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megimoo
02-22-2011, 09:19 PM
Being a TSA agent is rough..... You spend all day.groping angry people's boobs and balls ....only to get vilified by politicians and in the press on almost every occasion..... But at least working at the airport means one is surrounded by a host of restaurants, cafes, and bars where an agent can walk in and get a decent meal and a stiff drink. Wait . . . What's that, blogosphere? There's a Sea-Tac area cafe that's now openly refusing to serve TSA agents? OK, never mind. Being a TSA agent just sucks all around.

The mystery cafe was first reported by consumer-advocacy journalist Christopher Elliott.An employee of the restaurant, one K.C. McLawson, tells him:

"We have posted signs on our doors basically saying that they aren't allowed to come into our business," she says. "We have the right to refuse service to anyone." .....The employee claims that not only does the restaurant refuse to serve agents, they have called police before to have "their kind" forcibly removed from the premises.

McLawson continues:

My boss flies quite a bit, and he has an amazing ability to remember faces. If he sees a TSA agent come in, we turn our backs and completely ignore them, and tell them to leave. Their kind aren't welcomed in our establishment. A large majority of our customers--over 90 percent--agree with our stance and stand by our decision.

We even have the police on our side, and they have helped us escort TSA agents out of our cafe. Until TSA agents start treating us with the respect and dignity that we deserve, then things will change for them in the private sector.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/02/sea-tac_cafe_is_now_refusing_t.php

Novaheart
02-22-2011, 09:28 PM
Mildly amusing. I'm often surprised that there aren't more service employees who refuse to serve politicians who vote against the rights of the workers, either as workers or as targets of discrimination. I have a list in my head of people who can Kiss My Ass, and each day that list grows longer.

More to the point, if you were a Michelle Bachmann or similar trash, would you really want to eat anything a DC waiter brought to you?

Rockntractor
02-22-2011, 09:48 PM
Mildly amusing. I'm often surprised that there aren't more service employees who refuse to serve politicians who vote against the rights of the workers, either as workers or as targets of discrimination. I have a list in my head of people who can Kiss My Ass, and each day that list grows longer.

More to the point, if you were a Michelle Bachmann or similar trash, would you really want to eat anything a DC waiter brought to you?

Have I made the list yet?:confused:

Novaheart
02-22-2011, 10:06 PM
Have I made the list yet?:confused:

Naw, you're kind of a fun prick, like David Spade.

AmPat
02-23-2011, 01:43 PM
Mildly amusing. I'm often surprised that there aren't more service employees who refuse to serve politicians who vote against the rights of the workers, either as workers or as targets of discrimination. I have a list in my head of people who can Kiss My Ass, and each day that list grows longer.

More to the point, if you were a Michelle Bachmann or similar trash, would you really want to eat anything a DC waiter brought to you?

If Michelle Bachman is trash, O Blah Blah, Reid, etc are feces.
See how fun and easy this is?:rolleyes:

Madisonian
02-23-2011, 02:27 PM
What's wrong there Bailey?
Wake up dreaming of being a Cowboy's fan again?:p

FBIGuy
02-23-2011, 02:43 PM
Mildly amusing. I'm often surprised that there aren't more service employees who refuse to serve politicians who vote against the rights of the workers, either as workers or as targets of discrimination. I have a list in my head of people who can Kiss My Ass, and each day that list grows longer.

More to the point, if you were a Michelle Bachmann or similar trash, would you really want to eat anything a DC waiter brought to you?

Amusing, an evolutionary dead end is referring to a normal human as trash.:rolleyes:

Novaheart
02-23-2011, 03:03 PM
Amusing, an evolutionary dead end is referring to a normal human as trash.:rolleyes:

Rats reproduce. So they are morally superior to you? Bailey reproducing is probably on an evolutionary collision course with the baboon.

linda22003
02-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Amusing, an evolutionary dead end is referring to a normal human as trash.:rolleyes:

Bailey makes rude remarks, but should you really call him an evolutionary dead end?

Gingersnap
02-23-2011, 03:24 PM
This story has vague War on Terror slant to it. :D

Odysseus
02-23-2011, 07:35 PM
Rats reproduce. So they are morally superior to you?

No, just you.

Lager
02-23-2011, 07:44 PM
Mildly amusing. I'm often surprised that there aren't more service employees who refuse to serve politicians who vote against the rights of the workers, either as workers or as targets of discrimination. I have a list in my head of people who can Kiss My Ass, and each day that list grows longer.

More to the point, if you were a Michelle Bachmann or similar trash, would you really want to eat anything a DC waiter brought to you?

So should service employees refuse to serve anyone they disagree with? Wow, that's a great work ethic. Hopefully they'll have time to evaluate their juvenile reasoning in the un-employment line. Is liberalism a fashionable way to extend adolescence? Wouldn't you find it offensive and outrageous if a company like Chidk Fil A refused to serve gays?

Madisonian
02-23-2011, 07:59 PM
I coulda swore there were a couple posts by Bailey that are now gone.

I didn't think joking about a dream of being a Cowboy's fan was that bad.

djones520
02-23-2011, 08:02 PM
I coulda swore there were a couple posts by Bailey that are now gone.

I didn't think joking about a dream of being a Cowboy's fan was that bad.

Wishing for a members death, and saying you'd like to see countless babies aborted is bad, and that is why the posts have been deleted at this time.

Lager
02-23-2011, 08:03 PM
Maybe they're worried the agents don't wash their hands after work. :D

Novaheart
02-23-2011, 08:56 PM
So should service employees refuse to serve anyone they disagree with? Wow, that's a great work ethic. Hopefully they'll have time to evaluate their juvenile reasoning in the un-employment line. Is liberalism a fashionable way to extend adolescence? Wouldn't you find it offensive and outrageous if a company like Chidk Fil A refused to serve gays?

Apples and oranges.

Being gay is not a political position, it's a sexual orientation. It's a characteristic, a be thing rather than a do thing.

To check your work, like math, try to see if it works in reverse. Did I suggest that Michelle Bachmann be discriminated against because she's heterosexual? No, because Bachmann's heterosexuality isn't why she's trash. So the question of Chik Fil A discriminating against gay people only make sense if I had suggested that the restaurants of Washington discriminate against straight people, and I haven't. Michelle Bachmann's problem isn't that she's straight, it's that she's a whackjob and a total bitch. Those are not characteristics, those are character flaws.

Madisonian
02-23-2011, 09:05 PM
Missionary position and doggy style are sexual orientations.:D

Nobody is sure what homosexuality is. Genetic makeup, personal preference or character flaw? Jury is still out on that one.

Rockntractor
02-23-2011, 09:07 PM
Missionary position and doggy style are sexual orientations.:D

Nobody is sure what homosexuality is. Genetic makeup, personal preference or character flaw? Jury is still out on that one.

Sex is procreation so it can't be that.

Lager
02-23-2011, 09:17 PM
Plugging homosexuality into the equation was used as a symbol of someone whose opinions might be opposed from yours. You were condoning providing bad service to someone simply because their views are different. Plug something else in, and it's the same thing. Suppose they didn't want to serve you because you had a pro-choice T-shirt on? There are a thousand other examples I could give, but you get the point. The incredible self-importance people feel today, that they simply will not accept that there are people who don't think the same way as them.

Odysseus
02-23-2011, 09:30 PM
Apples and oranges.

Being gay is not a political position, it's a sexual orientation. It's a characteristic, a be thing rather than a do thing.

To check your work, like math, try to see if it works in reverse. Did I suggest that Michelle Bachmann be discriminated against because she's heterosexual? No, because Bachmann's heterosexuality isn't why she's trash. So the question of Chik Fil A discriminating against gay people only make sense if I had suggested that the restaurants of Washington discriminate against straight people, and I haven't. Michelle Bachmann's problem isn't that she's straight, it's that she's a whackjob and a total bitch. Those are not characteristics, those are character flaws.

Michelle Bachmann isn't trash, just because you don't like her. In fact, your disdain is a sign of her good character. And suggesting that restaurants be allowed to deny service to people because of their politics is not a road that you want to go down. Most entrepreneurs are conservative, and they might find your conduct worse than hers.

Novaheart
02-23-2011, 09:34 PM
Michelle Bachmann isn't trash, just because you don't like her. In fact, your disdain is a sign of her good character. And suggesting that restaurants be allowed to deny service to people because of their politics is not a road that you want to go down. Most entrepreneurs are conservative, and they might find your conduct worse than hers.

Source?

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 09:56 AM
Source?

Too easy:

http://assets.bizjournals.com/cms_media/bizjournals/pdf/PDFStimulusReportMarch2009.pdf

The survey of small business owners found the following:


Party Affiliation:

Republican--42%
Democrat--16%
Independent--34%
None--8%

They opposed Obama's stimulus package by a 2:1 margin, 63% against vs 31% in favor.
They opposed cap and trade by a similar margin, 53% to 24%.
They thought that Obamacare was unrealistic, 60% vs 30% and 63% thought that it would increase their business costs, vs. 24% who thought that it wouldn't.

You were saying?

Novaheart
02-24-2011, 10:02 AM
Too easy:

http://assets.bizjournals.com/cms_media/bizjournals/pdf/PDFStimulusReportMarch2009.pdf

The survey of small business owners found the following:


Party Affiliation:

Republican--42%
Democrat--16%
Independent--34%
None--8%

They opposed Obama's stimulus package by a 2:1 margin, 63% against vs 31% in favor.
They opposed cap and trade by a similar margin, 53% to 24%.
They thought that Obamacare was unrealistic, 60% vs 30% and 63% thought that it would increase their business costs, vs. 24% who thought that it wouldn't.

You were saying?

That's an interesting survey. While it could support your claim it does not prove your claim, which is why I asked for the source of the claim.

301 Interviews with business owners, CEOs, and presidents
Companies with 5-499 employees

I think you would agree that the sample is small, and that starting the sample at businesses with 5 employees eliminates a sizable chunk of truly small business. Perhaps we were thinking about two different degrees of entrepreneur. I was thinking about truly small businesses, ie proprietorships primarily.

Bailey
02-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Apples and oranges.

Being gay is not a political position, it's a sexual orientation. It's a characteristic, a be thing rather than a do thing.

To check your work, like math, try to see if it works in reverse. Did I suggest that Michelle Bachmann be discriminated against because she's heterosexual? No, because Bachmann's heterosexuality isn't why she's trash. So the question of Chik Fil A discriminating against gay people only make sense if I had suggested that the restaurants of Washington discriminate against straight people, and I haven't. Michelle Bachmann's problem isn't that she's straight, it's that she's a whackjob and a total bitch. Those are not characteristics, those are character flaws.

Well being gay is a choice along with being a bitch so I'd say both are character flaws.

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 11:11 AM
That's an interesting survey. While it could support your claim it does not prove your claim, which is why I asked for the source of the claim.

301 Interviews with business owners, CEOs, and presidents
Companies with 5-499 employees

I think you would agree that the sample is small, and that starting the sample at businesses with 5 employees eliminates a sizable chunk of truly small business. Perhaps we were thinking about two different degrees of entrepreneur. I was thinking about truly small businesses, ie proprietorships primarily.

I think that you were just looking for a way to deny what most people would see as obvious, that people who own their own businesses are more likely to be conservative than the population as a whole, which is also more conservative than liberal.

Regardless, the aside is done and I've made my argument. You have not provided any evidence to the contrary.

Now, as to my original point, which is that most business owners might find your conduct more objectionable than Bachmann's, my point, that if you find it acceptable for businesses to discriminate based on political affiliation, then you would have a hard time explaining why a business would be wrong to discriminate against a gay activist.

txradioguy
02-24-2011, 11:21 AM
That's an interesting survey. While it could support your claim it does not prove your claim, which is why I asked for the source of the claim.

301 Interviews with business owners, CEOs, and presidents
Companies with 5-499 employees

I think you would agree that the sample is small, and that starting the sample at businesses with 5 employees eliminates a sizable chunk of truly small business. Perhaps we were thinking about two different degrees of entrepreneur. I was thinking about truly small businesses, ie proprietorships primarily.

I think everyone would agree that you were looking for something...anything you could grasp on to in the survey to keep from having to admit you were wrong.

Again.

Odysseus
02-24-2011, 11:49 AM
I think everyone would agree that you were looking for something...anything you could grasp on to in the survey to keep from having to admit you were wrong.

Again.

Now, back to the original post topic, a couple of observations:

I don't know that I'd exclude TSA employees from a restaurant because they groped me, but I'd certainly make them wash their hands before I'd serve them.

I used to belong to a unit that was near a pizza place. During the seventies, the waitress decided that she wouldn't serve uniformed personnel, on the grounds that she didn't want to handle their "blood money", so the squadron commander had a chat with the owner. He told him that he supported their right to deny service to his troops, and in order to ensure that his rights were protected, he was declaring the establishment off limits, so that he'd never have to worry about them spending their filthy blood money in his establishment. The owner, who wasn't a moonbat, canned the waitress.

If the TSA objects to being excluded from the restaurant, they have several options. First, they can file suit, which may or may not go in their favor. Second, they can try to organize a boycott of the restaurant and see if anyone else will support them. Third, they can eat elsewhere.

Lager
02-24-2011, 06:14 PM
And isn't it rather foolish to blame the agents for policies designed by higher ups? What happened to the love for the workers?

Novaheart
02-24-2011, 07:18 PM
I think everyone would agree that you were looking for something...anything you could grasp on to in the survey to keep from having to admit you were wrong.

Again.

Everyone has been known to agree on something wrongheaded before. I was simply asking what your source was, since it's quite common for those who consider themselves to be "conservative" (or Christian, or Nebraskan, or what have you) to attribute all sorts of qualities to that identity to the exclusion of others. Contrary to a belief that is popular in some suburbs, the real world is full of slacker, dishonest, randomly fucking, Republicans who may or may not also identify themselves as conservative, Christian, "family values", or some category of sacred cow on this bulletin board. I was not surprised to see that you source wasn't terribly sound. The sample is indeed too small. If you were to poll a similar size group of truly small businesses in any major US city, I doubt seriously it would yield the same results.

Novaheart
02-24-2011, 07:19 PM
And isn't it rather foolish to blame the agents for policies designed by higher ups? What happened to the love for the workers?

Just following orders?

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 07:20 PM
If you were to poll a similar size group of truly small businesses in any major US city, I doubt seriously it would yield the same results.

Pull one out of your ass and show us!

Lager
02-24-2011, 07:49 PM
Just following orders?

Yes, they're following orders. Legal orders. So your intended reference is moot. I bet they dislike it as much as air travelers, but their goal is to make air travel safer. They may become unionized soon, which means your opinion of them will have to do a 180.

Novaheart
02-24-2011, 07:52 PM
Pull one out of your ass and show us!

I don't quote made up studies, debunked studies, crafted studies. Now if you will go back and read what I actually wrote, I also didn't say that his study didn't support his claim. I noted that the study is small and a bit strange, excluding most truly small businesses. I then theorized that it is this odd sampling which generated the difference between my perception and his claim. So, fuck off,. it's tiresome.

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 07:58 PM
I don't quote made up studies, debunked studies, crafted studies. Now if you will go back and read what I actually wrote, I also didn't say that his study didn't support his claim. I noted that the study is small and a bit strange, excluding most truly small businesses. I then theorized that it is this odd sampling which generated the difference between my perception and his claim. So, fuck off,. it's tiresome.

You were just telling us how a nonexistent study would beat the one given.

malloc
02-24-2011, 08:15 PM
I don't quote made up studies, debunked studies, crafted studies. Now if you will go back and read what I actually wrote, I also didn't say that his study didn't support his claim. I noted that the study is small and a bit strange, excluding most truly small businesses. I then theorized that it is this odd sampling which generated the difference between my perception and his claim. So, fuck off,. it's tiresome.

I think you are confused about what small business means, and what effects different types of business have on America. Choosing to poll small businesses between 5 and 500 employees or whatever was the correct choice for this type of poll. Think about it for a second. Every restaurant you have ever eaten in, even the franchised ones is a small business which is a candidate for this poll. The same goes for hotels, cabinet shops, mechanic's shops, law and doctor's practices, most construction and manufacturing companies. There are construction companies, manufacturers and maybe even law offices which employ more than 500 people, but not many when compared to how many factories employ less than 500. This 5 to 500 section of small business is the biggest source of jobs in the United States. Census (http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html)

The study was correct in choosing employment firms over non-employment firms in that employment firms represent a much larger impact.

Novaheart
02-24-2011, 08:41 PM
I think you are confused about what small business means, and what effects different types of business have on America. Choosing to poll small businesses between 5 and 500 employees or whatever was the correct choice for this type of poll. Think about it for a second. Every restaurant you have ever eaten in, even the franchised ones is a small business which is a candidate for this poll. The same goes for hotels, cabinet shops, mechanic's shops, law and doctor's practices, most construction and manufacturing companies. There are construction companies, manufacturers and maybe even law offices which employ more than 500 people, but not many when compared to how many factories employ less than 500. This 5 to 500 section of small business is the biggest source of jobs in the United States. Census (http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html)

The study was correct in choosing employment firms over non-employment firms in that employment firms represent a much larger impact.


What you have said may well be true of whatever the purpose of the study was, but the study was brought here to prove a much more general claim by the poster, "Most entrepreneurs are conservative". When I asked for a source, it was because my personal experience is that in the major cities that I am familiar with, a walk down the high street will not likely yield a tremendous number of people that Odysseus would probably consider "conservative". I think you'll find that most of them are socially liberal.

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 08:45 PM
When I asked for a source, it was because my personal experience is that in the major cities that I am familiar with, a walk down the high street will not likely yield a tremendous number of people that Odysseus would probably consider "conservative". I think you'll find that most of them are socially liberal.

As are many on this site, but they are fiscally conservative, or like you simply attention whores.

Bailey
02-24-2011, 08:46 PM
What you have said may well be true of whatever the purpose of the study was, but the study was brought here to prove a much more general claim by the poster, "Most entrepreneurs are conservative". When I asked for a source, it was because my personal experience is that in the major cities that I am familiar with, a walk down the high street will not likely yield a tremendous number of people that Odysseus would probably consider "conservative". I think you'll find that most of them are socially liberal.

And mostly degenerate perverts as well tinkerbell.

Novaheart
02-24-2011, 08:50 PM
As are many on this site, but they are fiscally conservative, or like you simply attention whores.

I prefer "attention sex worker".

Novaheart
02-24-2011, 08:51 PM
And mostly degenerate perverts as well tinkerbell.

That too, you bivalve.

Bailey
02-24-2011, 08:54 PM
That too, you bivalve.

Whoa easy with the language there twinkle toes, you might hurt my feelings, wait I don't have any carry on TB.

Rockntractor
02-24-2011, 09:07 PM
I prefer "attention sex worker".

:D

NJCardFan
02-24-2011, 09:58 PM
Whoa easy with the language there twinkle toes, you might hurt my feelings, wait I don't have any carry on TB.

Did he call you a clam?

AmPat
02-24-2011, 10:54 PM
That's an interesting survey. While it could support your claim it does not prove your claim, which is why I asked for the source of the claim.

301 Interviews with business owners, CEOs, and presidents
Companies with 5-499 employees

I think you would agree that the sample is small, and that starting the sample at businesses with 5 employees eliminates a sizable chunk of truly small business. Perhaps we were thinking about two different degrees of entrepreneur. I was thinking about truly small businesses, ie proprietorships primarily.

Translation:
I really thought I had you there but you totally spanked me and now I have to crawfish and quibble. :rolleyes:

Bailey
02-25-2011, 06:35 AM
Did he call you a clam?

Well I guess he called me the name of a thing he really doesn't like. ;)

Odysseus
02-25-2011, 02:20 PM
And isn't it rather foolish to blame the agents for policies designed by higher ups? What happened to the love for the workers?

It's like the antiwar activists who used to spit on returning draftees during the Vietnam War. They were attacking the people least responsible for the policies that they claimed to find objectionable, but nobody ever said that leftists were rational.


What you have said may well be true of whatever the purpose of the study was, but the study was brought here to prove a much more general claim by the poster, "Most entrepreneurs are conservative". When I asked for a source, it was because my personal experience is that in the major cities that I am familiar with, a walk down the high street will not likely yield a tremendous number of people that Odysseus would probably consider "conservative". I think you'll find that most of them are socially liberal.

Most major cities tend to be more liberal than conservative (and if you need a link for that, you're really being a nitpicker), but even then, you don't know the political affiliations or attitudes of most of the shopkeepers and business owners that you walk past. You'd be surprised how many small business owners in places like New York City, Los Angeles and other urban centers are conservatives. They don't advertise it because it doesn't have anything to do with what they are selling, and it doesn't serve them to alienate potential customers. But, by all means, continue to present your absurdly anecdotal "personal experience" as superior to an actual study.