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Odysseus
03-21-2011, 12:11 PM
Union Thuggery Goes Unreported

By GLENN HARLAN REYNOLDS
http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/uncivil_disobedience_giA69m0VoRyvvBqnrySi5J

Last Updated: 4:39 AM, March 21, 2011

Posted: 10:23 PM, March 20, 2011

Just a couple of months ago, in the wake of Jared Loughner's shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, simple talk of "targeting" a political opponent for defeat was treated as beyond the pale. But let's look at some more recent language -- and conduct -- that our bien-pensant punditry can't be bothered to notice, let alone condemn.

In Michigan, protesters opposed to Gov. Rick Snyder's austerity budget broke a window to get into the capitol building. One faces felony charges after assaulting police with an edged weapon; 14 were arrested.

In Washington, DC, the windows at GOP headquarters were shot out, not the first time that Republican offices have been subject to such attacks.

In Madison, Wis., the state capitol was occupied for weeks by teachers-union members and their supporters. Doors and windows were broken; a mob tried to keep Republican state senators from entering the Senate chamber to vote.

And blogger Ann Althouse -- a Wisconsin law professor who voted for Barack Obama -- received nasty threats for the crime of posting video depicting this thuggish conduct on YouTube: "We will f--- you up," the threateners wrote. This was not the first threat she has received for her blogging.

The GOP state senators who supported Gov. Scott Walker's budget also received death threats, including an e-mail reading, in part: "I want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and your republican dictators have to die.

"This is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult [sic] you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head.

"However, this isn't enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun."

This threat was more credible because mobs of union protesters had already visited senators' houses, screaming and banging on the windows.

At the Huffington Post, liberal Lee Stranahan wonders why this kind of thing isn't getting more attention from the traditional media who were tut-tutting over much more minor (and even imaginary) offenses to civility so very recently. "Ignoring the story of these threats is deeply, fundamentally wrong. It's bad, biased journalism that will lead to no possible good outcome and progressives should be leading the charge against it.

"Just before writing this article, I did a Google search and it's stunning to find out that the right-wing media really isn't exaggerating -- proven death threats against politicians are being ignored by the supposedly honest media. If you've never agreed with a single thing that Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly et al have said about anything, you can't in any good conscience say that they don't have a point here. Death threats are wrong and if a story like Wisconsin is national news for days, then so are death threats."

He's right, but the big-media folks seem so anxious to peddle the same tired storyline -- right-wingers are violent and ignorant, left-wingers are peaceful and virtuous -- that they almost have to ignore anything that will spoil the narrative.

But in doing this, they only undermine their own position more. Word still gets out -- even to liberals at the Huffington Post. And people catch on: If there are big stories out there that traditional media won't cover because it offends their storyline, then why listen to traditional media at all?

Glenn Reynolds teaches law at the University of Tennessee. He also hosts "InstaVision" on PJTV.com.

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So, Wei, Shoe, Wilbur and any other supporters of violent labor cartels, any comments?

megimoo
03-21-2011, 12:36 PM
Union Thuggery Goes Unreported

By GLENN HARLAN REYNOLDS
http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/uncivil_disobedience_giA69m0VoRyvvBqnrySi5J

Last Updated: 4:39 AM, March 21, 2011

Posted: 10:23 PM, March 20, 2011

Just a couple of months ago, in the wake of Jared Loughner's shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, simple talk of "targeting" a political opponent for defeat was treated as beyond the pale. But let's look at some more recent language -- and conduct -- that our bien-pensant punditry can't be bothered to notice, let alone condemn.

In Michigan, protesters opposed to Gov. Rick Snyder's austerity budget broke a window to get into the capitol building. One faces felony charges after assaulting police with an edged weapon; 14 were arrested.

In Washington, DC, the windows at GOP headquarters were shot out, not the first time that Republican offices have been subject to such attacks.

In Madison, Wis., the state capitol was occupied for weeks by teachers-union members and their supporters. Doors and windows were broken; a mob tried to keep Republican state senators from entering the Senate chamber to vote.

And blogger Ann Althouse -- a Wisconsin law professor who voted for Barack Obama -- received nasty threats for the crime of posting video depicting this thuggish conduct on YouTube: "We will f--- you up," the threateners wrote. This was not the first threat she has received for her blogging.

The GOP state senators who supported Gov. Scott Walker's budget also received death threats, including an e-mail reading, in part: "I want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and your republican dictators have to die.

"This is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult [sic] you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head.

"However, this isn't enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun."

This threat was more credible because mobs of union protesters had already visited senators' houses, screaming and banging on the windows.

At the Huffington Post, liberal Lee Stranahan wonders why this kind of thing isn't getting more attention from the traditional media who were tut-tutting over much more minor (and even imaginary) offenses to civility so very recently. "Ignoring the story of these threats is deeply, fundamentally wrong. It's bad, biased journalism that will lead to no possible good outcome and progressives should be leading the charge against it.

"Just before writing this article, I did a Google search and it's stunning to find out that the right-wing media really isn't exaggerating -- proven death threats against politicians are being ignored by the supposedly honest media. If you've never agreed with a single thing that Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly et al have said about anything, you can't in any good conscience say that they don't have a point here. Death threats are wrong and if a story like Wisconsin is national news for days, then so are death threats."

He's right, but the big-media folks seem so anxious to peddle the same tired storyline -- right-wingers are violent and ignorant, left-wingers are peaceful and virtuous -- that they almost have to ignore anything that will spoil the narrative.

But in doing this, they only undermine their own position more. Word still gets out -- even to liberals at the Huffington Post. And people catch on: If there are big stories out there that traditional media won't cover because it offends their storyline, then why listen to traditional media at all?

Glenn Reynolds teaches law at the University of Tennessee. He also hosts "InstaVision" on PJTV.com.

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So, Wei, Shoe, Wilbur and any other supporters of violent labor cartels, any comments?
Some of the union members are behaving like mobsters.The cops ,in most cases, just turn their backs on union criminal behavior .They share a bond with other union members and refuse to enforce the law equally .

This D.O.J is the same way and refuses to enforce the law equally where it conflicts with their agenda of black supremacy .The unions feel that they have Obama's backing and are allowed do as they wish, even assault is forgiven .If anyone has a Camera and attempts to record the unions crimes they will grab and smash it to prevent any evidence, while the cops look on .

The MSM will refuse to cover any union crimes and concentrate on naming the Tea Party as the culprits.It has become apparent that the unions are at war with the American people and will use force against us to get what they claim is their right !

Odysseus
03-21-2011, 12:44 PM
Some of the union members are behaving like mobsters.The cops ,in most cases, just turn their backs on union criminal behavior .They share a bond with other union members and refuse to enforce the law equally .

This D.O.J is the same way and refuses to enforce the law equally where it conflicts with their agenda of black supremacy .The unions feel that they have Obama's backing and are allowed do as they wish, even assault is forgiven .If anyone has a Camera and attempts to record the unions crimes they will grab and smash it to prevent any evidence, while the cops look on .

The MSM will refuse to cover any union crimes and concentrate on naming the Tea Party as the culprits.It has become apparent that the unions are at war with the American people and will use force against us to get what they claim is their right !

It's not that the unions are at war with us, it's that they are no different from any other criminal gang. They run a protection racket, and this is how they enforce their collection. The media sides with them because they side with the Democratic Party, which is the beneficiary of that union cash. I don't expect any better from the unions, but politicians who endorse extortion to perpetuate their power are the scum of the earth.

megimoo
03-21-2011, 01:52 PM
It's not that the unions are at war with us, it's that they are no different from any other criminal gang. They run a protection racket, and this is how they enforce their collection. The media sides with them because they side with the Democratic Party, which is the beneficiary of that union cash. I don't expect any better from the unions, but politicians who endorse extortion to perpetuate their power are the scum of the earth.
I expect the unions to obey the law just as the rest of us are required.I also expect equal representation and protection from our politicians and police .

The unions make demands on their members to pay dues to buy any politician in a position to force their agenda on the public.When they become powerful enough politically to make demands on the president of the United States we as a free people are in jeopardy as an nation,ergo we are at war with the unions .

Unions by their very nature are an us against them Organization,a private club of sorts .They make demands of the company's and threaten to put them out of business if they don't 'cave in' !They organize and return to demand more at the end of every contract.They form allegiances with other unions to intimidate and bully those whom they oppose,even entire state governments.Case in point invading and occupying the capitol building in Madison, Wisconsin and blocking the paths of duly elected public officials on their way to vote .

In an normal American they,their officials,would have been summoned before a judge and charged as an racketeering enterprise but these aren't normal times in America.Our Justice system is crippled with both an incompetent President and Attorney General with a Socialistic and extremely pro black anti white racist agenda .

noonwitch
03-21-2011, 02:27 PM
The unions in Michigan are just being ridiculous. Governor Snyder has done nothing yet to take away any union protections of state employees, and we really lost most of those back in the 90s, when Engler was governor.


This is about the teacher's unions, as they are the only public sector union left in the state who still have collective bargaining. Maybe some municipal employee unions do, but the state employees don't.

fettpett
03-21-2011, 03:02 PM
The unions in Michigan are just being ridiculous. Governor Snyder has done nothing yet to take away any union protections of state employees, and we really lost most of those back in the 90s, when Engler was governor.


This is about the teacher's unions, as they are the only public sector union left in the state who still have collective bargaining. Maybe some municipal employee unions do, but the state employees don't.

yep, they got the "Recall Fever" bunch of morons

Odysseus
03-21-2011, 05:47 PM
I expect the unions to obey the law just as the rest of us are required.I also expect equal representation and protection from our politicians and police .

The unions make demands on their members to pay dues to buy any politician in a position to force their agenda on the public.When they become powerful enough politically to make demands on the president of the United States we as a free people are in jeopardy as an nation,ergo we are at war with the unions .

Unions by their very nature are an us against them Organization,a private club of sorts .They make demands of the company's and threaten to put them out of business if they don't 'cave in' !They organize and return to demand more at the end of every contract.They form allegiances with other unions to intimidate and bully those whom they oppose,even entire state governments.Case in point invading and occupying the capitol building in Madison, Wisconsin and blocking the paths of duly elected public officials on their way to vote .

In an normal American they,their officials,would have been summoned before a judge and charged as an racketeering enterprise but these aren't normal times in America.Our Justice system is crippled with both an incompetent President and Attorney General with a Socialistic and extremely pro black anti white racist agenda .
The Sherman Antitrust Act was applied against unions more than any other type of enterprise in the first few years after it was passed. Eventually, an amendment exempted unions, but if you read the original text of the act, it's almost a description of what unions are and do. I don't expect them to obey the law, any more than I expect the members of the Medellin Cartel to the law. Their entire raison d'etre is based on disobedience to laws that they find inconvenient, and violent attacks on anyone who feels otherwise. What I do expect is for the law to recognize their lawless nature and deal with them appropriately.


The unions in Michigan are just being ridiculous. Governor Snyder has done nothing yet to take away any union protections of state employees, and we really lost most of those back in the 90s, when Engler was governor.

This is about the teacher's unions, as they are the only public sector union left in the state who still have collective bargaining. Maybe some municipal employee unions do, but the state employees don't.
The unions aren't interested in facts, they are fighting a rearguard action. They know that if one state manages to defeat their demands, it will embolden the others. Public sector unions are their only strength, and if those are weakened, then they cannot continue to dictate terms. The left recognizes that they are in serious peril due to Obama's overreach and the perilous state of American finance. They know that the people in the private sector who are living closer to the bone don't appreciate paying for benefits for public employees that far surpass anything that they will see. This backlash, unlike the ones prior to the Depression, are based on people's direct experience with unions and their lack of patience with their incessant demands.

Madisonian
03-21-2011, 06:15 PM
The unions in Michigan are just being ridiculous. Governor Snyder has done nothing yet to take away any union protections of state employees, and we really lost most of those back in the 90s, when Engler was governor.


This is about the teacher's unions, as they are the only public sector union left in the state who still have collective bargaining. Maybe some municipal employee unions do, but the state employees don't.

I know you like to lay all the ills of Michigan on Engler, but you should do some fact checking first.
The Engler years (1991-2002, can't really count 2003 since the office changes on Jan 1) show a high of 1,042,000 in 1996 to a low of 947,000 in 2002, his last year in office and 7 of his 12 exceeding 1,000,000.

By contrast, the wonderful Ms. Granholm led a year to year decline that started at 968,000 in 2003 and ended at 659,000 by the end of her term in 2010.
(source: http://www.bls.gov/ro5/unionmi.htm Bureau Of Labor Statistics)

No matter how you cut it, Jenny was in office for the loss of more union jobs than Engler was. Over 300,000 for Jenny (high to low) versus less than 100,000 for Engler over 12 years as opposed to Jenny's 8.
In fact at times during Engler's administration, union membership grew where as the clever Canadian's numbers consistently dropped.

NJCardFan
03-21-2011, 10:37 PM
Having been a union man for most of my working life(IBEW, Teamsters, F.O.P., P.B.A.), here's my take. There is a tremendously great aspect of a union and that is as an advocate. No one knows that more than I, especially considering the BS I went through at the end of last year. And I can't thank my IVP( our version of a shop steward) for what he did for me. However, with the good comes the bad. The demands, especially in light that those demands come from the backs of taxpayers, that they can be a little ridiculous. This goes for public employee unions. Private company unions are a different story because you can base your demands on the success of the company, however, they don't take responsibility for the failures of that company. Many a company has gone down due to the unreasonable demands of unions. And in the end, especially when a company strikes, the collateral damage is the workers who suffer in the end. The muckety mucks with the company are fine as are the union leaders. And do not dare cross the picket lines.

See, I used to be a hard core union guy. I was a thug. I'll admit it. I was sucked into it. I worked on the campaign of Jimmy Hoffa jr. in 1996 and '98. I was on the contract negotiating committee of the company I worked for in 1998. And I pulled some nasty BS involving union members of a rival company and I can tell you now, that I am ashamed for my actions. I didn't hurt anyone physically but let's just say that I did some things that I am not proud of today and that I refuse to discuss with anyone. Even my wife doesn't know what I did and nor will I tell her. So, I've seen this from both ends and can honestly say that unions have long since outlived their usefulness.