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Odysseus
02-16-2011, 05:07 PM
A VERY modern wedding: Sex-swap ex-fireman weds a lesbian Jamaican 30 years younger than her (and it's the fourth time she's tied the knot)

By Andy Dolan
Last updated at 12:26 AM on 12th February 2011
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356137/A-VERY-modern-wedding-Sex-swap-ex-fireman-weds-fourth-time-lesbian-Jamaican-30-years-younger.html#

In this day and age, when a thrice-married former fireman who has become a woman meets a Jamaican lesbian chef online there can only be one outcome – wedding bells!

Or, rather, civil partnership bells.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/11/article-1356137-0D0F5CD3000005DC-652_634x935.jpg
This is 66-year-old Kerry Whybrow, dressed in a full-length custom-made lilac dress, tying the knot for the first time as a woman three years after undergoing a sex change on the NHS.

Her partner is Alcia Evans, a mother of one and almost 30 years her junior, who met Miss Whybrow through an international dating website.

The happy couple: Six foot two inch former fireman Kerry Whybrow and Alicia Evans tie the knot
And after the ceremony – and ticking the final box for a portrait of a very 21st century marriage – one of Miss Whybrow’s former wives laid on the reception.

Miss Whybrow spent 22 years in the fire service, fathered a daughter and enjoyed pursuits such as shark fishing, rugby and shooting during three marriages as the then Roger Steed.

The 6ft 2in former angling instructor met Miss Evans in 2008 but had spent just a fortnight with the 37-year-old Jamaican before she flew to England to prepare for their ‘wedding’.

Miss Evans, who has been living in Salt Lake City in the United States, arrived in December on a six month visa, which the couple hope will be extended in the light of their civil partnership.

First wife: Roger Steed and Audrey Morris in 1966. As Mr Steed, Mrs Whybrow spent 22 years in the fire service, fathered a daughter and enjoyed pursuits such as shark fishing, rugby and shooting

Whirlwind romance: With Sylvia Rogers in 1978. They divorced in 1987 and have not spoken for years

They said living in Jamaica is not an option because homophobia is rife on the island.
Miss Whybrow said of the ceremony at the register office in her home town of King’s Lynn, Norfolk: ‘It was a wonderful day.

‘There were a few strange looks from the locals when we came out of the register office but we don’t care about that. Alcia is a special lady who has given up a lot to be with me in cold rural England. I don’t think this is what she dreamed of in life.

‘I’m incredibly lucky to have found somebody who loves me for being me, after spending so much of my life as a man, always feeling something was not right.’

While Miss Whybrow’s only child, Heather, 41, snubbed the ceremony – having disowned her father in 2005 when the then Mr Steed announced he wanted to change gender – the wedding was attended by his third wife Cindy Steed, who even hosted a reception at her bungalow outside King’s Lynn.

She remains one of only a few former friends or relatives to have stood by Miss Whybrow since the sex change. The couple, who cannot afford a honeymoon, spent the night in a local hotel.

Miss Evans, whose five-year-old son lives with his grandparents in Jamaica, wore a long green dress for the ceremony.

Her parents do not know she is a lesbian, let alone that she has just entered into a civil partnership with a woman who was formerly a man.

But Miss Evans, whose sister Rogers Parnther flew in from America for the service, said she was comfortable with her partner’s background.

‘I have only known Kerry as a woman and that is how I see her,’ she added. ‘I’m very happy with her, I love her very much.’

Miss Whybrow, who now cleans buses for a living, said she was 14 or 15 when she first tried on women’s clothing, but fought a secret battle with her gender through the three marriages until she was eventually diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Born in Ashton, near Manchester, Miss Whybrow was adopted by Catherine and Frank Steed, a couple in their 50s who ran a bed and breakfast in Devon. She married – as Roger Steed – for the first time in 1966 to Audrey Morris and their daughter was born three years later.

The couple ‘drifted apart’ and divorced in 1977 but in 1978 a second marriage, to Sylvia Rogers, followed after a whirlwind courtship. They divorced in 1987 and have not spoken for years.

But last night Sylvia Steed told of her reaction to her former husband’s latest romance. Mrs Steed, from Hereford, said: ‘I am completely shocked. I had no idea throughout our marriage [that Roger felt this way about his gender]. I thought he was just a normal man.

‘He once trained to be a social worker and he came home and said his tutor had called him a sexist, a racist, and a homophobe and said he was screwed up.’

In 1989 Miss Whybrow said ‘I do’ for the third and final time as a man, marrying the then Cindy Rawlings-Witt. But within a couple of years he confessed that he felt trapped in the wrong gender.

The sympathetic bride allowed her husband to wear her clothes around the house, but it was only when the relationship formally ended in 2003 that the transsexual sought medical help and began dressing in public as a woman before going on to have full ‘gender reassignment surgery’ in 2008.

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Okay, this is beyond weird. But, I'm sure that Wilbur will tell me that I should just get over my hangups and feel good about the happy couple... :rolleyes:

djones520
02-16-2011, 05:09 PM
Ok Major... we've got specific rules on this here forum. You are supposed to precede all such posts with a spork alert. This happens again, and we're gonna have some words.

JB
02-16-2011, 05:32 PM
Are they a gay couple or not? If If they are, then he (she) chose to be gay. I thought it wasn't a choice.

The only way for him to be gay from birth would be she would have to date dudes now and not chicks.

Odysseus
02-16-2011, 05:44 PM
Ok Major... we've got specific rules on this here forum. You are supposed to precede all such posts with a spork alert. This happens again, and we're gonna have some words.
Mea culpa.


ALERT!!!
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/frontsquare/spork.jpg

Are they a gay couple or not? If If they are, then he (she) chose to be gay. I thought it wasn't a choice.

The only way for him to be gay from birth would be she would have to date dudes now and not chicks.

I don't know if it's considered a man, a woman, a hybrid or what, but apparently, it has a right to marriage. Good job, Wilbur!!!:rolleyes:

AmPat
02-16-2011, 05:59 PM
Mea culpa.


ALERT!!!
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/frontsquare/spork.jpg


I don't know if it's considered a man, a woman, a hybrid or what, but apparently, it has a right to marriage. Good job, Wilbur!!!:rolleyes:

One simply combines the words "she" and "it," and presto, a new word! :cool:

Rockntractor
02-16-2011, 06:20 PM
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/gay-police-gay-demotivational-posters-1295933037.jpg

Novaheart
02-16-2011, 07:09 PM
Are they a gay couple or not? If If they are, then he (she) chose to be gay. I thought it wasn't a choice.

The only way for him to be gay from birth would be she would have to date dudes now and not chicks.

Unless they invited you to the honeymoon, how does it matter?

Odysseus
02-16-2011, 07:20 PM
One simply combines the words "she" and "it," and presto, a new word! :cool:
Actually, that may end up becoming the new term, with "he" added. Thus, we get "heitshe" (pronounced HEE-ITCH-EE), to describe a person whose gender cannot otherwise be described.

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/gay-police-gay-demotivational-posters-1295933037.jpg
Okay, the ones on the ends can frisk me, but only if they work together... :D

Unless they invited you to the honeymoon, how does it matter?

Indeed, why should sexual anarchy bother any of us? Oh, wait, I forgot, this is now considered a marriage. :rolleyes:

JB
02-16-2011, 07:23 PM
Unless they invited you to the honeymoon, how does it matter?The gay community tells us that they are born gay. That it's not a choice. Hence, a gay person cannot choose to not be gay.

If he was born gay he should have dated dudes all his life but he didn't.

So, is she gay now? If yes, then she chose to be that way. If no, then she is not a woman.

Do you see where I am going? S(He) can't have it both ways. She is either gay now by choice or she is a man that just happened to chop his penis off. Which is it?

megimoo
02-16-2011, 11:23 PM
Actually, that may end up becoming the new term, with "he" added. Thus, we get "heitshe" (pronounced HEE-ITCH-EE), to describe a person whose gender cannot otherwise be described.

Okay, the ones on the ends can frisk me, but only if they work together... :D


Indeed, why should sexual anarchy bother any of us? Oh, wait, I forgot, this is now considered a marriage. :rolleyes:

THat former male critter looks like a coon hound..and she looks like a former Pineapple Harvest Queen long past her recall date ...SHIMS

patriot45
02-16-2011, 11:38 PM
The gay community tells us that they are born gay. That it's not a choice. Hence, a gay person cannot choose to not be gay.

If he was born gay he should have dated dudes all his life but he didn't.

So, is she gay now? If yes, then she chose to be that way. If no, then she is not a woman.

Do you see where I am going? S(He) can't have it both ways. She is either gay now by choice or she is a man that just happened to chop his penis off. Which is it?

Thats an enigma wrapped in a connundrum.

I think.

:eek:

Odysseus
02-17-2011, 12:30 AM
Thats an enigma wrapped in a connundrum.

I think.

:eek:

A reservoir-tipped conundrum. :D

Novaheart
02-17-2011, 12:45 AM
The gay community tells us that they are born gay. That it's not a choice. Hence, a gay person cannot choose to not be gay.

If he was born gay he should have dated dudes all his life but he didn't.

So, is she gay now? If yes, then she chose to be that way. If no, then she is not a woman.

Do you see where I am going? S(He) can't have it both ways. She is either gay now by choice or she is a man that just happened to chop his penis off. Which is it?

The article doesn't mention Kerry ever being romantically interested in men. If we accept that Kerry is a woman, and if Kerry is romantically attracted to women, then by definition Kerry would be a lesbian. If one maintains that Kerry was a woman trapped in a man's body, then Kerry was a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body.

I hope that takes all the fun out of it for you, because your take on this truly is dim.

patriot45
02-17-2011, 12:58 AM
The article doesn't mention Kerry ever being romantically interested in men. If we accept that Kerry is a woman, and if Kerry is romantically attracted to women, then by definition Kerry would be a lesbian. If one maintains that Kerry was a woman trapped in a man's body, then Kerry was a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body.

I hope that takes all the fun out of it for you, because your take on this truly is dim.

What a dork! " Kerry was a woman trapped in a man's body" Haha, is this possible!?!

You freaks really have to rationalize don't you!

Who is trapped in your body! ....Wait, I really don't want to know!

Novaheart
02-17-2011, 01:01 AM
What a dork! " Kerry was a woman trapped in a man's body" Haha, is this possible!?!

You freaks really have to rationalize don't you!

Who is trapped in your body! ....Wait, I really don't want to know!

http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/9964553_gal.jpg

megimoo
02-17-2011, 01:10 AM
http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/9964553_gal.jpgIs that your Siciliano 'Look of Death' ?

Odysseus
02-17-2011, 12:39 PM
The article doesn't mention Kerry ever being romantically interested in men. If we accept that Kerry is a woman, and if Kerry is romantically attracted to women, then by definition Kerry would be a lesbian. If one maintains that Kerry was a woman trapped in a man's body, then Kerry was a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body.

I hope that takes all the fun out of it for you, because your take on this truly is dim.
He wasn't a lesbian in a man's body, he was a heterosexual male who didn't like having the requisite plumbing. It's the downside of heterosexuality, that you don't have your favorite body parts, but having them turned inside out doesn't make him a woman, any more than growing whiskers makes you a cat.


http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/9964553_gal.jpg

Michael Corleone is a tragic figure, a man who could have been a hero, but instead became as corrupt as his family in order to protect it. If that is your inner self, I truly pity you.

fettpett
02-17-2011, 12:43 PM
OMG they are fugly....

noonwitch
02-17-2011, 01:40 PM
The best news in this story is that Miss Evans' 5 year old son lives with his grandparents in Jamaica.

Novaheart
02-17-2011, 01:47 PM
He wasn't a lesbian in a man's body, he was a heterosexual male who didn't like having the requisite plumbing. It's the downside of heterosexuality, that you don't have your favorite body parts, but having them turned inside out doesn't make him a woman, any more than growing whiskers makes you a cat.

i don't accept the transexual diagnosis and I think the treatment is ill advised at best. However, I think that if we objectively look at what this is, without all the BS we have wrapped around sex and identity, there isn't a huge difference between gender dysphoria and some other issues of self perception and the remedies people pursue. The major drawback of gender resassignment, and it's for the person getting it rather than us, is that it's destructive and functionally irrevocable.

It's is, however, interesting that so many transexuals end up in relationships with biofemales or other transexuals of the same gender identity.

And as fucked up as I might think the concept of transexualism is, for the life of me I can't figure out why it has some other people all worked up. Are you incapable of taking an objective look at these things? Do you honestly imagine that your every breath is in agreement with the world around you? Why are you so wrapped up in convincing yourself that some group of people are a menace when those people pose no threat to you whatsoever, never have, never will? What is the matter with you?

Gingersnap
02-17-2011, 01:50 PM
Are they a gay couple or not?

No, they are not. The male half of the duo is just a man who has objectified women and female gender role material to the point of sexual fetish. He believes that by 'becoming' a woman, he will live out his fantasies of female objectification (maybe he will, who knows?).

The female half of the couple is just a sexually hesitant woman who is probably somewhat threatened by the ordinary demands of heterosexuality. If she considers herself to be a lesbian then hooking up with a sexually damaged man may be a safer option for her since lesbian relationships are more physically violent than heterosexual relationships.

Novaheart
02-17-2011, 01:55 PM
The best news in this story is that Miss Evans' 5 year old son lives with his grandparents in Jamaica.

Jamaica is an intellectual cesspool, where gay people and transexuals are routinely attacked and/or murdered. Popular music celebrates the torture and execution of gay people in Jamaica. And you think this is a good place for a lesbian's child (or anyone's child) to grow up?

lacarnut
02-17-2011, 02:03 PM
THat former male critter looks like a coon hound..and she looks like a former Pineapple Harvest Queen long past her recall date ...SHIMS

Those two are so ugly they would knock a buzzard off a shit wagon. :eek::)

Odysseus
02-17-2011, 03:22 PM
The best news in this story is that Miss Evans' 5 year old son lives with his grandparents in Jamaica.
No, the worst news is that she has apparently abandoned a 5-year-old son.

i don't accept the transexual diagnosis and I think the treatment is ill advised at best. However, I think that if we objectively look at what this is, without all the BS we have wrapped around sex and identity, there isn't a huge difference between gender dysphoria and some other issues of self perception and the remedies people pursue. The major drawback of gender resassignment, and it's for the person getting it rather than us, is that it's destructive and functionally irrevocable.

It's is, however, interesting that so many transexuals end up in relationships with biofemales or other transexuals of the same gender identity.

And as fucked up as I might think the concept of transexualism is, for the life of me I can't figure out why it has some other people all worked up. Are you incapable of taking an objective look at these things? Do you honestly imagine that your every breath is in agreement with the world around you? Why are you so wrapped up in convincing yourself that some group of people are a menace when those people pose no threat to you whatsoever, never have, never will? What is the matter with you?

On the contrary, I am looking at this objectively. He is clearly a deeply disturbed individual who is embarking on his fourth marriage. His medically mutilated genitalia will not change the most critical organ in any relationship, which is not between his legs, but his ears. This "marriage" will end badly, if the other three are any indication. I don't consider him a menace, so much as a symptom of a disease, one which is the ongoing effort to destroy the concept of marriage and sexual restraint. American Thnker had a superb article on the subject the other day, from which I take this excerpt:


In truth then, what is being pursued is not any redefinition of marriage, but rather the "undefinition" of it -- an attempt to obliterate any fundamental parameters for what is to be perceived as moral and immoral sexual partnerships. To anyone paying attention over the last several decades, this effort should come as no surprise.

The debate over homosexuality in our culture, after all, is nothing more than the current manifestation of a much larger crusade for sexual anarchy that has been raging since Alfred Kinsey's fraudulent sex studies of the 1950s. Engaging in nothing short of institutional pedophilia and sexual abuse of children as young as Kindergarten, Kinsey's "research" contended that average Americans commonly were engaging in all sorts of sexual activity. He and his acolytes urged the culture to act on his revelations by shedding their fears and shames about such behavior and embracing all forms of sexual activity as acceptable expression.

The Kinsey cause morphed into the free love movement of the 1960s with its focus on breaking down societal barriers against almost any sexual expression. And ever since, we have experienced a relentless campaign from these forces of sexual anarchy to normalize previously forbidden recreational sex. When Kinsey started the fire, most resisted the idea that sex should be entertainment, until pop culture normalized it. Even then, most resisted the idea that divorce should be easily attainable, until pop culture normalized it. Even then, most resisted the idea that promiscuity should be celebrated, until pop culture normalized it. Even then, most resisted the idea that homosexuality and cross-dressing should be accepted, and now pop culture is normalizing it.

If my assessment is accurate, we should be seeing the next stage in the crusade for sexual anarchy beginning to take shape. And right on cue, a news story emerges from the Salt Lake Tribune to validate as much.

As columnist Lindsay Whitehurst explains, the nearly 38,000 polygamists in Utah are closely following a case in Canada where a court is now weighing a decision that could upend the country's ban on polygamy. What is astounding about the story is how frighteningly similar the polygamists' arguments are to those we are currently hearing from the homosexual and transgendered crowd in America.

Calling the proceedings "historic," polygamy advocate Marlyne Hammon proclaimed, "If Canada were to drop that law, it would send quite an important message out to the world. They can see [polygamy] is not what everyone says. It's about people." Hammon added that the decriminalization of plural marriage in Canada would be a huge motivation to those fighting for its legalization in America. "We've established ourselves in our homes," she said. "We want to continue fighting for our civil rights."

Utah's Attorney General's office spokesman Paul Murphy has said of the case, "I think it will inform us. Canada is tackling the same issues we have, in that we have this law but for the most part it hasn't been enforced by any law enforcement agency."

Notice the similarity in language and sentiment being utilized: civil rights, anti-discrimination, self-fulfillment, personal happiness, don't judge, constitutional rights, personal expression. The very catch phrases currently employed by the sexual anarchists to achieve the acceptance of homosexual behavior are already being used to advocate for the next rung in their ladder. It should come as no surprise then that Tom Hanks, a vocal proponent of gay marriage, is currently the executive producer for the HBO series "Big Love," portraying (and normalizing) a fictional polygamous family in Utah.

Once the trail has been forged by homosexuality activists, polygamy is nothing but the next logical step. Paul McCormack, a law professor at the University of Utah, confirms that if the Supreme Court takes up the question of same-sex marriage, it will open the door to other forms of personal sexual preference. "That would resuscitate the interest in polygamy," he stated.

In light of all this, I simply ask those who support the legalization of "gay marriage" how they plan to deny marriage rights to those who advocate for polygamy? This has now gone beyond a "slippery slope" hypothetical question and has entered the realm of reality. The question deserves an answer, and any sane culture would demand one before proceeding further down the Kinsey path.

If we remove the current moral guideposts defining marriage as the God-intended union of a man and woman, declaring them to be a violation of the civil rights of those who want to engage in homosexuality, how do we reposition those posts to reject the civil rights claims of polygamists?

If we accept the arguments espoused by pop culture homosexual activists like Ellen DeGeneres who plead, "People are gonna be who they're gonna be, and we need to learn to love them for who they are and let them love who they want to love," how do we rebuff polygamy activists like Marlyne Hammon who say the same?

The answer is we don't. That is the consequence of "undefining" marriage -- it becomes a meaningless term, once for all vanquished by the forces of sexual anarchy. This necessarily opens the floodgates to the legalization of every form of sexual activity, from polygamy to incest to bestiality. Before we uproot our culture's moral barriers, we might want to pause long enough to consider what awaits us on the other side.

Peter is a public high school government teacher and radio talk show host in central Indiana.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_polygamists_make_their_mov.html

In short, a former man, who is now neither a man nor a woman, but some freakish hybrid, is marrying a woman who has a child which she does not raise, and appears to have abandoned. You claim that you consider transexuality to be "f***ed up", but then demand to know what is wrong with me when I say the same thing. What is wrong with me is that I do not mince words, evade truths or deny what is in front of my own eyes. What is wrong with you, that you can state that you consider this screwed up, but can't accept that anyone else can?

noonwitch
02-17-2011, 03:26 PM
Jamaica is an intellectual cesspool, where gay people and transexuals are routinely attacked and/or murdered. Popular music celebrates the torture and execution of gay people in Jamaica. And you think this is a good place for a lesbian's child (or anyone's child) to grow up?



Yes, the child is with his grandparents. I have a retired friend who is living the good and cheap life in Jamaica. The cost of living is low, the weather is nice and it can't be any more homophobic than Detroit, where gay men are beaten on DOT buses.

Apache
02-17-2011, 04:35 PM
What is the matter with you?

You first...

JB
02-17-2011, 05:34 PM
The article doesn't mention Kerry ever being romantically interested in men. If we accept that Kerry is a woman, and if Kerry is romantically attracted to women, then by definition Kerry would be a lesbian. If one maintains that Kerry was a woman trapped in a man's body, then Kerry was a lesbian woman trapped in a man's body. I find your lack of pronouns in this reply disturbing.

Odysseus
02-17-2011, 06:40 PM
I find your lack of pronouns in this reply disturbing.

JB means that JB finds Novaheart's lack of pronouns in Novaheart's reply disturbing. :D

JB
02-17-2011, 06:45 PM
JB means that JB finds Novaheart's lack of pronouns in Novaheart's reply disturbing. :DHey, JB knows who JB is. :p

Phillygirl
02-17-2011, 07:03 PM
That picture is proof that the British health care system is horrible. We could do better. Yes we can.

NJCardFan
02-18-2011, 01:13 AM
What is the point of getting a sex change if you're going to 'marry' the former opposite sex?

Rockntractor
02-18-2011, 01:32 AM
What is the point of getting a sex change if you're going to 'marry' the former opposite sex?

I think a lot of people are so messed up they don't know what they want.

Bailey
02-18-2011, 06:13 AM
Jamaica is an intellectual cesspool, where gay people and transexuals are routinely attacked and/or murdered. Popular music celebrates the torture and execution of gay people in Jamaica. And you think this is a good place for a lesbian's child (or anyone's child) to grow up?

Thought there was a reason I loved Jamaica. :cool:

Madisonian
02-18-2011, 01:48 PM
No truly gay man or woman would have picked a lilac colored dress with her (his) skintone.
A light peach or maybe rose would have been more complimentary.

Zafod
02-18-2011, 02:00 PM
I once had to sit in a lecture from a woman who wanted to get a sex change operation to become a man so she could attract other gay men.... I was kicked out when I asked if thats just being a fag hag and taking it to the next level....

Bailey
02-18-2011, 02:12 PM
I once had to sit in a lecture from a woman who wanted to get a sex change operation to become a man so she could attract other gay men.... I was kicked out when I asked if thats just being a fag hag and taking it to the next level....

Oh God how messed up are some people? that they came up with a term fag hag. lol

Zafod
02-18-2011, 02:51 PM
Oh God how messed up are some people? that they came up with a term fag hag. lol

I have used fag hag for a while.

Its those womens who think deep down that they will change a gay dude straight....

Odysseus
02-18-2011, 08:28 PM
No truly gay man or woman would have picked a lilac colored dress with her (his) skintone.
A light peach or maybe rose would have been more complimentary.
Is there something that you'd like to tell us?

I once had to sit in a lecture from a woman who wanted to get a sex change operation to become a man so she could attract other gay men.... I was kicked out when I asked if thats just being a fag hag and taking it to the next level....
LOL!!! I can just imagine the incoherent sputtering that preceded your ejection!

During the first DADT debate, under Clinton, a far-left lesbian activist who had previously stated that she thought that the US shouldn't have any military forces got in my face about keeping the likes of her out, and demanded to know what I had against lesbians. I replied, "Nothing. Some of my favorite fantasies involve lesbians." Same reaction. :D

I have used fag hag for a while.

Its those womens who think deep down that they will change a gay dude straight....

Or those women who prefer the company of gay men because they like male company, but can't sustain relationships.