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ColonialMarine0431
05-11-2011, 09:53 PM
This story is making the rounds now...


Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room

http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/did-senior-militaryintelligence-officials-overrule-president-obama-regarding-mission-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

http://patdollard.com/2011/05/obama-hesitated-%E2%80%93-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

megimoo
05-11-2011, 10:33 PM
This story is making the rounds now...



http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/did-senior-militaryintelligence-officials-overrule-president-obama-regarding-mission-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

http://patdollard.com/2011/05/obama-hesitated-%E2%80%93-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/
Sound about right.This critter in the White House is in way over his head.His Czars are running America and Jarrett is covering his ass.He goes from crisis to crisis of his own making while he reads to America what Jarrette on the other end of the teleprompter tells him to say on live TV .

SaintLouieWoman
05-11-2011, 10:46 PM
That pic pretty much describes it. No wonder Gates resigned/ retired. I have more respect now for Leon Panetta, Hillary and Gates if this is true. Just look at the pic carefully, with Obama in his golf clothes. It's a shame, if true, that they had to interrupt his golf game to be forced to play grownup.

With Obama, it's politics all the time (when it's not golf). :rolleyes: But he sure made that victory lap and tried to claim all the credit. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he and Hillary are discussing things. I'll bet she really can't stand him.

It probably explains why Bush refused to stand next to him.

SaintLouieWoman
05-11-2011, 11:01 PM
I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.


From the second linked article in the opening post. I hope that the Republicans can somehow convince General Patraeus to run. Also, if this is indeed true, I want to recant all the things that I previously thought about Panetta. I'm glad that he'll be in a position of greater authority and that the General will be running the CIA.

I strongly suggest reading the rest of the 2nd link. It's pretty scary stuff. I'm glad that they reigned in Jarrett and her influence. She needs to return to Chicago. She and Obama are both in over their heads. They are reverting to type---the Chicago brand of politics.

This is absolutely disgusting, but should make all of us thankful that he does have a few good men and woman (HC). I've never been a fan of hers, but I'm glad that she and the others stood firm against the community organizers. What cowardice if OBL survived despite their knowledge of where he was because of politics and CYA.

PoliCon
05-11-2011, 11:17 PM
would NOT surprise me at all.

fettpett
05-11-2011, 11:22 PM
what the hell is wrong with these morons, first it's Clinton watching golf when they had the chance to take out OBL, now Barry the O has to be pulled off the golf course to be told we're taking him out.

PoliCon
05-11-2011, 11:24 PM
what the hell is wrong with these morons, first it's Clinton watching golf when they had the chance to take out OBL, now Barry the O has to be pulled off the golf course to be told we're taking him out.

but it was Bush who was always on vacation. :rolleyes:

SaintLouieWoman
05-11-2011, 11:39 PM
what the hell is wrong with these morons, first it's Clinton watching golf when they had the chance to take out OBL, now Barry the O has to be pulled off the golf course to be told we're taking him out.
At least Mrs C had more balls than her hubby. Ditto Panetta and Patreus. I'm not sure if people are getting the magnitude of what has been leaked here. The CIC had a coup against him. He was indecisive and they just made an end run around him.

He took credit after it went well, but surprise, surprise, was ready to throw everyone else under the bus. And how does that woman from Chicago, Jarrett, have such an iron grip on the handling of major events?

This makes Obama look like a dazed incompetent who has to be handed a script after the fact. This is very scary indeed.

megimoo
05-11-2011, 11:42 PM
From the second linked article in the opening post. I hope that the Republicans can somehow convince General Patraeus to run. Also, if this is indeed true, I want to recant all the things that I previously thought about Panetta. I'm glad that he'll be in a position of greater authority and that the General will be running the CIA.

I strongly suggest reading the rest of the 2nd link. It's pretty scary stuff. I'm glad that they reigned in Jarrett and her influence. She needs to return to Chicago. She and Obama are both in over their heads. They are reverting to type---the Chicago brand of politics.

This is absolutely disgusting, but should make all of us thankful that he does have a few good men and woman (HC). I've never been a fan of hers, but I'm glad that she and the others stood firm against the community organizers. What cowardice if OBL survived despite their knowledge of where he was because of politics and CYA.

Don't be too kind to Panetta . His next job as SecDef is to stip the military budget to the bare bones.As DCI he has own his political motives to oppose Obama and take control of the situation .

Obama is weak and frightened .He has faith in Jarrett and needs her to cover his back .They didn't so much reigned in Jarrett as to 'end run' her and she still has Obamas ear .Once Panetta gave the Seals the go ahead and they blew him away on live video there was little Jarrett could do to convince Obama to stop them .

He looks like a little kid sitting on a small stool with his mouth open.I also notice Jarrett wasn't in the room ?Perhaps her clearance wasn't high enough ?We are in such 'deep do do with these Chicago hangmen in our White House !!!!!

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 09:42 AM
More fiction for the propaganda eaters who cannot bear the thought that they have been lied to about Obama.

Salve to cover the wound of the hated Democrat eliminating bin Laden.

Bailey
05-12-2011, 09:54 AM
More fiction for the propaganda eaters who cannot bear the thought that they have been lied to about Obama.

Salve to cover the wound of the hated Democrat eliminating bin Laden.



Hey look its the magic negro (pboh)Fanboi. I guess your boy can do no wrong.:rolleyes:

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 09:57 AM
Hey look its the magic negro (pboh)Fanboi. I guess your boy can do no wrong.:rolleyes:

No. He can and does a lot of things wrong. Eliminating bin Laden wasn't one of them, though.

Bailey
05-12-2011, 10:00 AM
No. He can and does a lot of things wrong. Eliminating bin Laden wasn't one of them, though.

Well so he eliminated him? thought it was seal team 6.


Can you just for once and in a non joking way point out something he has done wrong? I haven't ever seen you write anything like that.

Phillygirl
05-12-2011, 10:16 AM
More fiction for the propaganda eaters who cannot bear the thought that they have been lied to about Obama.

Salve to cover the wound of the hated Democrat eliminating bin Laden.

How do you know that it's fiction?

namvet
05-12-2011, 10:19 AM
this whole thing is more twisted than a color TV

noonwitch
05-12-2011, 10:38 AM
How do you know that it's fiction?


How do you know it isn't fiction? There are no facts presented. It's all supposition by unnamed sources that feeds into the negative opinions that those who don't like Obama already have about him.

Countdown to being labeled a lib bot starting now....

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 10:38 AM
Well so he eliminated him? thought it was seal team 6.

He should have landed on an aircraft carrier.


Can you just for once and in a non joking way point out something he has done wrong? I haven't ever seen you write anything like that.

Sure.

He allowed the Democratic Congress to determine the nuts and bolts of the Stimulus relying too much on the concept that merely pumping 800 billion into the economy was enough; not caring how it was spent nor how to target the tax relief in the law.

He played footsie forever over Gitmo instead of just realizing his campaign promise was unworkable and eating it.

He continued profligate spending without increasing revenue.

He presented a meaningless joke of a budget prior to the so-called Ryan Plan for purely political purposes.

He took control of the Census instead of leaving it where it belonged in the Commerce Department.

He refuses to stand up to Israel in any meaningful way and prove the United States can be a fair arbiter of that dispute.

As far as I can tell, he has no cohesive energy strategy and is nothing but platitudes on that front at a time when it is one of the most pressing issues we face.

On health insurance reform he made too many deals up front in an attempt to get the private sector on board instead of dealing with the Republican minority on the issue (granted, that may have been pointless since they have no interest in effective governing but he should have gone there first).

Moss grows on his veto pen.

He allowed France and the UK to take the lead on how to address Libya and got the United States involved in a conflict with no obvious benefit while we are currently trying to complete the endgame on two different fronts. The cover for this was (in my opinion) a pathetic claim that the strategy for the Middle East has changed to a quasi-Bush reverse domino theory but instead of pushing Jeffersonian democracy through the barrel of a gun, we will just pick the side of "freedom" even though we are using guns. I could go on a long time with the problems I have with the precipitous action in Libya. I think it was his biggest blunder so far and it made the United States look weak politically and militarily.

Enough or do you need more?

fettpett
05-12-2011, 10:42 AM
At least Mrs C had more balls than her hubby. Ditto Panetta and Patreus. I'm not sure if people are getting the magnitude of what has been leaked here. The CIC had a coup against him. He was indecisive and they just made an end run around him.

He took credit after it went well, but surprise, surprise, was ready to throw everyone else under the bus. And how does that woman from Chicago, Jarrett, have such an iron grip on the handling of major events?

This makes Obama look like a dazed incompetent who has to be handed a script after the fact. This is very scary indeed.

yeah, she has more balls than her husband, but how much of it was a political move? we know that she can't stand Barry the O, I can see it being a slap in the face toward him as she's leaving office. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it was people in her camp that released the story

Phillygirl
05-12-2011, 10:45 AM
How do you know it isn't fiction? There are no facts presented. It's all supposition by unnamed sources that feeds into the negative opinions that those who don't like Obama already have about him.

Countdown to being labeled a lib bot starting now....

I don't do the "lib bot" "fan boi" and other bullshit lazy debate tactics. Too DU'ish for me, but I understand the attraction for those that prefer echo playgrounds.

I don't know that it is or isn't true. I don't like unnamed sources, and the Clintons certainly aren't above this type of marketing for a cause.

However, I also don't see any proof that it is fiction. Those that support the Administration would be quick to dismiss the article as fiction, without any evidence of same, because it fits their preconceived view, to an extent, of their candidate. Although Obama the candidate would have negotiated Osama's surrender.

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 10:54 AM
How do you know that it's fiction?

Because those serving in the United States government at the highest levels are dedicated to the Constitution and I am not likely to believe stories written about mutiny and coup d'etat involving those individuals. Especially not from dodgy websites sought out by those whose contempt for the President of the United States is so great, they mentally cannot give him support or credit for anything.

Along comes a fictional "out" for them because they cannot honesty disapprove of the elimination of bin Laden and the complaints about pictures and burial sound pathetically petty. Happy-magic-presto! It turns out he didn't do it at all so we can all go to sleep happy.

Something like that, anyway.

Phillygirl
05-12-2011, 10:56 AM
Because those serving in the United States government at the highest levels are dedicated to the Constitution and I am not likely to believe stories written about mutiny and coup d'etat involving those individuals. Especially not from dodgy websites sought out by those whose contempt for the President of the United States is so great, they mentally cannot give him support or credit for anything.

Along comes a fictional "out" for them because they cannot honesty disapprove of the elimination of bin Laden and the complaints about pictures and burial sound pathetically petty. Happy-magic-presto! It turns out he didn't do it at all so we can all go to sleep happy.

Something like that, anyway.

Oh, dear. Rose doesn't look very good on you.

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 10:59 AM
Although Obama the candidate would have negotiated Osama's surrender.


McCain: Pakistan is a very important element in this, and I know how to work with them. And I guarantee you, I would not publicly state that I’m gonna attack them.

Obama: Nobody talked about attacking Pakistan. Here’s what I said. And if John wants to disagree with this, he can let me know, that, if the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out. Now, I think that's the right strategy; I think that's the right policy.


So much for not doing "bullshit lazy debate tactics," Boots.

American Pitbull
05-12-2011, 11:03 AM
Don't be too kind to Panetta . His next job as SecDef is to stip the military budget to the bare bones.As DCI he has own his political motives to oppose Obama and take control of the situation .

Obama is weak and frightened .He has faith in Jarrett and needs her to cover his back .They didn't so much reigned in Jarrett as to 'end run' her and she still has Obamas ear .Once Panetta gave the Seals the go ahead and they blew him away on live video there was little Jarrett could do to convince Obama to stop them .

He looks like a little kid sitting on a small stool with his mouth open.I also notice Jarrett wasn't in the room ?Perhaps her clearance wasn't high enough ?We are in such 'deep do do with these Chicago hangmen in our White House !!!!!

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

SaintLouieWoman
05-12-2011, 11:10 AM
More fiction for the propaganda eaters who cannot bear the thought that they have been lied to about Obama.

Salve to cover the wound of the hated Democrat eliminating bin Laden.

If I hadn't met you in real life years ago at the CU gathering in Dunedin, I'd swear you were Alan Colmes. :rolleyes:

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 11:12 AM
Oh, dear. Rose doesn't look very good on you.

Mutiny is a bit more cynical than my deep well of cynicism will allow.

SaintLouieWoman
05-12-2011, 11:18 AM
Mutiny is a bit more cynical than my deep well of cynicism will allow.

Perhaps now. Strange times sometimes call for solutions not usually used. Can you imagine the frustration knowing where Bin Laden was holed up and having the president and Jarrett dithering about the politics involved? Patraeus spent a whole lot of time and effort (along with many other) to capture Bin Laden. Supposedly that was a huge part of our mission in Afghanistan.

Remember Obama the candidate dissing our involvement in Iraq and saying that our focus should have been on Afghanistan and capturing Bin Laden? If this the leak was true (and I strongly suspect the Clinton camp of leaking it if it was true), then it was wrong for Obama to push the others involved to the point where they would have to do an end run around him.

Bailey
05-12-2011, 11:19 AM
He should have landed on an aircraft carrier.



Sure.

He allowed the Democratic Congress to determine the nuts and bolts of the Stimulus relying too much on the concept that merely pumping 800 billion into the economy was enough; not caring how it was spent nor how to target the tax relief in the law.

He played footsie forever over Gitmo instead of just realizing his campaign promise was unworkable and eating it.

He continued profligate spending without increasing revenue.

He presented a meaningless joke of a budget prior to the so-called Ryan Plan for purely political purposes.

He took control of the Census instead of leaving it where it belonged in the Commerce Department.

He refuses to stand up to Israel in any meaningful way and prove the United States can be a fair arbiter of that dispute.

As far as I can tell, he has no cohesive energy strategy and is nothing but platitudes on that front at a time when it is one of the most pressing issues we face.

On health insurance reform he made too many deals up front in an attempt to get the private sector on board instead of dealing with the Republican minority on the issue (granted, that may have been pointless since they have no interest in effective governing but he should have gone there first).

Moss grows on his veto pen.

He allowed France and the UK to take the lead on how to address Libya and got the United States involved in a conflict with no obvious benefit while we are currently trying to complete the endgame on two different fronts. The cover for this was (in my opinion) a pathetic claim that the strategy for the Middle East has changed to a quasi-Bush reverse domino theory but instead of pushing Jeffersonian democracy through the barrel of a gun, we will just pick the side of "freedom" even though we are using guns. I could go on a long time with the problems I have with the precipitous action in Libya. I think it was his biggest blunder so far and it made the United States look weak politically and militarily.

Enough or do you need more?

That had to hurt to say....:D

Zafod
05-12-2011, 11:40 AM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5281/5282245724_d3a95e64a8.jpg


....

Odysseus
05-12-2011, 11:50 AM
More fiction for the propaganda eaters who cannot bear the thought that they have been lied to about Obama.

Salve to cover the wound of the hated Democrat eliminating bin Laden.
Except that he didn't do it. The hated Democrat that did it was Leon Panetta, who isn't exactly known around here as a tea partying conservative. The issue is not which party killed Bin Laden, it's Obama's competence, which you keep pretending exists. He has no experience as an administrator or executive, has never run anything before being put in the most difficult leadership position in the world, and is now failing massively. If it weren't for the media's deliberate refusal to cover his failures, his approval rating would be in single digits. The people who cannot bear to face the truth about Obama are liberals who have been told that this clueless dilletante had the chops to run the most powerful nation in the world.

He should have landed on an aircraft carrier.
The crew of an aircraft carrier wouldn't have cheered him when he took credit for other people's courage and skill.


Sure.

He allowed the Democratic Congress to determine the nuts and bolts of the Stimulus relying too much on the concept that merely pumping 800 billion into the economy was enough; not caring how it was spent nor how to target the tax relief in the law.

He played footsie forever over Gitmo instead of just realizing his campaign promise was unworkable and eating it.

He continued profligate spending without increasing revenue.

He presented a meaningless joke of a budget prior to the so-called Ryan Plan for purely political purposes.

He took control of the Census instead of leaving it where it belonged in the Commerce Department.

He refuses to stand up to Israel in any meaningful way and prove the United States can be a fair arbiter of that dispute.

As far as I can tell, he has no cohesive energy strategy and is nothing but platitudes on that front at a time when it is one of the most pressing issues we face.

On health insurance reform he made too many deals up front in an attempt to get the private sector on board instead of dealing with the Republican minority on the issue (granted, that may have been pointless since they have no interest in effective governing but he should have gone there first).

Moss grows on his veto pen.

He allowed France and the UK to take the lead on how to address Libya and got the United States involved in a conflict with no obvious benefit while we are currently trying to complete the endgame on two different fronts. The cover for this was (in my opinion) a pathetic claim that the strategy for the Middle East has changed to a quasi-Bush reverse domino theory but instead of pushing Jeffersonian democracy through the barrel of a gun, we will just pick the side of "freedom" even though we are using guns. I could go on a long time with the problems I have with the precipitous action in Libya. I think it was his biggest blunder so far and it made the United States look weak politically and militarily.

Enough or do you need more?

No, but you do. Let us know when you've figured out that this guy has no clue. We'll be glad to remind you about how often and deeply you were wrong in defending him.

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 12:09 PM
No, but you do.

Not really. I am not required to disagree with everything he does, nor to hate the man so much, that I have to cling to fictional accounts of mutiny in order to be happy that bin Laden was eliminated.

Odysseus
05-12-2011, 12:12 PM
Not really. I am not required to disagree with everything he does, nor to hate the man so much, that I have to cling to fictional accounts of mutiny in order to be happy that bin Laden was eliminated.

What makes you think that this was fictional? Can you cite something in it that doesn't ring true to you, based on your vast experience with these kinds of operations?

txradioguy
05-12-2011, 12:19 PM
More fiction for the propaganda eaters who cannot bear the thought that they have been lied to about Obama.

Salve to cover the wound of the hated Democrat eliminating bin Laden.


http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/51/d/AAAAAo46vLQAAAAAAFHThQ.jpg?v=1181542064000

Phillygirl
05-12-2011, 01:12 PM
McCain: Pakistan is a very important element in this, and I know how to work with them. And I guarantee you, I would not publicly state that I’m gonna attack them.

Obama: Nobody talked about attacking Pakistan. Here’s what I said. And if John wants to disagree with this, he can let me know, that, if the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out. Now, I think that's the right strategy; I think that's the right policy.


So much for not doing "bullshit lazy debate tactics," Boots.

Alright, I'll give you that one. But I don't post pictures (usually!) :D

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 02:00 PM
Alright, I'll give you that one. But I don't post pictures (usually!) :D

Pictures can be fun.





http://www.neilhillman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/demotivational-posters-33.jpg

megimoo
05-12-2011, 02:02 PM
If I hadn't met you in real life years ago at the CU gathering in Dunedin, I'd swear you were Alan Colmes. :rolleyes:
Come to think of it he looks just like Alan Colmes,are they perhaps related ? I saw his picture at one CU or NU get together or other .

SaintLouieWoman
05-12-2011, 02:12 PM
Come to think of it he looks just like Alan Colmes,are they perhaps related ? I saw his picture at one CU or NU get together or other .

There does seem to be a striking resemblance in both appearance and thought process. :D

It's been a while, but think AD's hair is a lighter color than Alan's. I hope AD has a super SIL like Alan has---Monica Crowley.

megimoo
05-12-2011, 02:16 PM
There does seem to be a striking resemblance in both appearance and thought process. :D

It's been a while, but think AD's hair is a lighter color than Alan's. I hope AD has a super SIL like Alan has---Monica Crowley.Yes it is as I recall and he's not as bright as Colmes !

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 02:19 PM
My appearance has been compared to a lot of different people, including Condi Rice, but never Alan Colmes.

Another first.

SaintLouieWoman
05-12-2011, 02:22 PM
My appearance has been compared to a lot of different people, including Condi Rice, but never Alan Colmes.

Another first.

:p:p Just trying to oblige.

Who in the world compared you to Condi Rice? Now that's amazing.

txradioguy
05-12-2011, 02:29 PM
How do you know that it's fiction?

If it's something negative said about Obama...to Bok it HAS to be fiction.

megimoo
05-12-2011, 02:33 PM
My appearance has been compared to a lot of different people, including Condi Rice, but never Alan Colmes.

Another first.Do tell ,As I have it it was Winston Hubert McIntosh aka Peter Tosh .

Arroyo_Doble
05-12-2011, 02:36 PM
:p:p Just trying to oblige.

Who in the world compared you to Condi Rice? Now that's amazing.

I think it was either JB or CdrMike. It was a picture from Dave's house taken at that party. I think I was holding my 50th glass of wine and had a W04 sticker on my shirt.

Damn, it has been about 6 years ago.

Weird.

BTW, this is a more recent one taken while I was painting my house. Alan Colmes?


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs152.ash2/40925_1408605854909_1225341211_31072816_1426448_n. jpg

CueSi
05-12-2011, 02:41 PM
I can see it. Kinda if he had a younger better looking brother.

~QC

megimoo
05-12-2011, 02:44 PM
I think it was either JB or CdrMike. It was a picture from Dave's house taken at that party. I think I was holding my 50th glass of wine and had a W04 sticker on my shirt.

Damn, it has been about 6 years ago.

Weird.

BTW, this is a more recent one taken while I was painting my house. Alan Colmes?


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs152.ash2/40925_1408605854909_1225341211_31072816_1426448_n. jpg
There,with the paint splatter, you look more like the joker from the latest batman movie or Veronica Lake !Do you use a perm iron for that hair look ?

SaintLouieWoman
05-12-2011, 02:45 PM
I think it was either JB or CdrMike. It was a picture from Dave's house taken at that party. I think I was holding my 50th glass of wine and had a W04 sticker on my shirt.

Damn, it has been about 6 years ago.

Weird.

BTW, this is a more recent one taken while I was painting my house. Alan Colmes?


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs152.ash2/40925_1408605854909_1225341211_31072816_1426448_n. jpg

Cut the hair, put on some glasses, maybe. You've been out in the sun more. Guess the good Texas sun is giving you a tan. You used to be pasty white like I am. I'm probably one of the few Floridians who don't have a tan, just stubborn and don't want to give biz to all those Florida dermitologists who run those "got skin cancer, call me" ads. :D

djones520
05-12-2011, 02:46 PM
Cut the hair, put on some glasses, maybe. You've been out in the sun more. Guess the good Texas sun is giving you a tan. You used to be pasty white like I am. I'm probably one of the few Floridians who don't have a tan, just stubborn and don't want to give biz to all those Florida dermitologists who run those "got skin cancer, call me" ads. :D

Yeah, not the biggest fan of florida women cause of that. Their skin just looks like leather.

Odysseus
05-12-2011, 04:44 PM
Yeah, not the biggest fan of florida women cause of that. Their skin just looks like leather.

Yes, but it feels a whole lot better. ;)

PoliCon
05-12-2011, 06:37 PM
Salve to cover the wound of the hated Democrat eliminating bin Laden. I don't think a single person here cares if the Seals who eliminated him were democrat or republican or even Neo-Nazi. Nice attempt at spin though. :rolleyes:

Rockntractor
05-12-2011, 06:45 PM
I don't think a single person here cares if the Seals who eliminated him were democrat or republican or even Neo-Nazi. Nice attempt at spin though. :rolleyes:

I think Dolby has needed more fiber in his diet lately!

Phillygirl
05-12-2011, 06:58 PM
I don't think a single person here cares if the Seals who eliminated him were democrat or republican or even Neo-Nazi. Nice attempt at spin though. :rolleyes:

I think he meant Obama, not the Seal.

PoliCon
05-12-2011, 07:10 PM
I think he meant Obama, not the Seal.

Obama didn't take him out though. The coach does not win a game - the players do.

American Pitbull
05-13-2011, 07:56 AM
Damn! Nice pad...err- mansion Arroyo. Whatta ya? Rich? ;)

namvet
05-13-2011, 08:43 AM
Obama didn't take him out though. The coach does not win a game - the players do.

kinda the way i look at. except this coach was a spectator up in stands

American Pitbull
05-13-2011, 08:47 AM
kinda the way i look at. except this coach was a spectator up in stands

An unwilling spectator at that.

Starbuck
05-13-2011, 10:08 AM
I don't think a single person here cares if the Seals who eliminated him were democrat or republican or even Neo-Nazi. Nice attempt at spin though. :rolleyes:

True enough, no one cares; but who ever heard of a Democrat SEAL?:confused:

PoliCon
05-13-2011, 10:36 AM
True enough, no one cares; but who ever heard of a Democrat SEAL?:confused:

well there is the one . . . .































































http://www.moonbattery.com/democrat_seal.jpg

Arroyo_Doble
05-13-2011, 10:41 AM
True enough, no one cares; but who ever heard of a Democrat SEAL?:confused:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Senator_Bob_Kerrey.jpg

wilbur
05-13-2011, 10:54 AM
Ahh, gotta love some good old fashioned character assassination.

A D got Osama.... I think some won't get over that for a long, long time.. :p

PoliCon
05-13-2011, 10:57 AM
FFS wilbur - someone has to HAVE character before it can be assassinated. :rolleyes:

wilbur
05-13-2011, 11:05 AM
FFS wilbur - someone has to HAVE character before it can be assassinated. :rolleyes:

He may have some, he may not.... but that's not the issue.

The issue is egregious, always worst-case assumptions about a man's personal character based on piddly, weak, and inscrutable "evidence" (whether its R or D).

If you really want to see something telling of a person's character...

PoliCon
05-13-2011, 11:49 AM
He may have some, he may not.... but that's not the issue.

The issue is egregious, always worst-case assumptions about a man's personal character based on piddly, weak, and inscrutable "evidence" (whether its R or D).

If you really want to see something telling of a person's character...

When you are dealing with a man who has no character - assuming the worst of them is arguably assuming the TRUTH about them. BTW - so far I've not seen anyone make claims of actions to take against Barry based on this evidence - I know I haven't - so . . .

txradioguy
05-13-2011, 02:17 PM
Ahh, gotta love some good old fashioned character assassination.

A D got Osama.... I think some won't get over that for a long, long time.. :p

The only ones that seem to have issue with it and are trying to stir shit are idiot Libtards like yourself.

KS being the one glaring exception on this.

I haven't seen one person on here that is upset that it was Obama that got him instead of Bush.

What has a lot of people upset...is how ungracious Obama is being in giving his predecessor even a crumb of credit for what happened.

SaintLouieWoman
05-13-2011, 06:35 PM
The only ones that seem to have issue with it and are trying to stir shit are idiot Libtards like yourself.

KS being the one glaring exception on this.

I haven't seen one person on here that is upset that it was Obama that got him instead of Bush.

What has a lot of people upset...is how ungracious Obama is being in giving his predecessor even a crumb of credit for what happened.

It's not in his nature to be gracious. His standard operating procedure is to make nasty, sarcastic, mocking comments. Look how he jumped on the bandwagon against the police officer in Illinois when he thought one of his buddies was a victim of that omnipresent "racism". He just can't get beyond being a community organizer and having everything "all about him".

We've all known people in our lives who are narcissistic and demanding. It's just a shame when that person is CIC. Former Pres. Carter doesn't exactly set him a shining example of how to behave after leaving office. :rolleyes:

Starbuck
05-13-2011, 11:10 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Senator_Bob_Kerrey.jpg

Oh, Good shot! I'd forgotten all about Ol Bob-A-Loo,

OK there was that one.:( Prolly another one out there, too............one.

djones520
05-14-2011, 12:56 PM
The only ones that seem to have issue with it and are trying to stir shit are idiot Libtards like yourself.

KS being the one glaring exception on this.

I haven't seen one person on here that is upset that it was Obama that got him instead of Bush.

What has a lot of people upset...is how ungracious Obama is being in giving his predecessor even a crumb of credit for what happened.

I'd say posts like the OP are an indirect way of doing it. Spreading conspiracy theories that he tried to fight the decision, etc... that's just trying to take it away from him.

txradioguy
05-14-2011, 12:59 PM
I'd say posts like the OP are an indirect way of doing it. Spreading conspiracy theories that he tried to fight the decision, etc... that's just trying to take it away from him.

Given what we know about this WH and how they operate...what makes you so sure it's a CT?

djones520
05-14-2011, 01:01 PM
Given what we know about this WH and how they operate...what makes you so sure it's a CT?

Cause I haven't gone as far yet as to believe that even Obama would try to countermand an order to kill Osama.

Just some other things as well, such as Pres. Bush's conversation with him on the issue, etc. Things just don't at all jive to me that this was done by coup.

But you can't deny it. Spreading stories like this serves one purpose. To take it away from him. So some people don't have to "feel bad" that Obama got him.

JB
05-14-2011, 02:30 PM
Eliminating bin Laden wasn't one of them, though.Agreed.

OBL got got on Barry's watch. He gets the credit as far as I am concerned.

I mean, if we're going to give Reagan credit for ending a Cold War that was fought for 40 years, I gotta give Barry credit for OBL.

Odysseus
05-15-2011, 12:56 PM
Cause I haven't gone as far yet as to believe that even Obama would try to countermand an order to kill Osama.

Just some other things as well, such as Pres. Bush's conversation with him on the issue, etc. Things just don't at all jive to me that this was done by coup.

But you can't deny it. Spreading stories like this serves one purpose. To take it away from him. So some people don't have to "feel bad" that Obama got him.

Well, we do know that Clinton had the opportunity and blew it off. And we also know that in every other decision regarding the Sharia War, Obama has dithered for months at a time. So, I find it entirely possible that he had to be forced to act by his subordinates. It sucks that I, and pretty much everyone else who knows anything about how this kind of OP is pulled off feel that way, but that's what poor leadership does, it undermines the credibility of the leader.

djones520
05-15-2011, 01:23 PM
Well, we do know that Clinton had the opportunity and blew it off. And we also know that in every other decision regarding the Sharia War, Obama has dithered for months at a time. So, I find it entirely possible that he had to be forced to act by his subordinates. It sucks that I, and pretty much everyone else who knows anything about how this kind of OP is pulled off feel that way, but that's what poor leadership does, it undermines the credibility of the leader.

Dithered on it yeah, I've got no doubt he did that, but to have actually attempted to countermand the decision to move, I just can't buy it.

SaintLouieWoman
05-15-2011, 01:36 PM
Dithered on it yeah, I've got no doubt he did that, but to have actually attempted to countermand the decision to move, I just can't buy it.

I think they probably were not using language precisely. I think because of his dithering they were forced to go around him and suspect he had the last decision on it, but only when everything was already in place.

I can buy that he dithered and they had to use extraordinary measures to get him to go along with it. And I'm not a 911 truther or a birther. It just makes sense with his pattern of leadership.

Odysseus
05-15-2011, 03:11 PM
Dithered on it yeah, I've got no doubt he did that, but to have actually attempted to countermand the decision to move, I just can't buy it.
Here is the article's allegation:


RE Osama Bin Laden. Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP were in constant communication over matter – both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.

Now Intel already leaking to media facts surrounding how info obtained. Namely from enhanced interrogation efforts via GITMO prisoners. Obama administration placed in corner on this. Some media aware of danger to president RE this and attempting protection. Others looking for further investigation. We are pushing for them to follow through and already meeting with some access.

Point of determination made FOR Obama not BY Obama. Will clarify as details become more clear. Very clear divide between Military and WH. Jarrett marginalized 100% on decision to take out OBL. She played no part. BD worked with LP and HC to form coalition to force CoC to engage.

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled. This order did not originate from CoC. Repeat – this order did not originate from CoC. He complied, but did not originate.

Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.
The killing of Osama Bin Laden was in fact a Coup within Obama WH.
Speaking with additional contacts RE info.
Stay safe.
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HC = Hillary Clinton
BD = Bill Daley
LP = Leon Panetta
CoC = Chain of Command/Commander in Chief

Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/did-senior-militaryintelligence-officials-overrule-president-obama-regarding-mission-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1MRsokuim

Odysseus
05-15-2011, 03:13 PM
And, Pat Dollard interviewed someone claiming to be in the loop on the decision:


Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event.


Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?

A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

Odysseus
05-15-2011, 03:14 PM
This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.
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The thing that gets me is the photo. Note that everyone seated has a laptop in front of them, and is involved in the mission, except Obama, who is off to the side, and who clearly has no input into the mission. And, he is wearing a golf shirt under his jacket. The story jibes.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011/05/02/879590binladenobamawarroom_1.jpg

I think they probably were not using language precisely. I think because of his dithering they were forced to go around him and suspect he had the last decision on it, but only when everything was already in place.

I can buy that he dithered and they had to use extraordinary measures to get him to go along with it. And I'm not a 911 truther or a birther. It just makes sense with his pattern of leadership.

I could see Jarrett running him in circles. Obama has never had to decide anything more critical than what dressing to have on his arugula before becoming POTUS. His indecision at every critical event in his presidency, from the BP oil spill, to the review of the Afghanistan surge, indicates a pattern of behavior that is in keeping with the allegations. Ultimately, the truth will come out, especially when Gates' resignation is official and he has nothing to lose from telling the truth, or Hillary or Panetta leave and their books come out.

Phillygirl
05-15-2011, 03:30 PM
Hillary is the one that will bury him on this. Truthful or not, she will absolutely make certain that she is seen as the strong, decisive one, and that he was a hindrance to her power and control. I'm not certain that means that we will actually get the whole truth, but we will get her version of it.

CueSi
05-15-2011, 04:02 PM
Hillary is the one that will bury him on this. Truthful or not, she will absolutely make certain that she is seen as the strong, decisive one, and that he was a hindrance to her power and control. I'm not certain that means that we will actually get the whole truth, but we will get her version of it.

Yep... and the PUMA Democrats are likely to believe her. She probably won't run, but if undermining him benefits Hillary, she may do it.

~QC

Phillygirl
05-15-2011, 04:14 PM
Yep... and the PUMA Democrats are likely to believe her. She probably won't run, but if undermining him benefits Hillary, she may do it.

~QC

There is no may about it. She will, without a doubt. Truisms about the Clintons: they are smart, they are ruthless, they are self-serving.

Odysseus
05-15-2011, 07:41 PM
Hillary is the one that will bury him on this. Truthful or not, she will absolutely make certain that she is seen as the strong, decisive one, and that he was a hindrance to her power and control. I'm not certain that means that we will actually get the whole truth, but we will get her version of it.
If Hillary walks before the 2012 election cycle, it means that she's gearing up for 2016 (and she considers 2012 a lost cause). She won't come out and say that she was the architect of Bin Laden's execution, but she will make sure that someone in her circle does, possibly even Bill. Panetta gains nothing by making the claim, as I don't think that he sees himself making a White House run, and much to lose. Gates also strikes me as a likely leak, especially since he's on the way out.

Yep... and the PUMA Democrats are likely to believe her. She probably won't run, but if undermining him benefits Hillary, she may do it.

~QC
Say what you will about Hillary, but no one ever accused her of being indecisive. I'd find it a lot easier to believe that she authorized the hit (as would any of Bill's bimbos) than Obama, who is incapable of making a decision that isn't about politics.

There is no may about it. She will, without a doubt. Truisms about the Clintons: they are smart, they are ruthless, they are self-serving.

Exactly. They're like a southern branch of the Borgias.

CueSi
05-15-2011, 07:46 PM
Exactly. They're like a southern branch of the Borgias.

I laughed, RIGHT THERE. The visual of Redneck Borgias was too funny.

~QC

PoliCon
05-15-2011, 07:51 PM
I think they probably were not using language precisely. I think because of his dithering they were forced to go around him and suspect he had the last decision on it, but only when everything was already in place.

I can buy that he dithered and they had to use extraordinary measures to get him to go along with it. And I'm not a 911 truther or a birther. It just makes sense with his pattern of leadership.

Leadership??:confused: from Obama?? :eek: If that's what passes for leadership - we're in deeper shit than I thought.

SaintLouieWoman
05-15-2011, 08:00 PM
I laughed, RIGHT THERE. The visual of Redneck Borgias was too funny.

~QC

Ah, but you forget. She isn't a Redneck---Bubba is. I know she has Chicago in her background.

At the beginning of this thread I had pointed out Obama's attire. That picture pretty much tells it all.

There's too much detail to this report to be some mere fiction. Someone leaked a very plausible story. I don't think that people begrudge Obama credit or are sad that Bin Laden was killed on his watch. But I think when and if this story is verified and becomes more public, Obama should face the music for running around and taking credit for something that he tried to stop for the many reasons listed above.

Odysseus
05-15-2011, 10:32 PM
I laughed, RIGHT THERE. The visual of Redneck Borgias was too funny.

~QC
:D I've often said that the Kennedys were a cross between the Osmonds (teeth, hair) and the Borgias (morals).

Ah, but you forget. She isn't a Redneck---Bubba is. I know she has Chicago in her background.

At the beginning of this thread I had pointed out Obama's attire. That picture pretty much tells it all.

There's too much detail to this report to be some mere fiction. Someone leaked a very plausible story. I don't think that people begrudge Obama credit or are sad that Bin Laden was killed on his watch. But I think when and if this story is verified and becomes more public, Obama should face the music for running around and taking credit for something that he tried to stop for the many reasons listed above.

And, once again, what is Obama's MO? Would he take credit for someone else's success for doing something that he opposed? Like the surge in Iraq? Or getting the information on Bin Laden through enhanced interrogation techniques and detention at Gitmo? He established the pattern of conduct, and now wonders why we think that he's reverting to type...

Arroyo_Doble
05-16-2011, 09:17 AM
Hillary is the one that will bury him on this. Truthful or not, she will absolutely make certain that she is seen as the strong, decisive one, and that he was a hindrance to her power and control. I'm not certain that means that we will actually get the whole truth, but we will get her version of it.

So now not only does the military leadership engage in mutiny and treason but also the Secretary of State?

The intrigue! The drama!

Worthy of a paperback if you get some fucking involved. I suggest the former president and the current first lady. He likes big butts, after all.

Zathras
05-16-2011, 09:21 AM
So now not only does the military leadership engage in mutiny and treason but also the Secretary of State?

The intrigue! The drama!

Worthy of a paperback if you get some fucking involved. I suggest the former president and the current first lady. He likes big butts, after all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/HeroesAtWork/demotivational-poster-lion-facepaw.jpg

Starbuck
05-16-2011, 11:29 AM
So now not only does the military leadership engage in mutiny and treason but also the Secretary of State?

The intrigue! The drama!

Worthy of a paperback if you get some fucking involved. I suggest the former president and the current first lady. He likes big butts, after all.

:)

Odysseus
05-16-2011, 12:06 PM
So now not only does the military leadership engage in mutiny and treason but also the Secretary of State?

The intrigue! The drama!

Worthy of a paperback if you get some fucking involved. I suggest the former president and the current first lady. He likes big butts, after all.

I keep asking you exactly what in this sequence of events you find incongruous, and you keep playing at vague generalizations. Do you have trouble believing that Obama would be indecisive in the face of a decision involving military force that had the potential to do tremendous damage to his presidency if it failed? Ask GEN McChrystal how long it took Obama to approve the Afghanistan surge (as opposed to how long it took him to sack the commander for rude comments made off the record by his staff, as reported in a scurrilous music rag). Or do you believe that he would not take credit for the work and risks undertaken by someone else, such as the intel that led up to Osama's execution, or the policies that he has continued to apply to Iraq and Afghanistan, or the national security aparatus that he inherited but denigrated at every opportunity? Or, are you unable to accept that Hillary Clinton and Leon Panetta (a former Clinton staffer) would not act in what they perceived as their own best interest (remember, this narrative elevates Hillary and Panetta, also "hated Democrats", as you put it, as the persons who got Osama)? Maybe you find it hard to believe that Obama was off playing golf and otherwise avoiding the responsibilites of his office while others did the heavy lifting? Maybe Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who built the Obamacare bill that he took credit for might have something to say on that score.

Face it, Arrow Shirt, character predicts conduct, and Obama's conduct has demonstrated his lack of character since he first began voting "present."