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The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 08:46 AM
Scientists Report Further Shrinking of Arctic Ice
Area Is Close To All-Time Low

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 27, 2008; Page A03

Arctic sea ice has shrunk to the second-lowest level since record-keeping began three decades ago, a group of international researchers determined yesterday, a revelation underscoring how rapidly climate change is transforming ecosystems in northern latitudes.

The extent of Arctic sea ice is now 2 million square miles below the long-term average for Aug. 26, according to the International Arctic Research Center and the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency, a figure that is within 400,000 square miles of the all-time record low set in September 2007. This figure is already below the long-term average for September ice cover and because the ice traditionally reaches its minimum level in mid-September, researchers warned that a new low might be recorded within weeks.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), which independently analyzes Arctic ice cover, will announce today that it has reached the same conclusion, based on a five-day mean of satellite measurements.

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603014.html?hpid=topnews

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 08:58 AM
http://www.eclectecon.com/posts/1191166676.shtml

Tsk tsk Owl


While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed in recent years and ice near it diminished during the Southern Hemisphere summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder and ice elsewhere has been more extensive and longer lasting, which explains the increase in total extent. This dichotomy was shown in this World Climate Report blog posted recently with a similar tale told in this paper by Ohio State Researcher David Bromwich, who agreed “It’s hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now”.

Indeed, according the NASA GISS data, the South Pole winter (June/July/August) has cooled about 1 degree F since 1957 and the coldest year was 2004....

This winter has been an especially harsh one in the Southern Hemisphere with cold and snow records set in Australia, South America and Africa.

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:04 AM
"Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions....By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine". Peter Gunter, a professor at North Texas State University. Spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness.
Many alarmists were convinced that the Cassini space probe would crash into the Earth on August 18. Some even went so far as to say it would poison a third of the world's population with its plutonium, fulfilling the prophecy of Revelation 8:11 concerning a star named Wormwood -- supposedly a metaphor for radiation poisoning ("Chernobylnik" is the Ukrainian word for a purple-stemmed subspecies of the wormwood plant). But as expected, Cassini passed by the Earth without a hitch.

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 09:09 AM
http://www.eclectecon.com/posts/1191166676.shtml

Tsk tsk Owl

Okay. I give up. Why is a blog post from October of 2007 relevant?

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 09:15 AM
Many alarmists were convinced that the Cassini space probe would crash into the Earth on August 18. Some even went so far as to say it would poison a third of the world's population with its plutonium, fulfilling the prophecy of Revelation 8:11 concerning a star named Wormwood -- supposedly a metaphor for radiation poisoning ("Chernobylnik" is the Ukrainian word for a purple-stemmed subspecies of the wormwood plant). But as expected, Cassini passed by the Earth without a hitch.

Okay. I give up. What does the Cassini space probe have to do with global warming?

Rebel Yell
08-28-2008, 09:18 AM
Scientists Report Further Shrinking of Arctic Ice
Area Is Close To All-Time Low

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 27, 2008; Page A03

Arctic sea ice has shrunk to the second-lowest level since record-keeping began three decades ago, a group of international researchers determined yesterday, a revelation underscoring how rapidly climate change is transforming ecosystems in northern latitudes.

The extent of Arctic sea ice is now 2 million square miles below the long-term average for Aug. 26, according to the International Arctic Research Center and the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency, a figure that is within 400,000 square miles of the all-time record low set in September 2007. This figure is already below the long-term average for September ice cover and because the ice traditionally reaches its minimum level in mid-September, researchers warned that a new low might be recorded within weeks.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), which independently analyzes Arctic ice cover, will announce today that it has reached the same conclusion, based on a five-day mean of satellite measurements.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603014.html?hpid=topnews

bLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Global Warming BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH No God BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Ice Caps BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH stupid fundies BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Proof BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH No Proof BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

I think that just about sums it up.;)

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 09:22 AM
bLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Global Warming BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH No God BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Ice Caps BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH stupid fundies BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Proof BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH No Proof BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

I think that just about sums it up.;)

Yes. I think you've summed up your position nicely.

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:22 AM
Climate porn (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5236482.stm)

More climate porn (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24253972-2,00.html)


Sign of the times or just climate porn?

By Matthew Warren

August 28, 2008 06:00am
Article from: The Australian

BY Christmas Eve in 2012, no rain has fallen in Sydney for more than 200 days and, despite its new desalination plant, the emerald city has run out of drinking water. The effects of climate change have created the conditions for a ring of bushfires that surround the city, but authorities don't have enough water to put them out.

And one Aussie asks quite frankly why they cant put the fire out with sea water

This is the plot synopsis for the Nine Network's new tele-feature experiment called Scorched, which will screen nationally in prime time on Sunday night. Promoters have hailed the production a "major television event" with an all-star cast, fake news broadcasts from authentic Nine newsreaders and a comprehensive supporting website.

'It's armageddon'

It's bullshit panic merchanting.

"Mother nature is on the warpath. It's armageddon," the publicity kit modestly proclaims. Media previews have described the plot as "scarily plausible". Director Tony Tilse claims the idea of a city running out of water is "basically a true story, but it just hasn't happened yet".

Oh, really? Perhaps what is more scarily plausible is that the producers of the program didn't bother to speak to Sydney Water or the Sydney Catchment Authority before going to air. They would have discovered that even in the worst-case scenario, Sydney already has enough water in its huge network of catchments to meet demand until 2014. The city's new desalination plant will come on line by 2010 and will be able to supply 15 per cent of Sydney's demand, but has been designed to quickly double its capacity to a half-billion litres of water a day.

In other words, the film is a blatant lie designed to panic people

Scorched is the headline act in a wave of climate porn to hit Australia in coming weeks. In 2006, Britain's Institute for Public Policy Research reviewed media, government and activist reporting of climate change and found it to be confusing, contradictory and chaotic, leaving the public feeling disempowered and uncompelled to act. Most notable was the tendency to use alarmist language, or climate porn, which offered "a thrilling spectacle but ultimately distances the public from the problem".

Scorched producer Kylie Du Fresne says the telemovie is not meant to be seen as a documentary, but admits "we were interested in blurring the lines between fact and fiction". A water disaster of this magnitude is like being run over by a steamroller. It's possible, but only if you do nothing. Sydney Water spokesman Brendan Elliott says the plot is "truly a work of fiction".

A polite way of saying it is so full of shit we got complaints from Canada about the smell

Given it's Sydney Water's primary job to make sure the city doesn't run out of water in the face of population growth and climate change, it's not surprising they have a range of strategies to keep moving in the face of the steamroller. These include desalination, increased water recycling and increased conservation programs.

Water Services Association chief executive Ross Young says he is concerned the show might spark a wave of panicked callers to water authorities on Monday morning. "It's very important that the program is clearly labelled a drama and not a documentary," he tells The Australian. "Even though the chances of climate change are significant, there are processes in place to manage the consequences.

Like that other magnumopus, the Day after Tomorrow..in case you hadn't known it, the only way for that scenario to happen is if the earth started rotating the other way and at the same time you revoked all three laws of thermodynamics

"The bottom line is our cities are not going to run out of water."

The bottom line is it, like your bullshit story above Owl, is more panic merchanting.

Climate porn is the latest manifestation of infotainment that flourishes in the no man's land between fiction and nonfiction: dramas loosely based on factual events and the communication of often credible and important ideas and theories sexed up with an extra dose of dramatic licence.

On October 30, 1938, Orson Welles caused panic across the US when he broadcast a dramatisation of the H.G. Wells novel The War of the Worlds. Like Scorched, the radio broadcast used simulated news broadcasts to create an aura of authenticity; some of the program's six million listeners thought there was a Martian invasion in progress.

Climate disaster movies date back to the release of Soylent Green in 1973. The dystopian science-fiction film is set in a severely over-populated and overheated (as a result of climate change) New York in 2022 facing chronic food shortages. Charlton Heston plays a detective who discovers to his horror that the newest food substitute (Soylent Green) is made by reprocessing dead people.

Then in 1995, Kevin Costner starred in the box-office flop Waterworld, a kind of climate-change crisis meets Mad Max movie set in a futuristic Earth where the polar ice caps have melted and the few survivors sail around or live on floating islands, inevitably fighting with each other.

The most explicit climate porn may well be the 2004 blockbuster The Day After Tomorrow. Released two years before Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, it grossed 10 times more at the box office. Melting ice sheets and glaciers caused the Altantic Ocean currents to stop suddenly, plunging the entire northern hemisphere into a deep snap-freeze. The film was derided by most climate scientists and highlighted the real problem with creating drama about the effects of climate change: in reality the changes are not sudden, but slow and insidious.

In a review, US paleoclimatologist William Hyde observed: "This movie is to climate science as Frankenstein is to heart transplant surgery."

But even a genuine attempt to explain the science, such as An Inconvenient Truth, sailed close to the wind at times in order to sustain the level of drama in what is basically a 90-minute lecture.

Uh, "An Inconvenient Truth" was in fact an Inconvenient LIE.

In one example, Gore made much of the devastating impacts of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans as a portent of increased natural disasters caused by a warming climate.

The main cause of New Orleans' flooding was a poorly maintained system of levees holding back the Mississippi River and surrounding lakes. But holding this aside, scientists are still arguing over whether Gore's claim is actually true. Despite predictions to the contrary, the two subsequent hurricane seasons on the US Atlantic coast were well below average.

What relevance does all of this have?

Simple, this AGW horseshit is another in a long line of horseshit doomsday predictions Not listening, not interested,. go peddle it elsewhere

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:26 AM
Okay. I give up. What does the Cassini space probe have to do with global warming?

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Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:27 AM
http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/fearmongore.png

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:29 AM
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Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:30 AM
http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/al-gore-plane.gif

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 09:31 AM
http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/gasguzzleroscars.gif

That's pretty funny. Beside the point... but funny nonetheless.

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:37 AM
That's pretty funny. Beside the point... but funny nonetheless.

It IS the point. Those who do not practise what they preach, should not be surprised when those they preach to call them what they are: liars and hypocrites.

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 09:46 AM
It IS the point. Those who do not practise what they preach, should not be surprised when those they preach to call them what they are: liars and hypocrites.

Assuming that Al Gore is a hypocrite, his being a hypocrite has no bearing whatsoever on what the sea ice in the Arctic is doing. The only reason you're bringing up Gore is because talking about Gore is easier than talking about the sea ice.

Rebel Yell
08-28-2008, 09:47 AM
Yes. I think you've summed up your position nicely.

That's actually a condensed version of all you threads.;)

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 09:54 AM
Assuming that Al Gore is a hypocrite, his being a hypocrite has no bearing whatsoever on what the sea ice in the Arctic is doing.

He's a liar, this report is bullshit, Man has little or nothing to do with it, its a natural occurrence and there is no call for more panic merchanting.


The only reason you're bringing up Gore is because talking about Gore is easier than talking about the sea ice.

He is full of it, and the "sea ice" report is just more scaremongering.

Funny, I dont remember seeing this crap before Gore opened his big yap..now everyone is on the gravy train...there was another "scientific report" that advised that the Loch Ness monster was dead because of global warming. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Go peddle it on DU.

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 09:57 AM
He's a liar, this report is bullshit, Man has little or nothing to do with it, its a natural occurrence and there is no call for more panic merchanting.

So, the science is settled, right?

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 10:00 AM
Animation of the situation in the Arctic...

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20080825_Figure3.mov

And, Arctic sea ice news...

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 10:08 AM
So, the science is settled, right?

No. Not for another hundred years, maybe more. Another of the "climate scientists" claims is that we "only have ten years left"...we had "ten years left" in 2002, we had "ten years left" in 2006 we had "ten years left"..

..whats that screeching sound? Oh yeah, the goalposts being moved as the disaster mongers change their dates yet again, when the facts prove their "models" bear as much resemblance to reality, as steak does to a shit sandwich.

All that's missing is the obligatory unwashed, bearded tramp with the sandwich board over his head. :rolleyes:

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 10:11 AM
No. Not for another hundred years, maybe more. Another of the "climate scientists" claims is that we "only have ten years left"...we had "ten years left" in 2002, we had "ten years left" in 2006 we had "ten years left"...

For someone who claims that the science isn't settled, you seem certain that global warming is not the result of human activities. I've acknowledged that I might be wrong about global warming. Do you acknowledge that you might be wrong about global warming?

Sonnabend
08-28-2008, 10:19 AM
For someone who claims that the science isn't settled, you seem certain that global warming is not the result of human activities. I've acknowledged that I might be wrong about global warming. Do you acknowledge that you might be wrong about global warming?

I admit that I take the whole thing with a pinch of salt the size of Lots wife. I am more cynical of the AGW crap because I have heard it all before.

I don't listen to panic mongers or doomsayers, Gore lied, so anything he says is suspect, the IPCC has their own bullshit agendas, and I trust the UN about as far as I'd trust Bill Clinton to keep it zipped for five minutes at a time.

I find it funny that no one made a peep out of this before Gore's movie, so that leads me to the conclusion this is all hysteria.

LogansPapa
08-28-2008, 10:32 AM
I've acknowledged that I might be wrong about global warming. Do you acknowledge that you might be wrong about global warming?

Thanks for the attempt. But trying to teach a chimp to play a Stradivarius is a waste of resource, my friend. ;)

The Night Owl
08-28-2008, 11:39 AM
I find it funny that no one made a peep out of this before Gore's movie, so that leads me to the conclusion this is all hysteria.

Not true. The first IPCC Assessment Report came out in 1990. An Inconvenient Truth came out in 2006.

Scientists have been studying global warming for long time but the media has only recently begun to report their findings.

wilbur
08-28-2008, 11:45 AM
He's a liar, this report is bullshit, Man has little or nothing to do with it, its a natural occurrence and there is no call for more panic merchanting.


The people who are actually athorities on this subject say different. And I'm not talking about Al Gore.



He is full of it, and the "sea ice" report is just more scaremongering.


The sea ice report is just a report on the sea ice for fucks sake. A pretty historical and significant climate event, no matter what the cause.



Funny, I dont remember seeing this crap before Gore opened his big yap..now everyone is on the gravy train...there was another "scientific report" that advised that the Loch Ness monster was dead because of global warming. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Go peddle it on DU.

I think Al Gore is full of shit, and that AGW is likely. Science doesn't work by party affiliation.