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Apocalypse
02-22-2011, 10:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9IdUJ4gLZw

Interesting. Every time the left have a rally, the large amount of Communist and Socialist that show their support.

Wei Wu Wei
02-22-2011, 11:06 AM
Yes Socialists and Communists do support labor struggles.

Apache
02-22-2011, 11:20 AM
Yes Socialists and Communists do support labor struggles.

Bullshit! They support themselves and use idiots like you to futher their agenda...

Apocalypse
02-22-2011, 11:37 AM
Yes Socialists and Communists do support labor struggles.

I wasn't talking just labor.

Any liberal rally.

Need I visit Zombie and help you out?

Wei Wu Wei
02-22-2011, 11:44 AM
You might be right. I know the Glenn Beck crowd loves to see any socialist, thinking that it confirms all their paranoid fantasies, but in reality it's not that special. Yes there are socialists, so what is your point? This isn't 1962 anymore, the communists no longer pose an existential threat to the US. There is no Soviet Union anymore, so there's no need to have a knee-jerk reaction to communism. Red Dawn isn't gonna happen.

Yes there are socialists in the US, yes there are communists. For the most part, these are extremely marginalized groups with very little power. The US doesn't even have an organized labor party like most industrialized nations.

When it comes to giving out bank bailouts or cutting workers' rights to collectively bargain, you better believe that socialists and communists are going to be speaking out.

Odysseus
02-22-2011, 12:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9IdUJ4gLZw

Interesting. Every time the left have a rally, the large amount of Communist and Socialist that show their support.

The only surprising thing is that they are willing to be so obvious about it. Of course, since the MSM won't report their presence, I guess it shouldn't be surprising.

Wei Wu Wei
02-22-2011, 01:03 PM
The only surprising thing is that they are willing to be so obvious about it. Of course, since the MSM won't report their presence, I guess it shouldn't be surprising.

Why is it surprising? Being a socialist isn't like being a gay guy in a small rural town. There's no shame in supporting workers, there's no shame in recognizing the inherent flaws in Capitalism and working towards solving those problems. There were a lot of Cold War propagandists who made it their job to equate Capitalism and Freedom in the public consciousness, there was a lot of money and power used to convince Americans during the Cold War that anything related to communism was a Threat To Freedom. This is just propaganda.

Like I said, it's not 1962 anymore, it's not the McCarthy era anymore, there is no Soviet Union anymore.

Socialists and Communists just want to make this nation a better place, just want to keep improving it, like I assume everyone does. They just have different ideas about where societal problems come from and the solutions to those problems. They have no reason not to be "obvious" about it.

Wei Wu Wei
02-22-2011, 01:06 PM
The Socialist, Communist, and Labor movements in the United States are a very important part of our history. Open up a history book it's all there.

Novaheart
02-22-2011, 01:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9IdUJ4gLZw

Interesting. Every time the left have a rally, the large amount of Communist and Socialist that show their support.

The Neo-nazis show up at Anti-immigration rallies in California and Arizona. While some on the Left like to go accuse Minutemen and Secure Borders folks of being white nationalists, and while some white nationalists are indeed Minutemen or similar, it doesn't mean that they are Nazis, neo or otherwise.

One cheap shot does not deserve another.

lacarnut
02-22-2011, 01:25 PM
[QUOTE=Wei Wu Wei;378436]Why is it surprising? Being a socialist isn't like being a gay guy in a small rural town. There's no shame in supporting workers, there's no shame in recognizing the inherent flaws in Capitalism and working towards solving those problems. There were a lot of Cold War propagandists who made it their job to equate Capitalism and Freedom in the public consciousness, there was a lot of money and power used to convince Americans during the Cold War that anything related to communism was a Threat To Freedom. This is just propaganda.

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Then why aren't you living in one of those commie countries, punk?

Novaheart
02-22-2011, 01:28 PM
Then why aren't you living in one of those commie countries, punk?

If you think that Florida should build a bullet train system, should you move to Japan?

BTW, I don't think Florida should build a bullet train.

Wei Wu Wei
02-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Every Conservative should move to Texas.

Wei Wu Wei
02-22-2011, 01:32 PM
Many people love their countries, love their states, even if they recognize the problems that these places have. Rather than packing it up and leaving, they struggle to change the home they love into a place they can be more proud of. No place is perfect, but people will fight to improve their own homes in the way that makes sense to them.

Love It or Leave It is a stupid false dichotomy. People who really love a place must be willing to accept real criticism and work towards improving it.

Apache
02-22-2011, 01:43 PM
Many people love their countries, love their states, even if they recognize the problems that these places have. Rather than packing it up and leaving, they struggle to change the home they love into a place they can be more proud of. No place is perfect, but people will fight to improve their own homes in the way that makes sense to them.

Love It or Leave It is a stupid false dichotomy. People who really love a place must be willing to accept real criticism and work towards improving it.

Hey Wheezer, Socialism, Communism and Unionism DOESN'T WORK....Every time they are tried they FAIL...

That's your history right there...

Wei Wu Wei
02-22-2011, 01:45 PM
It sure succeeded in bringing about all modern labor laws.

Odysseus
02-22-2011, 02:37 PM
The Socialist, Communist, and Labor movements in the United States are a very important part of our history. Open up a history book it's all there.
The Nazi Party is a very important part of Germany's history. Doesn't make it a good thing. The Socialist and Communist movements were pretty much financed by Moscow after the 1930s, and drove out anyone who wasn't toeing the party line. They shilled for totalitarian mass-murderers and sought to undermine our nation.

Many people love their countries, love their states, even if they recognize the problems that these places have. Rather than packing it up and leaving, they struggle to change the home they love into a place they can be more proud of. No place is perfect, but people will fight to improve their own homes in the way that makes sense to them.

Love It or Leave It is a stupid false dichotomy. People who really love a place must be willing to accept real criticism and work towards improving it.
Many of these groups are quite open in their loathing of America. It's one thing to want to work within the Constitutional framework to refine it, another thing to seek to destroy it. Socialism, Communism and the various other strains of the same disease are incompatible with the limited government of the United States.

It sure succeeded in bringing about all modern labor laws.

And destroying the modern economy. Notice that the most unionized sectors of the economy are the ones that are in the most trouble.

Bailey
02-22-2011, 03:07 PM
It sure succeeded in bringing about all modern labor laws.

I have to give you credit, I've never seen anyone get their Ass kicked as much as you and keep coming back.....nay asking for more.

It's fun to watch keep up the good work.

Apache
02-22-2011, 03:08 PM
It sure succeeded in bringing about all modern labor laws.

Yeah it also suceeded in bankrupting how many companies, cities, counties and states?


Once again, your sacred cow isms DON'T WORK!