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InspiredHome
06-07-2008, 10:08 PM
Is anyone here voting Constitution Party? I recently changed allegiances from GOP to the CP although I am still torn as whether to vote my principles or to vote against Obama by voting for McCain. One of the main reasons I changed is due to my study of originalism and I had a slight crisis of conscience especially after being disgusted with the direction the GOP has gone lately. It also frightens me to find myself in the same camp as the Rounulans. :eek:

(formerly MrsFerret)

everyman68
06-07-2008, 10:11 PM
Is anyone here voting Constitution Party? I recently changed allegiances from GOP to the CP although I am still torn as whether to vote my principles or to vote against Obama by voting for McCain. One of the main reasons I changed is due to my study of originalism and I had a slight crisis of conscience especially after being disgusted with the direction the GOP has gone lately. It also frightens me to find myself in the same camp as the Rounulans. :eek:

(formerly MrsFerret)


If you don't want Obama to win you should vote for McCain. This election is too close to fool around. I would say the same thing to an Obama supporter.

gator
06-07-2008, 10:25 PM
The Constitution Party is a good alternative:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

Chuck58
06-07-2008, 11:57 PM
I've considered the Constitution Party. Today, I learned that former Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia is the Libertarian candidate. I'm not a huge fan of the Libertarian Party, but I like Barr.

For those of us who are NRA members, he's also on the Board of Directors so we know where he stands on gun control. I've only begun reading his stance on other issues, so I'm not advocating him just mentioning him as another alternative.

BTW, I'm not a new member. I had around 2000 posts on the old board. I had to re-register.

du freeper
06-08-2008, 02:05 AM
I know for fact I won't vote for McCain or Osama. I was going to do a write in, but thanks for the information on the Constitution Party. That may be my alternative.

du freeper
06-08-2008, 02:11 AM
You know, the sad fact is that we could have the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan running in a third party but the die-hard Republicans would vote for a crap candidate like McCain because he is on the Republican ticket.

The GOP have us trained like dogs to vote for whatever candidate they feed us because they know we are sheep. Screw the lesser of two evils! Yeah, yeah, I know, SCOTUS is the reason to vote for McCain. You hear pavlovs bell ringing in your ear?

Constitutionally Speaking
06-08-2008, 06:59 AM
I have always been a big fan of the Constitution Party, and have given them money quite frequently. But I cannot let my country commit suicide with Obama.


Patience is the key - we conservatives got lazy and the Republicans got comfortable, but the answer is NOT to throw the Republicans out. It is simply too hard to displace a sitting congressperson and giving that many seats to the Dems would not "save" the party, it would doom the country.


We can say goodbye to property rights, gun rights, freedom of speech and religion, we can kiss our economy goodbye and there will be NO getting it back. The Democrats these days are MARXISTS. The nuts and hard core leftists CONTROL the party. These are not the Democrats we grew up disagreeing with. They are the hard core socialists . These are - DU like people and they HATE anything that stands in their way. They are the Daily KOS and Huffington post people that CELEBRATE the death of those they disagree with. They ADMIRE dictators like Hugo Chaves who jails his opposition and shuts down dissenting papers, radio and television stations and even has his thugs KILL dissenters.

THIS is their model. If they gain power - that is the road we are going down.


I have not even started on the way they would deal with Islamic terrorists.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-08-2008, 07:15 AM
You know, the sad fact is that we could have the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan running in a third party but the die-hard Republicans would vote for a crap candidate like McCain because he is on the Republican ticket.

The GOP have us trained like dogs to vote for whatever candidate they feed us because they know we are sheep. Screw the lesser of two evils! Yeah, yeah, I know, SCOTUS is the reason to vote for McCain. You hear pavlovs bell ringing in your ear?


Make no mistake. The media picked our candidate by marginalizing the good ones.

gator
06-08-2008, 07:29 AM
I have always been a big fan of the Constitution Party, and have given them money quite frequently. But I cannot let my country commit suicide with Obama.





Our country is commiting suicide with McCain, only a littler slower.

du freeper
06-08-2008, 07:50 AM
Make no mistake. The media picked our candidate by marginalizing the good ones.

Whether it was a clever ploy or ironic circumstance, a true conservative should have won, but there were too many on the playing field at the beginning of primaries. The early States votes got split between three or four conservatives. This diluted the conservative vote while the moderate vote started to isolate around mccain. By the time it was just huckabee and mccain it was already a foregone conclusion.

LibraryLady
06-08-2008, 08:35 AM
I just don't think there are that many "true Conservatives" any longer. I doubt very seriously that I or any member of my family would move into a "new" party. Some of the things that are so vital to "true conservatives" are not on our list. jmho

Constitutionally Speaking
06-08-2008, 10:28 AM
Our country is commiting suicide with McCain, only a littler slower.


I agree, but having him in office instead of Obama will buy us conservatives time to regroup and save this country.


We desperately need the time. McCain, as flawed as he is, will give us a lot more time than Obama.

FeebMaster
06-08-2008, 10:36 AM
I agree, but having him in office instead of Obama will buy us conservatives time to regroup and save this country.


We desperately need the time. McCain, as flawed as he is, will give us a lot more time than Obama.

More than likely the conservatives will sit around for four to eight years while McCain spends like a drunken sailor, prints money like it's free, and possibly makes a token tax cut.

Then next election, we'll be right back where we are. With the conservatives begging people to vote for their guy to buy some time cause the Democrat will omg destroy the country in four years.

Wait a minute. This all sounds familiar. I think I'm having a flashback to previous elections.

Nice system you guys have going there.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-08-2008, 10:47 AM
More than likely the conservatives will sit around for four to eight years while McCain spends like a drunken sailor, prints money like it's free, and possibly makes a token tax cut.

Then next election, we'll be right back where we are. With the conservatives begging people to vote for their guy to buy some time cause the Democrat will omg destroy the country in four years.

Wait a minute. This all sounds familiar. I think I'm having a flashback to previous elections.

Nice system you guys have going there.


You might be right, but right now I don't see as we have a real alternative option. If we DO elect McCain, we damned well better start holding our representatives feet to the fire. We have not done that, no argument. The alternative however is to have absolutely NO ability to stop the slide and once we have crossed the Rubicon, we are done for as a free country. I can see the river banks from here, we must stall while we still can, and then we NEED to elect real conservatives.

gator
06-08-2008, 10:48 AM
I agree, but having him in office instead of Obama will buy us conservatives time to regroup and save this country.


We desperately need the time. McCain, as flawed as he is, will give us a lot more time than Obama.


Things got worse under the big government administration of Bush and it will get worse under McCain.

McCain will continue with increased spending. The deficit will also increase. The government will continue to take out a third of the GNP or more. The looming 56 trillion dollar entitlement debt is still out there. We will continue to intervene all over the world.

Just because that is a slightly slower rate than what would happen under Obama is not acceptable.

It has taken me a long time to understand that the Republicans are just as much of a threat to Republic as the Democrats. Both parties do the same destructive things to our country.

We will not regroup under McCain any more than we regrouped under Bush.

Spending went up a trillion dollars a year under Bush. I suspect it will go up another trillion dollars a year under McCain. The damage that will be done with the trillion dollar a year increase will be almost as destructive as the damage done by Obama's 1.5 trillion a year increase. The real damage can not be measured in the .5 trillion dollar a year difference but in the fact we will continue the out of control spiral.

For instance, if you are in the mode of spending more money than you make each month and spending most of it on wasteful stuff hen it doesn't mean much if you are in debt $10000 or $15000 does it? What means the most is that you are still spending more than you make and you are still wasting the money. Until you fix the structural problem you are still pretty much screwed, right?

McCain will do nothing to fix the problem. He doesn’t even understand the problem. Couple that with the fact he is notorious on compromising with the Democrats and you have a recipe for disaster. The same as with Obama.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-08-2008, 10:51 AM
Things got worse under the big government administration of Bush and it will get worse under McCain.

Just because that is a slightly slower rate than what would happen under Obama is not acceptable..


I agree, but right now we simply have no realistic alternative to stop the train. We need the time to put in place real conservatives, and Obama will not give us the time. McCain will.

FeebMaster
06-08-2008, 11:28 AM
I agree, but right now we simply have no realistic alternative to stop the train. We need the time to put in place real conservatives, and Obama will not give us the time. McCain will.

You're fooling yourself if you think McCain is going to buy you any time.

Also, you've had many a year to put real conservatives, whatever that means, into government. What makes you think another four to eight years is going to make any difference?

Constitutionally Speaking
06-08-2008, 11:31 AM
You're fooling yourself if you think McCain is going to buy you any time.

Also, you've had many a year to put real conservatives, whatever that means, into government. What makes you think another four to eight years is going to make any difference?


Getting people like you to vote would help!!!!

FeebMaster
06-08-2008, 11:39 AM
Getting people like you to vote would help!!!!

Not really. Even assuming you could find someone I'd consider voting for, he'd be so repulsive to such a massive percentage of the population that even thinking about running would be laughable.

Plus, half the people who might vote for him would stay home anyway because they probably have a moral objection to enforcing their views on others through voting, cutting his potential voters down to about twenty.

Plus he probably wouldn't want the job.

gator
06-08-2008, 11:43 AM
I agree, but right now we simply have no realistic alternative to stop the train. We need the time to put in place real conservatives, and Obama will not give us the time. McCain will.

Again, I disagree that Mccain will buy us anything of substance. All it will do is solidify the big government NeoCons. We didn't get an improvement after Bush. All we got is another NeoCon successor.

I understand you trying to rationalize this election out as the lesser of two evils. I am sure that sounds reasonable to you. It would have to me had I not come to the realization that we need major change to restore the Republic and the Constitution, not just the same old crap at a little less rate.

Goldwater
06-08-2008, 11:49 AM
America needs a Thatcher.

CLibertarian
06-08-2008, 11:57 AM
If you don't want Obama to win you should vote for McCain. This election is too close to fool around. I would say the same thing to an Obama supporter.

Since my state is almost assured to go to McCain, I can vote third party wth little chance of helping to elect a marxist commie like Obama. he electoral votes for IN haven't gone to a Democrat since JFK in 1960 and even then, it was such a razor thin margin that Nixon could have contested it with little doubt wrt justification. There were also plenty of stories that the Chicago Dems found a way to make the deceased vote Dem in Indiana too--especially close to the Chicago area.

IanMartins
06-08-2008, 12:03 PM
Always vote on principle. While its not realistic to believe that a third party candidate will be elected to office, it does show the GOP that it can't take right-wing voters for granted. As long as they get away with that, they'll have everything to gain from appealing to more liberal voters in the future. Show them that there's votes to gain by moving back towards the right. In a sense it'll be a victory for right-wing voters if McCain doesn't win this election -- if he does, he may set the standard for future liberal GOP candidates. If he doesn't, you may be able to vote for a true GOP republican in 2012. You'll never accomplish anything if all you do is hold your nose and vote for a lesser evil in every election. The long-term effects must take precedence over the short-term ones.

Vepr
06-08-2008, 12:45 PM
As painful as it might be it could be time for the Republican party to take an ass whipping. Maybe, just maybe they will wake up and stop selling out at every turn. Sometimes short term pain is necessary for long term gain. Vote all the rotten SOB's out and start from scratch with real conservatives.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-08-2008, 12:45 PM
Always vote on principle. While its not realistic to believe that a third party candidate will be elected to office, it does show the GOP that it can't take right-wing voters for granted. As long as they get away with that, they'll have everything to gain from appealing to more liberal voters in the future. Show them that there's votes to gain by moving back towards the right. In a sense it'll be a victory for right-wing voters if McCain doesn't win this election -- if he does, he may set the standard for future liberal GOP candidates. If he doesn't, you may be able to vote for a true GOP republican in 2012. You'll never accomplish anything if all you do is hold your nose and vote for a lesser evil in every election. The long-term effects must take precedence over the short-term ones.


In the mean time, we will slip irretrievably into a COMPLETE socialist society.

Vepr
06-08-2008, 12:55 PM
In the mean time, we will slip irretrievably into a COMPLETE socialist society.

I can see both sides of it but I always vote for who I think would be the best representative for the country. If you keep voting the same party in regardless of their behavior in office you get exactly what we have seen the last 8 years from republicans. Pretty soon the only difference will be the name of the party. As it is they are pretty much different sides of the same coin.

We might just need to reboot the entire system with a revolution. Unfortunately I don't think we have it in us anymore. :(

gator
06-08-2008, 01:59 PM
Since my state is almost assured to go to McCain, I can vote third party wth little chance of helping to elect a marxist commie like Obama.

Just remember that there is a large Black population in your state. They will vote for Obama by a rate of 90%+. They will turn out in record numbers to vote and you may be surprised at how close it will be some of the so called "safe" southern states.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-09-2008, 06:41 AM
Again, I disagree that Mccain will buy us anything of substance. All it will do is solidify the big government NeoCons. We didn't get an improvement after Bush. All we got is another NeoCon successor.

I understand you trying to rationalize this election out as the lesser of two evils. I am sure that sounds reasonable to you. It would have to me had I not come to the realization that we need major change to restore the Republic and the Constitution, not just the same old crap at a little less rate.


You are right it is a lesser of two evils thing with me, but I see the consequences of the bigger evil as being FAR too great.

I don't think we will recover.

McCain will give us time IF WE DO OUR PART, to strengthen the conservatives - starting with the state level reps - to get real conservatives in. That means we turn out in the primaries and support the conservative candidates in every way.

Far too often we settle for the incumbant RINOs instead of getting rid of them when we can without the major consequence of losing our US representatives.


The Liberals did not take over the country all at once. The KNEW that people would need to gradually be indoctinated and then hooked on the government programs. If they moved too fast, they would not get re-elected and their movement would die.

We need the same approach - WITH DISCIPLINE. We need to weed out the libs in our own party and gradually get people weened off the govt. tit. Moving too fast will shock the system of those dependent and they will go for the easy way out. The Dems will agitate and demonize us to an audience that will be very receptive to their message of hate. If however, we get people used to fending for themselves they will see how vastly better their lives are and will not be as susceptible to the democratic lies. But again, we must be disciplined and vigilant. Far too often in the past, we elect a decent group and then simply assume things will work out. That is not how it works. They get Washingtonized and fall in love with the power. It is our job to keep that from happening and replace those who do fall - in the PRIMARIES when the consequences of a loss are not so great. It is a decades long process of ever vigilant pressure on our own party to move toward the Constitution and away from socialism.

gator
06-09-2008, 10:04 AM
You are right it is a lesser of two evils thing with me, but I see the consequences of the bigger evil as being FAR too great.

I don't think we will recover.

McCain will give us time IF WE DO OUR PART, to strengthen the conservatives - starting with the state level reps - to get real conservatives in. That means we turn out in the primaries and support the conservative candidates in every way.

Far too often we settle for the incumbant RINOs instead of getting rid of them when we can without the major consequence of losing our US representatives.


The Liberals did not take over the country all at once. The KNEW that people would need to gradually be indoctinated and then hooked on the government programs. If they moved too fast, they would not get re-elected and their movement would die.

We need the same approach - WITH DISCIPLINE. We need to weed out the libs in our own party and gradually get people weened off the govt. tit. Moving too fast will shock the system of those dependent and they will go for the easy way out. The Dems will agitate and demonize us to an audience that will be very receptive to their message of hate. If however, we get people used to fending for themselves they will see how vastly better their lives are and will not be as susceptible to the democratic lies. But again, we must be disciplined and vigilant. Far too often in the past, we elect a decent group and then simply assume things will work out. That is not how it works. They get Washingtonized and fall in love with the power. It is our job to keep that from happening and replace those who do fall - in the PRIMARIES when the consequences of a loss are not so great. It is a decades long process of ever vigilant pressure on our own party to move toward the Constitution and away from socialism.

I feel you are close to accepting the truth. I'll keep working on you. It took me awhile to understand what was really going on. I was in NeoCon denial for a long time.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-09-2008, 09:07 PM
I feel you are close to accepting the truth. I'll keep working on you. It took me awhile to understand what was really going on. I was in NeoCon denial for a long time.


I think we are in complete agreement EXCEPT on the amount of damage that Obama will do. I don't think we can recover from 4 years of him.

gator
06-09-2008, 09:35 PM
I think we are in complete agreement EXCEPT on the amount of damage that Obama will do. I don't think we can recover from 4 years of him.

What have I said that makes you think I don't think Obama will do a lot of damage? He will will be like Carter on steriods.

Goldwater
06-09-2008, 10:05 PM
What have I said that makes you think I don't think Obama will do a lot of damage? He will will be like Carter on steriods.

Isn't that a good thing? Reagan had so much power because of how bad Carter was. Seems you just need to nominate someone who will actually shrink government instead of talking about it, and there are a lot of those around these days.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-10-2008, 06:46 PM
Isn't that a good thing? Reagan had so much power because of how bad Carter was. Seems you just need to nominate someone who will actually shrink government instead of talking about it, and there are a lot of those around these days.

If the country did not take so much damage it might be, but the fact of the matter is that we STILL are suffering from the damage Carter did to this country.

The whole issue with radical islams rise can be laid, to a large degree, at Carter's feet.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-10-2008, 07:12 PM
What have I said that makes you think I don't think Obama will do a lot of damage? He will will be like Carter on steriods.


It's just that it seems that even consequences of an Obama Presidency is not enough for you to vote for McCain. Obama's policies, in my opinion, will prevent us from EVER being able to have a real conservative govt.

We simply won't have the rights and freedoms required to counter the state.

talleyJudy
06-10-2008, 07:15 PM
I would love to vote for 'an alternative, but I did that once for Ross Perot along with many, many others and all that got us was Bill Clinton. I will only consider an alternative vote when "they" allow INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING.

So I will "hold my nose" and repeat over and over to myself, "Remember Supreme Court Justice appointments"....... :(

gator
06-10-2008, 07:25 PM
It's just that it seems that even consequences of an Obama Presidency is not enough for you to vote for McCain. Obama's policies, in my opinion, will prevent us from EVER being able to have a real conservative govt.

We simply won't have the rights and freedoms required to counter the state.

The answer is not to be found in the ballot box this time around but in the streets of Revolution City. We are past the point where the problems can be fixed by more of the same. Just mixing up the existing slate of politicians won't do it.

FeebMaster
06-10-2008, 08:13 PM
So I will "hold my nose" and repeat over and over to myself, "Remember Supreme Court Justice appointments"....... :(


It will be ironic when the supreme court justice appointments you're hoping for screw you.

Goldwater
06-10-2008, 08:44 PM
It will be ironic when the supreme court justice appointments you're hoping for screw you.

Roe V Wade was put into law on a Republican supreme court wasn't it?

talleyJudy
06-10-2008, 10:08 PM
It will be ironic when the supreme court justice appointments you're hoping for screw you.

Yep, it will be ironic.

Are you suggesting I go for dead certainty with B. Hussain O. :eek: rather than irony with McCain? :mad:

talleyJudy
06-10-2008, 10:16 PM
Getting back to the subject of the Constitution Party, I wish some would give pros and cons of INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING in regards to advancing the ideas and persons of minor parties.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-10-2008, 10:17 PM
Roe V Wade was put into law on a Republican supreme court wasn't it?


Yes, but that was when the Republicans were trying to go along to get along. The recent appointments have been FAR better.

Goldwater
06-10-2008, 10:24 PM
Yes, but that was when the Republicans were trying to go along to get along. The recent appointments have been FAR better.

Hmm, think they won't be going along now?

Republicans may win more elections, but consistently they lose on idealogical grounds in domestic policy. I understand why people will vote McCain, but the man is pretty unpredictable, if he chooses not to concentrate on spending cuts, well you've got another Nixon...