract without a guardian or trustee ensuring that his interests were represented. Sex requires consenting adults, and a person with a mental age below the age of consent cannot, by definition, give it.

BTW, while we are on the subject, do your trustees know that you are at the computer again?

Starbuck
02-06-2011, 11:31 PM
..........Mentally retarded individuals are assumed to lack the foundation to give consent to all sorts of things. A person with an IQ of 48 would not be permitted to enter into a business contract without a guardian or trustee ensuring that his interests were represented. Sex requires consenting adults, and a person with a mental age below the age of consent cannot, by definition, give it..............

Right. At that level they have a hard time fitting into the 21st century. Maybe even impossible..........But LORDY, don't take away their right to vote!:)

lacarnut
02-06-2011, 11:46 PM
The guy has an IQ of 48. You probably don't even know anyone with an IQ that low. Probably, he couldn't even be charged with a crime in the U.S. after he raped your daughter.

Many democrats would fit in that under 48 IQ category. If they can not push a hole all the way thru a chad, they should not be allowed to vote or reproduce.

CueSi
02-07-2011, 12:10 AM
I doubt it !

It's the UK. . .you tell me if gay marriage is legal there.


Hasn't there long been an out cry to stop LowQ folks from reproducing?

Yeah...but to me, intelligence isn't always genetic. Einsteins parents weren't raving geniuses, so putting that clause into law seemed... silly.

~QC

AmPat
02-07-2011, 12:26 AM
That's it in a nut shell!


Court Bans Man With Low IQ From Having Sex
This would normally trigger my conservative-freedom from govt tyranny nerves. However, it could set a positive precedent. Imagine, outlaw sex for low IQ citizens and it is a simple matter to outlaw sex for DIMoRATs and Liberals. They too are simple-minded. We could be on the road to recovery and prosperity within a couple of decades.

Novaheart
02-07-2011, 12:34 AM
Yes, and we appreciate your taking yourself out of the gene pool.


It's not that new a precedent. Mentally retarded individuals are assumed to lack the foundation to give consent to all sorts of things. A person with an IQ of 48 would not be permitted to enter into a business contract without a guardian or trustee ensuring that his interests were represented. Sex requires consenting adults, and a person with a mental age below the age of consent cannot, by definition, give it.

BTW, while we are on the subject, do your trustees know that you are at the computer again?

The Light in the Piazza is a 1962 film adaptation of the Elizabeth Spencer novel of the same title. It was directed by Guy Green and distributed by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.

The film starred Olivia de Havilland as American Meg Johnson and Yvette Mimieux as her 26-year-old daughter, Clara. Clara was involved in an accident as a young girl and as a result, still has the mentality of a child. During the summer of 1953, while visiting Rome and Florence, Clara meets and falls in love with Fabrizio Naccarelli, played by George Hamilton. Fabrizio is blinded by his love for Clara and believes her to simply be naive. Meg spends the trip trying to keep the two lovers apart and fearing that Fabrizio or his family will discover the truth about her daughter.

Rockntractor
02-07-2011, 01:00 AM
The Light in the Piazza is a 1962 film adaptation of the Elizabeth Spencer novel of the same title. It was directed by Guy Green and distributed by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.

The film starred Olivia de Havilland as American Meg Johnson and Yvette Mimieux as her 26-year-old daughter, Clara. Clara was involved in an accident as a young girl and as a result, still has the mentality of a child. During the summer of 1953, while visiting Rome and Florence, Clara meets and falls in love with Fabrizio Naccarelli, played by George Hamilton. Fabrizio is blinded by his love for Clara and believes her to simply be naive. Meg spends the trip trying to keep the two lovers apart and fearing that Fabrizio or his family will discover the truth about her daughter.

Did you know that fluorescents use less energy than incandescent bulbs?

Novaheart
02-07-2011, 01:04 AM
Did you know that fluorescents use less energy than incandescent bulbs?

The water in Fenwick Island turns scotch black.

Rockntractor
02-07-2011, 01:16 AM
The water in Fenwick Island turns scotch black.

Which has the same relevance as your post above. Movies are not real life jack ass!

Novaheart
02-07-2011, 01:38 AM
Which has the same relevance as your post above. Movies are not real life jack ass!

The movie explores the cultural differences in which the young woman would be considered defective in America, but in Italy she was considered sweet and well mannered. It's discussed that in Italy she could be married to a man who didn't expect her to be his intellectual equal.

We don't seem to have a problem with great differences in intellect as long as it's a pushy little smart mouthed woman and her big dumb adorable husband, or a man with a simpleminded wife as long as she's a 38D with a 23 inch waist.

The most damning thing in that article was that Alan thought that babies come from The Stork, that sex can give you spots, and that he made a lewd gesture in front of some children. The first two things are great commentary on how stupid some smart people can be, and the third one is unreliable given that he was not punished and we have no idea what qualifies as lewd in the British lexicon; it might not even rate as such here.

I'll grant you that I am playing the devil's advocate here and I would think that the family of such a person would be quite protective. I have a second cousin who has been sheltered all of her life because she's borderline retarded. She's lovely, and in another day and time she would probably have made someone a loving and competent wife, even if sparkling conversation wouldn't have been one of her talents.
I can't honestly see myself with someone who isn't brilliant, but then we weren't told in the article what the boyfriend is like.

Madisonian
02-07-2011, 09:01 AM
Obama and most of Congress must be worried that this could catch on over here.
But they will still have the American people to fuck, even if they can't do the same to their spouse.

noonwitch
02-07-2011, 09:05 AM
I agree. For a different reason however...

The "man" he was having a relationship wth was clearly using him for his own gain. That "man" is taking advantage of a mental 5 year old... That sick bastard needs to be shot. :mad:


That's kind of how I see it, too.


I've seen a lot of cases, mostly involving women with low IQs, where predatory men take advantage of them. Not only that, in this country, the women get SSI and the guy will manipulate his way into being named her representative payee. Then, if he impregnates her, she will also be eligible for welfare and food stamps for the kid. He ends up collecting it all, until someone reports him.

This is even more effective with schizophrenic women, because they frequently have lost contact with their relatives, who would be most likely to intervene.

Odysseus
02-07-2011, 09:50 AM
The Light in the Piazza is a 1962 film adaptation of the Elizabeth Spencer novel of the same title. It was directed by Guy Green and distributed by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.

The film starred Olivia de Havilland as American Meg Johnson and Yvette Mimieux as her 26-year-old daughter, Clara. Clara was involved in an accident as a young girl and as a result, still has the mentality of a child. During the summer of 1953, while visiting Rome and Florence, Clara meets and falls in love with Fabrizio Naccarelli, played by George Hamilton. Fabrizio is blinded by his love for Clara and believes her to simply be naive. Meg spends the trip trying to keep the two lovers apart and fearing that Fabrizio or his family will discover the truth about her daughter.
Okay, you can copy and paste a movie review... :rolleyes:

The movie explores the cultural differences in which the young woman would be considered defective in America, but in Italy she was considered sweet and well mannered. It's discussed that in Italy she could be married to a man who didn't expect her to be his intellectual equal.
I'm sure that in an Islamic state, she'd have been considered the perfect wife, too. And, while we are discussing this work of fiction, let's remember that in the plot synopsis, "Fabrizio is blinded by his love for Clara and believes her to simply be naive." If he knew that her mental state was the result of an accident, and that she would never develop further, would he still have loved her, or would he, as a decent and honorable man, withdrawn and not taken advantage of her?


We don't seem to have a problem with great differences in intellect as long as it's a pushy little smart mouthed woman and her big dumb adorable husband, or a man with a simpleminded wife as long as she's a 38D with a 23 inch waist.
As long as they meet the minimum standards for marriage, we don't. The minimum standards are the capacity to give consent, before the law, which means being above the age of consent or having parental consent in the case of a minor. The other requirement is that it be a man and a woman, which is the real problem that you have with it. Deal with it.


The most damning thing in that article was that Alan thought that babies come from The Stork, that sex can give you spots, and that he made a lewd gesture in front of some children. The first two things are great commentary on how stupid some smart people can be, and the third one is unreliable given that he was not punished and we have no idea what qualifies as lewd in the British lexicon; it might not even rate as such here.

I'll grant you that I am playing the devil's advocate here and I would think that the family of such a person would be quite protective. I have a second cousin who has been sheltered all of her life because she's borderline retarded. She's lovely, and in another day and time she would probably have made someone a loving and competent wife, even if sparkling conversation wouldn't have been one of her talents.
I can't honestly see myself with someone who isn't brilliant, but then we weren't told in the article what the boyfriend is like.
He's having sex with a mentally retarded man. What do you think he's like?


That's kind of how I see it, too.

I've seen a lot of cases, mostly involving women with low IQs, where predatory men take advantage of them. Not only that, in this country, the women get SSI and the guy will manipulate his way into being named her representative payee. Then, if he impregnates her, she will also be eligible for welfare and food stamps for the kid. He ends up collecting it all, until someone reports him.

This is even more effective with schizophrenic women, because they frequently have lost contact with their relatives, who would be most likely to intervene.

It's like those men (and I use the term loosely) who date teenage girls who are physically developed, but too young to know what they are doing. The girls are flattered by the attention, but don't understand that they are being exploited.

bijou
02-07-2011, 11:56 AM
The newspaper summary, of necessity, doesn't give all the details. Here's a full report of the case which some may find interesting
A 41 year old male ('A') with a learning disability in the 'moderate' range, and described as seriously challenged in all aspects of his mental functionality, who received constant supervision in a local authority placement, had developed a sexual relationship with his male cohabitant. The local authority, who had also received two reports that A had displayed sexually inappropriate conduct with children, applied to the court seeking a declaration that A lacked capacity to consent to sexual relations and an order restricting contact between A and his cohabitant.

Interim orders were made to this effect and A was moved to new accommodation. The matter came before Mostyn J, who considered recent case law on the issue, in which Munby J had set out that capacity to consent to sexual relations was directed to the nature of the activity rather than to the identity of the sexual partner. He then considered whether the position had changed since the coming into force of the Mental Capacity Act 2005 and the recent House of Lords judgment in R v Cooper [2009] UKHL 42, in which the reasoning of Munby J had been doubted in obiter comments by Baroness Hale.

In determining that the capacity to consent to sex was act-specific rather than partner-specific, he concluded that Baroness Hale appeared to have conflated the questions of capacity to consent to sex and the exercise of that capacity.

The necessary elements involved in the question of capacity to consent to sex were then considered. The judge concluded that capacity required an understanding of 1) the mechanics of the act; 2) the fact that there were health risks involved; and 3) the possibility that sex between a man and a woman may result in the woman becoming pregnant. It did not, however, require an understanding that 1) only adults over the age of 16 should do it; 2) both (or all) parties needed to consent to it; or 3) sex was part of having relationships with people and may have emotional consequences.

Since it was accepted that A failed on the necessary criteria, the judge made a declaration that he did not have capacity to consent to and engage in sexual relations, and ordered a continuance of his supervision. The declaration was made on an interim basis in order that the local authority could provide A with sex education in the hope that he gained capacity. This would satisfy the provision of s.1(3) MCA 2005 which required that "all practicable steps" should be taken to help a person make a decision before concluding that they could not.

Judgment
Mr Justice Mostyn:
1. I shall call the person the subject of these proceedings "Alan". The primary issue in this case is this: what is the legal test to be applied in determining whether Alan has the mental capacity to consent to sexual relations? Counsel are divided on what that test should be. The secondary issue is, if I determine that Alan does not presently have the requisite capacity (whatever it is), whether I should make final declarations to that effect, as contended for by the local authority; or, as contended for by the Official Solicitor, interim declarations coupled with an order that the local authority do provide Alan with sex education in the hope that he thereby gains that capacity. On that footing the matter would be returned to Court after a period for a review in order to see what progress the education is making, with a view to making final declarations at that point.

2. Alan has been represented by the Official Solicitor, instructing Mr Vikram Sachdeva. The local authority has been represented by Mr Joseph O'Brien. Both are counsel of high experience in this field. I heard oral evidence from a distinguished psychiatrist Dr Ian Hall. His evidence was clear and forceful. Both counsel made compelling, economical and clear submissions. The issue is highly complex - legally, intellectually and morally. The excellence of the representation and the quality of the evidence has not made my task any easier.

3. The story is easily told. Alan is 41. He has a "moderate" learning disability. His IQ is assessed at 48. In terms of classification an IQ in the range 50-70 is a "mild" learning disability. 35 – 50 is "moderate". 20 – 35 is "severe". Under 20 is "profound". The percentage of the population that is IQ 50 or fewer is under ½ %. That said, it is a sizeable number.

4. Alan is seriously challenged in all aspects of his mental functionality.

5. Prior to the commencement of the proceedings in July 2009 Alan had shared a home with a man whom I shall call "Kieron" in accommodation provided by the local authority. Alan received a care package that included constant supervision within placement and in the community. Alan was sociable and presented as an able man. He had, and has, a vigorous sex drive. This has led to sexual relations with persons of both genders, although it is not suggested that Alan has ever had heterosexual coitus.

6. At some point Alan was reported to have developed a sexual relationship with Kieron which involved penetrative anal sex. In his oral evidence Dr Hall explained that to his understanding Alan's sexual activity involved kissing, mutual masturbation; oral sex (both active and passive); and anal sex (again, both active and passive).

7. In addition to the relationship between Alan and Kieron, two events involving Alan in 2008 prompted the local authority to make this application.

i) On 12 September 2008 a young boy in a dentist's waiting area observed a man touching his groin, licking his lips and was then asked by the man for his name. The dentist's diary showed that Alan was due for an appointment at that time.

ii) On 10 September 2008 two girls aged 9 and 10 stated that when travelling on a bus a man had commented upon their physical appearance, touched their upper legs and then attempted to look up their skirts. The police were notified. On 4 October 2008 these two girls were travelling on the bus once again, as was Alan. The girls notified the bus driver who also notified the police. Alan was then taken to the police station and questioned. However, the police decided that no further action should be taken against him.

8. On 10 June 2009 these proceedings were commenced. They sought a declaration that Alan lacked capacity to consent to sexual relations and an order authorising a restriction of contact between Alan and Kieron (and between Alan and another person) so as to prevent further sexual relations taking place. On 1 July 2009 District Judge Mainwaring Taylor made interim declarations and orders to this effect. Since then Alan has been subjected to close supervision to prevent any further sexual activity on his part, other than private masturbation, which he is allowed to perform in the bathroom or in his bedroom.

9. Alan now has his own accommodation, where he is closely supervised. His relationship with Kieron has ended. The evidence of the local authority is that he has thrived in his new placement and has not expressed any wish to resume sexual activity. On the other hand, he has asked a representative of the Official Solicitor to ask me, the judge, to allow him to have sex again. When asked how he would feel if the judge would allow him to do "these things" once again, he said "it would make me feel happy". He said, as regards the persons under discussion, "say I want to kiss them again".
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Continued here:

http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed79322

jnkbortka
04-14-2011, 09:10 PM
Hasn't there long been an out cry to stop LowQ folks from reproducing?

yea, sterilize them. not the just low IQ ones, but the ones who are medically diagnosed with mental retardation so they cant pass on the retarded gene. it wont make them unhappy because they don't know what it is.


Yeah, you know the persecuted "normal" gays, who are pure as the driven snow...:rolleyes:

HAHAHA exactly :P


Where in the world do you find those things ?

thats what I wanna know! lol

Madisonian
04-14-2011, 09:25 PM
yea, sterilize them. not the just low IQ ones, but the ones who are medically diagnosed with mental retardation so they cant pass on the retarded gene. it wont make them unhappy because they don't know what it is.


Be careful there. Sometimes it skips a generation and your kids could turn out OK.

Sonnabend
04-14-2011, 10:35 PM
He's a Rondroid, it's congenital.

fettpett
04-14-2011, 11:02 PM
Be careful there. Sometimes it skips a generation and your kids could turn out OK.

yep, happens quite often

BTW jnkbortka, why the hell do you keep rezing thread? this is like the 5th one

hazlnut
04-14-2011, 11:07 PM
A man with a low IQ has been banned from having sex by a High Court judge who admitted the case raised questions about “civil liberties and personal autonomy”.....The 41 year-old had been in a relationship with a man whom he lived with and told officials “it would make me feel happy” for it to continue.....But his local council decided his “vigorous sex drive” was inappropriate and that with an IQ of 48 and a “moderate” learning disability, he did not understand what he was doing.

A psychiatrist involved in the case even tried to prevent the man being given sex education, on the grounds that it would leave him “confused”.......Mr Justice Mostyn said the case was “legally, intellectually and morally” complex as sex is “one of the most basic human functions” and the court must “tread especially carefully” when the state tries to curtail it......But he agreed that the man, known only as Alan, should not be allowed to have sex with anyone on the grounds that he did not have the mental capacity to understand the health risks associated with his actions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8301100/Court-bans-man-with-low-IQ-from-having-sex.html

I think you should totally fight this Megs. All the way to the highest court.
Did the judge also say you can't beat off?:eek:

jnkbortka
04-14-2011, 11:34 PM
yep, happens quite often

BTW jnkbortka, why the hell do you keep rezing thread? this is like the 5th one

Idk, I see an issue that i think i can give an argument against what is being said, and I post lol

jnkbortka
04-14-2011, 11:45 PM
Be careful there. Sometimes it skips a generation and your kids could turn out OK.

oh come on, its not like sterilizing criminals, which has no genetic basis. and it's also not like aborting a baby because it is retarded. why should mentally challenged people have children which they wont be able to take care of?

fettpett
04-15-2011, 10:50 AM
Idk, I see an issue that i think i can give an argument against what is being said, and I post lol

then why not start a new thread? pretty bad forum etiquette to zombie rez threads, unless you're looking for a specific thing in a help forum but w/e you're still a kid

Odysseus
04-15-2011, 02:52 PM
I think you should totally fight this Megs. All the way to the highest court.
Did the judge also say you can't beat off?:eek:
That joke's been used. See below. And try to keep up. It's not like this thread hasn't been around long enough for you to scroll back.

Yes, and we appreciate your taking yourself out of the gene pool.

It's not that new a precedent. Mentally retarded individuals are assumed to lack the foundation to give consent to all sorts of things. A person with an IQ of 48 would not be permitted to enter into a business contract without a guardian or trustee ensuring that his interests were represented. Sex requires consenting adults, and a person with a mental age below the age of consent cannot, by definition, give it.

BTW, while we are on the subject, do your trustees know that you are at the computer again?