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06-21-2011, 04:41 PM
OneAngryDemocrat (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-20-11 10:56 PM
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Help! I'll Be Debating the Tea Party...
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Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 11:03 PM by OneAngryDemocrat
I'll be debating the leader of the local Tea Party at our public library in July. We have agreed to to toss up to 10 questions, each, into a hat, and pool them for the event. The topic is Paul Ryan's budget. Can you DU'ers think of some questions that I haven't already?

PS: That is DEBATING as in DEBATE, not DE-BAT. I don't think anyone can de-bat the Tea Party.

1. If the Tea Party opposes "Big Government" how can the Tea Party support the concept of a military that takes up fully half of the federal government’s operating budget? Is it the nation's job to police the world?

2. Do we truly have a free market system when large corporations and banks can (and do) get hundreds of billions of dollars in tax subsidies, which are little more than taxpayer funded corporate welfare handouts? Isn't government picking winners and losers by awarding tax subsidies to some companies and penalizing others by fully taxing them?

3. The Tea Party insists on 'small' government, rather than upon 'good' government no matter what its size, but is simultaneously calling for more and more legislation that regulates the personal freedoms of individual Americans (gay marriage bans, the curtailing of abortion rights, et cetera). When the Tea Party calls for smaller government, aren't they REALLY saying they want BIG government in the America's bedrooms, but 'small' government in the America's corporate boardrooms?

4. If tax breaks "create" jobs, why didn't the biggest corporations which paid no taxes whatsoever in 2010 experience phenomenal growth? Does the Tea Party believe that companies which have outsourced American jobs should be rewarded with tax breaks, which is precisely what the Ryan plan does?

5. The criminal prosecution, or even investigating America's bankers for mortgage fraud, has been largely ignored by the Tea Party, while a matter of paramount concern for those who describe themselves as liberals or progressives. If the Tea Party is truely concerned with justice and stopping corporate crime, why has the Tea Party demanded less regulatory oversight for corporations, and not made criminal prosecution for corporate criminals a cornerstone of the movement?

6. The word "corporation" or "company" never appears in the Constitution. Do corporations have constitutional rights, as two recent high-profile split-decision rulings by the Supreme Court have suggested?

7. Corporations exercising their Supreme Court awarded "rights" to free speech effectively grants members of corporate entities more than one voice when participating in our elections– individual members of a corporation speaking as private citizens can contribute to candidates or causes of their choosing, and then give again when donating funds as "corporate persons." This practice also allows them to give, large, secret donations to fund politicians and political causes – is this fair to every other American taxpayer who doesn't, themselves, have a 'corporate' identity? If so, why?

8. The Tea Party has supported union-busting legislation across the country. How does legislatively prohibiting government employees the ability to bargain collectively help those American citizens who just so happen to be government employees? Why should government employees be refused a seat at the table when decisons regarding their hours of work, working conditions, and wages and benefits are decided? What do they lose, as government employees, that other American workers do not, and why?

9. The Tea Party has supported "right-to-work" legislation across the country. How can the Tea Party support "choice" in the work place, and not also support "choice" in the corporate boardroom? Why are labor unions targets for the Tea Party's demand that union funds allocated for political purposes be distributed NOT as the majority of union members decide, but as the individual union member decides, while shareholders in a corporation are not afforded the same liberty to pick and choose where their corporate cash is spent when corporations donate to political causes, no matter what the majority of shareholders say?

10. Torte reform is one of the rallying cries for the Tea Party movement, which penalizes the victims of bona fide medical malpractice, while simultaneously protecting the insurance industry, large pharmceutical companies and other corporate medical concerns. While over 100,000 lives are lost per year due to medical malpractice and bad drugs, are Americans being protected against the privations of the Washington DC health industry lobbyists, or simply being preyed upon, with so-called torte reform legislation?

11. Trillions of dollars are speculated on Wall Street without any sales tax, while average Americans pay 6%, 7% or 8% sales tax on the basic necessities we buy in stores. If the Tea Party demands less taxation and lower deficits, why is it not fighting to stop big corporations from escaping their fair share of taxes, and are, in fact, fighting FOR tax subsidies for the speculators?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1335793&mesg_id=1335793

I can see this DUmmy jotting down all the answers the other DUmmies give him. Then looking down on a piece of paper as he *debates*.

AmPat
06-21-2011, 04:47 PM
I sure hope this idiot tries to debate using the idiocy contained in his call for help. The Tea Party member will kick his liberal @$$ is my prediction.

FDK
06-21-2011, 06:29 PM
I'd ask the DUmmie what a taxpayer is. If the DUmmie means federal income tax then the DUmmie just ruled out 42% of the country. I'd ask the DUmmie why that's OK and if the DUmmie thinks that's fair.

NJCardFan
06-21-2011, 06:38 PM
I'd ask the DUmmie what a taxpayer is. If the DUmmie means federal income tax then the DUmmie just ruled out 42% of the country. I'd ask the DUmmie why that's OK and if the DUmmie thinks that's fair.

Actually, as per 2009, that would be 51% of the country.

FDK
06-21-2011, 07:16 PM
Actually, as per 2009, that would be 51% of the country.

I saw 2011 articles that quoted 42%, 46% and 50%. I took the most conservative estimate. :D

fettpett
06-21-2011, 09:06 PM
bet he comes and claims he won even though he'll have his ass handed to him, those questions are crap

pyackog
06-21-2011, 09:35 PM
I've always enjoyed the sheer number of DUmmies who ask for help answering questions they can't answer by themselves, although they do seem to know that the other person is wrong. :rolleyes:

Zathras
06-22-2011, 11:52 AM
I only had to read question #1 and stop there. Like all DUmbasses this one doesn't have a clue and is going to get their sorry ass smoked in that debate....but, then again, we already know that.

ralph wiggum
06-22-2011, 12:16 PM
I only had to read question #1 and stop there. Like all DUmbasses this one doesn't have a clue and is going to get their sorry ass smoked in that debate....but, then again, we already know that.

But of course, the DUmmy will claim that he mopped the floor with the Tea Party person and probably toss in a bouncy story to boot.

txradioguy
06-22-2011, 12:44 PM
I only had to read question #1 and stop there. Like all DUmbasses this one doesn't have a clue and is going to get their sorry ass smoked in that debate....but, then again, we already know that.


Kinda hard to debate honestly when each "question" is either based on a lie or is so factually inaccurate as to be a joke.

ETA: Note to lurking DUmmies...the Defense budget a fraction of what your precious "entitlements" do when it comes to spending within the Federal Budget every year.

FDK
06-22-2011, 02:04 PM
5. The criminal prosecution, or even investigating America's bankers for mortgage fraud, has been largely ignored by the Tea Party, while a matter of paramount concern for those who describe themselves as liberals or progressives. If the Tea Party is truely concerned with justice and stopping corporate crime, why has the Tea Party demanded less regulatory oversight for corporations, and not made criminal prosecution for corporate criminals a cornerstone of the movement?

It was regulations (liberal ones) that helped push the lending institutions into making those loans. I'd be all for prosecuting the people in government who set this up. Should we start with congressional Democrats?

Dan D. Doty
06-22-2011, 02:32 PM
O.A.D. is going to have his ass handed to him more then once in this debate ( all those years of doing with empty chairs and all).

But instead of finding out what the Tea Party stands for, or finding out what his opponent believes, he instead listens to the bullsh*t delusions, misinformation and proganda that his fellow DUers spoon feed him.

Know your enemy, and know yourself and you shall always have victory - Sun Tzu

But then again, this Moonbat will lie his ass off on how the debate turned out; which in the end helps nothing except his frail ego :rolleyes:

ralph wiggum
06-22-2011, 02:41 PM
It was regulations (liberal ones) that helped push the lending institutions into making those loans. I'd be all for prosecuting the people in government who set this up. Should we start with congressional Democrats?

BINGO!

byte.speed
06-22-2011, 09:02 PM
...and if the DUmmie thinks that's fair. There you go again, we all know the answer to that.