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CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-24-2011, 09:08 AM
Hey--

I've been considering now for a while joining the military, preferably the army. I'm 20 and I'd be a 4th generation army enlistee if I was to join.

However---

I suffer from two medical conditions. One a heart condition which is very easily controlled with medication. The condition isn't life threatening, and the medication required has no cognitive side effects. The other condition is varicose veins. They don't impede me really except to cause pain once in a while.

I'd like to serve in some way but I don't see how I'd be allowed to with these conditons.

txradioguy
03-24-2011, 09:16 AM
Hey--

I've been considering now for a while joining the military, preferably the army. I'm 20 and I'd be a 4th generation army enlistee if I was to join.

However---

I suffer from two medical conditions. One a heart condition which is very easily controlled with medication. The condition isn't life threatening, and the medication required has no cognitive side effects. The other condition is varicose veins. They don't impede me really except to cause pain once in a while.

I'd like to serve in some way but I don't see how I'd be allowed to with these conditons.

The heart condition is going to be the deal breaker.

You could always work for the services as a civilian.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-24-2011, 09:23 AM
The heart condition is going to be the deal breaker.

You could always work for the services as a civilian.

Perhaps...But like I said, with the medication I'm on I get no symptoms of the condition. It's an electrical condition. My heart in terms of it's shape and size is normal; no physical abnormalities. Basically when off the medicine I get fast heart rates due to the electrical charges in the heart misfiring. But on the medication that never happens.

I really want to serve. I don't believe my conditions would impede the performance of whatever unit I'd be attached to--and that's what most important, group performance. Kennedy could serve well with a very fucked up back and Addison's Disease, and my conditions are nowhere near as debilitating.

Gingersnap
03-24-2011, 09:33 AM
I have no idea how the military views those conditions but you can at least fix the vein thing. They do it with lasers now and there's no downtime. You'd probably still develop more as you age but that would be later. :)

txradioguy
03-24-2011, 09:33 AM
Perhaps...But like I said, with the medication I'm on I get no symptoms of the condition. It's an electrical condition. My heart in terms of it's shape and size is normal; no physical abnormalities. Basically when off the medicine I get fast heart rates due to the electrical charges in the heart misfiring. But on the medication that never happens.

I really want to serve. I don't believe my conditions would impede the performance of whatever unit I'd be attached to--and that's what most important, group performance. Kennedy could serve well with a very fucked up back and Addison's Disease, and my conditions are nowhere near as debilitating.

You would have to go through basic training without medication...IF they would let you get that far.

We had a guy sent home during my basic training for Migranes. If you have certain types of asthma you're not able to get in.

I'm glad that you have the desire to serve. But the reality is you may have to find another way to do it.

fettpett
03-24-2011, 09:34 AM
Perhaps...But like I said, with the medication I'm on I get no symptoms of the condition. It's an electrical condition. My heart in terms of it's shape and size is normal; no physical abnormalities. Basically when off the medicine I get fast heart rates due to the electrical charges in the heart misfiring. But on the medication that never happens.

I really want to serve. I don't believe my conditions would impede the performance of whatever unit I'd be attached to--and that's what most important, group performance. Kennedy could serve well with a very fucked up back and Addison's Disease, and my conditions are nowhere near as debilitating.

Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff-parkinson-white)? My sister has that and she used the medication for a while but it wasn't working so she had the surgery, it's done much better to control it than the medication ever did.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-24-2011, 09:40 AM
You would have to go through basic training without medication...IF they would let you get that far.

We had a guy sent home during my basic training for Migranes. If you have certain types of asthma you're not able to get in.

I'm glad that you have the desire to serve. But the reality is you may have to find another way to do it.

My father got in in 1976 after being turned down in 1972 (at age 18) for hypertension....

and my grandpa was allowed to continue to serve even after he contracted Malaria (while in the service. They had him stationed in Panama and he got Malaria there, and even after getting the Malaria they still sent him to Europe).

CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-24-2011, 09:42 AM
I mean perhaps I could do something like the FBI. It's not the same as serving in the military sadly, but I have always had the desire to catch crooks.

Starbuck
03-24-2011, 09:57 AM
I mean perhaps I could do something like the FBI. It's not the same as serving in the military sadly, but I have always had the desire to catch crooks.

FBI agents have accounting degrees or law degrees. At least that's how it used to be.

But law enforcement is a good career. Lots of different ways to enter, too.

Apocalypse
03-24-2011, 10:44 AM
Perhaps...But like I said, with the medication I'm on I get no symptoms of the condition. It's an electrical condition. My heart in terms of it's shape and size is normal; no physical abnormalities. Basically when off the medicine I get fast heart rates due to the electrical charges in the heart misfiring. But on the medication that never happens.

I really want to serve. I don't believe my conditions would impede the performance of whatever unit I'd be attached to--and that's what most important, group performance. Kennedy could serve well with a very fucked up back and Addison's Disease, and my conditions are nowhere near as debilitating.

I doubt they will take you with what you said about the 'electrical charges in the heart'.

That is kinda serious when not on meds,

To put it into perspective. I wanted to join, but was told flat out no, because I have just on the strong side a heart murmur. I take Tylenol when going in for any operations, even dental teeth cleaning for it, but thats it, but they flat out told me no.

Basically the military doesn't want to be responsible for you if any thing happens. Say you are in the field and are unable to get those meds for a week or two. If you have a heart attack, they don't want to be at fault for it.

Adam Wood
03-24-2011, 10:52 AM
Hey--

I've been considering now for a while joining the military, preferably the army. I'm 20 and I'd be a 4th generation army enlistee if I was to join.

However---

I suffer from two medical conditions. One a heart condition which is very easily controlled with medication. The condition isn't life threatening, and the medication required has no cognitive side effects. The other condition is varicose veins. They don't impede me really except to cause pain once in a while.

I'd like to serve in some way but I don't see how I'd be allowed to with these conditons.
The heart condition is going to be the deal breaker.

You could always work for the services as a civilian.That would be my guess. When I was going to sign up, the recruiter just told me to stop right there when I said "heart murmur." Pretty much anything heart-related and apparently they just won't take you at all. Too much liability, I suppose, from the standpoint of basic, and then for obvious reasons they don't want someone having a heart problem in the middle of a battle.

I'm sure you can go talk to a recruiter about it and see what the word is these days, but I'd lay odds they're going to say "no way" as soon as they hear anything like "heart condition."

Wei Wu Wei
03-24-2011, 11:07 AM
Not everyone is built the same way OP. there are many ways for you to serve your community and your country without necessarily joining the military. I can understand the desire to do so if there is a strong family history of service (I have family in service as well), but that's okay.

Maybe your minor heart problem is enough to prevent you from joining the military but you can also see it as an opportunity to come up with new ways to live a fulfilling life. Perhaps you can study really hard, ask all of the important questions, and use your brain to help your nation.

Apocalypse
03-24-2011, 11:29 AM
Maybe your minor heart problem is enough to prevent you from joining the military but you can also see it as an opportunity to come up with new ways to live a fulfilling life. Perhaps you can study really hard, ask all of the important questions, and use your brain to help your nation.

Wei I'm going to be nice here and give you a chance to clarify this part before you get ripped apart for the way it comes off.

I'm actually going to give you the benefit of doubt you didn't mean it the way it sounds.

NJCardFan
03-24-2011, 12:56 PM
I mean perhaps I could do something like the FBI. It's not the same as serving in the military sadly, but I have always had the desire to catch crooks.
Join corrections. It's good money and not as dangerous as TV leads you to believe, however, when shit goes down, it goes down.

NJCardFan
03-24-2011, 12:58 PM
Wei I'm going to be nice here and give you a chance to clarify this part before you get ripped apart for the way it comes off.

I'm actually going to give you the benefit of doubt you didn't mean it the way it sounds.

No, it's exactly the way it sounds. Once a douche always a douche. All he did was repeat what Kerry said. Just paraphrased it. WeeWee needs to be banned.

jediab
03-24-2011, 01:29 PM
I know there are many different positions available to civilian contractors that work with the military. Not Black Water type stuff, but consultants and engineer type things. Maybe one of those careers might be interest. You could still serve while being a civilian.

noonwitch
03-24-2011, 03:37 PM
I mean perhaps I could do something like the FBI. It's not the same as serving in the military sadly, but I have always had the desire to catch crooks.

Have you checked into the Coast Guard yet? They might have different medical standards. My brother got rejected from the ROTC/Navy program for having bone spurs in his elbow and having astigmatism, but they would have taken him as a straight out enlistee.


The FBI might have similar requirements to the military. State cops are good jobs, but you generally need a Bachelor's degree in criminal justice or a similar field. County sheriff's officers are also good jobs-in Michigan, sometimes you can even get whatever they call the boat units. My county is on Lake St. Clair, so the Macomb County Sheriff's office patrols the US side of the lake. Any of the counties that border one of the big lakes, or has a big inland lake within it's boundaries has that kind of unit. Mostly, it's boat safety issues and such, but they occasionally work with the DEA and INS.

Zafod
03-24-2011, 03:56 PM
I was discharged for bursitis in my right shoulder.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-24-2011, 05:57 PM
I was discharged for bursitis in my right shoulder.

I had bursitis of the knee once, a few years ago. Pretty damn painful if I recall correctly.

Zafod
03-24-2011, 06:07 PM
I had bursitis of the knee once, a few years ago. Pretty damn painful if I recall correctly.

mine was degenerative. I wanted to stay in but they wouldnt pass me.

I had the shoulder ground out a couple of years ago.

one of the reasons I got into power lifting a strong man is because the rehab had me trying to build up lean muscle mass in my shoulders to counter the lack of bursa lining.

I started to get build shoulders and caught the lifting bug.

fettpett
03-24-2011, 06:11 PM
mine was degenerative. I wanted to stay in but they wouldnt pass me.

I had the shoulder ground out a couple of years ago.

one of the reasons I got into power lifting a strong man is because the rehab had me trying to build up lean muscle mass in my shoulders to counter the lack of bursa lining.

I started to get build shoulders and caught the lifting bug.

didn't they give you antibiotics for it? or do something to help bring down the swelling?

Zafod
03-24-2011, 06:18 PM
didn't they give you antibiotics for it? or do something to help bring down the swelling?

The bursa lining is gone in places. the tendons rub on the bone directly now

Zafod
03-24-2011, 06:20 PM
That and I had bone spurs from a accident years before.


My shoulder sounds like a cement mixer

fettpett
03-24-2011, 06:22 PM
damn...that sucks...they didn't go in and clean out the bone spurs?

Zafod
03-24-2011, 08:10 PM
They did for the ones they could get at. But it still pops and grinds.

Odysseus
03-28-2011, 01:58 PM
Talk to a recruiter and be up front about your heart condition. If it's not a bar to enlistment, he'll know. If it is, the other services may have different standards. Also, the standards change all the time, as new treatments mitigate a lot of conditions that used to be bars to enlistment.


Not everyone is built the same way OP. there are many ways for you to serve your community and your country without necessarily joining the military. I can understand the desire to do so if there is a strong family history of service (I have family in service as well), but that's okay.
Making license plates doesn't count as service, Wei.


Maybe your minor heart problem is enough to prevent you from joining the military but you can also see it as an opportunity to come up with new ways to live a fulfilling life. Perhaps you can study really hard, ask all of the important questions, and use your brain to help your nation.
Or, if not, you can be like Wei and try to screw it up by corrupting young minds and spewing idiocy on the web.