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megimoo
03-25-2011, 09:11 AM
CBO: Taxing mileage a 'practical option' for revenue enhancement

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) this week released a report that said taxing people based on how many miles they drive is a possible option for raising new revenues and that these taxes could be used to offset the costs of highway maintenance at a time when federal funds are short.

The report discussed the proposal in great detail, including the development of technology that would allow total vehicle miles traveled (VMT) to be tracked, reported and taxed, as well as the pros and cons of mandating the installation of this technology in all vehicles.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/151765-cbo-says-taxing-drivers-based-on-miles-driven-a-real-option-for-raising-revenues

Apache
03-25-2011, 11:45 AM
There is no way in hell that would pass, not right now...

Arroyo_Doble
03-25-2011, 11:49 AM
Now that's a tax Burlington Northern could get behind.

Apache
03-25-2011, 12:02 PM
Now that's a tax Burlington Northern could get behind.

Yeah, Screw the fact its unconstitutional.....

Arroyo_Doble
03-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Yeah, Screw the fact its unconstitutional.....

I was being glib about how such a tax would put a greater burden transporting freight over the road to the benefit of rail but I am curious as to why you think this is unconstitutional? Is it an issue with the 4th Amendment?

txradioguy
03-25-2011, 01:22 PM
There is no way in hell that would pass, not right now...

Never say never with this administration...they will do whatever they have to in order to further their agenda...damn the people and what they want.

namvet
03-25-2011, 02:09 PM
you'll be geetting a tax for the air you breath

ironhorsedriver
03-25-2011, 04:58 PM
you'll be geetting a tax for the air you breath

You do know one of Obama's Czars, early on, did propose that.

namvet
03-25-2011, 05:20 PM
You do know one of Obama's Czars, early on, did propose that.

next they'll be counting the turds in your stool

Tecate
03-25-2011, 05:43 PM
When a government is this bankrupt, I promise you that nothing is off the table.

Democrats... Republicans... It doesn't matter. They will come up with virtually anything to extract your wealth and to save their own political asses.

namvet
03-25-2011, 05:45 PM
When a government is this bankrupt, I promise you that nothing is off the table.

Democrats... Republicans... It doesn't matter. They will come up with virtually anything to extract your wealth and to save their own political asses.

hence the reason you only hear from em every 2 years

Apache
03-26-2011, 08:58 AM
Never say never with this administration...they will do whatever they have to in order to further their agenda...damn the people and what they want.

Which is why I put the last part on...not right now... They will wait until after the elections to pull that stunt ;)

namvet
03-26-2011, 09:07 AM
there's always congressional motors to fall back on

rAqPMJFaEdY

NJCardFan
03-26-2011, 09:45 AM
They'd have a hell of a time governing this. How are you supposed to substantiate it? Do you know how many cars there are? Unless they throw in a blanket tax, this is just a logistic impossibility.

lacarnut
03-26-2011, 10:00 AM
They'd have a hell of a time governing this. How are you supposed to substantiate it? Do you know how many cars there are? Unless they throw in a blanket tax, this is just a logistic impossibility.

If the gov. puts them on new cars, it will kill the auto industry. People will just buy used or run them till they fall apart. The gov. has already tried this kind of stupidity with the luxury tax on expensive cars and boats. People do not like punitive taxes and will do everything to avoid them.

Tecate
03-26-2011, 10:37 AM
I haven't heard these commercials for a little while, but some were running on the radio here locally not long ago. It was for car insurance where your rates were determined by the number of miles you drive. As much as I hate to admit it, I might actually make out under a system like that. My car is 8 years old (bought it new in 2003) and only has ~64K miles on it.

As for GPS tracking systems being installed on modern automobiles, I heard the "plug-in" for the device already exists in any vehicle after about '98 or '99. I have not personally researched it, or independently verified it for myself... I've just heard it before. Would love to ask a mechanic if they know anything about it.

fettpett
03-26-2011, 02:05 PM
They'd have a hell of a time governing this. How are you supposed to substantiate it? Do you know how many cars there are? Unless they throw in a blanket tax, this is just a logistic impossibility.

it won't be overly hard to tax people, gps and a mileage gage will do the trick. However mandating that the entire country put this kind of device on their cars would cause and uproar, as well it should. it's bullshit.

BTW Washington State had looked into doing this a couple years ago. didn't go anywhere if i remember correctly

PoliCon
03-26-2011, 04:25 PM
Stamp Act anyone?

Novaheart
03-26-2011, 04:38 PM
They'd have a hell of a time governing this. How are you supposed to substantiate it? Do you know how many cars there are? Unless they throw in a blanket tax, this is just a logistic impossibility.

When I lived in Virginia, cars had to be inspected every year. No reason why the inspection station couldn't punch in your mileage, and the state send you a bill.

I really don't understand why they keep trying to be so creative with these taxes. Pass a sales tax and get it over with. No exemptions, no exceptions. 1% across the board. You buy a million dollar house? You pay $10,000 in sales tax. You buy a $10,000 car, you pay $100 in sales tax. That's not going to kill anybody.

Wait, I have an idea. Let's round up the illegals from Mexico and charge Mexico to have them returned alive. Otherwise, we deport them to Yemen.

fettpett
03-26-2011, 04:42 PM
When I lived in Virginia, cars had to be inspected every year. No reason why the inspection station couldn't punch in your mileage, and the state send you a bill.

I really don't understand why they keep trying to be so creative with these taxes. Pass a sales tax and get it over with. No exemptions, no exceptions. 1% across the board. You buy a million dollar house? You pay $10,000 in sales tax. You buy a $10,000 car, you pay $100 in sales tax. That's not going to kill anybody.

Wait, I have an idea. Let's round up the illegals from Mexico and charge Mexico to have them returned alive. Otherwise, we deport them to Yemen.

wow...something I agree with :D

Rockntractor
03-26-2011, 04:45 PM
wow...something I agree with :D

No more taxes, period!! Less spending.

fettpett
03-26-2011, 04:48 PM
No more taxes, period!! Less spending.

well If we get rid of ALL current taxes and go with a straight 1-5% national sales tax then we'd know exactly how much money we'd have to spend, best of both worlds :D

Rockntractor
03-26-2011, 04:55 PM
well If we get rid of ALL current taxes and go with a straight 1-5% national sales tax then we'd know exactly how much money we'd have to spend, best of both worlds :D

With an absolute rule to stay within budget with no possibility of taxation increases.
It is time to cut this endless credit line off.

fettpett
03-26-2011, 05:13 PM
With an absolute rule to stay within budget with no possibility of taxation increases.
It is time to cut this endless credit line off.

agreed

AmPat
03-26-2011, 05:32 PM
With an absolute rule to stay within budget with no possibility of taxation increases.
It is time to cut this endless credit line off.


agreed

Right on both counts.

Our tax system needs replacing and spending must be cut.
Our new crop of spend thrifts have chopped a whopping 6 billion from the budget. We should have it under control in a few hundred years at that rate.

txradioguy
03-27-2011, 04:35 AM
They'd have a hell of a time governing this. How are you supposed to substantiate it? Do you know how many cars there are? Unless they throw in a blanket tax, this is just a logistic impossibility.


GM OnStar...Ford Synch...whatever the one that Chrysler has come out with now.

AmPat
03-27-2011, 10:42 AM
GM OnStar...Ford Synch...whatever the one that Chrysler has come out with now.
OBD II. It has the capacity already to allow remote shutdown of your car. It is a small step to traking and logging, then sending driving usage reports.:mad:

Lanie
03-27-2011, 10:58 PM
They're going to keep it up and people are not going to be able to go to work. If people can't go to work because of all of these taxes, there will be trouble IMO.

Rockntractor
03-27-2011, 11:13 PM
They're going to keep it up and people are not going to be able to go to work. If people can't go to work because of all of these taxes, there will be trouble IMO.

Nah, they'll just print more money and hand it out, I used to think that way too.

lacarnut
03-27-2011, 11:28 PM
They're going to keep it up and people are not going to be able to go to work. If people can't go to work because of all of these taxes, there will be trouble IMO.

You have not seen anything yet. Obummer plan is to place higher taxes on gasoline to pay for all those trillions he has pissed away. Comparable EU gas taxes coming your way to the tune of 6 and 7 dollars a gallon. Of course there will be credits, discounts, refunds for those low income families including those that are too lazy to work.

It is a shame that liberals like you do not understand the plan; lefties want the majority to be dependent on the government along with wealth distribution. One day it will sink in but by that time it will be too late because we all know that people will vote for the person that will give them more and more free shit.

AmPat
03-28-2011, 12:12 PM
You have not seen anything yet. Obummer plan is to place higher taxes on gasoline to pay for all those trillions he has pissed away. Comparable EU gas taxes coming your way to the tune of 6 and 7 dollars a gallon. Of course there will be credits, discounts, refunds for those low income families including those that are too lazy to work.

It is a shame that liberals like you do not understand the plan; lefties want the majority to be dependent on the government along with wealth distribution. One day it will sink in but by that time it will be too late because we all know that people will vote for the person that will give them more and more free shit.

EuroPEONS have smaller commute distances and live close to home. We have a culture of driving and an economy developed on cheap fuel and large commute distances.

My daily commute to work is 35 miles one way. Either we all live like ant people (or Koreans) on top of one another, or we will eventually have to develop subsistence closer to home.

txradioguy
03-29-2011, 12:23 AM
They're going to keep it up and people are not going to be able to go to work. If people can't go to work because of all of these taxes, there will be trouble IMO.

No what it actually is...is a push to force people to take the train or the bus and not own cars.

Owning and driving a car is a symbol of freedom and independence to Americans.

Socialism doesn't allow for independence or freedom.

Best way to break down the independent spirit of your average American...take their car away.

Lanie
03-29-2011, 02:27 PM
No what it actually is...is a push to force people to take the train or the bus and not own cars.

Owning and driving a car is a symbol of freedom and independence to Americans.

Socialism doesn't allow for independence or freedom.

Best way to break down the independent spirit of your average American...take their car away.

Well, I actually like public transportation. If I lived in DC or New York, I wouldn't own a car. People are entitled to their opinion though.

I do agree that it's going to push people to use public transportation whether they have a good public transformational system or not. That stinks.

Lanie
03-29-2011, 02:29 PM
You have not seen anything yet. Obummer plan is to place higher taxes on gasoline to pay for all those trillions he has pissed away. Comparable EU gas taxes coming your way to the tune of 6 and 7 dollars a gallon. Of course there will be credits, discounts, refunds for those low income families including those that are too lazy to work.

It is a shame that liberals like you do not understand the plan; lefties want the majority to be dependent on the government along with wealth distribution. One day it will sink in but by that time it will be too late because we all know that people will vote for the person that will give them more and more free shit.

I don't understand why we can't have a government in the middle. Have a government that helps out the poor, but doesn't act like a nanny state. We used to have that.

lacarnut
03-29-2011, 02:40 PM
I don't understand why we can't have a government in the middle. Have a government that helps out the poor, but doesn't act like a nanny state. We used to have that.

The more we help out the lazy, mothers with bastard children, the more they become dependent on the government. I am not against helping out the poor. I donate to food banks and the Salvation Army on a regular basis but we need to start cutting off benefits. Old, sick and a mother with one child get gov. help. The second, third, fourth, etc bastard child is on her. I am tired of these free loaders thinking that they are entitlled to more and more free shit.

Apache
03-29-2011, 02:57 PM
Well, I actually like public transportation.

Lovely. How about communities like mine, with NO public transportation?


I live outside a town with 900 maybe. What are we supposed to do?


And, I am NOT putting a diaper on a horse....:p

Apache
03-29-2011, 02:58 PM
I don't understand why we can't have a government in the middle. Have a government that helps out the poor, but doesn't act like a nanny state. We used to have that.

That's not government role...

Lanie
03-29-2011, 04:31 PM
That's not government role...

Why shouldn't it be? Do we really want an increase of people on the streets asking people for money? I find the idea of complete capitalism with no safety net to be scary.

Apache
03-29-2011, 04:38 PM
Why shouldn't it be? Do we really want an increase of people on the streets asking people for money? I find the idea of complete capitalism with no safety net to be scary.

Churches and charities had that role long before the Feds were even dreamt up ;)

Lanie
03-29-2011, 04:40 PM
Churches and charities had that role long before the Feds were even dreamt up ;)

Most churches and charities cannot keep somebody helped out until they get back on their feet. Keep in mind I said until they get back on their feet, not to live on forever.

And I love how charities do food drives at Christmas time, as if people only need food then.

Apache
03-29-2011, 04:55 PM
Most churches and charities cannot keep somebody helped out until they get back on their feet. Keep in mind I said until they get back on their feet, not to live on forever.

And I love how charities do food drives at Christmas time, as if people only need food then.

Salvation Army to name one, there are many smaller and lesser organizations that do help without government aid. Charities don't only collect at Christmas either, that's when they get the most attention. Most food banks, because of the economy, are in desparate need but still continue to help the less fortunate day in and day out.

Are these comfortable situations? No, nor are they meant to be. They are there as safety nets, and for some life-lessons....


Wanna try again? :p

AmPat
03-29-2011, 08:19 PM
Why shouldn't it be? Do we really want an increase of people on the streets asking people for money? I find the idea of complete capitalism with no safety net to be scary.

Why? Don't you have something of value to offer? If you did, you would abhor the nanny state.

AmPat
03-29-2011, 08:23 PM
Most churches and charities cannot keep somebody helped out until they get back on their feet. Keep in mind I said until they get back on their feet, not to live on forever.

And I love how charities do food drives at Christmas time, as if people only need food then.

I love how typical liberals can find fault with charity or for that matter any Christian venture yet the islamo-fascists can do no wrong.

Would you prefer they didn't give food out at Christmas? For your liberal education (in doubt), there is a Christian :eek: food pantry in my county that feeds nearly 500 families a month. Must be an extended Christmas.:rolleyes:

lacarnut
03-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Most churches and charities cannot keep somebody helped out until they get back on their feet. Keep in mind I said until they get back on their feet, not to live on forever.

And I love how charities do food drives at Christmas time, as if people only need food then.

Bullshit. People survived before the government under FDR got involved in all these give away programs. You had to root hog or die; charities and churches did pick up the slack for the poor.

People like you are so fucking stupid. My dad lived thru the depression. He could not go to high school because his dad was too poor to BUY the books. It was only after the Kingfish came into office that books were given free of charge. We have become a nation of people looking for handouts. Democratic politicians want to give more to the lazy and mothers with bastard children which just creates a never ending cycle of poverty and crime.

txradioguy
03-30-2011, 02:05 AM
Why shouldn't it be?

Because that's not how this country was set up from the beginning.



Do we really want an increase of people on the streets asking people for money?

And you know this will happen because?



I find the idea of complete capitalism with no safety net to be scary.


You're a socialist Liberal...of course Capitalism and freedom scares you.

AmPat
03-30-2011, 10:43 AM
Do we really want an increase of people on the streets asking people for money?
DIMoRATS apparently do. Their policies have driven more peole into poverty and homelessness than ever before seen in this country. Foodstamps-Alltime high. Foreclosures- Alltime high. Joblessness- Alltime high.
Yep, those compassionate DIMS are SOOO good for those por people.