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Rockntractor
05-27-2011, 03:23 PM
By Robin of Berkeley


Years ago there was an incendiary article in our local free newspaper. It was called, Berkeley's Dirty Little Secret.

The article exposed an unseemly aspect of the 60's, one that isn't touted in the flattering history books. The dirty little secret was the widespread sexual abuse of children.

While parents were ingesting copious amounts of drugs, while they were off picketing and protesting, there was no one to look after the children. With communal living, the newest roommate took advantage of all that freedom by preying on the little ones. And with the nuclear family an oppressive relic of the past, sketchy lovers and others had easy access to the kids.

With the 60's over, have the progressives given up their corruption of the innocent? No; they are just sneakier about it. They camouflage abuse with lofty concepts, such as "diversity " and "social justice."

The left is a shapeshifter movement; like a chameleon, the radicals change their appearance to adapt to the times. The left has morphed into many different life forms since its roots in Marx.

In the 60‘s, the progressives were in-your-face revolutionaries. They were the Black Panthers carrying machine guns and donning military fatigues; they were the Symbionese Liberation Army and the Weather Underground and their bloody trail of destruction.

When the radicals grew up, many of them infiltrated the universities, schools, media, and government. Even the churches and the synagogues have not been immune. In fact, the leftists have wormed their way into every aspect of society.

Now the Bill Ayers and the Van Joneses of the world masquerade as men of impeccable character. Ayers, domestic terrorist and mad bomber, has metamorphosed into Dr. Ayers, tenured Professor in Education.

Ayers was smart enough to know what every totalitarian regime understands: to control the populace, focus on the children. This is why the SS mandated that children over l0 must join the Hitler Youth.

Rather than directly recruit children as foot soldiers, the left does something more insidious: the left poisons children's minds through, for instance, the garbage in the media. But while kids can turn off the boob tube, there's nothing that they or their parents can do when the public schools turn into instruments of corruption. Exhibit A: "sex education."

In today's public schools, kids are inundated with sexual material. We're not talking sex education here, but sex saturation.

The debasement of children's minds through sex education was concocted about a hundred years ago by Germany's Frankfurt School. The socialists launched a cultural revolution to corrupt the West so badly that it would "stink," in their words. Some of their methods would be destroying the family, stripping parents of power, and forcing sex education into the schools.

Sex education has mutated from, in my day, animated films of sperms swimming toward eggs to an outright violation of children's innocence. Nine-year-olds learn to put condoms on bananas; middle school children squirm at talks about sex change operations. By high school, free condoms are in plentiful supply.

The federal government and progressive states, such as California, are big cheerleaders for children becoming sexual junkies. The One-World loving UN has chimed in with proclamations declaring children's "right" to masturbation. And the deluded dupes running today's public schools follow in lockstep.

The sexual immersion in today's public schools doesn't just stimulate kids to experiment with the opposite sex; it cajoles them to consider a gay or bi or polyamorous lifestyle.

Being gay appears more and more appealing as schools hold assemblies where gay teachers and teens offer guidance and support. And all of those special services and attention cast a magnetic spell on some children hungry for a sense of identity and belonging. (For an excellent pamphlet on the subject, press this link.)

There's actually a word for what schools are doing; it's a form of recruitment called "queering." This term became widely known after Obama appointed Kevin Jennings as his School Czar. Jennings became notorious in Massachusetts for his "queering" of teens through instructing them on hard-core practices such as fisting and water sports.

But the news gets worse. The latest craze (and I do mean craze) is teaching "gender diversity" to children as young as five. Gender diversity means that since gender is socially constructed, children are free to change their gender whenever the spirit moves them.

Close to home, an Oakland public elementary school recently held a two-day training on gender diversity. Kindergarten through first grade kids explored the question, "Boy, girl or both?" while perusing the picture book, "My Princess Boy."

Second and third graders were informed that gender diversity was natural; that it appears throughout nature and in the animal kingdom. The fourth and fifth graders were treated to the song, "All I want to be is me," while being told that they "can be a boy, a girl, both or neither." And lest you think this type of brainwashing only happens in Berkeley and Oakland, there are national organizations working hard to bring this to a classroom near you.

The progressives, of course, don't publicize such training as queering or gender bending. In classic doublespeak, they cloak the programs in noble terms, such as "safety training," and "anti-bullying." (Thus, Kevin Jennings' position in the Obama Administration has been carefully crafted as "The Assistant Deputy Secretary in the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools.")

But while the training is supposedly about safety, the issues quickly become focused on sexual minorities. There's no help for the Christian child bullied for his beliefs, or the abstinent teen teased mercilessly for waiting until marriage.

Somehow the safety issues always return to the gay, bi, or trans youth. Perhaps this is a way to control and intimidate the sexual majority; certainly, it forces more sex talk into the curriculum.

Regardless of how the left spins it, children being forced to listen to one uncomfortable, repellant sex talk after another, is not safety. It's also not education. It's actually a state-sanctioned form of child abuse.

This is another of the left's dirty little secrets: the ease in which they will use and abuse children for their radical agenda. Back in the 60‘s, the secret was the molestation of kids in places like Berkeley. Today, it's the widespread exploitation of children in the public schools.

Sexual misconduct isn't just creepy Uncle Henry touching and exhibiting. Abuse exists on a continuum from exposing a child to inappropriate sexual materials and asking sexually intrusive questions, all the way to incest and rape.

Notice the disturbing parallels between the creepy uncle and today's schools. Uncle Henry may force a child to look at pornography; how is this any different in a child's mind than the child being required to sit through sexual talks and films, beginning in elementary schools?

The demented relative will tutor the child that sex is pleasurable; that he's doing this for her own good. Note the similarity to teachers advising kids that it's okay, even desirable, to have sex with whomever; that kids, in fact, have a "right" to it.

Abuse often happens in secret, with the predator twisting and contorting his true intent. Notice the parallel to teachers introducing shocking and confusing sexual information to children, unbeknownst to parents.

Of course, the left has worked overtime to make sure parents are left out of the picture. Liberal courts have determined that parents don't need to be notified or consenting for sex talk. In schools today, parents have little or no say in what their children are exposed to.

Teachers force-feeding kids a steady diet of sexual information confuses and corrupts them. At least when it comes to the creepy uncle, most kids know, on some level, that what the relative is doing is wrong.

But teachers are in positions of authority; they are guardians of the public trust. Schools violate this trust and abuse their power by using it to brainwash kids. And this is how brainwashing works: forcing a person to remain in a disturbing situation where propaganda is repeated over and over again, until finally the victim becomes desensitized and compliant.

By focusing on the youth, the left creates the perfect victim. Sexually abused children may lose their ability to say no -- or even to recognize when it's appropriate to say no. Exposing them to sex at an early age plants permanent images in their brains, ones that stimulate them to become hooked on thrills, sexual and otherwise.

The sexualization of school children isn't simply a difference of opinion between the right and the left. It's a difference between right and wrong.

Teaching school children to become hooked on pleasure; coaxing them to try sexual practices that may sicken, even kill them; giving them license to change their genders. . . Is there a person in their right mind who can't see that this isn't just inappropriate; it is downright evil?


Conclusion>
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/the_lefts_dirty_little_secret.html

megimoo
05-27-2011, 04:04 PM
Conclusion>
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/the_lefts_dirty_little_secret.html

As usual Robin of Berkeley scores a homerun !That woman can sure write a compelling piece !

Rockntractor
05-27-2011, 04:32 PM
As usual Robin of Berkeley scores a homerun !That woman can sure write a compelling piece !

She is one of my favorites for sure!

ABC
05-27-2011, 04:42 PM
Totally, totally disgusting! :mad:

Who doesn't believe after reading that, that the left is filled with evil intentions? I refuse to say "misguided!"

Just in case anyone missed it a couple of days ago linked from Drudge ... is a report on a Toronto, Canada couple (2 lefty twit parents) and what they are imposing on their youngest child.

They deserve to be incarcerated for such an experiment!

http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/newsfeatures/article/995846--star-readers-rage-about-couple-raising-genderless-infant

~ ABC

ColonialMarine0431
05-27-2011, 04:45 PM
Outstandng.

FlaGator
05-27-2011, 04:47 PM
I guess this is in addition to the dirty little secret that libs rarely wash their underwear.

megimoo
05-27-2011, 04:54 PM
I guess this is in addition to the dirty little secret that libs rarely wash their underwear.Or the Mu Mu Hippie dancing woman shave their armpits !

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-27-2011, 08:19 PM
Pretty humongous and hate filled generalizations in that article.
I'm on the left and if I ever saw ANYONE abusing their child in any sort of physical or sexual manner, I'd kick the shit out of them. Harming children, the most innocent group of people on the planet, is heinous.

Rockntractor
05-27-2011, 08:22 PM
Pretty humongous and hate filled generalizations in that article.
I'm on the left and if I ever saw ANYONE abusing their child in any sort of physical or sexual manner, I'd kick the shit out of them. Harming children, the most innocent group of people on the planet, is heinous.

Research the author and read the rest of her articles, you will be surprised.

Hawkgirl
05-27-2011, 08:28 PM
..sort of like the radical mooslimbs indoctrinating their own youth. The left has a lot in common with the radicals.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-27-2011, 08:32 PM
Research the author and read the rest of her articles, you will be surprised.

In what way would I be surprised? In this article alone she categorizes political opponents as sympathizers with child abuse at best, and full on pedophiles at worst. I may disagree with you strongly on your political stances, but unless you say something truly heinous, I wouldn't consider you evil. I might consider your views misguided, incorrect or nutso, but not evil. I think when one side calls the other evil, literally evil, that goes beyond politics and just into hatred.

I'll give you my view on Sex Ed. I don't believe that at the childhood level any teacher should teach anything beyond something like, "If someone touches you on your private parts, tell somebody, because it's wrong." or something like that. I don't believe kids should be taught anything complex or in depth at all about sex, sexuality, gender or anything of the sort--they're far too young to understand it, much less gain anything good from it. All it will do is imbue perhaps a curiosity about sexuality, which could have negative reactions.

So yeah. No talk about "boy parts" and "girl parts" in the classroom at the childhood level, nothing of the birds and the bees; None of that. Just a simple "If anyone touches you on your privates, tell someone." or something better worded.

When it comes to HS level, though--Like 15, 16--I do believe sex ed courses should be taught but not mandatory and that they should mainly focus on safe sex practices or abstinence and why practicing safe sex or even being abstinent is better than unsafe sex or doing it at all. I wouldn't approach it from any particular religious perspective but from a common sense one. Teenagers don't like God shoved down their thoughts, but being self centered, anything that can benefit them or harm them in the short term they're interested in.

I've known teen and young mothers and none of them wanted it that way; it just happened sadly. The problem lies at home. Too many parents just don't give a fuck.

Rockntractor
05-27-2011, 08:35 PM
In what way would I be surprised? In this article alone she categorizes political opponents as sympathizers with child abuse at best, and full on pedophiles at worst. I may disagree with you strongly on your political stances, but unless you say something truly heinous, I wouldn't consider you evil. I might consider your views misguided, incorrect or nutso, but not evil. I think when one side calls the other evil, literally evil, that goes beyond politics and just into hatred.

I'll give you my view on Sex Ed. I don't believe that at the childhood level any teacher should teach anything beyond something like, "If someone touches you on your private parts, tell somebody, because it's wrong." or something like that. I don't believe kids should be taught anything complex or in depth at all about sex, sexuality, gender or anything of the sort--they're far too young to understand it, much less gain anything good from it. All it will do is imbue perhaps a curiosity about sexuality, which could have negative reactions.

So yeah. No talk about "boy parts" and "girl parts" in the classroom at the childhood level, nothing of the birds and the bees; None of that. Just a simple "If anyone touches you on your privates, tell someone." or something better worded.

When it comes to HS level, though--Like 15, 16--I do believe sex ed courses should be taught but not mandatory and that they should mainly focus on safe sex practices or abstinence and why practicing safe sex or even being abstinent is better than unsafe sex or doing it at all. I wouldn't approach it from any particular religious perspective but from a common sense one. Teenagers don't like God shoved down their thoughts, but being self centered, anything that can benefit them or harm them in the short term they're interested in.

I've known teen and young mothers and none of them wanted it that way; it just happened sadly. The problem lies at home. Too many parents just don't give a fuck.

Can you not investigate something on recommendation, I'm not going to tell you what to think or how to think, I just thought this might enlighten you. I may be wrong about you.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-27-2011, 08:35 PM
..sort of like the radical mooslimbs indoctrinating their own youth. The left has a lot in common with the radicals.

To be fair, most people--Most parents and whatnot--do to an extent "indoctrinate" their views on their children. It shouldn't happen in a school setting but what are you gonna do?

I got into an argument with a girl I know whose professor has her thinking the US was behind 9/11 or knew about it beforehand, some sort of truther shit. She was like mocking our victory when we killed bin Laden because she believed he wasn't really the enemy or whatever, that 9/11 was a conspiracy. I had a huge fight with her that day and said it wasn't her professor's place to be teaching his PERSONAL views in a PUBLIC classroom. There's a time and a place for sharing one's political views but it isn't in a classroom between teacher and student.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-27-2011, 08:41 PM
Can you not investigate something on recommendation, I'm not going to tell you what to think or how to think, I just thought this might enlighten you. I may be wrong about you.

I'll investigate her works and try to have an open mind about it. But please remember...Just because one is a Liberal or a Democrat doesn't mean I'm going to agree with every Liberal doctrine or Progressive radicalism. Just as I'm sure you don't agree with your fellow Conservatives on everything, on every issue. There's some Conservatives who will agree with you 100% on taxes and economics and who might also feel abortion should be legal and is fine.

I have read before this article about the Frankfurt School, their history and origins and all of their incredibly fucked up views and theories which they decided to export to the US. I know about how the Frankfurt School basically helped inspire the '60s counterculture both directly and indirectly in almost every way from the music to the clothes to the attitudes to the tossing aside of traditional values. I deplore and feel nothing but contempt for the Frankfurt School. They are not my "comrades", pun intended.

Rockntractor
05-27-2011, 08:44 PM
I'll investigate her works and try to have an open mind about it. But please remember...Just because one is a Liberal or a Democrat doesn't mean I'm going to agree with every Liberal doctrine or Progressive radicalism. Just as I'm sure you don't agree with your fellow Conservatives on everything, on every issue. There's some Conservatives who will agree with you 100% on taxes and economics and who might also feel abortion should be legal and is fine.

I have read before this article about the Frankfurt School, their history and origins and all of their incredibly fucked up views and theories which they decided to export to the US. I know about how the Frankfurt School basically helped inspire the '60s counterculture both directly and indirectly in almost every way from the music to the clothes to the attitudes to the tossing aside of traditional values. I deplore and feel nothing but contempt for the Frankfurt School. They are not my "comrades", pun intended.

http://www.americanthinker.com/robin_of_berkeley/

fettpett
05-27-2011, 09:34 PM
Pretty humongous and hate filled generalizations in that article.
I'm on the left and if I ever saw ANYONE abusing their child in any sort of physical or sexual manner, I'd kick the shit out of them. Harming children, the most innocent group of people on the planet, is heinous.

you are really naive aren't you? of course you never see it, cuz that's not how it works.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-27-2011, 09:49 PM
you are really naive aren't you? of course you never see it, cuz that's not how it works.

Of course I know that's not how it works. The most sinister subversive types are those do their deeds in the darkness or when general society isn't looking for the most part. I know what the writer of that article is speaking of; I understand what she's trying to put forth. I explained my views on Sex Ed and the like with kids.

If it is truly as the writer is presenting it, then it is evil. I can't combat what I don't see, though. You know what I'm saying? I can vote for leaders who'd try to induce, or encourage reforms--But I can't go into classrooms beating up teachers, you know?

Constitutionally Speaking
05-28-2011, 09:50 AM
Pretty humongous and hate filled generalizations in that article.
I'm on the left and if I ever saw ANYONE abusing their child in any sort of physical or sexual manner, I'd kick the shit out of them. Harming children, the most innocent group of people on the planet, is heinous.


She was once part of the "movement".

Novaheart
05-28-2011, 10:07 AM
Totally, totally disgusting! :mad:

Who doesn't believe after reading that, that the left is filled with evil intentions? I refuse to say "misguided!"

Just in case anyone missed it a couple of days ago linked from Drudge ... is a report on a Toronto, Canada couple (2 lefty twit parents) and what they are imposing on their youngest child.

They deserve to be incarcerated for such an experiment!

http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/newsfeatures/article/995846--star-readers-rage-about-couple-raising-genderless-infant

~ ABC

What is "Robin's" real name?

How old is she?

Where does she live?

Novaheart
05-28-2011, 10:09 AM
you are really naive aren't you? of course you never see it, cuz that's not how it works.

You're an alcoholic.

No I'm not.

Denial is a sign of alcoholism.

fettpett
05-28-2011, 10:11 AM
You're an alcoholic.

No I'm not.

Denial is a sign of alcoholism.

http://thepqnation.com/livingwicked/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Dumbass.jpg

Novaheart
05-28-2011, 10:33 AM
snore

The point being that the article is crap, which appeals to your confirmation bias.

It would be like me writing an article claiming that Baptists and evangelicals are three times as likely to commit rape or murder. I can offer statistics to support that (something Robin didn't bother to do) , but it doesn't make it true or relevant.

fettpett
05-28-2011, 11:08 AM
The point being that the article is crap, which appeals to your confirmation bias.

It would be like me writing an article claiming that Baptists and evangelicals are three times as likely to commit rape or murder. I can offer statistics to support that (something Robin didn't bother to do) , but it doesn't make it true or relevant.

my comments to CITM were not about the content of the article but his assertion about seeing someone abusing a child, and what he would do. There are many people, including my wife, who were sexually abused as children and you don't see it in any shape or form unless you are REALLY looking for the signs. Most times that it is even brought to light is when the victim talks about it.

Novaheart
05-28-2011, 12:00 PM
my comments to CITM were not about the content of the article but his assertion about seeing someone abusing a child, and what he would do. There are many people, including my wife, who were sexually abused as children and you don't see it in any shape or form unless you are REALLY looking for the signs. Most times that it is even brought to light is when the victim talks about it.

Sorry, I took your comment to mean that Robin's accusations were true and significant.

Teaching kids that masturbation is normal is not abuse.

Teaching kids that there is a range of gender expressions, and that if you are a girl who likes baseball or a boy who likes hopscotch then that's OK is not abuse.

Teaching kids that some people are attracted to the opposite sex, some are attracted to the same sex, and some are attracted to either or neither is not abuse. It's letting kids know that their self worth is not defined by the expectations or stupidity of others.

Parents have the right to teach their kids that the world is flat, but the public schools have the obligation to teach the kids that the world is round and prepare them to thrive in it.

ColonialMarine0431
05-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Sorry, I took your comment to mean that Robin's accusations were true and significant.

Teaching kids that masturbation is normal is not abuse.

Teaching kids that there is a range of gender expressions, and that if you are a girl who likes baseball or a boy who likes hopscotch then that's OK is not abuse.

Teaching kids that some people are attracted to the opposite sex, some are attracted to the same sex, and some are attracted to either or neither is not abuse. It's letting kids know that their self worth is not defined by the expectations or stupidity of others.

Parents have the right to teach their kids that the world is flat, but the public schools have the obligation to teach the kids that the world is round and prepare them to thrive in it.

Oh. My. God.

:eek:

Novaheart
05-28-2011, 02:27 PM
Oh. My. God.

:eek:

¿Que?

ColonialMarine0431
05-28-2011, 02:38 PM
¿Que?

You said:

"Teaching kids that masturbation is normal is not abuse.

Teaching kids that there is a range of gender expressions, and that if you are a girl who likes baseball or a boy who likes hopscotch then that's OK is not abuse.

Teaching kids that some people are attracted to the opposite sex, some are attracted to the same sex, and some are attracted to either or neither is not abuse. It's letting kids know that their self worth is not defined by the expectations or stupidity of others."

Do you mean schools teaching these things?

djones520
05-28-2011, 06:38 PM
my comments to CITM were not about the content of the article but his assertion about seeing someone abusing a child, and what he would do. There are many people, including my wife, who were sexually abused as children and you don't see it in any shape or form unless you are REALLY looking for the signs. Most times that it is even brought to light is when the victim talks about it.

Exactly. No one had any clue about how I was abused until I was 17 and told my parents. It took 9 years for me to talk about it, and no one except for myself and the perpetrater were aware of it in that time.

CueSi
05-28-2011, 06:41 PM
Exactly. No one had any clue about how I was abused until I was 17 and told my parents. It took 9 years for me to talk about it, and no one except for myself and the perpetrater were aware of it in that time.

Co-sign. It takes alot longer for guys to reveal abuse. Girls may reveal it at 10/12/14. . . but some men don't talk of molestation till their 40's IF AT ALL.

~QC

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-28-2011, 06:42 PM
Yeah, I don't think masturbation should be discussed at all in a public or private school outside of maybe a High School sex ed class.

As far as gender roles...I agree that it's OK for a girl to play basketball or a boy to play hopskotch but I don't know that a classroom is the proper place for that ideal to be taught. For one, it might go against the child's parents own opinions and ideals, thus undermining the parents: "Well, who knows more? Daddy and Mommy or Mrs. Johnson?" It could lead to early childhood rebellion. There's enough problem with that in the teenage years.

Teaching about homosexuality...In that it's ok or not...Complex issue. I don't know that childhood is the right time to discuss it. But it is a complex issue in our society. My stance is live and let live. I don't care what a gay male or a lesbian female or a bisexual person does in their homes, nor do I care if they kiss, hold hands in public, get married, etc. But that's my opinion. If I'm a teacher, I'm teaching a class of kids whose parents might not agree with me. What right of mine is it to teach MY PERSONAL VIEWS to students at such a young age?

This whole thing--what teachers should and shouldn't say to students, and at what age, is a very complex issue. The saying in society is you don't talk politics or religion in public. I think the same idea should go for public education. Both ways. A conservative leaning teacher shouldn't try to get kids to become little conservatives, and neither should a liberal teacher attempt the same. Both would be equally wrong.

While there are many, many fucked up parents who do not instill good moral values into their children, at the same time, it's a very dangerous precedent to assume that it's a school's job to teach moral or personal values. I mean the basic stuff like sharing, being kind to others, not being a bully--yes, teach that, fine--but not higher, more complex issues, because all it will lead to is resentment on the part of the parents and children confused as to who they should listen to.

djones520
05-28-2011, 06:43 PM
Co-sign. It takes alot longer for guys to reveal abuse. Girls may reveal it at 10/12/14. . . but some men don't talk of molestation till their 40's IF AT ALL.

~QC

I may have never even brought it up if my hand wasn't forced. It was an uncle of mine, who for the first time in years (since the "encounter") decided to call one Christmas to say hi. I refused to talk to him, and thats how I ended up telling them.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-28-2011, 07:09 PM
I may have never even brought it up if my hand wasn't forced. It was an uncle of mine, who for the first time in years (since the "encounter") decided to call one Christmas to say hi. I refused to talk to him, and thats how I ended up telling them.

I'm sorry you had to go through all that. That's just a lifelong nightmare and it's terrible that any kid should be harmed in such a way, especially by a family member. No offence meant, but I do wish your uncle could've been jailed for what he did.

djones520
05-28-2011, 07:12 PM
I'm sorry you had to go through all that. That's just a lifelong nightmare and it's terrible that any kid should be harmed in such a way, especially by a family member. No offence meant, but I do wish your uncle could've been jailed for what he did.

Honestly, for me at least, it wasn't a nightmare. I was assualted, yes. It was horrible when it happened. But that was it. After he had left, it wasn't really an issue anymore. As far as I was concerned it might as well have never happened, because I didn't let it affect my life at all.

Now I know there are others who have a hard time dealing with their experiences, but for myself there was no difficulty.

Melody
05-28-2011, 08:08 PM
Pretty humongous and hate filled generalizations in that article.
I'm on the left and if I ever saw ANYONE abusing their child in any sort of physical or sexual manner, I'd kick the shit out of them. Harming children, the most innocent group of people on the planet, is heinous.

Yet, the left will tell their children that the USA was founded by white guys full of hate.

Abuse takes many forms.

ABC
05-28-2011, 08:13 PM
Rock ...

What have you done to me? :)

Am supposed to be getting on with dinner at the moment. Instead am still printing out Robin's columns in the archives to read.

Have also discovered, and just can't stop reading, her blog @ http://www.robinofberkeley.com/

It is really good reading for the Conservative Soul ... especially coming from a once committed Liberal/Progressive who finally and painfully "saw the light."

Gotta run ... ABC

Rockntractor
05-28-2011, 08:47 PM
Rock ...

What have you done to me? :)

Am supposed to be getting on with dinner at the moment. Instead am still printing out Robin's columns in the archives to read.

Have also discovered, and just can't stop reading, her blog @ http://www.robinofberkeley.com/

It is really good reading for the Conservative Soul ... especially coming from a once committed Liberal/Progressive who finally and painfully "saw the light."

Gotta run ... ABC

Thanks! I didn't know about the blog.:)

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Yet, the left will tell their children that the USA was founded by white guys full of hate.

Abuse takes many forms.

Yeah cause that's what I was taught in school and what I intend to teach my children :rolleyes:

Novaheart
05-29-2011, 12:39 AM
Co-sign. It takes alot longer for guys to reveal abuse. Girls may reveal it at 10/12/14. . . but some men don't talk of molestation till their 40's IF AT ALL.

~QC

I think that there are measurable fundamental differences between the experiences of boys and the experiences of girls, both in age appropriate behaviors, inappropriate behaviors, near age experiences, and adult on child molestation. In the news articles, and even in personal accounts people rarely go into particulars of what happened.

Maybe it's sexist, but I personally perceive that girls are less likely to experiment sexually, and are more traumatized by an aggressive same age actor, a near age actor, or an over age molester. Sexually abused girls are often penetrated, whereas boys are rarely penetrated, in fact some psychologists have said that male perps on male children often find penetration too adult.

A lot of males who have had early sexual experiences, age appropriate, age inappropriate, or adult on child molestation do not feel traumatized or that they have been molested. My experience in talking to some guys is that they felt as if they were in control and that the behavior was voluntary on their part, even if it was abusive or illegal on the part of the actor. Some feel that they initiated the event. By comparison, I can't recall ever talking to a female who felt that her juvenile experience with an overaged male, or even one her own age, was voluntary or that she initiated.

Novaheart
05-29-2011, 12:46 AM
Yet, the left will tell their children that the USA was founded by white guys full of hate.

Abuse takes many forms.

Get a broader brush, that's one's only a mile wide.

Odysseus
05-29-2011, 01:38 AM
Of course I know that's not how it works. The most sinister subversive types are those do their deeds in the darkness or when general society isn't looking for the most part. I know what the writer of that article is speaking of; I understand what she's trying to put forth. I explained my views on Sex Ed and the like with kids.

If it is truly as the writer is presenting it, then it is evil. I can't combat what I don't see, though. You know what I'm saying? I can vote for leaders who'd try to induce, or encourage reforms--But I can't go into classrooms beating up teachers, you know?

Actually, the most sinister subversive types do their deeds in the light of day, and convince the general society that what they do is perfectly acceptable.

MrsSmith
05-29-2011, 08:33 AM
Pretty humongous and hate filled generalizations in that article.
I'm on the left and if I ever saw ANYONE abusing their child in any sort of physical or sexual manner, I'd kick the shit out of them. Harming children, the most innocent group of people on the planet, is heinous.

I take it you are violently opposed to abortion, then? You can't hurt a kid any worse than ripping him into pieces.

MrsSmith
05-29-2011, 08:38 AM
I think that there are measurable fundamental differences between the experiences of boys and the experiences of girls, both in age appropriate behaviors, inappropriate behaviors, near age experiences, and adult on child molestation. In the news articles, and even in personal accounts people rarely go into particulars of what happened.

Maybe it's sexist, but I personally perceive that girls are less likely to experiment sexually, and are more traumatized by an aggressive same age actor, a near age actor, or an over age molester. Sexually abused girls are often penetrated, whereas boys are rarely penetrated, in fact some psychologists have said that male perps on male children often find penetration too adult.

A lot of males who have had early sexual experiences, age appropriate, age inappropriate, or adult on child molestation do not feel traumatized or that they have been molested. My experience in talking to some guys is that they felt as if they were in control and that the behavior was voluntary on their part, even if it was abusive or illegal on the part of the actor. Some feel that they initiated the event. By comparison, I can't recall ever talking to a female who felt that her juvenile experience with an overaged male, or even one her own age, was voluntary or that she initiated.

In my personal experience, the molested males were damaged more deeply than the females. Of course, this is only among those I know, but I believe the difference is largely in the attitude of society. Women of any age are finally being seen by most as not responsible for the attack, and truly a victim. Males, on the other hand, are so generally expected to be self-reliant and tough that many still think they can't be raped, rape is only a woman's problem. It's harder to deal with abuse when everyone has the attitude that you could have stopped it...and didn't.

AmPat
05-29-2011, 12:04 PM
Pretty humongous and hate filled generalizations in that article.
I'm on the left and if I ever saw ANYONE abusing their child in any sort of physical or sexual manner, I'd kick the shit out of them. Harming children, the most innocent group of people on the planet, is heinous.
Typical liberal response to the truth; claim "hate" or another false label when you have no defense. :rolleyes:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
05-31-2011, 02:28 AM
Typical liberal response to the truth; claim "hate" or another false label when you have no defense. :rolleyes:

Equating an entire group of people with child abusers, or child abuse sympathizers, simply because you disagree with them politically, is in my opinion hateful. It's not political. It's trying to go beyond politics. I already gave my stance on child abuse and teaching sex to kids...But wait...I'm a liberal! So surely I must agree with the teachers who want to sexualize children, even though I already stated I'm vehemently opposed to that and think it morally wrong.

Rockntractor
05-31-2011, 02:46 AM
Equating an entire group of people with child abusers, or child abuse sympathizers, simply because you disagree with them politically, is in my opinion hateful. It's not political. It's trying to go beyond politics. I already gave my stance on child abuse and teaching sex to kids...But wait...I'm a liberal! So surely I must agree with the teachers who want to sexualize children, even though I already stated I'm vehemently opposed to that and think it morally wrong.

Read this one through.
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=40721

AmPat
05-31-2011, 09:27 AM
Equating an entire group of people with child abusers, or child abuse sympathizers, simply because you disagree with them politically, is in my opinion hateful. It's not political. It's trying to go beyond politics. I already gave my stance on child abuse and teaching sex to kids...But wait...I'm a liberal! So surely I must agree with the teachers who want to sexualize children, even though I already stated I'm vehemently opposed to that and think it morally wrong.

I have an automatic reflex to the abuse, overuse, and misuse of the word "hateful' or "hate." It is common now to label somebody with whom one disagrees by labeling them. Hate and hateful are words my teen aged daughter uses to describe those she does not like. I believe hate is to be used much further along the line than simple disagreement of somebody's opinion.:cool:

noonwitch
05-31-2011, 09:51 AM
Exactly. No one had any clue about how I was abused until I was 17 and told my parents. It took 9 years for me to talk about it, and no one except for myself and the perpetrater were aware of it in that time.



I can get a female to disclose it in about a 15 minute conversation. Men never talk about it with anyone unless they have to or they're sleeping with her.