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CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-28-2011, 01:41 PM
Can anyone here offer me some advice? I know this isn't a medical forum but still.....
Family history: Grandpa (mom's dad) suffered stroke at age 53 and died of second stroke age 55, father suffered non-fatal stroke age 51, grandma suffers minor TIAs (still alive at 78), cousin suffered two near fatal heart attacks at 21 and 33. Great Grandpa died of cancer (mom's father's father) at 72 years, grandpa (mom's dad)'s brother died of stroke age 63, other brother died of lung cancer age 69; Great grandpa (dad's father's father) died at age 40 of stroke.

Three of four grandparents are living. Both paternal grandparents suffer from Type II Diabetes. Grandma on dad's side has severe vascular issues, varicose veins and the like. Alive and generally OK otherwise at 82 and 78.

Great Grandparents: Mom's dad's dad died at 72 of cancer. His mother died in her 60s of a stroke--she had hypertension.
Mom's mom's dad died at age 76 of complications from hernia surgery but was otherwise healthy. Mom's mom's mom died in her 50s of some kidney ailment I believe. Dad's father's father died at age 40 of a heart attack shortly having a great fall wherein he broke his back. Dad's father's mother lived until age 80 or so. All my parent's siblings are healthy and alive in their 40s, 50s and 60s. My mother's half sister died of a heart attack age 62 however.

Two of my uncles have diabetes. My grandpa (mom's dad) had high uric acid and gout, as do two of my uncles.

I'm 20. I have varicose veins and suffer from a familiar, minor heart condition. I got some blood results and here were some:

Blood Glucose (Fasting) = 112
Normal = under 100
Impaired fasting Glucose = 100-125
Diabetes = 125 and above

Uric Acid = 8.5. Last Blood test it was 8.7
Normal = 4.0 to 8.0

Cholesterol = 208
Normal = 125-200

VLDL Cholesterol = 52
Normal = 8-35

Trigylcerides = 261. Last blood test was 250.
Normal = Under 150

Vitamin B12 = 972
Normal = 211-911

I share these here because I like most of you and you all seem very experienced in terms of life and I'm sure at least one here is a diabetic or has had bad blood results at some point. I'm looking for any sort of medical, or dietary advice anyone could offer here.

linda22003
06-28-2011, 01:46 PM
You don't mention if you are overweight or are from an overweight family; some of your issues seem to be from a bad genetic heritage, but others can be affected positively by weight loss. What did the doctor say about these numbers?

Bailey
06-28-2011, 01:47 PM
Isn't against the rules to give medical advice? or was that DU lol


Welcome back from your vacation :D

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-28-2011, 01:51 PM
You don't mention if you are overweight or are from an overweight family; some of your issues seem to be from a bad genetic heritage, but others can be affected positively by weight loss. What did the doctor say about these numbers?

He didn't say much. My mother picked up the results because she had to see him anyway--he's the family doctor.

I'm slightly overweight for my size, but not much: somewhere between 175-180lbs at 5'9''. I'm sedentary, which is a big problem for me. My normal weight is around 160-165lbs. I've only gained the weight in the last two years.

My family is overweight; Both my sisters are obese and have always ranged from chubby to obese since adulthood; My father's weight fluctuates but he's around the same weight and is the same size as me; My uncle who has gout and diabetes is obese, as are some of my other uncles, but they only became obese with age.

My grandfather (mom's dad) became obese after he got shot in the leg in WWII and got gout. His mother was a very heavyset woman and so was his brother. My grandpa (dad's dad) has been chubby since his 40s or 50s.

My cousin was once a very, very skinny and in shape man but has become consistently overweight or obese since his first heart attack at 21 or so.

linda22003
06-28-2011, 01:59 PM
There you go. Your family history is trying to kill you. Don't be passive about it; ask the doctor directly what you should do instead of just having your mom pick up results. If he doesn't know enough about it, get a referral to a specialist. My husband is from a family inclined to diabetes, so he pays close attention to his numbers; he was around 100 and got that down to 96 - and this year, to 83.

Molon Labe
06-28-2011, 02:00 PM
I'm slightly overweight for my size, but not much: somewhere between 175-180lbs at 5'9''. I'm sedentary, which is a big problem for me. My normal weight is around 160-165lbs. I've only gained the weight in the last two years.

My family is overweight; Both my sisters are obese and have always ranged from chubby to obese since adulthood; My father's weight fluctuates but he's around the same weight and is the same size as me; My uncle who has gout and diabetes is obese, as are some of my other uncles, but they only became obese with age.

My grandfather (mom's dad) became obese after he got shot in the leg in WWII and got gout. His mother was a very heavyset woman and so was his brother. My grandpa (dad's dad) has been chubby since his 40s or 50s.

My cousin was once a very, very skinny and in shape man but has become consistently overweight or obese since his first heart attack at 21 or so.

You've got to start taking care of the weight now. You have a family history like mine. It only gets harder in your 30s and 40s to get it off. Your numbers in triglycerides and glucose are most likely diet related. I'd have to know more about it though. There are things you can do to get away from diabetes, like eating less refined sugars. Try to keep your weight between 165 and 170 but don't be overly concerned if it goes a little above this. It's not really the weight for men, it's their waist size. Anything over 34 inches increases your chance for cardiovascular problems by like 50% or something. I don't have the exact numbers.

It all comes down to the pyramid of Diet, Cardio and Resistance training..........and you have to do this FOR LIFE. It's got to be a complete lifestyle change or you will always have issues. Stay active. Seek good medical and dietary advice first. The fact your asking the questions this young is a good sign.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-28-2011, 02:05 PM
You've got to start taking care of the weight now. You have a family history like mine. It only gets harder in your 30s and 40s to get it off. Your numbers in triglycerides and glucose are most likely diet related. I'd have to know more about it though. There are things you can do to get away from diabetes, like eating less refined sugars. Try to keep your weight between 165 and 170 but don't be overly concerned if it goes a little above this. It's not really the weight for men, it's their waist size. Anything over 34 inches increases your chance for cardiovascular problems by like 50% or something. I don't have the exact numbers.

It all comes down to the pyramid of Diet, Cardio and Resistance training..........and you have to do this FOR LIFE. It's got to be a complete lifestyle change or you will always have issues. Stay active. Seek good medical and dietary advice first. The fact your asking the questions this young is a good sign.

I'm around a 35 waist, having gone down from a pure 36 from walking a lot recently.
The problem is I live around people who reinforce my bad eating habits. I don't drink, do drugs or smoke at all, but I guess if I have a vice, it's that I love food which is pretty bad for you--Chinese food, Mexican food and the like. There are times when I've had Chinese food two or three times a week. When I was at college, I had it pretty much every day which is what caused the weight gain in the first place. There was a Chinese restaurant in the cafeteria on campus and yeah it became my daily lunch. So I'd put a lot of the blame on Chinese food and Mexican food to a lesser degree, and of course stuff like burgers and whatnot.

I tell my mother I'm trying to lose weight, and what does she do? Offers me some chocolate ice cream after dinner. I turned it down but in the past I've given into my impulses. Though I don't really eat ice cream often, but I'm sure you get the point.

I know a lot of this is on me and it may seem like I'm shifting blame to others but I just want to explain how it is--I don't get any good reinforcement to eat healthier at home. I don't cook and so I still eat the same unhealthy meals at home my mother cooks, or I go out and eat other unhealthy foods.

I worry about this now because I wanna live a long life. I don't want to be like my mom's dad, dead at 55 and forgotten by most of his grandchildren because he didn't live long enough to know them. The idea of sudden death--from a heart attack or stroke, a self brought on cause--is frightening. I mean if you get shot or something and die from that, it's probably not your fault. And you likely never saw it coming anyway. But strokes, heart attacks can be prevented and I'd love it if I could live to be 70-something. Old enough to enjoy grandkids but dying while I still have my memory and dignity.

linda22003
06-28-2011, 02:10 PM
I tell my mother I'm trying to lose weight, and what does she do? Offers me some chocolate ice cream after dinner. I turned it down but in the past I've given into my impulses. Though I don't really eat ice cream often, but I'm sure you get the point.

I know a lot of this is on me and it may seem like I'm shifting blame to others but I just want to explain how it is--I don't get any good reinforcement to eat healthier at home. I don't cook and so I still eat the same unhealthy meals at home my mother cooks, or I go out and eat other unhealthy foods.



You've nailed the cause, now you have to figure out ways to address it. :o

noonwitch
06-28-2011, 02:55 PM
Stop having your mother pick up your medical reports. You are 20, it's time to take charge. If your mother has any codependent or borderline personality traits, she needs to be needed. Don't let her get in that habit, or she will hound you until you develop some type of chronic disease in which you need her help. Trust me, I've seen it with my mother and my sister.


Dieting is not the answer. You will only miss the foods you give up, and feel deprived. Moderation is the issue. When you go to the chinese buffet, for example, fill up on veggies and lo mein noodles before eating any of the yummy fried stuff. You won't eat as much of the latter that way.

Make your own goodies. A home made brownie may have the same number of calories as a Little Debby variety, but you expended the energy into making it. It also doesn't have preservatives and all that crap in it.

Most of all, though, you have to get exercise. I never lost weight by dieting. I lost it by exercising, and by avoiding weekly phone calls from my mother.

Molon Labe
06-28-2011, 03:06 PM
I tell my mother I'm trying to lose weight, and what does she do? Offers me some chocolate ice cream after dinner. I turned it down but in the past I've given into my impulses. Though I don't really eat ice cream often, but I'm sure you get the point.

I know a lot of this is on me and it may seem like I'm shifting blame to others but I just want to explain how it is--I don't get any good reinforcement to eat healthier at home. I don't cook and so I still eat the same unhealthy meals at home my mother cooks, or I go out and eat other unhealthy foods.

I worry about this now because I wanna live a long life. I don't want to be like my mom's dad, dead at 55 and forgotten by most of his grandchildren because he didn't live long enough to know them. The idea of sudden death--from a heart attack or stroke, a self brought on cause--is frightening. I mean if you get shot or something and die from that, it's probably not your fault. And you likely never saw it coming anyway. But strokes, heart attacks can be prevented and I'd love it if I could live to be 70-something. Old enough to enjoy grandkids but dying while I still have my memory and dignity.

Yep. Sorry to hear that. That's the other problem in the equation. You have to surround yourself with people who promote a healthy lifestyle.

marv
06-28-2011, 06:03 PM
Face it. If you were born, you're gonna die. Somehow. Somewhere. Sometime.

My advice is to stop worrying about the somehows, somewheres, and sometimes. Live your life to the best you can. Do the most good for yourself and for those around you.

My family's genetic heritage says that I'll live into my 90s (I'm 72 now), and my greatest fear is that I'll have to live into my 90s!

obx
06-28-2011, 06:09 PM
Your problem is you have too much time on you hands. Up your tobacco and alcohol intake and find a woman of loose morals.

Hawkgirl
06-28-2011, 07:18 PM
Are you a hypochondriac? You lost me after the first paragraph.

AmPat
06-28-2011, 07:32 PM
I'm 52 and have suffered from high cholesterol all my life. My mother passed that legacy on to me.

Mom had a cholesterol count higher than Crisco and eventually suffered a stroke. She is a non smoker and slightly overweight.

My dad suffered a series of heart attacks when he was in his early to mid thirties. He cut down from 4 packs of Salems /day to one and died a couple years ago after completely quitting smoking. He was active but slightly overweight with ideal blood tests.

I have high cholesterol that I control with medication and exercise. I still run several times a week and throw in an occasional half marthon. The combination of drugs, exercise and diet works for me.

One question; How many Snickers Bars do you eat a day?

Rockntractor
06-28-2011, 08:02 PM
I'm hungry!

Articulate_Ape
06-28-2011, 08:57 PM
Face it. If you were born, you're gonna die. Somehow. Somewhere. Sometime.

My advice is to stop worrying about the somehows, somewheres, and sometimes. Live your life to the best you can. Do the most good for yourself and for those around you.

My family's genetic heritage says that I'll live into my 90s (I'm 72 now), and my greatest fear is that I'll have to live into my 90s!

You tell him, Marv. He won't listen, of course, but you tell him.

Articulate_Ape
06-28-2011, 09:00 PM
I'm hungry!

Have a fried fat cake and fries, Ms. Messiah did, so it's ok.

Rockntractor
06-28-2011, 09:02 PM
Have a fried fat cake and fries, Ms. Messiah did, so it's ok.

I scarfed down the rest of the peach pie last night so tonight I had vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup and cashews.

BadCat
06-28-2011, 09:16 PM
Ok, he's a liberal and he's gonna die.

Who gives a fuck?

Rockntractor
06-28-2011, 09:34 PM
That woman just announced I'm 16 hrs away from a plum pie, life has new meaning now!:)

BadCat
06-28-2011, 09:38 PM
I'm 52 and have suffered from high cholesterol all my life. My mother passed that legacy on to me.

Mom had a cholesterol count higher than Crisco and eventually suffered a stroke. She is a non smoker and slightly overweight.

My dad suffered a series of heart attacks when he was in his early to mid thirties. He cut down from 4 packs of Salems /day to one and died a couple years ago after completely quitting smoking. He was active but slightly overweight with ideal blood tests.

I have high cholesterol that I control with medication and exercise. I still run several times a week and throw in an occasional half marthon. The combination of drugs, exercise and diet works for me.

One question; How many Snickers Bars do you eat a day?

Have you tried cinnamon and garlic?

Gingersnap
06-28-2011, 10:24 PM
Unlike some here, I take this seriously.

All people who don't die of trauma, infection, childbirth, exotic genetic problems or malnutrition WILL die of cancer or cardiovascular disease. No one dies of "old age".

That said, I'm a first degree relative of a type 2 diabetic who died of it. There are the usual cardiovascular problems and cancers in my family.

You are a bookish sort so read this book if you do absolutely nothing else: 'Good Calories, Bad Calories' by Gary Taubes. It's much more of a textbook than a pop book. Taubes actually had to write a pop version of this because his book was science/research heavy. Don't read the pop book, read the real thing.

For whatever reasons, you are too sensitive to carbs. At your age, your triglycerides are way too high as are your blood sugars. Thems the breaks. For you, aside from non-starchy vegetables there are no "good carbs". You can't skate with oatmeal and 'whole grains' and brown rice and apples.

You need a fatty, protein diet. You need to restrict carbs to once a week (everybody needs a cheat day). Eat eggs, fish, meat, salad, stir-fries, and raw non-starchy veggies. Avocado will be really helpful here. Watch your calories and lose your excess weight. Eat a large amount of fish - sardines are best.

Unless you really enjoy long exercise durations, get a stationary bike (or a real one) and just ride 10 minutes at a shot but ride it 5 times a day. Short, semi-intense exercise will impact your ldl more than long, continuous exercise (and it's more do-able).

Bad Cat is correct on the cinnimon - take 2 grams a day in a split dose. It will change your insulin sensitivity in about a month.

Read the book, do this, and get your blood work done again in the middle of September. I guarantee you will be astonished.

lacarnut
06-28-2011, 10:47 PM
I scarfed down the rest of the peach pie last night so tonight I had vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup and cashews.

Hey, I had a brownie with vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup on top tonight. That was supper.

CITM needs to listen to Marv. If that is not an option, a shrink should be in the offering.

Gingersnap
06-28-2011, 11:38 PM
Hey, I had a brownie with vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup on top tonight. That was supper.

CITM needs to listen to Marv. If that is not an option, a shrink should be in the offering.

There's simply no need for you be so callous. This is an actual, medical issue. Would you be so flip if it was my stats?

This isn't political, it's social.

lacarnut
06-28-2011, 11:57 PM
There's simply no need for you be so callous. This is an actual, medical issue. Would you be so flip if it was my stats?

This isn't political, it's social.

Marv gave him some good advise. When I need medical advise I go to the doctor for it. Not some wannabe health experts on a web board. I sure as hell never got my momma at age 20 to nurse maid me. He needs to grow up.

You are half ass right, it is not political. However, it is not social either. He has medical or mental problems. I don't know which so I am not about to put my doctor's cap on. Plus, at his age it is hard for me to comprehend all the medical problems he has.

Gingersnap
06-29-2011, 12:18 AM
Marv gave him some good advise. When I need medical advise I go to the doctor for it. Not some wannabe health experts on a web board. I sure as hell never got my momma at age 20 to nurse maid me. He needs to grow up.

You are half ass right, it is not political. However, it is not social either. He has medical or mental problems. I don't know which so I am not about to put my doctor's cap on. Plus, at his age it is hard for me to comprehend all the medical problems he has.

It's completely social and you are just being a bully.

If this was me, I guarantee you would not be so callous.

Let's just drop it and let those of us who have something useful to say do that and let those of us who don't, seek elsewhere.

Novaheart
06-29-2011, 12:19 AM
He didn't say much. My mother picked up the results because she had to see him anyway--he's the family doctor.


Get a 24 speed bicycle, preferably not too cheap of one if you can do better because better bikes really are better, and you're going to want one eventually. Ride for one hour a day. Start slowly but force yourself to do it. You might enjoy it, I do. This is assuming that you don't live somewhere where riding is fatal. If that's the case, then walking is still very good. Gradually increase the distance and speed of your ride.

Weigh yourself every day. Write it down. Arrange to report to someone every day how much you weigh. Weigh yourself naked in the morning at the same time every day. This will help to eliminate some common variations which can be frustrating.

Get a food scale at Walmart. A digital scale that weighs in grams and ounces costs about $20. It has an automatic tare, which lets you put a bowl, cooking dish, or even the toaster-oven pan on it, zero out, and then weigh only the food you put on it.

Keep a food diary. A small wire bound notebook or a baby steno pad is good for this. Use one page for each day. Write the date, your weight, and how much you have lost across the top. Measure your foods and write down EVERYTHING you eat. Go to http://www.calorieking.com to get the nutritional information for what you eat. Keep track of the calories, fat, sodium. You will be surprised at what you are actually eating. The food diary keeps you honest. The food diary keeps you from getting on the scale and not knowing why you aren't losing.

Don't eat anything that comes through the window of your car.

Beware of Subway. The food is actually better than most fast food, but their nutritional information is deceptive. The calorie, fat, and sodium count does not include cheese (you can't taste their cheese anyway so leave it off) or condiments.

PS - These things have led to a 45 lb weight loss for me since May 8. A clerk walked up to me tonight at Walmart and said, "You've really taken off some weight." That felt so good.

Rockntractor
06-29-2011, 12:20 AM
Marv gave him some good advise. When I need medical advise I go to the doctor for it. Not some wannabe health experts on a web board. I sure as hell never got my momma at age 20 to nurse maid me. He needs to grow up.

You are half ass right, it is not political. However, it is not social either. He has medical or mental problems. I don't know which so I am not about to put my doctor's cap on. Plus, at his age it is hard for me to comprehend all the medical problems he has.

That's right, also as Linda pointed out he needs to start doing things for himself rather than rely on his mother, the last thing he needs to do now is add one more controlling woman to his life no matter how well intentioned it may seem.

Gingersnap
06-29-2011, 12:31 AM
That's right, also as Linda pointed out he needs to start doing things for himself rather than rely on his mother, the last thing he needs to do now is add one more controlling woman to his life no matter how well intentioned it may seem.

Well, he needs is a freaking chemist who has actually done this. I'm not "controlling" him. I sure actually know the chemistry here - do you?

I know how these blood tests work and what affects them. I spent 15 years on it personally. Now, I will bow to your greater experience if you have provable beneficial results using Marv's method. I've got real results with my husband, best friend, and myself.

This is real for him. Save the sarcasm and jokes for his political positions.

Rockntractor
06-29-2011, 12:36 AM
Well, he needs is a freaking chemist who has actually done this. I'm not "controlling" him. I sure actually know the chemistry here - do you?

I know how these blood tests work and what affects them. I spent 15 years on it personally. Now, I will bow to your greater experience if you have provable beneficial results using Marv's method. I've got real results with my husband, best friend, and myself.

This is real for him. Save the sarcasm and jokes for his political positions.

No one here is claiming expertise other than yourself, they have offered opinions, you seem to feel the only valid opinions are yours. You don't own this conversation.

Gingersnap
06-29-2011, 12:42 AM
....the last thing he needs to do now is add one more controlling woman to his life no matter how well intentioned it may seem.

Really.

AmPat
06-29-2011, 03:25 AM
Have you tried cinnamon and garlic?

Love both. I have mine under control for now. I'm concerned about the near future with retirement looming and the price of meds and the exercise tapering off due to bad knees. CITM should consider the things I've done because it does work but only if he makes a complete life style change. The bike idea courtesy Nova is a good option.

lacarnut
06-29-2011, 09:17 AM
It's completely social and you are just being a bully.

If this was me, I guarantee you would not be so callous.

Let's just drop it and let those of us who have something useful to say do that and let those of us who don't, seek elsewhere.

If it were you, I doubt you would post your complete medical history and vital signs of yourself and every uncle, aunt, grandpa, grandma, etc. I mean that is just overwhelming.

At 20 years of age, he needs to get off his ass and do something rather than sitting at home conflicting about his health and politics. JHC, that is a pathetic lifestyle if you ask me. He needs to get out in the real world and make his own way. I am not trying to be a bully. He needs a good kick in the ass. Feeling sorry for your self is mental and he may need help in this respect.

FYI, if he or you had a single medical problem, I would try to help but damn he sounds like a hypochondriac to me.

marv
06-29-2011, 03:37 PM
Unlike some here, I take this seriously.
No one dies of "old age".
Wrong!

Grandpa smoked and drank all his life, and died at 90. Dad smoked and drank all his life and died at 91. I smoke and drink, but in this day and age I don't want to live all that long.

People die of different things, and it depends on genes tempered by life-style. Period!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-29-2011, 04:56 PM
Wrong!

Grandpa smoked and drank all his life, and died at 90. Dad smoked and drank all his life and died at 91. I smoke and drink, but in this day and age I don't want to live all that long.

People die of different things, and it depends on genes tempered by life-style. Period!

Why wouldn't you want to live to 90? Say you lived to 90 with all you dignity and your mental faculties intact...What would be so horrid about that?

My grandmother is 84, very close to 90, she still has great stamina for her age and has a better memory and sharper wit than most of her own children and grandchildren. And she still has her pride. She got to watch her children have children, and her grandchildren have children, and she sits on top of the pyramid basically. Yes, ever since my step-grandpa died, she's alone in that regard, and her siblings have mostly passed on, but she still has her children and grandchildren and great grandchildren.

lacarnut
06-29-2011, 05:12 PM
Wrong!

Grandpa smoked and drank all his life, and died at 90. Dad smoked and drank all his life and died at 91. I smoke and drink, but in this day and age I don't want to live all that long.

People die of different things, and it depends on genes tempered by life-style. Period!

Very true. My dad lived to be 1 week short of 99 and my mom lived to be 92. Neither one of them drank or smoked.

I smoked and drank heavily for 30 plus years, have no physical aliments, just started taking meds for slight elevated blood pressure, and have not spent a night in the hospital in the last 60 years.
That was for a broken shoulder playing football.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-29-2011, 05:32 PM
It's just luck of the draw it seems.
I know my step-grandpa smoked 3-4 packs of unfiltered camels, drank slightly on occasion, worked off andon, as a laborer amongst Asbestos, Lead and the like, and ate like a pig and yet he was always skinny and lived to 81. He had a number of medical conditions as he got older--Skin cancer, nasal carcinoma, an ear cancer--but they were pretty minimal.

What got him in the end was complications of COPD and non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, which only appeared about a year before he died I think. And his last lung scan, taken a week before he died, showed a pretty clear set of lungs considering his condition. It wasn't even the disease that killed him, simply the stress of it on his old body.

Even so, with all of that, I'd imagine most doctors would argue, given his diet, his exposure to bad chemicals, his smoking and whatnot, that he should've had a short life from a medical standpoint. That speaking medically it's bizarre that he lived to 81.

I mean consider on the other hand my biological grandfather. A lithe, strong, well built man in his youth. He got shot in the leg in WWII and kept the leg but with a chunk of it missing; He gradually gained weight due to the fact he couldn't exercise as much--He got gout in his mid 30s and it painfully plagued him most of his life. Beforehand, he was a soldier in the War, he was a Polar Bear, he was strong enough to lift a grown woman--my grandmother, who is tall for a woman--with the ease that a man would lift a baby. He later developed Hypertension to a severe degree. He had a moderate, non-disabling stroke at age 53 and a sudden, massive stroke about 2 and a half years later which killed him at 55 years old.

Now, he didn't drink, he smoked cigars ONLY when playing cards, which wasn't often, he had a regular job and didn't eat too horribly. By the nature of his diet and lifestyle he should've lived longer, medically speaking, but died in middle age.

Rockntractor
06-29-2011, 05:35 PM
It's just luck of the draw it seems.
I know my step-grandpa smoked 3-4 packs of unfiltered camels, drank slightly on occasion, worked as a laborer amongst Asbestos, Lead and the like, and ate like a pig and yet he was always skinny and lived to 81. He had a number of medical conditions as he got older--Skin cancer, nasal carcinoma, an ear cancer--but they were pretty minimal.

What got him in the end was complications of COPD and non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, which only appeared about a year before he died I think. And his last lung scan, taken a week before he died, showed a pretty clear set of lungs considering his condition. It wasn't even the disease that killed him, simply the stress of it on his old body.

Even so, with all of that, I'd imagine most doctors would argue, given his diet, his exposure to bad chemicals, his smoking and whatnot, that he should've had a short life from a medical standpoint.

He may have been good at dealing with stress, I think that is what Marv is telling you, don't sweat it.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
06-29-2011, 05:42 PM
He may have been good at dealing with stress, I think that is what Marv is telling you, don't sweat it.

Oh yes, he was. Everything was a joke to him. He was a perpetual prankster. Always loved a good joke at others' expense and had a dry wit.

One time my grandmother said to him, "You shouldn't smoke so much, it's bad for you." He smiled at her and said, "But I don't inhale."

Or how he tormented my sister. One time she was little, and she was sitting next to him. He was eating a donut. She said, "Grandpa, can you save me a piece of that donut?" and he said, "Sure." He then ate the whole donut. My sister said, "Grandpa, you said you were gonna save me a piece of that donut." And he said, "I did--the hole."

Rockntractor
06-29-2011, 06:18 PM
Oh yes, he was. Everything was a joke to him. He was a perpetual prankster. Always loved a good joke at others' expense and had a dry wit.

One time my grandmother said to him, "You shouldn't smoke so much, it's bad for you." He smiled at her and said, "But I don't inhale."

Or how he tormented my sister. One time she was little, and she was sitting next to him. He was eating a donut. She said, "Grandpa, can you save me a piece of that donut?" and he said, "Sure." He then ate the whole donut. My sister said, "Grandpa, you said you were gonna save me a piece of that donut." And he said, "I did--the hole."

This is a good place to start, remember the people in your life who really made things work and study their lives.

marv
06-29-2011, 08:21 PM
The problem today seems to be that is whatever you die from today must be somebody elses's fault. So sue!

Rockntractor
06-29-2011, 08:25 PM
The problem today seems to be that is whatever you die from today must be somebody elses's fault. So sue!

You have to have a string of initials to identify it too, every one has a set of dam initials they associate themselves with so the have an excuse for their behavior.