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Apocalypse
06-26-2011, 09:23 PM
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Obama administration is considering requiring all new cars and trucks sold in the United States to get an average of 56.2 miles per gallon by 2025, The Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday.


U.S. officials presented the possible new standard in a proposal to representatives of Detroit auto makers, the Journal reported in its online edition.


The newspaper said the proposal isn't final and could be adjusted over the next several weeks before it is presented to White House budget officials.


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Say goodbye to the auto industry in the US.

JB
06-26-2011, 09:29 PM
woo-hoo. Nuclear cars.

By the time this gets fully negotiated the bill will require 20.2 mpg and have 60 tax increases in it. :rolleyes:

noonwitch
06-27-2011, 12:04 PM
They would have until 2025 to get to that standard.

My 2005 Focus gets about 38 mpg, and it's 6 years old. The new models are coming out at about 40 mpg-I'm paying attention right now because I'm buying a new car in August (a 2012 Focus).

Hyrids will be able to achieve the 56 mpg rate. 2025 is long enough away to get the price down on hybrids so that they can replace the gasoline-only fueled cars most of us are driving now, because they are cheaper than hybrids.

I think Ford can meet the challenge, and that GM will have to do so to keep up. I'm not counting on Chrysler being in business as an american auto maker in 2025.

Apocalypse
06-27-2011, 01:33 PM
They would have until 2025 to get to that standard.

My 2005 Focus gets about 38 mpg, and it's 6 years old. The new models are coming out at about 40 mpg-I'm paying attention right now because I'm buying a new car in August (a 2012 Focus).

Hyrids will be able to achieve the 56 mpg rate. 2025 is long enough away to get the price down on hybrids so that they can replace the gasoline-only fueled cars most of us are driving now, because they are cheaper than hybrids.

I think Ford can meet the challenge, and that GM will have to do so to keep up. I'm not counting on Chrysler being in business as an american auto maker in 2025.
That may be do-able. But we are talking about trucks too.

How many trucks do you know that can get near 40 mpg right now?

lacarnut
06-27-2011, 01:44 PM
That may be do-able. But we are talking about trucks too.

How many trucks do you know that can get near 40 mpg right now?

Have you not rec. the word from our Fuhrer.:rolleyes: Car mfg that employ unions will be exempt like GM and Chrysler.

Molon Labe
06-27-2011, 02:17 PM
there were cars built in the late 50's and 60's that got upwards of 40 MPG. The technology has been there, but there are other factors that keep it from being the standard.

RobJohnson
06-27-2011, 02:17 PM
woo-hoo. Nuclear cars.

By the time this gets fully negotiated the bill will require 20.2 mpg and have 60 tax increases in it. :rolleyes:


True. :D

RobJohnson
06-27-2011, 02:20 PM
They would have until 2025 to get to that standard.

My 2005 Focus gets about 38 mpg, and it's 6 years old. The new models are coming out at about 40 mpg-I'm paying attention right now because I'm buying a new car in August (a 2012 Focus).

Hyrids will be able to achieve the 56 mpg rate. 2025 is long enough away to get the price down on hybrids so that they can replace the gasoline-only fueled cars most of us are driving now, because they are cheaper than hybrids.

I think Ford can meet the challenge, and that GM will have to do so to keep up. I'm not counting on Chrysler being in business as an american auto maker in 2025.


Hybrids require big batteries that go "boom" if you get in a wreck. They also take up cargo space. Where do you put your suitcase? On the hood?

I would think batteries that could leak acid and give off battery dust would be more harmful

Will the presidental limo meet these standards?

Speedy
06-27-2011, 02:22 PM
As long as they are pulling MPG figures out of their ass, why not make it 100 MPG?

jnkbortka
06-27-2011, 07:33 PM
http://blog.oregonlive.com/commuting/2010/06/gas-mileage_list_shows_many_ol.html

they can do it. i hate to sound like a stupid liberal, but seriously the oil companies are out to get us

KhrushchevsShoe
06-27-2011, 09:07 PM
I'd rather we be on our way to letting "miles per gallon" become a thing of the past, but our market economy is ridiculously hostile to innovation in energy, so this'll have to do pig.

Rockntractor
06-27-2011, 09:19 PM
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Articulate_Ape
06-27-2011, 09:21 PM
I'd rather we be on our way to letting "miles per gallon" become a thing of the past, but our market economy is ridiculously hostile to innovation in energy, so this'll have to do pig.

You are of course wrong. No one in this country and anti-innovation. They are, however, anti-intervention with regard to the government. You like all on the Left want EVERYTHING, and you want it all right now. Ergo your "comprehensive/omnibus" legislation. You are not about going slowly to get there faster, you are about racing ahead to never get there at all.

Believe it or not, what you and your fellow Marxists don't get, and what the free market does, is that you can do more than one thing at a time if you want to. We can tap into the vast energy resources we have here in the US to deal with the short-term problem while we innovate and create viable alternate and renewable sources of energy for the long term.

You and your ilk are going to destroy the environment and human progress in one "comprehensive/omnibus" swoop, all because you haven't the maturity of intellect to understand the process of lasting change.

Rockntractor
06-27-2011, 10:12 PM
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/flinstone-car-china.jpg

noonwitch
06-28-2011, 08:47 AM
That may be do-able. But we are talking about trucks too.

How many trucks do you know that can get near 40 mpg right now?


I think Ford's Escape hybrid gets high mileage, but it's not exactly something that is in my price range, so I don't know exactly what the rate is. I really don't need an SUV, anyways.

namvet
06-28-2011, 09:14 AM
the Germans and Japane will lead the way

http://oi56.tinypic.com/15g5w1z.jpg

Odysseus
06-28-2011, 09:29 AM
http://blog.oregonlive.com/commuting/2010/06/gas-mileage_list_shows_many_ol.html

they can do it. i hate to sound like a stupid liberal, but seriously the oil companies are out to get us
Sure they can. You can build a car that will get 100 MPG, as long as you don't care about things like crash tests. Lighter, flimsier cars get better mileage, but provide less protection and carry less stuff. One could say that they are choosing blood over oil, but that really would make me sound like a stupid lib.

I'd rather we be on our way to letting "miles per gallon" become a thing of the past, but our market economy is ridiculously hostile to innovation in energy, so this'll have to do pig.

The market loves innovation, but it can't be mandated by central planners. That's why this is going to fail.

lacarnut
06-28-2011, 10:34 AM
I'd rather we be on our way to letting "miles per gallon" become a thing of the past, but our market economy is ridiculously hostile to innovation in energy, so this'll have to do pig.

For a greenies like you:

What has ethanol accomplished. It uses almost a gallon of fuel to produce a gallon of fuel and does it with a food source that has caused food grains to soar and starvation in 3rd world countries. Well done D & R idiots.

Wind. Another boondoggle that has almost bankrupted Spain. They have canned this expensive energy source. The electricity costs for the MA wind turbines off their coast will double and triple the price to 33 cents per kw. Morons.

Electric cars. Another joke. If they were not heavily subsidized, the mfg. would ditch them. The Volt will prove to be a disaster for taxpayers who have a billion dollar stake in this dog.

We have enough oil and natural gas in this country to supply all of our energy needs without these hair-brain foolhardy greenie ideas. Maybe one day there will be a partial substitute for oil but liberals and environmentalists hating on oil is just retarded. Oh, by the way, Obama wants Bryson confirmed as his new Commerce Sect., and he is one of those retarded liberal idiots from the kool aid state that hate oil.

RobJohnson
06-29-2011, 03:59 AM
Even ethanol has been bashed by the left.

The subsidies even pay some farmers to leave land idle to curb production. It's like welfare for the family farm.

Willie Nelson can shove his farm aid in his pipe and smoke it. I lived in the Midwest, everyone I knew that farmed made big money.

Apocalypse
07-28-2011, 08:37 AM
He's going to announce the new standards tomorrow.


WASHINGTON/DETROIT (Reuters) - The Obama administration has reached a compromise with automakers on a new fuel economy target for cars and trucks, ending months of negotiations on this pivotal mandate for the auto industry.


Automaker fleets will now have to average 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, according to people familiar with the plan.


Chief executives at the major automakers could sign off on the plan as early as Wednesday night, one of the people said.
Say good bye to any thing larger then a 4 cylinder.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announce-fuel-economy-standards-friday-002413090.html

Odysseus
07-28-2011, 10:18 AM
He's going to announce the new standards tomorrow.

Say good bye to any thing larger then a 4 cylinder.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announce-fuel-economy-standards-friday-002413090.html

And, it will have to seat enough people to justify HOA lanes.
http://www.megaboost.co.uk/misc/krusty-ricers-clown-car.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MSn-mWCCUEg/TQrncxe-aTI/AAAAAAAAATQ/nTrMGcRHAZc/s1600/102018_most_people_crammed_smart_car.jpg

Nubs
07-28-2011, 10:45 AM
Capitalism is the best form of conservation.

As the resource becomes scarce, the price increases and consumption declines. Thus, preserving the resource. Have the last few years taught us nothing?

txradioguy
07-28-2011, 02:02 PM
I'd rather we be on our way to letting "miles per gallon" become a thing of the past, but our market economy is ridiculously hostile to innovation in energy, so this'll have to do pig.


You and your socialist brethren want us all on public transportation.

Any little thing you can do to kill the sense of freedom a car represents to the average American...you're hell bent on doing.