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megimoo
05-11-2011, 06:52 PM
SWAT team fired 71 shots in raid

The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home.
Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid.

Six days after Guerena was shot, few details about the investigation that brought the SWAT team to the southwest-side home Guerena shared with his wife and their two young sons are known. Guerena's role in the narcotics investigation is unclear and deputies would not comment on what was seized from his home.

Three other homes within a quarter of a mile from Guerena's house, were served search warrants related to the investigation that morning. The addresses and the names of people who live in the other homes have not been made public.


http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_d7d979d4-f4fb-5603-af76-0bef206f8301.html

djones520
05-11-2011, 06:56 PM
Wrong Marine?

NJCardFan
05-11-2011, 06:59 PM
Let's see if a certain someone holds the Pima County sheriff as responsible for this as he does another certain Arizona sheriff for anything his men do.

Calypso Jones
05-11-2011, 07:02 PM
Seventy one rounds in the 'wrong' marine. i can't wait for the explanation.

djones520
05-11-2011, 07:05 PM
Seventy one rounds in the 'wrong' marine. i can't wait for the explanation.

I'm still trying to figure out where the "wrong Marine" came from. They had a warrant on his house They announced themselves. He was pointing an assualt rifle at them, and the police thought he had opened fire on them.

No where in that article did I see anything about this being the "wrong person". It was who they were looking for.

megimoo
05-11-2011, 07:23 PM
Six days after Guerena was shot, few details about the investigation that brought the SWAT team to the southwest-side home Guerena shared with his wife and their two young sons are known. Guerena's role in the narcotics investigation is unclear and deputies would not comment on what was seized from his home.

Three other homes within a quarter of a mile from Guerena's house, were served search warrants related to the investigation that morning. The addresses and the names of people who live in the other homes have not been made public.

"No One is talking about what evidence they had to justify the breakin....."

Deputies said they seized a "large sum of money from another house" that morning. But they refused to say from which of the homes searched that morning they found narcotics, drug ledgers or drug paraphernalia.

Court documents showing what was being sought and was found have not been made public. A computer check on Guerena revealed a couple of traffic tickets and no criminal history.
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"We had just bought a home and he was working graveyard shifts and overtime just to help pay the bills, we were just starting to make this house our home," Vanessa Guerena said.

"I know I can't have him back but I want justice. I want explanations for what happened," she said
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Comments:
71 shots in 7 seconds is reckless and a public safety issue. That's not careful, aimed shots to bring down a suspect, that's spray and pray.
Not that you should go around pointing guns at cops, or not drop them when directed. But 71 round to zero? You can get spend less rounds in a short firefight in Afghanistan.
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jendf
05-11-2011, 07:46 PM
Let's see if a certain someone holds the Pima County sheriff as responsible for this as he does another certain Arizona sheriff for anything his men do.

Keep dreaming. He probably has a poster of Sheriff Dipstick hanging on his wall.

NJCardFan
05-11-2011, 10:33 PM
Comments:
71 shots in 7 seconds is reckless and a public safety issue. That's not careful, aimed shots to bring down a suspect, that's spray and pray.
Not that you should go around pointing guns at cops, or not drop them when directed. But 71 round to zero? You can get spend less rounds in a short firefight in Afghanistan.
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This I agree with. All the training I receive tells me that in order to use deadly force, you must take everything into account which includes where a missed shot will go. As for the 'wrong Marine' comment, I agree with DJones. Who exactly was the right Marine?

megimoo
05-11-2011, 11:36 PM
This I agree with. All the training I receive tells me that in order to use deadly force, you must take everything into account which includes where a missed shot will go. As for the 'wrong Marine' comment, I agree with DJones. Who exactly was the right Marine?Wrong house,wrong Marine.....

djones520
05-11-2011, 11:42 PM
Wrong house,wrong Marine.....

They had a search warrant for his house. So how was it wrong? Very first sentence of the story.


The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home.

megimoo
05-12-2011, 12:10 AM
They had a search warrant for his house. So how was it wrong? Very first sentence of the story.
The DA screwed up and now they're in the cover thy ass mode.There Were no drugs or large cash stashes found in the house ,no evidence at all .Have the police ever barged into the wrong house in a drug raid ?The guy just got home from work when his wife woke him up .

Isn't a guy who hears noises in his back yard late at night wise to defend his family .In your case you sure are quick to jump on some stories but have problems interpolating others ?You sure would make one hell of a detective, Hercule Poirot .

If you care to follow the story and look for a large settlement from the county somewhere down the road after a wrongful death law suits forces their hand.

Wei Wu Wei
05-12-2011, 12:18 AM
Was this a no-knock warrant? a lot of these police simply barge into the house by kicking in the door, expecting to catch the perp off gaurd. If this guy has had combat training it's not surprising he grabbed a weapon do defend his home. I understand police trying to defend themselves, but 71 shots in 7 seconds? That sounds like they were just unloading on him the moment they saw him.

Maybe that's not the case, but knowing how the police do shit in this country, it's not that surprising.

Rockntractor
05-12-2011, 12:21 AM
Was this a no-knock warrant? a lot of these police simply barge into the house by kicking in the door, expecting to catch the perp off gaurd. If this guy has had combat training it's not surprising he grabbed a weapon do defend his home. I understand police trying to defend themselves, but 71 shots in 7 seconds? That sounds like they were just unloading on him the moment they saw him.

Maybe that's not the case, but knowing how the police do shit in this country, it's not that surprising.

There is a whole bunch of this story missing!

NJCardFan
05-12-2011, 12:23 AM
Was this a no-knock warrant? a lot of these police simply barge into the house by kicking in the door, expecting to catch the perp off gaurd. If this guy has had combat training it's not surprising he grabbed a weapon do defend his home. I understand police trying to defend themselves, but 71 shots in 7 seconds? That sounds like they were just unloading on him the moment they saw him.

Maybe that's not the case, but knowing how the police do shit in this country, it's not that surprising.
Yeah, all cops are bad. :rolleyes:

megimoo
05-12-2011, 01:16 AM
Yeah, all cops are bad. :rolleyes:Thats not true but sometimes even good cops screw up in the heat of a situation.You are quick to defend the police and sometimes seem to be excusing anything that they do as just ?
I'm sure that your job sours you to any critisim of police no matter what they do but face it, not all are good cops !

NJCardFan
05-12-2011, 11:32 AM
Thats not true but sometimes even good cops screw up in the heat of a situation.You are quick to defend the police and sometimes seem to be excusing anything that they do as just ?
I'm sure that your job sours you to any critisim of police no matter what they do but face it, not all are good cops !

So basically what you just said is that you completely ignored anything I've said in this post and focused on me condescending wee wee for a blanket comment he made about cops. Get a fucking clue. Oh, and yes, there are bad cops but reading these forums you'd think all cops are jack booted thugs because all you ever read on here are about the bad ones.

Phillygirl
05-12-2011, 11:37 AM
Was this a no-knock warrant? a lot of these police simply barge into the house by kicking in the door, expecting to catch the perp off gaurd. If this guy has had combat training it's not surprising he grabbed a weapon do defend his home. I understand police trying to defend themselves, but 71 shots in 7 seconds? That sounds like they were just unloading on him the moment they saw him.

Maybe that's not the case, but knowing how the police do shit in this country, it's not that surprising.

The guy was a Marine. Of course he had combat training. It's not college, they don't let you take basket weaving courses.