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Odysseus
03-28-2011, 01:22 PM
Secret shame of Egypt's army: Women protesters were forced to have 'virginity checks' after being arrested in Tahrir Square

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 10:10 AM on 24th March 2011
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369259/Egypt-protests-Women-forced-virginity-checks-arrests-Tahir-Square.html#

Women arrested by the Egyptian police during protests in Cairo's Tahrir Square were subjected to forced 'virginity tests', according to Amnesty International.

Eighteen demonstrators were detained after army officers cleared the square on March 9 at the end of weeks of protest.

Amnesty today said that the women had been beaten, given electric shocks and then subjected to strip searches while being photographed by male soldiers.

They were then given 'virginity checks' and threatened with prostitution charges if medics ruled they had had sex, according to the charity.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/23/article-1369259-0B4E7C1000000578-550_468x312.jpgDetained: Eighteen women protesters were detained in Cairo's Tahrir Square and then subjected to horrific treatment, according to Amnesty International. There is no suggestion that any of the women in this photograph were arrested

Salwa Hosseini, 20, said she had been arrested and taken to a military prison in Heikstep where she was forced to strip and then searched by a female guard.

She told the charity a number of male soldiers were watching through two open doors and a window and it was at that point they took photographs.

Miss Hosseini then went on to describe 'virginity tests' being carried out by a man in a white coat.

She claims the women were threatened with charges if they were found not to be virgins.

Meanwhile Rasha Azeb, a female journalist who arrested in Tahrir Square at the same time, claims that she was handcuffed and beaten by security forces.

She described being taken to a building within the Cairo Musuem complex where she could witnessed other women being tortured with electric shocks to the chest and legs.

Miss Azeb was released after several hours along with a number of male journalists. The other women were sent to Heikstep.

The group finally faced a military court on March 11 and were released on March 13.

Miss Hosseini was covicted of disorderly conduct, destroying private and public property, obstructing traffic and carrying weapons.

Amnesty has called for the Egyptian authorities to hold a full investigation into the alleged abuse.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/23/article-1369259-0B4E7BF100000578-433_468x286.jpg
Mass protest: There were thousands of women who joined the protests which eventually ousted the Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak

A spokesman for the human rights organisation said that the actions were 'utterly unacceptable.'

'The purpose is to degrade women because they are women,' he said. 'All women of the medical profession must refuse to take part in such so-called "tests."'

The spokesman also said that one woman who told the military she was a virgin and then failed the 'test' was beaten and given electric shocks.

'Women and girls must be able to express their views on the future of Egypt and protest against the government without being detained, tortured, or subjected to profoundly degrading and discriminatory treatment,' he added.

'The army officers tried to further humiliate the women by allowing men to watch and photograph what was happening, with the implicit threat that the women could be at further risk of harm if the photographs were made public.

'The Egyptian authorities must halt the shocking and degrading treatment of women protesters. Women fully participated in bringing change in Egypt and should not be punished for their activism.

'All security and army forces must be clearly instructed that torture and other ill-treatment, including forced "virginity tests", will no longer be tolerated, and will be fully investigated.

'Those found responsible for such acts must be brought to justice and the courageous women who denounced such abuses be protected from reprisals.'


Testimonies of other women detained at the same time collected by the El Nadeem Center for Rehabilitation of Victims of Violence are consistent with Rasha Azeb and Salwa Hosseini’s accounts of beatings, electrocution and ‘virginity tests’.

Former GMTV correspondent Lara Logan was treated in hospital for six days after being sexually assaulted in Tahrir Square while covering the demonstrations.

Now a reporter for American network CBS, she was attacked by a mob of 200 after being separated from security personnel.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/23/article-1369259-0B4E7C0300000578-647_468x428.jpgAttack: CBS correspondent Lara Logan was sexually assaulted in Tahrir Square
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Are any of our liberal friends picking up on a trend yet?

Wei Wu Wei
03-28-2011, 01:54 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/military_personnel_say_pentagon_ignores_sexual_ass aults_harassment_video.php

Odysseus
03-28-2011, 03:55 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/military_personnel_say_pentagon_ignores_sexual_ass aults_harassment_video.php

Are you trying to say something?

Oh, I know, another foray into moral equivalence. We have sexual harassment issues in the armed forces, so we have no standing to comment on rapes in Egypt? What an odious little toad you are...

enslaved1
03-28-2011, 04:04 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/military_personnel_say_pentagon_ignores_sexual_ass aults_harassment_video.php

So you're trying to say that the feminazi libs and their political/ media partners should be hating on these Islamic nations as much as they are on our military, correct? But a quick check of your source reveals much news on sexual harassment in the armed forces, but little to nothing about the rampant abuse, demeaning, rape, murder, enslavement of women that is tolerated and enforced in many Islamic nations. (And before you turn it around, no, not every Muslim is a rapist or woman hater, but the religion has a lot more of it's teachers and leaders saying that it is acceptable practice, and cutting off another distraction, anyone who has read the Bible and is actually familiar with it will know Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" (NIV))

Odysseus
03-28-2011, 06:00 PM
So you're trying to say that the feminazi libs and their political/ media partners should be hating on these Islamic nations as much as they are on our military, correct? But a quick check of your source reveals much news on sexual harassment in the armed forces, but little to nothing about the rampant abuse, demeaning, rape, murder, enslavement of women that is tolerated and enforced in many Islamic nations. (And before you turn it around, no, not every Muslim is a rapist or woman hater, but the religion has a lot more of it's teachers and leaders saying that it is acceptable practice, and cutting off another distraction, anyone who has read the Bible and is actually familiar with it will know Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" (NIV))

We're wasting our time, of course. Wei has completed his drive-by and is looking for another target. He won't be back.

Wei Wu Wei
03-28-2011, 08:23 PM
Are you trying to say something?

Oh, I know, another foray into moral equivalence. We have sexual harassment issues in the armed forces, so we have no standing to comment on rapes in Egypt? What an odious little toad you are...

Are you trying to say something?

I was sharing a link about women being sexually abused by armed forces,which is horribly something not that uncommon.

In fact it's very common even in the United States, and is atrocious in all instances. It's so common that it's reaching high level federal lawsuits and it's something that hasn't exactly been a secret in the past.

It's a shame that it occurs and reflects an even more insidious and longer lasting hatred towards women in many societies, including our own. I think it's important to honestly examine one's own sins before condemning someone else's.

So, what was your point?

BadCat
03-28-2011, 08:43 PM
Are you trying to say something?

Oh, I know, another foray into moral equivalence. We have sexual harassment issues in the armed forces, so we have no standing to comment on rapes in Egypt? What an odious little toad you are...

He's about to be a Permanently-Ex odious little toad.

fettpett
03-28-2011, 09:14 PM
What I find Ironic is that the same people that are bashing the Military for the sexual abuse are the same people that have been bitching and moaning to let women in the military for the last 40 years and want them to be in more than just a support role.

Wei Wu Wei
03-28-2011, 09:19 PM
What I find Ironic is that the same people that are bashing the Military for the sexual abuse are the same people that have been bitching and moaning to let women in the military for the last 40 years and want them to be in more than just a support role.

I'm sorry i'm a ltitle slow tonight could you explain how that is ironic?

fettpett
03-28-2011, 09:23 PM
I'm sorry i'm a ltitle slow tonight could you explain how that is ironic?

because it was argued that this type of stuff would happen if women were let in...it's a high stress job, close quarters, yet women groups demanded that they be let into the military.

Wei Wu Wei
03-28-2011, 09:25 PM
oh well i think it's fair that women are given equal access without having to face widespread rape as "just part of the job"

Rockntractor
03-28-2011, 09:26 PM
oh well i think it's fair that women are given equal access without having to face widespread rape as "just part of the job"

Widespread rape, got proof?

BadCat
03-28-2011, 09:26 PM
Widespread rape, got proof?

He'll post another Pravda article.

fettpett
03-28-2011, 09:30 PM
oh well i think it's fair that women are given equal access without having to face widespread rape as "just part of the job"

no one said it would be "part of the job" just that it would happen. I don't condone the actions, just that people said it would happen

BadCat
03-28-2011, 09:34 PM
no one said it would be "part of the job" just that it would happen. I don't condone the actions, just that people said it would happen

We're still waiting for him to explain the "widespread" part of his accusation.

The little America hating semen sipper sure seems to hate the military.

fettpett
03-28-2011, 09:36 PM
We're still waiting for him to explain the "widespread" part of his accusation.

The little America hating semen sipper sure seems to hate the military.

yeah, so am I, I'm just waiting for him to admit that allowing women in the military may not have been the best idea

Wei Wu Wei
03-28-2011, 09:49 PM
no one said it would be "part of the job" just that it would happen. I don't condone the actions, just that people said it would happen

right, it's a shame that this sort of violent rape culture of misogyny is prevalent in many places in our society and around the world

JB
03-28-2011, 09:50 PM
Widespread rape, got proof?There were 3,158 total reports of sexual assault made to the DoD in 2010. That is down from 3,230 sexual assaults reported in 2009.

Is that widespread? You tell me.

Source: www.sapr.mil (http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assau lt_in_the_Military.pdf)

That's a 12MB pdf file so open at your own discretion.

fettpett
03-28-2011, 09:51 PM
right, it's a shame that this sort of violent rape culture of misogyny is prevalent in many places in our society and around the world

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
03-28-2011, 09:57 PM
yeah, so am I, I'm just waiting for him to admit that allowing women in the military may not have been the best idea

well i don't know about that

Odysseus
03-28-2011, 11:28 PM
I'm sorry i'm a ltitle slow tonight could you explain how that is ironic?

well i don't know about that

Apparently, you don't know much about anything tonight, but, as we ask on Passover, "Why is this night different from any other night?"

right, it's a shame that this sort of violent rape culture of misogyny is prevalent in many places in our society and around the world
Like I said, desperate and pathetic attempt at moral equivalence.

CueSi
03-29-2011, 02:19 AM
right, it's a shame that this sort of violent rape culture of misogyny is prevalent in many places in our society and around the world

Just. Shut. Up.

Turn your penis in to the nearest person with a CCW and just shut up.

~QC

CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-29-2011, 07:54 AM
I'll never understand why some people have such a hatred for our military. Have they committed wrongs in the past? Yeah, SOME deranged military people did stupid shit years ago, and you always have one nutcase in every large group. But the whole anti-military sentiment is disgusting because most of the people in the military are usually kids who are just doing a job.

Part of that job, a large part of it, is protecting the nation from it's enemies abroad. They work hard, get wounded and sometimes even die as a part of this job. They already bear the brunt of our enemies' hate; we should show them respect at least, even if you don't agree with the government's cause for war.

Odysseus
03-29-2011, 10:57 AM
There were 3,158 total reports of sexual assault made to the DoD in 2010. That is down from 3,230 sexual assaults reported in 2009.

Is that widespread? You tell me.

Source: www.sapr.mil (http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assau lt_in_the_Military.pdf)

That's a 12MB pdf file so open at your own discretion.
The only way to determine whether it is widespread is to compare civilian and miltary rates of rape. According to Answers.com (http://http://www.answers.com/topic/rape-by-military-personnel), the armed forces actually have a lower rate of rape than the comparable civilian population:


To place military rape rates in context, it is valuable to compare them with civilian rates. Comparisons of the crime rates of civilian and military populations during peacetime periods in 1986–92 reveal that contemporary peacetime rates of rape by American military personnel are actually lower (controlling for age and gender) than civilian rates.
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/rape-by-military-personnel#ixzz1I02K34xE


I'll never understand why some people have such a hatred for our military. Have they committed wrongs in the past? Yeah, SOME deranged military people did stupid shit years ago, and you always have one nutcase in every large group. But the whole anti-military sentiment is disgusting because most of the people in the military are usually kids who are just doing a job.

Part of that job, a large part of it, is protecting the nation from it's enemies abroad. They work hard, get wounded and sometimes even die as a part of this job. They already bear the brunt of our enemies' hate; we should show them respect at least, even if you don't agree with the government's cause for war.

Wei and other Marxists have no problem with war. They love the idea of violent revolution. Their problem with our military is that it is our military, i.e., a counter-revolutionary force. We stand in the way of his fellow travelers, and so he and his ilk have to do whatever he can to diminish our standing in the eyes of our nation.

noonwitch
03-29-2011, 12:00 PM
I have yet to figure out what DOD statistics about rape within the US military has to do with what Mubarak's people performing "virginity checks" on women arrested for protesting the brutality of Mubarak's government.

Not only that, the article mentions a lot of other outrages, like the torture and rape of those women while in custody.

enslaved1
03-29-2011, 12:30 PM
I have yet to figure out what DOD statistics about rape within the US military has to do with what Mubarak's people performing "virginity checks" on women arrested for protesting the brutality of Mubarak's government.

Not only that, the article mentions a lot of other outrages, like the torture and rape of those women while in custody.

Cause WWW wants to distract from any acknowledgment or evidence that the left's precious religion of peace is anything but. (Again not all Muslims are terrorists, et al) If our precious military is having problems with sexual assault, then we just cannot say anything about Muslim cultures issues with it. :rolleyes: Despite the fact that there are not a whole lot of people saying the problems occurring in the ranks are acceptable, while many loud voices in the Muslim world are saying their actions are ok, either blatantly or by not doing anything to change them.

Odysseus
03-29-2011, 12:47 PM
I have yet to figure out what DOD statistics about rape within the US military has to do with what Mubarak's people performing "virginity checks" on women arrested for protesting the brutality of Mubarak's government.

Not only that, the article mentions a lot of other outrages, like the torture and rape of those women while in custody.
Every minute that we spend defending the US military is a minute that isn't spent highlighting the abuses of Islamic lunatics. It's a distraction, and let's not forget that Wei also loathes the US military and never wastes an opportunity to slander us, so it's a twofer for him.

Cause WWW wants to distract from any acknowledgment or evidence that the left's precious religion of peace is anything but. (Again not all Muslims are terrorists, et al) If our precious military is having problems with sexual assault, then we just cannot say anything about Muslim cultures issues with it. :rolleyes: Despite the fact that there are not a whole lot of people saying the problems occurring in the ranks are acceptable, while many loud voices in the Muslim world are saying their actions are ok, either blatantly or by not doing anything to change them.

Target!

noonwitch
03-29-2011, 01:06 PM
Cause WWW wants to distract from any acknowledgment or evidence that the left's precious religion of peace is anything but. (Again not all Muslims are terrorists, et al) If our precious military is having problems with sexual assault, then we just cannot say anything about Muslim cultures issues with it. :rolleyes: Despite the fact that there are not a whole lot of people saying the problems occurring in the ranks are acceptable, while many loud voices in the Muslim world are saying their actions are ok, either blatantly or by not doing anything to change them.



The fact that our military is able to present those statistics proves that at least the US military deems these acts bad enough to prosecute.

I'm one of those people who will defend my muslim neighbors and coworkers because they are americans, but I am not blind to the treatment of women in the muslim world. Wei has to attack the US because he knows deep down that there is no defense of this type of treatment of women in any modern society, and he knows how widespread it is in places like Egypt. Or Iran. Or Ethiopia/Sudan/Saudia Arabia/Libya/pretty much every country in the Middle East or Northern Africa that isn't Israel or currently occupied by US troops.

Sonnabend
03-29-2011, 11:13 PM
I have yet to figure out what DOD statistics about rape within the US military has to do with what Mubarak's people performing "virginity checks" on women arrested for protesting the brutality of Mubarak's government.

Nothing.