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05-28-2011, 08:29 AM
DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Fri May-27-11 09:48 AM
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In a day when going to college is considered a waste, my kid graduated with two degrees, cum laude
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One in Liberal Arts, one in applied science. She will go on to hopefully, a career in social work, which is her goal. She is a bona fide way Left Progressive, she KNOWS the Right is trying to destroy her future and her rights, and she will do everything in her power to make a difference in many many people's lives. She made us proud.


She done good.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1183878&mesg_id=1183878

Hmmmmm I wonder how much daddy influenced her

Novaheart
05-28-2011, 09:15 AM
My sister took a job as a social worker, many years ago when you didn't need a specific degree in it. At first, despite the low pay, she found it much more rewarding than the abusive romp through "management training" she had experienced in private industry. Overall, she felt better about her work for social services than she did for any work before that. Still, she was frustrated because some of the safeguards built into the system, which many people tout as "accountability" or honesty mechanisms, worked against common sense because the rules were often hard and fast and the social workers didn't have a lot of room to use common sense and discretion.

One of the problems with the "rules are rules" mentality is that in the attempt to eliminate human mistakes or poor choices, we also stifle critical decision making and hamper the one ability of a human being that doesn't appear to have yet been replaced by a machine.

Constitutionally Speaking
05-28-2011, 09:45 AM
My sister took a job as a social worker, many years ago when you didn't need a specific degree in it. At first, despite the low pay, she found it much more rewarding than the abusive romp through "management training" she had experienced in private industry. Overall, she felt better about her work for social services than she did for any work before that. Still, she was frustrated because some of the safeguards built into the system, which many people tout as "accountability" or honesty mechanisms, worked against common sense because the rules were often hard and fast and the social workers didn't have a lot of room to use common sense and discretion.

One of the problems with the "rules are rules" mentality is that in the attempt to eliminate human mistakes or poor choices, we also stifle critical decision making and hamper the one ability of a human being that doesn't appear to have yet been replaced by a machine.


But that is what you GET when government controls everything. You see it in the regulations they write the laws etc. NOTHING in there to account for variables or extenuating circumstances or to allow new solutions to problems.

That is why liberalism sucks. Freedom and progress come to an end.

Calypso Jones
05-28-2011, 10:09 AM
I've seen this youthful enthusiasm for Social work and whatever other forms this takes. This is nothing but the optimism and unrealistic goals of youth. These kids, generally female, think they are going to change the world with their service....cause that's all it is. Get yourself educated to the nth degree in this stuff and receive dam near minimum wage or at least way less than your degrees would merit. Nobody, nobody will change/get better unless THEY want to. and they don't. but like fools, these kids just keep on pounding away at it. Burning themselves out, keeping faudulent and criminal employers in business, keeping the young patients dependent and showing them newer and better ways to avoid responsibility.

These 'patients' are badly raised children or just bad apples. I defy anyone to show anywhere near results that would warrant the time and energy spent in this field. IMO, it's a scam.

Novaheart
05-28-2011, 10:44 AM
I've seen this youthful enthusiasm for Social work and whatever other forms this takes. This is nothing but the optimism and unrealistic goals of youth. These kids, generally female, think they are going to change the world with their service....cause that's all it is. Get yourself educated to the nth degree in this stuff and receive dam near minimum wage or at least way less than your degrees would merit. Nobody, nobody will change/get better unless THEY want to. and they don't. but like fools, these kids just keep on pounding away at it. Burning themselves out, keeping faudulent and criminal employers in business, keeping the young patients dependent and showing them newer and better ways to avoid responsibility.

These 'patients' are badly raised children or just bad apples. I defy anyone to show anywhere near results that would warrant the time and energy spent in this field. IMO, it's a scam.

I think you have painted with a very broad brush. There have long been people who worked entire careers in a broad range of public and private social services, and yes most have been at relatively low pay compared to people of similar education and background. This is why social services (public or private) was long regarded as a pursuit of wealthy or married women whose income wasn't needed for family support.

I also agree that we have once again allowed a fairly simple occupation to become what I call "credentialized" , ie that it's somewhat ridiculous that one can get a degree in social work. In fairness, an MSW is not simply a credential for handing out food stamps or rent vouchers, an MSW is trained in recognizing deeper problems than simple need so a client can be required or referred to seek additional assistance or care.

My sister worked with poor rural people in southern Maryland. These were not stereotypes of welfare queens with fake nails, fake hair, a Nissan, and an air conditioned public housing unit. These were people who had nothing, who worked seasonally in the tobacco fields and lived in crappy houses and trailers. Many of these people were uneducated and grew up in an environment that simply doesn't produce many winners.

If the power goes off and you or I lose all the food in the fridge, we can go out an get more. These people can't. And the shibboleth of "Well charity used to take care of this." is crap. Charity has always been selective. We have had poor houses in the US since colonial times. We have had taxes for the care of the poor since colonial times. The difference between now and then is that we believe that if you help people a little sooner and less judgmentally now, they or their kids might actually escape poverty. And a lot of them do.

Scripture says that the poor will always be with us. So the fact that there are still poor people doesn't prove that charity doesn't work, it proves that poverty is enduring. Economists can actually give you numbers on how many poor people are required to allow one rich person to be rich.

The biggest lie in the history of the US is the rise of the middle class. It took lots and lots of poor people in the South, picking beans, making textiles, sewing clothes, weaving baskets, and doing many of the things now done by Mexicans or in Mexico to support that illusion of national prosperity. When hourly workers were making $6 a day building cars, some people were cleaning houses for $4 a week.

BadCat
05-28-2011, 11:55 AM
Lemme fix this...

DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Fri May-27-11 09:48 AM
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In a day when going to college is considered a waste, my kid graduated with two degrees, cum laude

One in Liberal Arts, one in applied science. She will go on to hopefully, a career in social work, which is her goal. She is a bona fide way Left Progressive, she KNOWS that she will never MAKE ANY MONEY, she WILL ABORT AT LEAST THREE OF OUR GRANDCHILDREN, and SHE WILL MOVE TO VERMONT AND MARRY ANOTHER WOMAN. She made us proud.


She done good.

Phillygirl
05-28-2011, 12:37 PM
I've seen this youthful enthusiasm for Social work and whatever other forms this takes. This is nothing but the optimism and unrealistic goals of youth. These kids, generally female, think they are going to change the world with their service....cause that's all it is. Get yourself educated to the nth degree in this stuff and receive dam near minimum wage or at least way less than your degrees would merit. Nobody, nobody will change/get better unless THEY want to. and they don't. but like fools, these kids just keep on pounding away at it. Burning themselves out, keeping faudulent and criminal employers in business, keeping the young patients dependent and showing them newer and better ways to avoid responsibility.

These 'patients' are badly raised children or just bad apples. I defy anyone to show anywhere near results that would warrant the time and energy spent in this field. IMO, it's a scam.

I don't believe liberal arts degrees are all a waste, nor are social work degrees or necessarily social workers a waste. I will grant you that mostly it's those with youth, enthusiasm and a desire to help others that go into these fields. I was a liberal arts major(s) (Political Science, Philosophy, with minors in History and Public Administration). There was a short time that I considered working in the court system as something other than an attorney, particularly as it related to youth offenders.

One of my roommates started out as an accounting major and then changed to a social work major. She ultimately obtained her master's degree in social work. I often thought she was wasting her time, energy and money on what I considered to be a fairly low-paying, low rewarding job. I was wrong. She makes close to 6 figures, I believe working for the state of NJ ARC (Association for Retarded Citizens). She is now in the administrative side of things, rather than the direct service end as a social worker. But I know that she has found her work extremely rewording and relevant. I think those that have had the need for special services in that field would be grateful for those that go into that area as well.

That's certainly not to say that all social work is necessarily beneficial, realistic, or appropriate. But I agree with Novaheart that a broad brush in this area probably ignores some of the real benefit that social workers can have on society. There are many areas that they are very useful, be it in the area of family therapy, educational needs, medical service industry, and with respect to the elderly and many of the less fortunate members of our society.

It takes a special person to have the kind of intellect to finish one of these programs, knowing that, generally speaking, they are not going to reap the financial rewards that some may believe such an education should bring. But, life is not just about being able to own a porsche and vacation in exotic locales at 5 star resorts. Well, for some people.

pyackog
05-28-2011, 01:57 PM
My sister took a job as a social worker, many years ago when you didn't need a specific degree in it. At first, despite the low pay, she found it much more rewarding than the abusive romp through "management training" she had experienced in private industry. Overall, she felt better about her work for social services than she did for any work before that. Still, she was frustrated because some of the safeguards built into the system, which many people tout as "accountability" or honesty mechanisms, worked against common sense because the rules were often hard and fast and the social workers didn't have a lot of room to use common sense and discretion.

One of the problems with the "rules are rules" mentality is that in the attempt to eliminate human mistakes or poor choices, we also stifle critical decision making and hamper the one ability of a human being that doesn't appear to have yet been replaced by a machine.

One of my best friends did the same thing, although she needed her MSW to do what she wanted. She had some of the same issues you talked about with some of the rules which were really the same as the idiotic "zero tolerance" stuff they do in schools. She actually quit one job over a rule she disagreed with.

ColonialMarine0431
05-28-2011, 02:12 PM
my kid graduated with two degrees, cum laude
One in Liberal Arts, one in applied science

"Do you want fries with your order?" :D:D

Dan D. Doty
05-28-2011, 06:14 PM
"Do you want fries with your order?" :D:D

That's about the size of it.

Reminds me of Moonbat named Lonnie up in Saint Louis.

He went college, spent four years getting a degree in electrical engineering. But at the end four years, he told Mom And Dad he wasn't ready for the real world just yet. So they paid for another two years of college so Lonnie get a degree in Philosophy. When he was done, he proclaimed to the world that techonology can't solve all problems; an answer you could have gotten out of a ten year old kid :rolleyes:

So Lonnie decided to become one with workers, and became a waiter in some stuck up , upscale eatery.

After he found out that working for a living sucked, his family gave Lonnie a very, very easy job in the family business; now he makes two million a year and is still a raving Moonbat with no sense of reality; preaching the Joys of Communism/ Socialism to all the other Moonbat trust fund babies in Saint Louis.

ColonialMarine0431
05-28-2011, 07:06 PM
Sounds like your typical Limousine Liberal.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Liberal%20Baiting/Limousine/limousine_liberal.jpg

marv
05-28-2011, 11:35 PM
I got smart, dropped out of school, and retired at 54 - almost 20 years ago. Either you got it, or you don't........:D

If you aint worth crap with two kollege degrees, don't complain to me!

NBC2012
05-30-2011, 06:19 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1183878&mesg_id=1183878

Hmmmmm I wonder how much daddy influenced her

Sounds like quite a bit which is of course the purpose of parenting.

Real question is will she 'Honor her Father & Mother' in the traditional sense, that is care for them when they are elderly and frail.....................or will she just drop them off at the local soylent green mill.

I have a feeling LOTS of boomers are going to wish they had been better parents as social security and medicare are dismantled over the next 20 years.

noonwitch
05-31-2011, 08:35 AM
I've seen this youthful enthusiasm for Social work and whatever other forms this takes. This is nothing but the optimism and unrealistic goals of youth. These kids, generally female, think they are going to change the world with their service....cause that's all it is. Get yourself educated to the nth degree in this stuff and receive dam near minimum wage or at least way less than your degrees would merit. Nobody, nobody will change/get better unless THEY want to. and they don't. but like fools, these kids just keep on pounding away at it. Burning themselves out, keeping faudulent and criminal employers in business, keeping the young patients dependent and showing them newer and better ways to avoid responsibility.

These 'patients' are badly raised children or just bad apples. I defy anyone to show anywhere near results that would warrant the time and energy spent in this field. IMO, it's a scam.



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