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namvet
07-08-2011, 10:51 PM
Navy to Cut Jobs Amid Recession-Driven Sailor Surplus

With more sailors staying in the military amid a slumping economic recovery, the U.S. Navy is taking the unprecedented step of firing low-ranking petty officers to help rein in spending.

The Navy plans to let go of 3,000 young sailors after economic uncertainty put the service in the unusual position of having a manpower surplus.

The move comes as a new government report shows that the unemployment rate ticked up to 9.2 percent -- marking 29 straight months that number has been over 8 percent and a record streak since the Great Depression

FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/08/navy-to-cut-jobs-amid-recession-driven-sailor-surplus/)

next up the USAF.

The Air Force retention rates are also up to a 6-year high, causing it to convene a similar reduction-in -force board. The Air Force will review the records of more than 9,000 officers, mostly majors, and roughly 400 are expected to be let go

Apocalypse
07-09-2011, 12:10 AM
I don't want any one to take this the wrong way. Its in no means meant to be disparaging to the corps.

But doesn't this really signal how bad the private sector really is, when so many are joining up for so many months in a row. I can remember years upon years that the military fought to get people to join. Even offering better enlistment bonus's, but complained that the private sect. was just too hard to compete.

Rockntractor
07-09-2011, 12:13 AM
I don't want any one to take this the wrong way. Its in no means meant to be disparaging to the corps.

But doesn't this really signal how bad the private sector really is, when so many are joining up for so many months in a row. I can remember years upon years that the military fought to get people to join. Even offering better enlistment bonus's, but complained that the private sect. was just too hard to compete.

You have a point, I'm sure the economy has some effect.

Articulate_Ape
07-09-2011, 12:46 AM
You have a point, I'm sure the economy has some effect.

Some?

txradioguy
07-09-2011, 04:24 AM
Navy to Cut Jobs Amid Recession-Driven Sailor Surplus

With more sailors staying in the military amid a slumping economic recovery, the U.S. Navy is taking the unprecedented step of firing low-ranking petty officers to help rein in spending.

The Navy plans to let go of 3,000 young sailors after economic uncertainty put the service in the unusual position of having a manpower surplus.

The move comes as a new government report shows that the unemployment rate ticked up to 9.2 percent -- marking 29 straight months that number has been over 8 percent and a record streak since the Great Depression

FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/08/navy-to-cut-jobs-amid-recession-driven-sailor-surplus/)

next up the USAF.

The Air Force retention rates are also up to a 6-year high, causing it to convene a similar reduction-in -force board. The Air Force will review the records of more than 9,000 officers, mostly majors, and roughly 400 are expected to be let go

djones pointed out what is going on a couple years ago. They are trading bodies for hi tech toys. The Air Force wanted the F-22 and the F-35 and some cool UAV's so they sacrificed zoomies.

Now it appears the Navy is doing the same thing. Those new Littoral Ships and rail guns and their version of the F-35 and the new Super Hornets mean swabbies hitting the streets...and the unemployment lines.

Lets just hope they remember in November of next year who did this to them.

But rest assured in both cases the officer corps won't get touched...especially at the Flag level.

marv
07-09-2011, 11:04 AM
Lets just hope they remember in November of next year...
Nevermind the voters ever caring about numbers. Just remember what hussein's chief political adviser said.

djones520
07-09-2011, 11:26 AM
Navy to Cut Jobs Amid Recession-Driven Sailor Surplus

With more sailors staying in the military amid a slumping economic recovery, the U.S. Navy is taking the unprecedented step of firing low-ranking petty officers to help rein in spending.

The Navy plans to let go of 3,000 young sailors after economic uncertainty put the service in the unusual position of having a manpower surplus.

The move comes as a new government report shows that the unemployment rate ticked up to 9.2 percent -- marking 29 straight months that number has been over 8 percent and a record streak since the Great Depression

FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/08/navy-to-cut-jobs-amid-recession-driven-sailor-surplus/)

next up the USAF.

The Air Force retention rates are also up to a 6-year high, causing it to convene a similar reduction-in -force board. The Air Force will review the records of more than 9,000 officers, mostly majors, and roughly 400 are expected to be let go

The AF has already cut 43,000 positions in the last several years. The Air Force is saying welcome to the game. We've already chopped off 1/10th of our force.

Moved to GD for it's political nature.

djones520
07-09-2011, 11:28 AM
djones pointed out what is going on a couple years ago. They are trading bodies for hi tech toys. The Air Force wanted the F-22 and the F-35 and some cool UAV's so they sacrificed zoomies.

Now it appears the Navy is doing the same thing. Those new Littoral Ships and rail guns and their version of the F-35 and the new Super Hornets mean swabbies hitting the streets...and the unemployment lines.

Lets just hope they remember in November of next year who did this to them.

But rest assured in both cases the officer corps won't get touched...especially at the Flag level.

Only cuts occuring in the AF right now are officers. On the scale of thousands. They've finished taking the machete to the enlisted side.

They also removed something like 20 general positions.

namvet
07-09-2011, 11:41 AM
The AF has already cut 43,000 positions in the last several years. The Air Force is saying welcome to the game. We've already chopped off 1/10th of our force.

Moved to GD for it's political nature.

yeah my screw up for putting it here.............

Kay
07-09-2011, 12:30 PM
I watch job board position postings a lot. USAJobs, the government job board,
has been bloated for years now with military 'citizen' jobs. They should cut all
those people first and fill their jobs with the enlisted people that are already
trained and on the payroll.

SaintLouieWoman
07-09-2011, 12:40 PM
I watch job board position postings a lot. USAJobs, the government job board,
has been bloated for years now with military 'citizen' jobs. They should cut all
those people first and fill their jobs with the enlisted people that are already
trained and on the payroll.

I suspect that a large portion of the "citizen" jobs are filled with ex military that couldn't or wouldn't salute our commander in chief. Either way it's not a good way to reward the military who have put their lives on the line for us.

It doesn't surprise me that this is happening. Neither Obama or Hillary Clinton respect the military. I'm not saying that as Secretary of State that she has a direct responsibility for it, but attitudes transfer.

He's only doing what he inferred that he would do-----cut military spending and up those handouts to his constituents.

I hope the military and those drummed out remember this in 2012.

djones520
07-09-2011, 12:40 PM
I suspect that a large portion of the "citizen" jobs are filled with ex military that couldn't or wouldn't salute our commander in chief. Either way it's not a good way to reward the military who have put their lives on the line for us.

It doesn't surprise me that this is happening. Neither Obama or Hillary Clinton respect the military. I'm not saying that as Secretary of State that she has a direct responsibility for it, but attitudes transfer.

He's only doing what he inferred that he would do-----cut military spending and up those handouts to his constituents.

I hope the military and those drummed out remember this in 2012.

Not quite. Their mostly filled by retirees.

And these cuts began under Bush, long ago. The AF and Navy have a total strength that their allowed to have. They both went way over that. This is just them coming back down to levels set by Congress years ago.

SaintLouieWoman
07-09-2011, 12:45 PM
Not quite. Their mostly filled by retirees.

And these cuts began under Bush, long ago. The AF and Navy have a total strength that their allowed to have. They both went way over that. This is just them coming back down to levels set by Congress years ago.
Thanks, that's good to know. During the Clinton years I met a number of civilian employees who took that early retirement from the military. Several told me that they refused to salute President Clinton. Pardon for painting with too broad of a brush. :o

Kay
07-09-2011, 12:49 PM
Yes I know you are right SLW and djones, I hadn't thought of that.
Most of those citizen jobs have the preference given for veterans and
are filled by them.

It would be interesting to see what the cost of keeping the 3000 sailors
being cut from the payroll is now vs what the cost would be to add them
all to the unemployment and medicaid rolls. The government is going to
be paying for them either way, might as well keep them employed and
actively on the job, vs paying out benefits for them to sit at home - not
that the type of person who'd enlist in the first place would be the type
to just sit at home and not find another job right away. But it would be
interesting to see the cost comparison.

djones520
07-09-2011, 12:51 PM
Yes I know you are right SLW and djones, I hadn't thought of that.
Most of those citizen jobs have the preference given for veterans and
are filled by them.

It would be interesting to see what the cost of keeping the 3000 sailors
being cut from the payroll is now vs what the cost would be to add them
all to the unemployment and medicaid rolls. The government is going to
be paying for them either way, might as well keep them employed and
actively on the job, vs paying out benefits for them to sit at home - not
that the type of person who'd enlist in the first place would be the type
to just sit at home and not find another job right away. But it would be
interesting to see the cost comparison.

An average E5 makes roughly $55,000 a year in pay, and allowances. I'm not even calculatting Sea Pay, or other special allowances the navy has. There is also the long term savings the government will make by having a % of those people never reach retirement.

The gov isn't going to be giving out that much on unemployment.

Molon Labe
07-09-2011, 12:54 PM
Lets just hope they remember in November of next year who did this to them.

But rest assured in both cases the officer corps won't get touched...especially at the Flag level.

They are cutting out the dead wood lower level Officer corp as we speak. There are many 01 to 03 that are going to be given their walking papers in the next few years. And OCS failure rate standards are getting tougher, so they are saying they don't need as many 2LT anymore. I'm speaking about things just occuring, so we are only in the beginning stages.

noonwitch
07-11-2011, 11:35 AM
I don't want any one to take this the wrong way. Its in no means meant to be disparaging to the corps.

But doesn't this really signal how bad the private sector really is, when so many are joining up for so many months in a row. I can remember years upon years that the military fought to get people to join. Even offering better enlistment bonus's, but complained that the private sect. was just too hard to compete.


There is also the expense of college to consider-vets get financial aid, and can start with some of their classes online while serving.

AmPat
07-11-2011, 12:11 PM
The army is trimming 49,000 Soldiers from the ranks. We are already cutting and it has an immediate impact. I don't have a problem with the cuts, just that the job they did never gets trimmed. Less Soldiers do more to make up for the manpower shortage.