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Odysseus
02-22-2011, 06:21 PM
Updated: 08:50, Tuesday February 22, 2011
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"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
(Okay, that isn't the actual caption, but c'mon...)

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=580641&vId=

Influential Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi has issued a fatwa that any Libyan soldier who can shoot dead embattled leader Muammar Gaddafi should do so 'to rid Libya of him.'

'Whoever in the Libyan army is able to shoot a bullet at Mr Gaddafi should do so,' Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born cleric who is usually based in Qatar, told Al-Jazeera television.

He also told Libyan soldiers 'not to obey orders to strike at your own people,' and urged Libyan ambassadors around the world to dissociate themselves from Gaddafi's regime.

Famous in the Middle East for his at times controversial fatwas, or religious edicts, the octogenarian Qaradawi has celebrity status in the Arab world thanks to his religious broadcasts on Al-Jazeera.

He has in the past defended 'violence carried out by certain Muslims.'

The West accuses the cleric of supporting 'terrorism' because he sanctioned Palestinian suicide attacks in Israel. Britain and the United States have refused to grant him entry visas.

The cleric, spiritual leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and longtime resident of Qatar, heads the International Union for Muslim Scholars.

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For the edification of those who don't know much about the politics of the Middle East, al-Qaradawi is the imam who addressed the crowd in Egypt on Friday night. Among his policy positions and statements:


One of Qaradawi's foremost passions is his deep and unwavering hatred for, and distrust of, the Jewish people. He has unambiguously justified Palestinian suicide bombings as legitimate responses to alleged “Zionist” aggression and occupation. In 2004 he told BBC television, "Allah Almighty is just; through his infinite wisdom he has given the weak a weapon the strong do not have, and that is their ability to turn their bodies into bombs as Palestinians do."

During a press conference around that same time, Qaradawi added that suicide bombings were "weapons to which the weak resort in order to upset the balance because the powerful have all the weapons that the weak are denied." On another occasion, he asserted that suicide bombings "are not in any way included in the framework of prohibited terrorism, even if the victims include some civilians." This, he explained, was because Israel was "a society of invaders" whose "nature" was "colonialist, occupational, [and] racist."

Qaradawi has authored more than 100 books on Islam, and he hosts a popular weekly television program called "Shariah and Life" on the Arabic television station and satellite network Al Jazeera. During one particular April 2004 telecast, he praised Allah for providing Palestinians with the means to transform themselves into "human bombs.”

Also in April 2004, Qaradawi issued a fatwa declaring a Muslim boycott of American- and Israeli-made products. “To buy their goods is to support tyranny, oppression and aggression,” he wrote. “Buying goods from them will strengthen them; our duty is to make them as weak as we can.”

That same year, Qaradawi expressed support for the anti-U.S. insurgency in Iraq, endorsing the kidnapping and murder of American civilians there. Announcing a fatwa at the Egyptian Journalists' Union convention in Cairo, he stated:


"All of the Americans in Iraq are combatants, there is no difference between civilians and soldiers, and one should fight them, since the American civilians came to Iraq in order to serve the occupation. The abduction and killing of Americans in Iraq is a [religious] obligation so as to cause them to leave Iraq immediately."

During the 2006 Israel-Lebanon war, Qaradawi declared that Muslims were obliged to support the terrorist group Hezbollah in its combat operations against Israel.

In a 2007 interview, Qaradawi said: "It is obligatory on all Muslims to resist any possible attack the U.S. might launch against Iran. The U.S. is an enemy of Islam that has already declared war on Islam under the disguise of war on terrorism and provides Israel with unlimited support."

During the 2007 Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) trial (which examined evidence of HLF's fundraising on behalf of Hamas), the U.S. government released a list of approximately 300 of HLF's "unindicted co-conspirators" and "joint venturers." Among HLF's unindicted co-conspirators were many individuals affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and/or Hamas, including Qaradawi, Omar Ahmad, Abdurahman Alamoudi, Abdallah Azzam, Jamal Badawi, Mohammad Jaghlit, Mousa Abu Marzook, Abdel Aziz Rantisi, and Ahmed Yassin. Among the organizations named on the list were the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Hamas, INFOCOM, the Islamic Association for Palestine, the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim Arab Youth Association, the United Association for Studies and Research, and the North American Islamic Trust.

In a January 2009 speech that aired on Al Jazeera, Qaradawi said:


"Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them - even though they exaggerated this issue - he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hands of the believers."

At a January 2009 "Gaza Victory Rally" in Qatar, Qaradawi declared:


"The only thing that I hope for is that as my life approaches its end, Allah will give me an opportunity to go to the land of Jihad and resistance, even if in a wheelchair. I will shoot Allah's enemies, the Jews, and they will throw a bomb at me, and thus, I will seal my life with martyrdom. Praise be to Allah.... [Allah] will not allow these people [Jews] to continue to spread corruption in the land. We wait for the revenge of Allah to descend upon them, and Allah willing, it will be by our own hands."

Qaradawi then beseeched the deity not to "spare a single one of them." "Oh Allah," he said, "count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one."

In a February 2010 interview with BBC Arabic, Qaradawi reaffirmed his support for suicide bombings:


"I supported martyrdom operations. This is a necessary thing, as I told them in London. Give the Palestinians tanks, airplanes, and missiles, and they won't carry out martyrdom operations. They are forced to turn themselves into human bombs, in order to defend their land, their honor, and their homeland."

In an October 2010 interview with Al-Jazeera, Qaradawi was asked whether Muslims should try to acquire atomic weapons "to terrorize their enemies." He replied that such an objective was permissible, saying he was "happy" that Pakistan already possessed such a weapon. According to Qaradawi, the procurement of such agents of mass destruction was in compliance with Koranic verses urging Muslims "to terrorize thereby the enemy of God and your enemy."

Also in late 2010, Qaradawi stated: "We must irrigate [the] tree of freedom with our blood. We must not leave the Palestinians alone." Every Muslim, he elaborated, "must play his part to help our brothers in Palestine until they obtain their right. Not one inch of the Land of Islam must remain in the grasp of infidels and occupiers."

Due to his support for Palestinian terrorism, Qaradawi has been barred from entering the United States since 1999. In February 2008, the United Kingdom also denied his visa on grounds that "[t]he UK will not tolerate the presence of those who seek to justify any act of terrorist violence...”

But, Wei believes that the Muslim Brotherhood is harmless, and who am I to argue with him? :rolleyes:

Apache
02-22-2011, 06:29 PM
But, Wei believes that the Muslim Brotherhood is harmless, and who am I to argue with him? :rolleyes:

He also believes happy thoughts make you fart rainbows....:eek:

FlaGator
02-22-2011, 06:41 PM
Muslims are consistent if they are anything. They'll kill anyone just for the joy of killing them... even their own.

AmPat
02-24-2011, 01:02 AM
I suppose turn about is fair play if Qaddafi Duck orders clerics killed?:eek::cool:

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 01:09 AM
It is so sad when these radical Muslims are killing these other Radical Muslims, an Imam is a terrible thing to waste!:(

AmPat
02-24-2011, 09:03 AM
It is so sad when these radical Muslims are killing these other Radical Muslims, an Imam is a terrible thing to waste!:(

Causes me endless anguish.

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 10:03 AM
Yes, it breaks my heart, too.

But, the serious implication of this is that the Muslim Brotherhood's spiritual leader is openly siding with the anti-Qadafi elements in Libya. What does that tell you about the nature of the revolt?

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 10:18 AM
Yes, it breaks my heart, too.

But, the serious implication of this is that the Muslim Brotherhood's spiritual leader is openly siding with the anti-Qadafi elements in Libya. What does that tell you about the nature of the revolt?
That will be true of all of these freedom democracy revolutions.
This makes Carters mishandling of middle eastern affairs look like nothing in comparison, Carter lost a country, when it is over Obama will have lost a quarter of the worlds population.

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 10:21 AM
Instead of having marginal Islamic Tribal chiefs controlling the mid east for their own gain we will have Islamic clerics crazed by their apocalyptic fantasies in control of everything.

Arroyo_Doble
02-24-2011, 11:07 AM
Yes, it breaks my heart, too.

But, the serious implication of this is that the Muslim Brotherhood's spiritual leader is openly siding with the anti-Qadafi elements in Libya. What does that tell you about the nature of the revolt?

That he believes the opposition will oust Gaddafi and they will do so violently.

The Islamists have been made to look like suckers in North Africa. After all their violent rhetoric, some peaceful demostrations toppled a dictator in Egypt after a few weeks who had been in power for decades. The Jihadis were wrong and have been all along. They look like chumps and no amount of latecomer bandwagon jumping will change that.

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 11:31 AM
That he believes the opposition will oust Gaddafi and they will do so violently.

The Islamists have been made to look like suckers in North Africa. After all their violent rhetoric, some peaceful demostrations toppled a dictator in Egypt after a few weeks who had been in power for decades. The Jihadis were wrong and have been all along. They look like chumps and no amount of latecomer bandwagon jumping will change that.

You have a funny definition of non-violent. Even if Lara Logan hadn't been sexually assaulted by a mob that thought that she was a Jew, even if reporters from western media hadn't been beaten and forced to run for their lives, you'd still have over 100 dead after the first week of riots.

And the Muslim Brotherhood may not have started the train, but they're driving it now. The rally last Friday that marked the return of Yusuf al-Qaradawi was attended by over 200,000 people in Cairo, the largest gathering since the riots began. al-Qaradawi is, quite simply, Egypt's Khomeini, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and a virulently anti-western cleric who is exactly what we don't want to see come into power. Meanwhile, what happened to the secular leaders that you think are running things? Read below:


In a troubling incident during Friday’s events in Tahrir Square, Google executive Wael Ghonim — who emerged as a leading democratic voice in the Egyptian uprising — was barred from walking onto the stage by security guards.

When Ghonim tried to take the stage, men who appeared to be guarding Qaradawi barred him from doing so. Ghonim left the square with his face hidden by an Egyptian flag.

So, the Google executive couldn't even get on the same stage as the Islamist radical, and yet you think that the Islamists aren't winning this fight?

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 11:50 AM
There were over 300 that died in the Egyptian riots, must have been old age or American cigarettes because those were obviously peaceful demonstrators tossing the Molotov cocktails.

FlaGator
02-24-2011, 12:07 PM
I have been following these uprisings and one thing that has struck me is that some Arab leaders encouraged the uprisings as long as they weren't happening in their countries. When that happens they use more force to suppress the rioters than was used by the countries they incited.

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 01:01 PM
There were over 300 that died in the Egyptian riots, must have been old age or American cigarettes because those were obviously peaceful demonstrators tossing the Molotov cocktails.

They were all killed because of Bush. :rolleyes:

hampshirebrit
02-24-2011, 02:03 PM
Let the wankers kill each other. It'll save us the bother.

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 02:31 PM
Let the wankers kill each other. It'll save us the bother.

Yes, but eventually, one side will win. If it's Qaddafi, we now know, thanks to the testimony of his foreign minister, that he personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing. Do we just kick back and let him get away with it? If it's the Muslim Brotherhood, then they gain control of Libya's oil industry, as well as a base of operations in the Meditterranean that gives them access to Tunisia and Egypt. When those countries establish their Islamist governments, the caliphate will have three nations with common borders. Algeria and Morocco will have plenty to worry about.

I wonder how Obama will act on this one? Does he even have a plan for either contingency?

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 02:34 PM
I wonder how Obama will act on this one? Does he even have a plan for either contingency?

Sure he does, his friends have been over there training the revolutionists.

Bailey
02-24-2011, 02:36 PM
Could you imagine what level of outrage would be directed at the Catholic church if a bishop or cardinal said someone should be killed? Seems the sand jockies get away with murder.

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 02:41 PM
Sure he does, his friends have been over there training the revolutionists.

Are you kidding? Hippies only rebel when there's no chance of consequences. Sandbox revolutionaries know that they'd last about as long as Lara Logan would at an Egyptian "Take Back the Night" rally. No, they're content to cheer from the safety of their living rooms, and then demand that we clean up the mess when the mass murder images hit the news.

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 02:49 PM
Are you kidding? Hippies only rebel when there's no chance of consequences. Sandbox revolutionaries know that they'd last about as long as Lara Logan would at an Egyptian "Take Back the Night" rally. No, they're content to cheer from the safety of their living rooms, and then demand that we clean up the mess when the mass murder images hit the news.


Did Muslim Brotherhood Learn ‘Day of Rage’ Egypt Protest Tactics From Obama Allies Bill Ayers and Code Pink?
http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2011/01/29/did-muslim-brotherhood-learn-day-of-rage-egypt-protest-tactics-from-obama-allies-bill-ayers-and-code-pink/

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 04:23 PM
http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2011/01/29/did-muslim-brotherhood-learn-day-of-rage-egypt-protest-tactics-from-obama-allies-bill-ayers-and-code-pink/

If they did, they're doing a better job of it than Ayers and Code Pink ever did.

The Muslim Brotherhood spent decades infiltrating every strata of Egyptian society. They were prepared for this and effortlessly co-opted the protests within days of the first action. Those people who downplay their influence do so out of ignorance or deliberate dishonesty.

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 04:27 PM
If they did, they're doing a better job of it than Ayers and Code Pink ever did.

The Muslim Brotherhood spent decades infiltrating every strata of Egyptian society. They were prepared for this and effortlessly co-opted the protests within days of the first action. Those people who downplay their influence do so out of ignorance or deliberate dishonesty.

The Brotherhood has definitely been the main driving force, but the Ayers have been back and fourth to the area frequently advising them, as well as being in on the Hamas flotilla.
I believe Obama is into this up to his big ears as well as our labor unions.

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 06:25 PM
AFL-CIO Honors Independent Egyptian Workers Movement with Meany-Kirkland Human Rights Award
AFL-CIO Honors Independent Egyptian Workers Movement with Meany-Kirkland Human Rights Award


Kamal Abu Eita speaks at the 2009 Meany-Kirkland Human Rights Award Ceremony. On August 3, 2010, the AFL-CIO awarded the 2009 Meany-Kirkland Human Rights Award to the workers of Egypt. The award was received on behalf of Egyptian workers by Mr. Kamal Abbas, the Director of the Center for Trade Union and Worker Services (CTUWS) and Mr. Kamal Abu Eita, President of the Real Estate Tax Authority Union (RETA) — the first independent union in Egypt in 50 years.

Established in 1981, the award honors labor movements and their leaders who overcome tremendous obstacles to protect the rights of workers. This year’s award went to the workers of Egypt for their dedication to fighting for freedom of association and workers’ rights and demonstrating extraordinary courage and perseverance in the face of substantial state repression.

The award was presented to Abbas and Abu Eita by Arlene Holt-Baker, the Executive Vice President of the AFL-CIO. An address was made by Senator Robert P. Casey, Jr. of Pennsylvania, Chair of the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. Senator Casey commented on the importance of independent and democratic trade unions to democracy “the leadership of the Egyptian labor movement is critical because first and foremost, it helps the workers of Egypt. It helps to inspire a new generation of Egyptians to understand that it is possible in a democracy to express a political view without resorting to violence and without fear of government retribution.”

The presentation marked the first time that the American labor movement honored a workers organization from the Middle East.

Click here to read the acceptance speeches of Kamal Abbas and Kamal Abu Eita, and the remarks of Senator Robert P. Casey, Jr.
http://www.solidaritycenter.org/content.asp?contentid=1098




More evidence of our liberal friends working with the protesters.