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Odysseus
06-09-2011, 06:53 PM
SEIU, Obama's favorite union, co-sponsored and participated in the Mayday parade in downtown Los Angeles. Among the other sponsors were:


Los Angeles County Federation of Labor
Full Rights for Immigrants Coalition
Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights-Los Angeles
ANSWER Coalition
Multi-ethnic Immigrant Workers Organizing Network
LIUNA (Laborers' International Union of North America)
National Day Laborer Organizing Network
COFEM (Consejo de Federaciones Mexicanas en Norteamérica)
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Students Fight Back
March Forward!
AF3IRM (Association of Filipinas, Feminists Fighting Imperialism, Re-feudalization, and Marginalization)
Alliance-Philippines
KmB Pro-People Youth


Among the photos of the event found here (http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2011/05/06/seiu-drops-mask-goes-full-commie/) and here (http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501), are these shots of the SEIU contingent being led by a member carrying a communist red banner.

http://www.ringospictures.com/photos/20110501/021.jpg

http://www.ringospictures.com/photos/20110501/023.jpg

Other photos at the site show banners with images of Che Guevara, the hammer and sickle, exhortations to destroy capitalism, advance socialism and communism. Red banners were ubiquitous.

Whenever somebody says that these guys are communists, they are very quick to throw around charges like McCarthyism and Red-Baiting, but is it okay to call someone a communist if they co-sponsor and march in a communist parade behind a communist banner, surrounded by people who openly call themselves communists? Just asking...

Arroyo_Doble
06-09-2011, 06:55 PM
You can call them green peas for all I care.

megimoo
06-09-2011, 07:01 PM
SEIU, Obama's favorite union, co-sponsored and participated in the Mayday parade in downtown Los Angeles. Among the other sponsors were:


Los Angeles County Federation of Labor
Full Rights for Immigrants Coalition
Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights-Los Angeles
ANSWER Coalition
Multi-ethnic Immigrant Workers Organizing Network
LIUNA (Laborers' International Union of North America)
National Day Laborer Organizing Network
COFEM (Consejo de Federaciones Mexicanas en Norteamérica)
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Students Fight Back
March Forward!
AF3IRM (Association of Filipinas, Feminists Fighting Imperialism, Re-feudalization, and Marginalization)
Alliance-Philippines
KmB Pro-People Youth


Among the photos of the event found here (http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2011/05/06/seiu-drops-mask-goes-full-commie/) and here (http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501), are these shots of the SEIU contingent being led by a member carrying a communist red banner.

http://www.ringospictures.com/photos/20110501/021.jpg

http://www.ringospictures.com/photos/20110501/023.jpg

Other photos at the site show banners with images of Che Guevara, the hammer and sickle, exhortations to destroy capitalism, advance socialism and communism. Red banners were ubiquitous.

Whenever somebody says that these guys are communists, they are very quick to throw around charges like McCarthyism and Red-Baiting, but is it okay to call someone a communist if they co-sponsor and march in a communist parade behind a communist banner, surrounded by people who openly call themselves communists? Just asking...

"If you sup,(Faustian bargain) with the devil you need a long spoon"that is, don't get too close to some evil people.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-09-2011, 07:16 PM
SEIU, Obama's favorite union, co-sponsored and participated in the Mayday parade in downtown Los Angeles. Among the other sponsors were:


Los Angeles County Federation of Labor
Full Rights for Immigrants Coalition
Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights-Los Angeles
ANSWER Coalition
Multi-ethnic Immigrant Workers Organizing Network
LIUNA (Laborers' International Union of North America)
National Day Laborer Organizing Network
COFEM (Consejo de Federaciones Mexicanas en Norteamérica)
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Students Fight Back
March Forward!
AF3IRM (Association of Filipinas, Feminists Fighting Imperialism, Re-feudalization, and Marginalization)
Alliance-Philippines
KmB Pro-People Youth


Among the photos of the event found here (http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2011/05/06/seiu-drops-mask-goes-full-commie/) and here (http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501), are these shots of the SEIU contingent being led by a member carrying a communist red banner.

http://www.ringospictures.com/photos/20110501/021.jpg

http://www.ringospictures.com/photos/20110501/023.jpg

Other photos at the site show banners with images of Che Guevara, the hammer and sickle, exhortations to destroy capitalism, advance socialism and communism. Red banners were ubiquitous.

Whenever somebody says that these guys are communists, they are very quick to throw around charges like McCarthyism and Red-Baiting, but is it okay to call someone a communist if they co-sponsor and march in a communist parade behind a communist banner, surrounded by people who openly call themselves communists? Just asking...

Too bad you just can't lock 'em all in a prison camp, eh? Their being able to openly march, and talk to the President, must really bother you.

Rockntractor
06-09-2011, 07:41 PM
Too bad you just can't lock 'em all in a prison camp, eh? Their being able to openly march, and talk to the President, must really bother you.

I think we are losing you.

CueSi
06-09-2011, 08:10 PM
Too bad you just can't lock 'em all in a prison camp, eh? Their being able to openly march, and talk to the President, must really bother you.

http://webservice.imagesauce.net/image/131882/400x.jpg

~QC

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-09-2011, 08:34 PM
I think we are losing you.

Possibly, although, my girlfriend got me hooked on the idea that public education shouldn't exist. Had an interesting discussion with her--she was at my house when I wrote the Great Society thread. She put forth a very good argument as to why public education shouldn't exist. Essentially she said that if you are a parent of a child in a parochial school, you shouldn't have to pay taxes relating to pubic education funding, and that parents who send their children to public schools should pay for it--an amount around 300$.

She also argued that jobs being "off the books" should be more closely investigated and that a person should only be able to collect welfare for six months and they should while on it be given some kind of community service job.

She also agrees with the idea of eugenics in theory, however---that certain people--really only drug users--shouldn't be allowed to have children as their drug use could damage the child in utero, and out of the womb.

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2011, 09:21 PM
Socialist/Communist organizations share some (not all) common goals with Labor Unions. They are both focused on workers' rights. It doesn't mean they are the same. Why are you using "communist" as an insult? Clearly the people who support communism or who are anti-capitalism are open about saying it, as your pictures show. There is no need to conflate groups just because they attend the same rallies.

There are conservative groups and border enforcement groups such as the Minute Men who attend and march in anti-immigration rallies, and there are also Neo-Nazi's and white supremicists who attend and march in those rallies. They may share one or two things in common, but it's a major fallacy to equate their ideologies because of that.

BadCat
06-09-2011, 09:24 PM
I think we are losing you.

I'd like to lose him.

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2011, 09:28 PM
Possibly, although, my girlfriend got me hooked on the idea that public education shouldn't exist. Had an interesting discussion with her--she was at my house when I wrote the Great Society thread. She put forth a very good argument as to why public education shouldn't exist. Essentially she said that if you are a parent of a child in a parochial school, you shouldn't have to pay taxes relating to pubic education funding, and that parents who send their children to public schools should pay for it--an amount around 300$.

That implies that taxes should only be used for things you personally consume. That's not what taxes have ever been used for. Taxes are used for common social goals. If someone buys a gun to protect their home, they can't stop paying for the police with their taxes.

You shouldn't think of paying taxes the same way you think of purchasing a good, it is not the same. This is a fallacy that I see all the time on issues of taxation, the idea that paying taxes is the same as purchasing a good. My taxes go towards maintaining highways that I never drive on, that's just how taxes work. That's how they've always worked, that's how they are meant to work.

Should I be able to specify that I don't want my taxes going to fund wars that I don't support? If your answer is yes, then you are basically saying the entire tax system is worthless, because taxes and government services cannot function like a marketplace. Some people might agree with that assessment, but I suspect you do not.




She also argued that jobs being "off the books" should be more closely investigated and that a person should only be able to collect welfare for six months and they should while on it be given some kind of community service job.

I agree with community service as part of collecting government benefits.


She also agrees with the idea of eugenics in theory, however---that certain people--really only drug users--shouldn't be allowed to have children as their drug use could damage the child in utero, and out of the womb.

Eugenics is insane, very morally questionable, and expensive. We could use the same money and put it towards treating drug addiction (and I mean rehabilitation, not throwing people in a hellhole prison so that they become worse in the end). It would be cheaper and extremely effective, lower addiction and crime rates, and protect children.

JB
06-09-2011, 09:31 PM
There are conservative groups and border enforcement groups such as the Minute Men who attend and march in anti-immigration ralliesAnti-illegal immigration.

Why do you commies always leave that part off?

JB
06-09-2011, 09:33 PM
AF3IRM (Association of Filipinas, Feminists Fighting Imperialism, Re-feudalization, and Marginalization)
This one is definitely my favorite.

Re-feudalization??? Couldn't they come up with a better "R" than that? :D

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2011, 09:38 PM
Anti-illegal immigration.

Why do you commies always leave that part off?

The Minute Men, the Republican Party, and Neo-Nazi's all agree that it is extremely important for America to focus on illegal immigration and all agree that the solution mostly relies on INCREASED ENFORCEMENT and CLOSING THE BORDER. Many in all of these groups are in favor of putting armed troops on the border.

They all agree on this, and they often show up to the same rallies, but it is NOT at all fair to say they are the same.

I am not saying that neo-nazi's are analogous to communists, either, but I think this example will resonate with conservatives and demonstrate that just because people show up to the same parade or protest doesn't mean they share the same ideology.

BadCat
06-09-2011, 10:09 PM
These are liberals. They ALL agree with one another.

Hawkgirl
06-09-2011, 10:15 PM
The mob mentality. Coulter breaks it down.

NJCardFan
06-09-2011, 10:54 PM
There are conservative groups and border enforcement groups such as the Minute Men who attend and march in anti-immigration rallies, and there are also Neo-Nazi's and white supremicists who attend and march in those rallies. They may share one or two things in common, but it's a major fallacy to equate their ideologies because of that.

2 things: Provide pics of these rallies/groups marching together or stop lying and #2, how many of those groups you mentioned have or had the president's ear. I'll wait.

lacarnut
06-09-2011, 11:41 PM
Too bad you just can't lock 'em all in a prison camp, eh? Their being able to openly march, and talk to the President, must really bother you.

Just gas them and get it over with. :rolleyes:

Bailey
06-09-2011, 11:44 PM
You can call them green peas for all I care.

I just saw the latest episode of south park where stan turned 10 and everything he saw and listened to sounded looked like shit, he went to the doctor and he said stan was a cynical asshole and everything was shit. As soon as that happened I thought of you dobbie and you fit him to a Tee.

Odysseus
06-09-2011, 11:49 PM
Too bad you just can't lock 'em all in a prison camp, eh? Their being able to openly march, and talk to the President, must really bother you.
I have no intention of locking them up, although if they had the opportunity, they'd lock me up in a heartbeat. Totalitarians are like that. Too bad, you showed some promise when you first came here. Now, you're sounding like another stooge.

Socialist/Communist organizations share some (not all) common goals with Labor Unions. They are both focused on workers' rights. It doesn't mean they are the same. Why are you using "communist" as an insult? Clearly the people who support communism or who are anti-capitalism are open about saying it, as your pictures show. There is no need to conflate groups just because they attend the same rallies.
Well, if by workers' rights, you mean forcing them to join cartels that restrict the terms under which they can seek employment, fleece them for dues that are used to perpetuate the rule of the party that the union heads hobnob with, and otherwise destroy their liberties, then you'd be correct. I use communist as an insult because someone who seeks to impose totalitarian rule through violence is worthy of insult.


There are conservative groups and border enforcement groups such as the Minute Men who attend and march in anti-immigration rallies, and there are also Neo-Nazi's and white supremicists who attend and march in those rallies. They may share one or two things in common, but it's a major fallacy to equate their ideologies because of that.
If this were so, then you would have pics of them together with mainstream conservative groups. You don't.

The Minute Men, the Republican Party, and Neo-Nazi's all agree that it is extremely important for America to focus on illegal immigration and all agree that the solution mostly relies on INCREASED ENFORCEMENT and CLOSING THE BORDER. Many in all of these groups are in favor of putting armed troops on the border.
They also all tend to wear pants. Does that mean that anyone who isn't a Nazi should wear a kilt to differentiate from them?


They all agree on this, and they often show up to the same rallies, but it is NOT at all fair to say they are the same.
There are two falsehoods here. First, Neo-Nazis do not show up at conservative rallies, because they know that they would be bounced. OTOH, communists, socialists and other extremists do show up at Democratic party events, as do racists like Al Sharpton, and no one says anything about it. And, you guys do equate conservatives with Neo-Nazis (and just plain Nazis) whenever you think that you can get away with it, like just now.


I am not saying that neo-nazi's are analogous to communists, either, but I think this example will resonate with conservatives and demonstrate that just because people show up to the same parade or protest doesn't mean they share the same ideology.
I'll say it, then. Neo-Nazis are analogous to communists. They share a desire to impose totalitarian ideologies through violent overthrow of democratic orders. The also tend to hate the same people (Jews, for instance), and love the same people (dictators).

2 things: Provide pics of these rallies/groups marching together or stop lying and #2, how many of those groups you mentioned have or had the president's ear. I'll wait.

You'll have a long wait. Wei won't produce any. But it's interesting that on the one hand, he demands to know why we consider communist an insult, yet on the other, refuses to admit that SEIU is a communist group. Why won't he admit that they are communists? Is it that he knows that communism is anathema to most people, and that it can only be advanced by stealth?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-10-2011, 12:13 AM
Just gas them and get it over with. :rolleyes:

You can only keep wishing. I bet Beck whacks off to that kinda fantasy at night too.

Bailey
06-10-2011, 12:26 AM
You can only keep wishing. I bet Beck whacks off to that kinda fantasy at night too.

Oh for the love of God Mr Literal :rolleyes:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-10-2011, 12:29 AM
Oh for the love of God Mr Literal :rolleyes:

Hey, I'm not the only one who thinks the opposition is literally evil. That's your side of the fence.

Bailey
06-10-2011, 12:32 AM
Hey, I'm not the only one who thinks the opposition is literally evil. That's your side of the fence.

He's joking you dimwit, oh and btw the opposition is evil I just don't believe in gassing them....yet. :cool:

Wei Wu Wei
06-10-2011, 02:31 AM
2 things: Provide pics of these rallies/groups marching together or stop lying and #2, how many of those groups you mentioned have or had the president's ear. I'll wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--e0NFcnbb8

here's some Minute Men protesting along side the American Third Position (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Third_Position_Party)

They are a White Nationalist group and their homepage features videos of speakers from the Tea Party rallies: http://american3p.org/category/american-voice/

The party Director of the American Third Position has written several anti-Semitic articles,a few of which are titled:

Understanding Jewish Influence I: Background Traits for Jewish Activism.
Understanding Jewish Influence II: Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism.
Understanding Jewish Influence III: Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement.


They were at an immigration protest with the Minute Men and they were at the Tax Day Tea Party rally and happily display those tea party videos on their front page.

That doesn't mean the Minute Men are a White Nationalist organization, does it?

That doesn't mean the Tea Party is a White Nationalist organization, does it?


edit:

They actually seem very active with Tea Party rallies: http://american3p.org/american-voice/a3p-activists-join-tax-protests-across-the-nation/


A3P activist Josh Bates and his wife joined thousands of Georgians and South Carolinians at the Augusta Tea Party, where they spoke with scores of attendees and passed out hundreds of party fliers.

Recounting the successful nature of his outreach effort, Josh said, “One of the last people I spoke to was a man from South Carolina who, after hearing what I had to say about the A3P, stated he would like to get something started in South Carolina. We exchanged information, and I hope to be in touch with him soon to help him get started.”

He continued, “After all was said and done, I had given out all of my literature and still had swarms of people asking for more information on the party. I ended up having to write our website and contact information on sheets of paper from my notebook to give out, due to the demand. All in all, it was a great evening. My wife and I got to meet a lot of people who are enthusiastic about the A3P cause, and I have already received numerous emails from some of the people I spoke with.”

Sounds like lots of successful recruitment there too.

lacarnut
06-10-2011, 02:55 AM
You can only keep wishing. I bet Beck whacks off to that kinda fantasy at night too.

would have to think of another way such as sodium pentothal...would not want liberals to suffer any discomfort.

noonwitch
06-10-2011, 12:00 PM
I'm kind of relieved that my union isn't involved (UAW).

Odysseus
06-10-2011, 12:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--e0NFcnbb8

here's some Minute Men protesting along side the American Third Position (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Third_Position_Party)
How can you tell that they are Third Position members? I heard the voice over of the camera claiming that they were, but I didn't hear anyone admit to it or see anything that identified them as such. Could you cite the point in the video where someone who isn't the narrater could confirm this, or is it just more BS?


They are a White Nationalist group and their homepage features videos of speakers from the Tea Party rallies: http://american3p.org/category/american-voice/

The party Director of the American Third Position has written several anti-Semitic articles,a few of which are titled:


They were at an immigration protest with the Minute Men and they were at the Tax Day Tea Party rally and happily display those tea party videos on their front page.

That doesn't mean the Minute Men are a White Nationalist organization, does it?

That doesn't mean the Tea Party is a White Nationalist organization, does it?

edit:

They actually seem very active with Tea Party rallies: http://american3p.org/american-voice/a3p-activists-join-tax-protests-across-the-nation/

Sounds like lots of successful recruitment there too.
Sounds like they are trying to make it seem that way. But if they had shown up at a Tea Party event, where are the photos? It's not like the left hasn't tried to tie the Tea Party in with fringe groups before. They've even sent agent provocateurs into rallies with signs that were meant to present a false impression. This looks like more of the same to me.

Wei Wu Wei
06-10-2011, 01:12 PM
How can you tell that they are Third Position members? I heard the voice over of the camera claiming that they were, but I didn't hear anyone admit to it or see anything that identified them as such. Could you cite the point in the video where someone who isn't the narrater could confirm this, or is it just more BS?


Sounds like they are trying to make it seem that way. But if they had shown up at a Tea Party event, where are the photos? It's not like the left hasn't tried to tie the Tea Party in with fringe groups before. They've even sent agent provocateurs into rallies with signs that were meant to present a false impression. This looks like more of the same to me.

lol you are trying so hard.

There is Tea Party stuff all over the Third Position website, including photos:

http://i.imgur.com/rXQXr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jx3hE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AmiIR.jpg

In fact here is a video of the Chairman of the American Third Position, William D. Johnson, speaking at a Tea Party rally (notice the giant banner behind him).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4uMHaVHTu8

But I guess this all must just be secret leftists infiltrating everything and working behind the scenes really hard to make people look bad :rolleyes:

conservativegramma
06-10-2011, 01:27 PM
Whenever somebody says that these guys are communists, they are very quick to throw around charges like McCarthyism and Red-Baiting, but is it okay to call someone a communist if they co-sponsor and march in a communist parade behind a communist banner, surrounded by people who openly call themselves communists? Just asking.

I say go for it. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, safe to say its probably a duck.

Odysseus
06-10-2011, 03:51 PM
lol you are trying so hard.
Not as hard as you are. You've found one obscure extremist group that managed to infiltrate a single Tea Party event. I guarantee that they won't be welcome at future ones. The equivalence of this on Mayday would have been if SEIU held a labor rally, and a group of communists who had hidden the worst parts of their agenda had shown up and then raised their flags when the cameras were on. But that isn't what happened. SEIU knew that they were co-sponsoring the Mayday event, which is a communist version of the Thanksgiving Day Parade, except that instead of giving thanks, they try to drum up resentment. They knowingly associated with communists, planned it out in advance and allowed themselves to be led behind a red banner. There's nothing to indicate that the Tea Partiers knew who Johnson was, since he was simply introduced as a local attorney, and his entire speech was about fiscal issues.


But I guess this all must just be secret leftists infiltrating everything and working behind the scenes really hard to make people look bad :rolleyes:

No, it's just a small fringe group that is trying to piggyback on the tea party's successes. They are helped by the fact that their name doesn't actually imply anything about their racism, and that they present a fake front of moderation at the event that they attended. I'd never even heard of them until this thread. OTOH, ANSWER has been around since the beginning of the war, and is not shy about its communism. Now, apparently, SEIU isn't, either.

Wei Wu Wei
06-10-2011, 04:48 PM
Split hairs all you want buddy, just because groups attend the same events doesn't mean they share the same ideology. This is true even if they have common interests whether they are closing the border or better workers' rights.

Also these socialist groups are not "extremists", if you go to their sites you will see they have reasonable goals and wishes like equality, justice and they are totally opposed to racism or anti-semitism. A3p is an openly racist anti-Semitic group. You may disagree with some of the socialists' perspectives or solutions, but they are not hate groups

Calling someone a communist isn't an insult but it is a false equivalence. Anti-capitalists have no qualms about their views, so reserve that label for people who actually hold that view. Painting with a broad brush is for the intellectually lazy.

Odysseus
06-10-2011, 07:59 PM
Split hairs all you want buddy, just because groups attend the same events doesn't mean they share the same ideology. This is true even if they have common interests whether they are closing the border or better workers' rights.

Bull. You are equating an event run by people that didn't even know that this fringe group was there or what they stood for, with a large group that co-sponsored an event, and knew exactly who it was associating with. It's a cheap tactic, and it won't work.


Also these socialist groups are not "extremists", if you go to their sites you will see they have reasonable goals and wishes like equality, justice and they are totally opposed to racism or anti-semitism. A3p is an openly racist anti-Semitic group. You may disagree with some of the socialists' perspectives or solutions, but they are not hate groups
Sure, they are... They want equality, except that the equality that they want is the equal proliferation of poverty for everyone but themselves. They want justice, if you define justice as the elimination of anyone who dissents from the party line. They oppose racism, except when they support racist groups like Hamas, Hezb'ollah and al Qaeda, or racist regimes, like Cuba, or put up posters of Che Guevara, who, in addition to having been a mass-murderer, was also a virulent racist. Some choice quotes from the Motocycle Diaries:


"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese."

"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."

"The episode upset us a little because the poor man, apart from being homosexual and a first-rate bore, had been very nice to us, giving us 10 soles each, bringing our total to 479 for me and 163 1/2 to Alberto."

"The first person we hit on was the mayor, someone called Cohen; we had heard a lot about him, that he was Jewish as far as money was concerned but a good sort."

And that's nothing compared to Marx's racism and anti-semitism:


"Take Amsterdam, for instance, a city harboring many of the worst descendants of the Jews whom Ferdinand and Isabella drove out of Spain and who, after lingering a while in Portugal, were driven out of there too and eventually found a place of retreat in Holland ..., Here and there and everywhere that a little capital courts investment, there is ever one of these little Jews ready to make a little suggestion or place a little bit of loan. The smartest highwayman in the Abruzzi is not better posted about the locale of the hard cash in a traveller's valise or pocket than these little Jews about any loose capital in the hands of a trader...

"Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every Pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets ... The fact that 1,855 years ago Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money changers of our age, enlisted on the side of tyranny, again happen to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence."

"... it is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a n*****. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also n*****-like."
July 1862 letter to Engels, in reference to his socialist political competitor, Ferdinand Lassalle.

Engels was also a bigot. In1887, he described Marx's son-in-law, Paul Lafargue, as having "one-eighth or one-twelfth n***** blood." In an April 1887 letter to Lafargue's wife, Engels wrote, "Being in his quality as a n*****, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district." The district that he was a candidate for had a zoo, you see.

Today, of course, leftist racism and antisemitism is seen in their hatred of Israel and embrace Islamist radicalism, which is virulently racist.

If they weren't extremists, then they wouldn't hide their agenda behind lies and euphemisms.


Calling someone a communist isn't an insult but it is a false equivalence. Anti-capitalists have no qualms about their views, so reserve that label for people who actually hold that view. Painting with a broad brush is for the intellectually lazy.

When you call someone a communist, you are calling them a shill for mass murder, and apologist for famine and an advocate of universal slavery. It is an insult, which is why communists refuse to allow themselves to be known by the term.

Rockntractor
06-10-2011, 08:20 PM
When you call someone a communist, you are calling them a shill for mass murder, and apologist for famine and an advocate of universal slavery. It is an insult, which is why communists refuse to allow themselves to be known by the term.

You gotta love it, Wieble is merely an anti-capitalist now.
No matter what you call it you know what it is when you step in it!

AmPat
06-10-2011, 10:17 PM
You can only keep wishing. I bet Beck whacks off to that kinda fantasy at night too.

Go back to Dumb Underground and drink some more Kool Aid.