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Odysseus
05-31-2011, 03:12 PM
Iranian Ayatollah endorses evil: Radical religious cleric known as President Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor says attacks on Israeli civilians permissible, suicide bombings a Muslim duty

Dudi Cohen
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4076176,00.html

Evil words in Islamic Republic: A senior Iranian cleric, who is known as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor, urged followers to continue suicide attacks against Israelis, including children.

Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah, considered one of the Islamic Republic's most radical clerics, issued a religious edict on his website whereby suicide attacks are not only legitimate but are a must for every Muslim, a special paper by the Middle East Media Research Institute shows.

The senior cleric was responding to a question from a follower regarding the difference between "martyr's death" and "suicide." The man, who wrote anonymously, noted that "some people say that martyrdom operations are considered suicide and that they are haram (forbidden) because they contradict Islam."

In response, Mesbah expressed his regret that his follower has fallen victim to "propaganda of the enemies of Islam." He added that the follower was wasting his time instead of focusing on "uprooting the Zionist regime."

"When protecting Islam, the Muslim people depend on martyrdom operations. It not only is allowed, but even is an obligation," Mesbah wrote.

The follower presented another question regarding Islam's position on harming Israelis, wondering whether Hamas and Jihad actions against Israeli civilians are forbidden. He also asked: "How about the Israeli children killed in such attacks?"

The Iranian Ayatollah did not see fit to forbid the killing of children, only noting that Israelis can be harmed unless they openly express their objection to their government's position. He added that even in such cases, harming civilians is permissible if "they are used as human shield and fighting the aggressors depends on attacking those civilians."

Beyond these insights, the cleric did not offer further instructions and failed to censure the killing of children.

Notably, for the followers of Mesbah, his words are considered as a binding religious edict. On several occasions in the past, Iranian President Ahmadinejad also spoke in favor of "martyrdom acts."
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Iran, in addition to being on the verge of becoming a nuclear power, is the patron of Hezb'ollah a Lebanese Shiite militia with no claims on Israeli territory or grievances against Israel, but which still launches missiles and rockets at Israelis from Lebanon. Iran also provides weapons, training and cash to Hamas, another terrorist group, which now controls Gaza. But, when Israel gives the Palestinians a piece of Jerusalem and retreats to the 1967 borders, all of this hate will magically vanish. :rolleyes:

megimoo
05-31-2011, 03:24 PM
Iranian Ayatollah endorses evil: Radical religious cleric known as President Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor says attacks on Israeli civilians permissible, suicide bombings a Muslim duty

Dudi Cohen
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4076176,00.html

Evil words in Islamic Republic: A senior Iranian cleric, who is known as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor, urged followers to continue suicide attacks against Israelis, including children.

Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah, considered one of the Islamic Republic's most radical clerics, issued a religious edict on his website whereby suicide attacks are not only legitimate but are a must for every Muslim, a special paper by the Middle East Media Research Institute shows.

The senior cleric was responding to a question from a follower regarding the difference between "martyr's death" and "suicide." The man, who wrote anonymously, noted that "some people say that martyrdom operations are considered suicide and that they are haram (forbidden) because they contradict Islam."

In response, Mesbah expressed his regret that his follower has fallen victim to "propaganda of the enemies of Islam." He added that the follower was wasting his time instead of focusing on "uprooting the Zionist regime."

"When protecting Islam, the Muslim people depend on martyrdom operations. It not only is allowed, but even is an obligation," Mesbah wrote.

The follower presented another question regarding Islam's position on harming Israelis, wondering whether Hamas and Jihad actions against Israeli civilians are forbidden. He also asked: "How about the Israeli children killed in such attacks?"

The Iranian Ayatollah did not see fit to forbid the killing of children, only noting that Israelis can be harmed unless they openly express their objection to their government's position. He added that even in such cases, harming civilians is permissible if "they are used as human shield and fighting the aggressors depends on attacking those civilians."

Beyond these insights, the cleric did not offer further instructions and failed to censure the killing of children.

Notably, for the followers of Mesbah, his words are considered as a binding religious edict. On several occasions in the past, Iranian President Ahmadinejad also spoke in favor of "martyrdom acts."
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Iran, in addition to being on the verge of becoming a nuclear power, is the patron of Hezb'ollah a Lebanese Shiite militia with no claims on Israeli territory or grievances against Israel, but which still launches missiles and rockets at Israelis from Lebanon. Iran also provides weapons, training and cash to Hamas, another terrorist group, which now controls Gaza. But, when Israel gives the Palestinians a piece of Jerusalem and retreats to the 1967 borders, all of this hate will magically vanish. :rolleyes:
The Islamic Hatred will never vanish..It's in their blood even their souls...Tribe against Tribe,
sons against Father,..brothers against cousins ..All against The Jew...

Odysseus
05-31-2011, 03:47 PM
The Islamic Hatred will never vanish..It's in their blood even their souls...Tribe against Tribe,
sons against Father,..brothers against cousins ..All against The Jew...

It's a major part of the Qur'an. Mohammed was angry that Jews knew their own scripture and were able to refute the arguments of an illiterate merchant who claimed divine inspiration. His rage eventually culminated in the slaughter of the Jews of Medina.

djones520
06-11-2011, 12:50 AM
It's a major part of the Qur'an. Mohammed was angry that Jews knew their own scripture and were able to refute the arguments of an illiterate merchant who claimed divine inspiration. His rage eventually culminated in the slaughter of the Jews of Medina.

If your referring to the Banu Qurayza, you're being a bit disengenuos. Muhammed had originally signed a treaty with the Jews granting them equal rights within the community as long as they aided in it's defense, freedom to practice their religion, and shared the fair share of the economic burden. He even granted them leave to not partake in any of his "religious wars".

When Medina was attacked, the leaders of the Qurayza attempted to remain nuetral, provided just material support to the defenders of Medina, and then even went as far as to broker a seperate peace and an alliance with the attackers, offering to aid them in taking Medina because they believed that Muhammed could not hold it.

They broke their bargain. Muhammed allowed a trial in accordance to Jewish laws, and they were found guilty. Deutoronmy itself states that if people of a city turn traitor, they are to be killed. Wiped out. Muhammed followed their own laws, killing the men but let the women and children live. Was the response extreme? In today's eyes, yeah. Back then, hardly.

Odysseus
06-12-2011, 12:36 AM
If your referring to the Banu Qurayza, you're being a bit disengenuos. Muhammed had originally signed a treaty with the Jews granting them equal rights within the community as long as they aided in it's defense, freedom to practice their religion, and shared the fair share of the economic burden. He even granted them leave to not partake in any of his "religious wars".

When Medina was attacked, the leaders of the Qurayza attempted to remain nuetral, provided just material support to the defenders of Medina, and then even went as far as to broker a seperate peace and an alliance with the attackers, offering to aid them in taking Medina because they believed that Muhammed could not hold it.

They broke their bargain. Muhammed allowed a trial in accordance to Jewish laws, and they were found guilty. Deutoronmy itself states that if people of a city turn traitor, they are to be killed. Wiped out. Muhammed followed their own laws, killing the men but let the women and children live. Was the response extreme? In today's eyes, yeah. Back then, hardly.

Uh, no. I was actually referring to all of the Jews of Medina, but since you brought up the Banu Qurayza, a bit of context is in order. There were three Jewish tribes in Medina, of which the Banu Qurayza were the last to be slaughtered. The first were the Bani Qaynuqa, who had run afoul of Mohammed for not accepting him as the prophet. When he was feeling his oats after defeating the Meccans, he assembled them and went off:


The apostle assembled them in their market and addressed them as follows: "O Jews, beware lest God bring upon you the vengeance that He brought upon Quraysh and become Muslims. You know that I am a prophet who has been sent - you will find that in your scriptures and God's covenant with you." They replied, "O Muhammad, you seem to think that we are your people. Do not deceive yourself because you encountered a people with no knowledge of war and got the better of them; for by God if we fight you, you will find that we are real men!" (Ibn Ishaq, 545)


Say to those who disbelieve: "You will be vanquished and gathered to Hell, an evil resting place. You have already had a sign in the two forces which met"; i.e. the apostle's companions at Badr and the Quraysh. "One force fought in the way of God; the other, disbelievers, thought they saw double their own force with their very eyes. God strengthens with His help whom He will. Verily in that is an example for the discerning." (Ibn Ishaq, 545; Qur'an, 3:12-13)
At this point, Mohammed began to look for pretexts to attack the Bani Qaynuqa, and when that failed, he manufactured one:


The cause of the Qaynuqa affair was that an Arab woman had come with some merchandise to the market of the Bani Qaynuqa. She sat down next to a goldsmith there. Then they began urging her to unveil her face, which she refused. The goldsmith moved close to the hem of her garment and tied it behind her back. When she got up her [privates] were exposed. They laughed at her, and she screamed. Then a Muslim jumped upon the goldsmith who was Jewish and killed him. Then the Jews overwhelmed the Muslim and killed him. The family of the slain Muslim called upon their coreligionists for help against the Jews. The Muslims were furious, and thus there was bad blood created between them and the Bani Qaynuqa. (1)

Since similar stories of such pranks appear in Arab texts before Mohammed, it's pretty likely that this was, in fact, a false story meant to justify the attack. Regardless, Mohammed would have slaughtered the Bani Qaynuqa had not one of his own followers refused to carry out the order, and threatened to withdraw his tribe from the pact, so they were banished without their property, instead.

The second Jewish tribe, the Bani Nadir, also ran afoul of Mohammed. Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf, a leader and poet of the Bani Nadir, wrote a poem that ragged on Mohammed, which enraged him. He had Ka'b assassinated, telling the killers it would be OK to lie in order to gain the confidence of their victim. (Bukhari, 5:59:369.). When Mohammed's men murdered two men of another tribe, Mohammed tried to extort some of the blood money that he owed that tribe from the Bani Nadir. After some rather confusing incidents, Mohammed fabricated an assassination plot on the part of the Bani Nadir, and issued them an ultimatum:


While we were in the mosque, Allah's Apostle came out and said, "Let us proceed to the Jews." So we went out with him till we came to Bait-al-Midras. The Prophet stood up there and called them, saying, "O assembly of Jews! Surrender to Allah (embrace Islam) and you will be safe!" They said, "You have conveyed Allah's message, O Aba-al-Qasim" Allah's Apostle then said to them, "That is what I want; embrace Islam and you will be safe." They said, "You have conveyed the message, O Aba-al-Qasim." Allah's Apostle then said to them, "That is what I want," and repeated his words for the third time and added, "Know that the earth is for Allah and I want to exile you from this land, so whoever among you has property he should sell it, otherwise, know that the land is for Allah and His Apostle." (Sahih Bukhari, 9:92:447)

At this point, Mohammed besieged the tribe, and eventually forced their surrender. Again, he was forced by his allies not to kill his captives, and settled for exile. But Mohammed's motives for the siege and exile were recounted in the Qur'an, and had nothing to do with assassination plots, real or imagined:


Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, let it declare the Praises and Glory of Allah: for He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)! And had it not been that Allah had decreed banishment for them, He would certainly have punished them in this world: And in the Hereafter they shall (certainly) have the Punishment of the Fire. That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger: and if any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment. Whether ye cut down (O ye Muslim!) The tender palm-trees, or ye left them standing on their roots, it was by leave of Allah, and in order that He might cover with shame the rebellious transgressors. (59:1-5)

Finally, Mohammed defeated the Meccans (whose caravans he had been raiding, in violation of his truce with them) at the battle of the ditch, and felt strong enough to take control of Medina, but one Jewish tribe remained. That was the Bani Qurayza. Mohammed claimed that they had planned to support the Meccan assault, but in fact, the Bani Qurayza wanted to remain neutral. It was only after the exile of two other Jewish tribes, and after strong pressure from the chief of the exiled Bani Nadir, Ka'b ibn Asad, that the Bani Qurayza considered supporting the Meccan coalition, as you pointed out. Following the surrender of the Qurayza, Mohammed beheaded 900 men and divided the women and children of the tribe up as slaves. But, even after this, Mohammed's enmity towards Jews continued. He marched against Khaybar and after defeating the Jewish tribes there, confiscated all of their wealth and imposed the first recorded jizyah on those few that he did not kill, enslave or exile. Eventually, the Caliph, Umar, drove them out of Arabia. Finally, there is this hadith:


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985; see also 41:6981-84 and Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:176,177 and 4:56:791)

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