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fettpett
06-01-2011, 04:26 PM
A CAMPAIGN BUILT ON A FOUNDATION OF FALSEHOODS & FEAR

June 1, 2011
In a web video last week, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan made clear: “Washington has not been honest with you about Medicare.” Nonpartisan, independent fact checkers agree.

The President and his party’s leaders continue to use blatant falsehoods in attacking the House Republicans’ plan to protect and save Medicare.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the new chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, is the latest leading Democrat to distort and demagogue the only plan put forward that saves Medicare. Earlier this week, Wasserman Schultz falsely stated that seniors would be denied coverage under the Republican plan. This statement has no basis in fact, as made clear by a round of fact checkers:

Politifact.com: “We rate her statement False” (Debbie Wasserman Schultz says Ryan Medicare plan would allow insurers to use pre-existing conditions as barrier to coverage – 6/1/2011)

FactCheck.org: “She is simply wrong…” (DNC Chair Throws Truth to ‘Wolves’, 5/31/2011)

The Fact Checker, Washington Post: Even an expert cited by the DNC called the comment “high-octane idiocy” (Wasserman Schultz’s bogus claim that the GOP Medicare plan will ‘throw you to the wolves’ – 6/1/2011)

Wasserman Schultz’s comments are the latest in a campaign built on a foundation of falsehoods and fear.

Factcheck.org: “President Barack Obama misrepresented the House Republicans’ budget plan” (FactChecking Obama’s Budget Speech – 4/18/2011)

Factcheck.org: “President Barack Obama has been hammering away at Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare proposal, misrepresenting what it would mean for seniors.” (Obama Misrepresents Ryan Plan – 4/22/2011)

PolitiFact.com: An attack ad by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is “a major exaggeration,” and given a “PANTS ON FIRE” rating (Democrats say Republicans voted to end Medicare and charge seniors $12,000 – 4/18/2011)

PolitiFact.com: “Charges over Medicare have kicked into high gear” (Checking the attack lines on Medicare, 4/20/2011)

The Fact Checker, Washington Post: Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius “should be ashamed” (Kathleen Sebelius’s outrageous claim that cancer patients would ‘die sooner’ under the GOP Medicare plan – 5/9/2011)

The dishonest overreach is clearly an attempt to mask what the President and leading Democrats have already done to Medicare. While they have no plan to save Medicare, the President and leading Democrats already jammed into law a plan that imposes severe disruptions for current Medicare beneficiaries. The three-step Democrat plan on Medicare:

The President and leading Democrats cut over $500 billion from Medicare, raiding Medicare to fund Obamacare;

The President and leading Democrats empowered a panel of 15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in Washington to cut Medicare, restrict access and deny benefits for current seniors;

The President and leading Democrats, by refusing to work together to save this program, are committing Medicare to a bankrupt future.

The House Republicans’ plan to save Medicare:

Stops the President’s raid on Medicare, repeals the President’s unelected Medicare board, and rejects the President’s commitment to Medicare’s bankruptcy.

Ensures no changes for those 55 or older. Seniors should not be forced to reorganize their lives because of government’s mistakes.

Offers a strengthened, personalized Medicare program that future generations can count on when they retire.Future beneficiaries would be empowered to choose from a list of guaranteed coverage options, similar to the system now enjoyed by Members of Congress, with less support for wealthy seniors and more support for those with lower incomes and greater health risks. These reforms are rooted in past bipartisan efforts to save Medicare.

By encouraging true choice and competition, our plan is to give future seniors the power to deny business to inefficient providers. By imposing price controls and rationing, their plan is to give government the power to deny care to current seniors.

With their empty promises and false attacks, the President and leading Democrats are threatening the health security of America’s seniors and the economic security of American families. The American people deserve leaders who will tell them the truth and advance solutions that save Medicare.

For more information:
http://budget.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=244091

a lot of links at the sight, but overall good read

Arroyo_Doble
06-01-2011, 04:31 PM
Ensures no changes for those 55 or older.

If these wonderful, magical, mysterious Market Forces are so appealing, why not let current seniors benefit from The Market's awesome goodness?

fettpett
06-01-2011, 04:38 PM
Ensures no changes for those 55 or older.

If these wonderful, magical, mysterious Market Forces are so appealing, why not let current seniors benefit from The Market's awesome goodness?

because it's a slow transition. They could make it so that people 55 and older can opt out of current Meidcare and go with the new plan. More choice is a good thing

Arroyo_Doble
06-01-2011, 05:38 PM
because it's a slow transition. They could make it so that people 55 and older can opt out of current Meidcare and go with the new plan. More choice is a good thing

I was just being sarcastic but look at that second sentence:


Seniors should not be forced to reorganize their lives because of government’s mistakes.


I think you would be hard pressed to find a majority of seniors that think Medicare was a mistake.

fettpett
06-01-2011, 05:45 PM
I was just being sarcastic but look at that second sentence:


Seniors should not be forced to reorganize their lives because of government’s mistakes.


I think you would be hard pressed to find a majority of seniors that think Medicare was a mistake.

ah


he was talking about Obamacare raiding Medicare and stripping of the money. Personally I would rather be able to chose my own plan than have one forced on me.

NJCardFan
06-01-2011, 05:50 PM
I have a retirement plan so I should be able to opt out of SS...like members of congress can.

Arroyo_Doble
06-01-2011, 05:52 PM
I have a retirement plan so I should be able to opt out of SS...like members of congress can.

Texas teacher retirement is like that. You cannot get social security (not even survivor benefits) if you teach in this state.

fettpett
06-01-2011, 06:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crjPmlhSYsw

Starbuck
06-01-2011, 06:50 PM
I have a retirement plan so I should be able to opt out of SS...like members of congress can.

That's a myth isn't it?:confused:

All members of the U.S. Congress pay Social Security taxes and have done so since 1984.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/do_members_of_congress_pay_social_security.html

Starbuck
06-01-2011, 07:00 PM
On the other hand Medicare is ridiculously good. I worked all my life. Worked for major companies like Tandy, 3M, Lane Furniture, and some smaller ones. Was self employed for a time and bought my own insurance.

And I never was as well insured as I am now that I am 65. I just had a fairly significant hernia operation. Had to stay in the hospital for one day. 12 staples holding me together.

Cost? Nada. Medicare part B paid for pre-test, Part A the hospital stay, and the Medigap policy I bought for $110/Mo picked up the rest.
And that, boys and girls, is why people like me wait until they are 65 to have their hernias fixed. Among other things.

Maybe a little out-of-pocket would be reasonable, I think.:rolleyes:

Odysseus
06-01-2011, 07:09 PM
I was just being sarcastic

No! Really? :cool:


but look at that second sentence:


Seniors should not be forced to reorganize their lives because of government’s mistakes.

I think you would be hard pressed to find a majority of seniors that think Medicare was a mistake.
In a few years, when the system collapses, you won't have any problem finding seniors who think that it was a mistake, assuming that you can find any at all.


Texas teacher retirement is like that. You cannot get social security (not even survivor benefits) if you teach in this state.

I wish that the DOD worked that way. I'd much rather put my Social Security payments into the Thrift Savings Plan or a Roth IRA. You do realize that the programs, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, have been looted to pay for expenditures in the general fund, and that all their "assets" consist of Treasury bonds? I.e., they have a vault full of IOUs from the same government that is now $14 trillion in debt.

MrsSmith
06-01-2011, 10:03 PM
Several years ago, my dad was hurt badly in an accident. As a Medicare patient, he received less therapy than people with private insurance. He was released from the hospital as "walking" despite the fact that he could take no more than 3 steps with a walker and an assistant. We were also informed that his treatment had reached Medicare's lifetime limit, so he was no longer covered after that release.

But I'm sure Medicare is treated exactly like private companies under Obamacare, yes? No longer allowed to have a lifetime cap on expenses? Or is it?

fettpett
06-01-2011, 10:45 PM
Several years ago, my dad was hurt badly in an accident. As a Medicare patient, he received less therapy than people with private insurance. He was released from the hospital as "walking" despite the fact that he could take no more than 3 steps with a walker and an assistant. We were also informed that his treatment had reached Medicare's lifetime limit, so he was no longer covered after that release.

But I'm sure Medicare is treated exactly like private companies under Obamacare, yes? No longer allowed to have a lifetime cap on expenses? Or is it?

there is no more money for it, Obamacare raided it