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djones520
03-26-2011, 02:07 AM
Huckabee Has Slight Edge, Palin Down, in GOP '12 PreferencesRomney, Palin would tie if Huckabee does not runby Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- Mike Huckabee tops a large list of potential GOP presidential candidates in current support for the party's 2012 nomination, with 19% of Republicans saying they are most likely to back him. This gives Huckabee a slight edge over Mitt Romney (15%). Sarah Palin is now at 12% after receiving 16% support in three prior Gallup polls. Newt Gingrich is the only other potential candidate who registers double-digit support. Sixteen percent of Republicans currently have no preference.



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http://www.gallup.com/poll/146792/Huckabee-Slight-Edge-Palin-Down-GOP-Preferences.aspx

Whatever we may like, it's increasingly looking like a more moderate Republican is going to have the best chance of winning in 2012.

PoliCon
03-26-2011, 08:10 AM
I won't vote for any of the first 5 on that list unless I have to.

Arroyo_Doble
03-26-2011, 08:17 AM
Whatever we may like, it's increasingly looking like a more moderate Republican is going to have the best chance of winning in 2012.

I moderate Republican would not survive the nominating process without pandering to the so-called Tea Party wing. 2012 is not a year a moderate can do much. I'm not even sure a rational conservative Republican could win.

Tecate
03-26-2011, 08:36 AM
Since both parties essentially suck, I prefer a divided government whenever possible. Keep Obama for 4 more years if the Republicans can get both the House and Senate. Then when the next Republican sell-out President comes along, give the Democrats the House and Senate. Lather, rinse, repeat.

When they can't agree on anything, that means they can do less. When they do less, they can do less harm... Because harm is ALL they ever do.


Just my .02

Arroyo_Doble
03-26-2011, 08:41 AM
Since both parties essentially suck, I prefer a divided government whenever possible. Keep Obama for 4 more years if the Republicans can get both the House and Senate. Then when the next Republican sell-out President comes along, give the Democrats the House and Senate. Lather, rinse, repeat.

When they can't agree on anything, that means they can do less. When they do less, they can do less harm... Because harm is ALL they ever do.


Just my .02

The deal on the Obama tax cuts proves that wrong. It means they can agree on the easy, no risk, stuff that does do harm.

Someone is going to have to eat the political bullet on the debt and deficit.

Tecate
03-26-2011, 08:53 AM
The deal on the Obama tax cuts proves that wrong. It means they can agree on the easy, no risk, stuff that does do harm.

Someone is going to have to eat the political bullet on the debt and deficit.
That cake has been in the oven for so long there's plenty of blame to go around.

Wei Wu Wei
03-26-2011, 10:36 AM
I won't vote for any of the first 5 on that list unless I have to.

And of course, "being nominated" is your definition of being forced to? lol

Novaheart
03-26-2011, 11:13 AM
Whatever we may like, it's increasingly looking like a more moderate Republican is going to have the best chance of winning in 2012.

As much as I adore Mormons, I think Romney has the edge on Huckabee.

Novaheart
03-26-2011, 11:14 AM
I won't vote for any of the first 5 on that list unless I have to.

You'll vote for whomever has the R next to his name.

Rockntractor
03-26-2011, 01:46 PM
How did a moderate Republican work out for us last time?

PoliCon
03-26-2011, 01:49 PM
And of course, "being nominated" is your definition of being forced to? lol

damn straight. If the assholes in Iowa and New Hampshire and the other early states - especially those with open primaries do not let me vote for my candidate of choice - then I will vote for whom ever is the better candidate - and compared to Barry - SATAN would be a better candidate. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
03-26-2011, 01:50 PM
You'll vote for whomever has the R next to his name.

I'll vote for the candidate with the most conservative record/credentials - which surprisingly enough will most likely happen to have an R next to his name.

PoliCon
03-26-2011, 01:51 PM
Huckabee is a populist - he is NOT a conservative.

fettpett
03-26-2011, 02:00 PM
Huckabee is a populist - he is NOT a conservative.

only thing conservative about him is his support for the Fair Tax. Can't stand the guy.

PoliCon
03-26-2011, 02:02 PM
only thing conservative about him is his support for the Fair Tax. Can't stand the guy.

agreed.

Articulate_Ape
03-26-2011, 03:20 PM
I have to say that the field is pretty pathetic at the moment. I hope there's a dark horse out there somewhere.

Bailey
03-26-2011, 03:33 PM
You'll vote for whomever has the R next to his name.

ANyone of those R's on the list is better then the Magic Negro (PBOH) on a good day.

Chuck58
03-26-2011, 03:35 PM
I wonder if we shouldn't just focus on building a veto proof House and Senate and let Barry have the White House for 4 more years. I see some possibles in that list, but can any of them win?

Personally, I like Gary Johnson. Granted, he's more Libertarian than Republican, and I'm not crazy about some of his ideas. He did a fine job as Gov here in NM. He left the state solidly in the black with a big surplus, cut taxes and govt, was responsible for our concealed carry law.

But, how many nationwide have ever heard of Johnson? And a few of his libertarian stances won't go over very well.

Rockntractor
03-26-2011, 04:36 PM
If they can find another candidate with no past I don't expect them to run Bama for a second term.

Novaheart
03-26-2011, 04:42 PM
I wonder if we shouldn't just focus on building a veto proof House and Senate and let Barry have the White House for 4 more years. I see some possibles in that list, but can any of them win?

Personally, I like Gary Johnson. Granted, he's more Libertarian than Republican, and I'm not crazy about some of his ideas. He did a fine job as Gov here in NM. He left the state solidly in the black with a big surplus, cut taxes and govt, was responsible for our concealed carry law.

But, how many nationwide have ever heard of Johnson? And a few of his libertarian stances won't go over very well.

Run someone who believes in sound fiscal policy, who supports small business (including single payer health care) , who isn't a jackass or a religious zealot and who supports deporting the illegals and I will vote for him.

PoliCon
03-26-2011, 04:58 PM
Run someone who believes in sound fiscal policy, who supports small business (including single payer health care) , who isn't a jackass or a religious zealot and who supports deporting the illegals and I will vote for him.

SO what you want is a Frankenstein's monster of a candidate . . . I see. I prefer to have someone who is consistently conservative - which would preclude anyone who supports government healthcare like you want.

Wei Wu Wei
03-26-2011, 06:32 PM
lol governer johnson smokes weed

Rockntractor
03-26-2011, 06:39 PM
lol governer johnson smokes weed

What are you talking about Wei?

Zathras
03-26-2011, 07:01 PM
What are you talking about Wei?

The voices in his head obviously.

Chuck58
03-26-2011, 11:33 PM
lol governer johnson smokes weed

Past tense. How many who grew up in the 1970's didn't at least try it? He had the guts to admit he did it - and inhaled - unlike another politician I can name. He admitted to it before he even began the campaign for governor.

Now, he does triathlons. Doesn't smoke anything, or drink alcohol or coffee. You'd almost think he was Mormon (he isn't).

Wei Wu Wei
03-27-2011, 10:23 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/meet-gary-johnson-ron-paul-2012_520775.html


Gary Johnson, the former New Mexico governor and a likely 2012 Republican presidential candidate, hasn’t been shy about his support for marijuana legalization or his personal use of the drug during his younger days. “I never exhaled,” he joked in a recent interview with The New Republic. But in an interview with THE WEEKLY STANDARD, Johnson admitted publicly for the first time that he smoked marijuana more recently—from 2005 to 2008—for medicinal purposes, he says.


lol

AmPat
03-27-2011, 10:45 AM
I moderate Republican would not survive the nominating process without pandering to the so-called Tea Party wing. 2012 is not a year a moderate can do much. I'm not even sure a rational conservative Republican could win.
One more time with the childish and stupid "so called?" Why don't you tell me what they are if they are not simply (and accurately)Tea Party without the juvenile "so called" prefix.

Novaheart
03-27-2011, 11:44 AM
One more time with the childish and stupid "so called?" Why don't you tell me what they are if they are not simply (and accurately)Tea Party without the juvenile "so called" prefix.

Which party does President Obama belong to?

PoliCon
03-27-2011, 12:13 PM
Which party does President Obama belong to?

The Communist/progressive/socialist Democrats party of course.

Chuck58
03-27-2011, 03:15 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/meet-gary-johnson-ron-paul-2012_520775.html




lol

Medicinal marijuana is legal in NM. I wouldn't mess with the crap, but it's available with a prescription.

All I can tell you is he lowered taxes, put the state in the black, with budget surpluses, and rammed the concealed carry law through a dem controlled state legislature that didn't want it. And, he's still very popular here in NM.

lacarnut
03-27-2011, 10:47 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/meet-gary-johnson-ron-paul-2012_520775.html




lol

What is worse. Smoking a little weed or some elitist Ivy Leaguer dropping a dime on the white shit to stick up his nose like your boy Obama. FYI, a dime in betting lingo is a thousand bucks.

Articulate_Ape
03-27-2011, 11:26 PM
What is worse. Smoking a little weed or some elitist Ivy Leaguer dropping a dime on the white shit to stick up his nose like your boy Obama. FYI, a dime in betting lingo is a thousand bucks.

A dime in street drug lingo is ten bucks. There is a difference between gambling and drugs, dude. I'm just sayin'.

lacarnut
03-27-2011, 11:45 PM
A dime in street drug lingo is ten bucks. There is a difference between gambling and drugs, dude. I'm just sayin'.

Never bought any drugs but have been around gamblers. So what would be the drug street lingo for a thousand bucks? Curious.

Arroyo_Doble
03-28-2011, 09:37 AM
One more time with the childish and stupid "so called?" Why don't you tell me what they are if they are not simply (and accurately)Tea Party without the juvenile "so called" prefix.

I don't know what it's like where you live but here if someone runs for the nomination in the Republican Primary, has "Republican" on their campaign literature and advertising, or stands for an election with the words "Republican Party" next to their name, we call them Republicans.

I use the words "so-called" before "Tea Party" because I don't want anyone to think I am talking about anything other than a Republican; just a wing of that political party that most understand as a subset of the larger group. It is not an easily identifiable political position like someone being Pro-Life or against capital punishment nor is it a subjective adjective like conservative, moderate, or liberal. It is a movement within a specific party that is difficult to define and hard to use as a label since it is rarely taken by a candidate as self-identification but is used often by a constituency within the Republican Party for that purpose.

Hope that clears things up.

lacarnut
03-28-2011, 09:58 AM
I use the words "so-called" before "Tea Party" because I don't want anyone to think I am talking about anything other than a Republican; just a wing of that political party that most understand as a subset of the larger group. It is not an easily identifiable political position like someone being Pro-Life or against capital punishment nor is it a subjective adjective like conservative, moderate, or liberal. It is a movement within a specific party that is difficult to define and hard to use as a label since it is rarely taken by a candidate as self-identification but is used often by a constituency within the Republican Party for that purpose.

Hope that clears things up.

Two can play that game. Let's just call most Democrats what they are and that is left wing liberals. The term progressive is a more acceptable term but there are very few liberals politicians that are so called moderate Democrats. The East and West coast Democrats are hardened leftists who are for big government, more taxes, more spending, anti-drilling, more regulations, socialized meds, wealth distribution, etc. etc.

Arroyo_Doble
03-28-2011, 10:14 AM
Two can play that game. Let's just call most Democrats what they are and that is left wing liberals. The term progressive is a more acceptable term but there are very few liberals politicians that are so called moderate Democrats. The East and West coast Democrats are hardened leftists who are for big government, more taxes, more spending, anti-drilling, more regulations, socialized meds, wealth distribution, etc. etc.

You can call them green peas for all I care.

lacarnut
03-28-2011, 10:18 AM
You can call them green peas for all I care.

I call Democrat politicians what they are, left wing extremist.

Arroyo_Doble
03-28-2011, 10:27 AM
I call Democrat [sic] politicians what they are, left wing extremist.

Potato, potato.

Starbuck
03-28-2011, 11:20 AM
I vote for the Republican nominee. Got my Druthers; Got my hopes; but "R" it will be.

AmPat
03-28-2011, 12:04 PM
I don't know what it's like where you live but here if someone runs for the nomination in the Republican Primary, has "Republican" on their campaign literature and advertising, or stands for an election with the words "Republican Party" next to their name, we call them Republicans.

I use the words "so-called" before "Tea Party" because I don't want anyone to think I am talking about anything other than a Republican; just a wing of that political party that most understand as a subset of the larger group. It is not an easily identifiable political position like someone being Pro-Life or against capital punishment nor is it a subjective adjective like conservative, moderate, or liberal. It is a movement within a specific party that is difficult to define and hard to use as a label since it is rarely taken by a candidate as self-identification but is used often by a constituency within the Republican Party for that purpose.

Hope that clears things up.

Sounds like juvenile equivocation. The Tea Party candidate is exactly that. Apparently to your mind, if the candidate is anything but a left wing loon DIMoRAT or registered Republican, they are "so called" Tea Party candidates.
You might be the first known case of TPDS.:cool:

Novaheart
03-28-2011, 12:10 PM
Two can play that game. Let's just call most Democrats what they are and that is left wing liberals. The term progressive is a more acceptable term but there are very few liberals politicians that are so called moderate Democrats. The East and West coast Democrats are hardened leftists who are for big government, more taxes, more spending, anti-drilling, more regulations, socialized meds, wealth distribution, etc. etc.

I'm for drilling, and getting rid of the " Alaska dividend" too.

lacarnut
03-28-2011, 12:26 PM
Sounds like juvenile equivocation. The Tea Party candidate is exactly that. Apparently to your mind, if the candidate is anything but a left wing loon DIMoRAT or registered Republican, they are "so called" Tea Party candidates.
You might be the first known case of TPDS.:cool:

How true, how true. TPDS ....the new liberal mental disorder.

Arroyo_Doble
03-28-2011, 12:42 PM
Sounds like juvenile equivocation.

In this context, that sentence makes no sense. Can you explain what you wanted to say (if it was just a generic insult not meant to be coherent, don't bother)?


The Tea Party candidate is exactly that. Apparently to your mind, if the candidate is anything but a left wing loon DIMoRAT or registered Republican, they are "so called" Tea Party candidates.

I know. Weird, isn't it, calling someone who runs for the Republican Party a Republican. I should probably try to work on that.

lacarnut
03-28-2011, 12:43 PM
I'm for drilling, and getting rid of the " Alaska dividend" too.

Good...now contact your Congress critters and express your position. However, the rub comes when the drilling comes when it is in my backyard. Cuba will allow the Chinese to drill in international waters off the coast of FL. Politicians in FL do not want drilling off their coast. Offshore drilling is safe provided regulations and procedures are followed. Obama relaxed those regulations for a company that donated a great deal of money to the campaign. BP also short cut safety procedures cause they knew that the inspectors would give them a pass. Guess who gets the first permit to drill after the moratorium, BP. Obama is the most corrupt President in my lifetime. More so than Nixon and Clinton.

AmPat
03-28-2011, 01:10 PM
In this context, that sentence makes no sense. Can you explain what you wanted to say (if it was just a generic insult not meant to be coherent, don't bother)?



I know. Weird, isn't it, calling someone who runs for the Republican Party a Republican. I should probably try to work on that.

You should work on an intellect first.