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namvet
07-15-2011, 11:04 AM
California has become the first state in the nation to require public schools to add lessons about gay history to social studies classes, after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) signed the landmark bill on Thursday.



Democratic state Sen. Mark Leno of San Francisco, the bill's author, has said that teaching gay history in public schools will teach students to be more accepting of gays and lesbians.

FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/calif-gov-signs-landmark-law-to-teach-gay-history/)

wonder if HIV will be par for the course???

Bailey
07-15-2011, 11:23 AM
California has become the first state in the nation to require public schools to add lessons about gay history to social studies classes, after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) signed the landmark bill on Thursday.



FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/calif-gov-signs-landmark-law-to-teach-gay-history/)

wonder if HIV will be par for the course???

Or that it was the gay man that spread it far and wide? I doubt it.

namvet
07-15-2011, 11:35 AM
will it include the history of HIV, strap on dildo's and which orifice to use ???

pass out photos of gay hero's like Rosie "the Riveter " Mcdonald

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/rosie05.jpg
puke

just wondering how far are they prepared to go :rolleyes:

Yoshi
07-15-2011, 11:50 AM
Close-minded much? I think this is great...they will learn more about it, and I am pretty sure they will learn about the HIV's, but seriously? The class is just like history, stop being so perverse.

Rebel Yell
07-15-2011, 11:58 AM
Close-minded much? I think this is great...they will learn more about it, and I am pretty sure they will learn about the HIV's, but seriously? The class is just like history, stop being so perverse.

How about this? If it's worthy of being taught, just put it in the fucking history books. We're gonna eventually run out of time for things like math and science making sure every little group is fully appreciated.

namvet
07-15-2011, 11:58 AM
Close-minded much? I think this is great...they will learn more about it, and I am pretty sure they will learn about the HIV's, but seriously? The class is just like history, stop being so perverse.

they already know. the MSM has seen to that. It's really part of the general dumbing down of students. There are so many social engineering subjects taught, that there is little time to teach anything that might be necessary. California is generally backwards and upside down. If businesses are taxed so much that they are forced out of state, it's a good thing. Overregulation is considered a lure to foreign investment. Graduating illiterate and unedcated children will make them more competitive internationally.
its liberal child abuse

try using both eyes, ears and what's left of your dead brain numb nuts

jnkbortka
07-15-2011, 12:13 PM
Close-minded much? I think this is great...they will learn more about it, and I am pretty sure they will learn about the HIV's, but seriously? The class is just like history, stop being so perverse.

you say "under god" shouldn't be in the pledge because some people aren't christian...

well some people are against gay marriage, and gay rights period, so they shouldn't be required to learn stuff against their beliefs, especially because this course will undoubtedly be biased for the fags...

M'KAAAY?

Articulate_Ape
07-15-2011, 02:33 PM
I thought they already covered at least some French history in Social Studies class. This seems a little redundant to me.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
07-15-2011, 03:25 PM
I thought they already covered at least some French history in Social Studies class. This seems a little redundant to me.

Never understood the hate for the French. I mean they helped us in our revolution; even if it wasn't for "humanitarian reasons", they did still aid us; We've got the Statue of Liberty from them which still stands as the welcoming beacon to America and is one of the most iconic images of America; de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" which I've seen people of all political affiliations quote, possibly one of the greatest tributes and examinations of our (early) country written. They have a pretty interesting culture and history themselves, and I'm sure anyone of European descent probably has a little French somewhere.

lacarnut
07-15-2011, 03:51 PM
Never understood the hate for the French. I mean they helped us in our revolution; even if it wasn't for "humanitarian reasons", they did still aid us; We've got the Statue of Liberty from them which still stands as the welcoming beacon to America and is one of the most iconic images of America; de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" which I've seen people of all political affiliations quote, possibly one of the greatest tributes and examinations of our (early) country written. They have a pretty interesting culture and history themselves, and I'm sure anyone of European descent probably has a little French somewhere.

You do not understand a lot of things cause you are f....k up from soup to nuts. Plus, you do not listen.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
07-15-2011, 04:27 PM
You do not understand a lot of things cause you are f....k up from soup to nuts. Plus, you do not listen.

I think what's fucked up is hating an entire country of people and equating being French with being gay. Well, maybe not fucked up, but ignorant at best.

Articulate_Ape
07-15-2011, 04:46 PM
Never understood the hate for the French. I mean they helped us in our revolution; even if it wasn't for "humanitarian reasons", they did still aid us; We've got the Statue of Liberty from them which still stands as the welcoming beacon to America and is one of the most iconic images of America; de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" which I've seen people of all political affiliations quote, possibly one of the greatest tributes and examinations of our (early) country written. They have a pretty interesting culture and history themselves, and I'm sure anyone of European descent probably has a little French somewhere.

Fuck the fucking French.

lacarnut
07-15-2011, 06:26 PM
I think what's fucked up is hating an entire country of people and equating being French with being gay. Well, maybe not fucked up, but ignorant at best.

What is more fucked up is you worrying about stupid shit like this rather than getting your head out of your ass and putting in motion advise that others have given to you on this board. You really are a dumb ass.

I could give a shit less about a bunch of socialistic or fascist or commie EU countries.

KhrushchevsShoe
07-15-2011, 06:28 PM
French people are kind of dickish as a whole, but yeah... they made a sovereign decision to not march blindly off to war with us and for some reason we cant forgive them for it.

As for teaching gay history, I doubt its a full class. Maybe a devote a couple lessons to it or work it into the current curriculum.


you say "under god" shouldn't be in the pledge because some people aren't christian...

well some people are against gay marriage, and gay rights period, so they shouldn't be required to learn stuff against their beliefs, especially because this course will undoubtedly be biased for the fags...

M'KAAAY?
I'm against big business, I dont believe in it. I shouldn't have been required to learn about stuff against my beliefs.

Rockntractor
07-15-2011, 06:35 PM
French people are kind of dickish as a whole, but yeah... they made a sovereign decision to not march blindly off to war with us and for some reason we cant forgive them for it.

As for teaching gay history, I doubt its a full class. Maybe a devote a couple lessons to it or work it into the current curriculum.


I'm against big business, I dont believe in it. I shouldn't have been required to learn about stuff against my beliefs.
I think you were very successful at not learning anything, mission accomplished!

Novaheart
07-15-2011, 06:37 PM
you say "under god" shouldn't be in the pledge because some people aren't christian...

well some people are against gay marriage, and gay rights period, so they shouldn't be required to learn stuff against their beliefs, especially because this course will undoubtedly be biased for the fags...

M'KAAAY?

Whether or not some people are against equal rights for gay people is as irrelevant as whether my parents were bigots when the curriculum was expanded (at both private and public schools) to be more inclusive of black history. Now, I'll be the first to say that some places have gone overboard, and "afrocentrism" tends to be bullshit, but the real contributions of blacks should be included in the curriculum. I disagree with some of the groupings, but I doubt anyone is going to teach that Harvey Milk should have a bust next to Thomas Jefferson.

The gay rights movement is legitimate history. You simply can't argue that issues some right wingers have described as "the most important of our time" aren't history and history in the making.

And absent the stupidity of some comments, the AIDS epidemic is also history, and probably should be included with discussions of tuberculosis, flu, yellow fever, and its treatment would also fall into major medical advances if not for the number of people affected worldwide, but because of the leaps and bounds which have occurred in immunology and anti-virals which benefit everyone.

We have no special reason to know the name of George Washington's wife or his alleged girlfriend, but both are taught in history class. That's not indoctrinating people to heterosexuality, it's details.

Rockntractor
07-15-2011, 06:40 PM
How Ironic, all that gays have is history, their future is a dead end.

lacarnut
07-15-2011, 07:02 PM
How Ironic, all that gays have is history, their future is a dead end.

Liberals and fags could not pass gay marriage in CA so they figure indoctrination of children is the way to go. What a bunch of sick bastards that believe this crap.

Novaheart
07-15-2011, 07:04 PM
How Ironic, all gays have is history, their future is a dead end.

Yeah, we only show up in history for thousands of years.

Most of the people in history books are dead.

Articulate_Ape
07-15-2011, 09:01 PM
French people are kind of dickish as a whole, but yeah... they made a sovereign decision to not march blindly off to war with us and for some reason we cant forgive them for it.

As for teaching gay history, I doubt its a full class. Maybe a devote a couple lessons to it or work it into the current curriculum.


I'm against big business, I dont believe in it. I shouldn't have been required to learn about stuff against my beliefs.


"I'd rather have a German Division in front of me than a French one behind." -- General George S. Patton


Youth is wasted on the young.

Rockntractor
07-15-2011, 11:08 PM
You've gotta kinda wonder about gay history, did some dude stumble upon another dude bent over and say" hot dam I want some of that"?:confused::eek:

Articulate_Ape
07-15-2011, 11:32 PM
You've gotta kinda wonder about gay history, did some dude stumble upon another dude bent over and say" hot dam I want some of that"?:confused::eek:

It probably went exactly like that. I wonder if "gay history" will include Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus and Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (Caligula) and their constructive exploits toward the betterment of humankind.

txradioguy
07-16-2011, 05:13 AM
California can't even teach regular history to is school in a way where they learn anything...what makes them think they should teach this fairy tale crap?

newshutr
07-16-2011, 06:48 AM
California can't even teach regular history to is school in a way where they learn anything...what makes them think they should teach this fairy tale crap?

I see what you did there....


Good one.

obx
07-16-2011, 07:44 AM
[QUOTE=Articulate_Ape;433569]"I'd rather have a German Division in front of me than a French one behind." -- General George S. Patton

Do you know why the streets of Paris are lined with trees? So the Germans can march in the shade.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
07-16-2011, 06:05 PM
So to be a good conservative, you must:
-Hate the poor or hold them in contempt.
-Hate anyone to the left of you politically
-Hate and hold contempt, disdain and disgust for gays
-Hate the French because they didn't go along with us in the Iraq War
-View the world, and thus politics, through a Biblical lens

lacarnut
07-16-2011, 06:23 PM
So to be a good conservative, you must:
-Hate the poor or hold them in contempt.
-Hate anyone to the left of you politically
-Hate and hold contempt, disdain and disgust for gays
-Hate the French because they didn't go along with us in the Iraq War
-View the world, and thus politics, through a Biblical lens

You need to take your stupidity and bullshit over to DU. The haters are over there.
A good Democrat:

They hate the rich
They hate Republicans
They hate success
They hate our military
They hate anyone that has more than them
They love the lazy, stupid and stoners
They love more taxes
They think that everyone should be entitled to a free home, food stamps, health care, a car, phone, TV, cell phone from the cradle to grave. I forgot to mention paying for bastard children.

You see, two can play that game you dim witted dunce. BTW, do you pay Federal Income Taxes? If not, you need to STFU.

Rockntractor
07-16-2011, 06:53 PM
So to be a good conservative, you must:
-Hate the poor or hold them in contempt.
-Hate anyone to the left of you politically
-Hate and hold contempt, disdain and disgust for gays
-Hate the French because they didn't go along with us in the Iraq War
-View the world, and thus politics, through a Biblical lens

Don't forget, we hate children and you're a children!:mad:

lacarnut
07-16-2011, 07:40 PM
Don't forget, we hate children and you're a children!:mad:

Good Liberal Democrats:

Hatred of people with religion.
Hate the mention of the word God
Love ACLU
Want to take the word God off our currency and all Federal and State buildings.
The mention of prayer makes their hemorrhoids explode.
In favor of queer marriage

I am sure there are many more.

Yoshi
07-16-2011, 08:31 PM
you say "under god" shouldn't be in the pledge because some people aren't christian...

well some people are against gay marriage, and gay rights period, so they shouldn't be required to learn stuff against their beliefs, especially because this course will undoubtedly be biased for the fags...

M'KAAAY?


I never said there weren't flaws. It should be an optional class not an enforced one. If students want to learn, let them. If not, then let them be ignorant of the subject. Honestly I think giving one speech about gay pride/rights a year is good enough, but the more the better.

Yoshi
07-16-2011, 08:33 PM
How about this? If it's worthy of being taught, just put it in the fucking history books. We're gonna eventually run out of time for things like math and science making sure every little group is fully appreciated.

They would put it in the history books but then some students would ignore it and/or fail that section of class. This way, if they fail the class then they will be forced to retake it and pay attention.

Yoshi
07-16-2011, 08:35 PM
they already know. the MSM has seen to that. It's really part of the general dumbing down of students. There are so many social engineering subjects taught, that there is little time to teach anything that might be necessary. California is generally backwards and upside down. If businesses are taxed so much that they are forced out of state, it's a good thing. Overregulation is considered a lure to foreign investment. Graduating illiterate and unedcated children will make them more competitive internationally.
its liberal child abuse

try using both eyes, ears and what's left of your dead brain numb nuts

Some things they teach in school are pointless...biology..when will you NEED to know how to dissect a frog or other animal. that should be optional, just as this class should be. Making it forced will cause commotion, no doubt about it, but sometimes kids ned to be forced out of their comfort zxone. if their parents are anti-gay then the only thing they will learn is to be equally against it. this way they can form their own opinion.

CueSi
07-16-2011, 10:02 PM
So to be a good conservative, you must:
-Hate the poor or hold them in contempt.
-Hate anyone to the left of you politically
-Hate and hold contempt, disdain and disgust for gays
-Hate the French because they didn't go along with us in the Iraq War
-View the world, and thus politics, through a Biblical lens

You're exaggerating to make your case. . .you know this. This is what the DU does...and while YES, there are people on CU that have this mind set, not everyone has it and you know this.

And as to this. How about everyone learn proper history (and stop stopping after WWII!!) and stop giving this and that grief group a disjointed over focus? If students learned proper American History, they'd know about Ponce De Leon, Benajmin Banneker, Paul Revere, George Washington, Phillis Wheatley, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Antietam, Appamatox, Jim Thorpe, The Alamo, Wilma Mankiller, Rosa Parks, Ceasar Chavez(yes, he's a commie to a degree, but still important, dammit), Stonewall, Bayard Rustin without losing anything.

~QC

Rockntractor
07-16-2011, 10:11 PM
You're exaggerating to make your case. . .you know this. This is what the DU does...and while YES, there are people on CU that have this mind set, not everyone has it and you know this.

And as to this. How about everyone learn proper history (and stop stopping after WWII!!) and stop giving this and that grief group a disjointed over focus? If students learned proper American History, they'd know about Ponce De Leon, Benajmin Banneker, Paul Revere, George Washington, Phillis Wheatley, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Antietam, Appamatox, Jim Thorpe, The Alamo, Wilma Mankiller, Rosa Parks, Ceasar Chavez(yes, he's a commie to a degree, but still important, dammit), Stonewall, Bayard Rustin without losing anything.

~QC

Was Stonewall Michaels brother?:confused:

CueSi
07-16-2011, 10:13 PM
Was Stonewall Michaels brother?:confused:

Stonewall was part of the 60's/70's riot-of-the-week era. . .Less important than the Watts Riots, more important than the McDuffie Riots.

Unlike the zoot suit riots of the 1940's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots) which actually got a SONG written about it. I'm surprised California hasn't taught about THAT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqH3uliwJY



~QC

lacarnut
07-16-2011, 10:17 PM
You're exaggerating to make your case. . .you know this. This is what the DU does...~QC

I don't think he is exaggerating. A moderate which he claims to be would not post BS like this. Therefore, I think he is a liar and a fraud.

Novaheart
07-17-2011, 12:47 AM
You're exaggerating to make your case. . .you know this. This is what the DU does...and while YES, there are people on CU that have this mind set, not everyone has it and you know this.

And as to this. How about everyone learn proper history (and stop stopping after WWII!!) and stop giving this and that grief group a disjointed over focus? If students learned proper American History, they'd know about Ponce De Leon, Benajmin Banneker, Paul Revere, George Washington, Phillis Wheatley, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Antietam, Appamatox, Jim Thorpe, The Alamo, Wilma Mankiller, Rosa Parks, Ceasar Chavez(yes, he's a commie to a degree, but still important, dammit), Stonewall, Bayard Rustin without losing anything.

~QC

Inclusion isn't over focus. The gay rights movement is a legitimate part of the history of civil rights struggle from female suffrage to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to the race riots of 1968 and onward. The Stonewall "Riot" may not have involved massive numbers of people, or the theft and destruction of the 14th Street riots, but it was historically significant that gay people finally fought back against a corrupt and criminal police department engaging in an activity that the gay community had endured since the 19th Century. It also wasn't the start of the gay rights movement.

The highlights of gay history can probably be covered in less than an hour, thanks to us being largely written out of it by later generations. However there is considerable reference in literature, which apparently Christianized Europe wasn't quite as eager to vandalize.

CueSi
07-17-2011, 12:57 AM
Inclusion isn't over focus. The gay rights movement is a legitimate part of the history of civil rights struggle from female suffrage to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to the race riots of 1968 and onward. The Stonewall "Riot" may not have involved massive numbers of people, or the theft and destruction of the 14th Street riots, but it was historically significant that gay people finally fought back against a corrupt and criminal police department engaging in an activity that the gay community had endured since the 19th Century. It also wasn't the start of the gay rights movement.

The highlights of gay history can probably be covered in less than an hour, thanks to us being largely written out of it by later generations. However there is considerable reference in literature, which apparently Christianized Europe wasn't quite as eager to vandalize.

Isn't that what I just said in the last paragraph?

Just as you said about Afrocentrism, it's possible it could happen with gay history in parts of the country as well. Case in point: The rumor mongering about Abraham Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln). I dropped a class because the professor believed that theory wholeheartedly. So just like black Americans claiming Cleopatra, I will come to your grave and tell you I told you so if 50 years from now, he's on a poster like this one-------------> I mean, Mrs. FDR is on there already and no one's got solid proof of that shit that I know of. (http://www.gsanetwork.org/files/events/GLBT_HistoryMonth_Poster_2010E.jpg) I want inclusion, but fugg a GSA network and this shit right HERE.

~QC

Novaheart
07-17-2011, 12:39 PM
Isn't that what I just said in the last paragraph?

Just as you said about Afrocentrism, it's possible it could happen with gay history in parts of the country as well. Case in point: The rumor mongering about Abraham Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln). I dropped a class because the professor believed that theory wholeheartedly. So just like black Americans claiming Cleopatra, I will come to your grave and tell you I told you so if 50 years from now, he's on a poster like this one-------------> I mean, Mrs. FDR is on there already and no one's got solid proof of that shit that I know of. (http://www.gsanetwork.org/files/events/GLBT_HistoryMonth_Poster_2010E.jpg) I want inclusion, but fugg a GSA network and this shit right HERE.

~QC

I don't mind the speculation (as long as it is somewhat supported and labelled as such, but not in classrooms) as much as the "gay until proven straight" practiced by some. It's amusing socially to employ "gay until proven straight" but not academically.

There have been entire organizations and cultural pressure though in certain countries and groups to deny the evidence though for figures like King James, Alexander, and various other significant figures. they really jump through hoops to do this. The gay history of the early Christian priesthood has been deliberately all but erased, yet no one seems to tire of going on and on about the relative handful of priests who have engaged in homosexual sexual abuse and trying to paint the gay community with that while never making similar accusations about heterosexual abuse other than to condemn abuse but not heterosexuality.

lurkalot
07-17-2011, 04:55 PM
I don't get it. If a person did something worth note in history, why does it matter who he/she slept with?
:confused:

Rockntractor
07-17-2011, 05:09 PM
I don't get it. If a person did something worth note in history, why does it matter who he/she slept with?
:confused:

Because the world has gone completely crazy, everything is being turned upside down and we are being conditioned to except it all as normal.

lurkalot
07-17-2011, 05:16 PM
Because the world has gone completely crazy, everything is being turned upside down and we are being conditioned to except it all as normal.

ah well, as long as there is a reasonable explanation...

time to go back to looking at home schooling....

Rockntractor
07-17-2011, 05:24 PM
ah well, as long as there is a reasonable explanation...

time to go back to looking at home schooling....

Absolutely, there is no way I would turn a child over to these perverted sickos to teach!

lurkalot
07-17-2011, 05:31 PM
fortunately this little valley was founded by the LDS...so I am pretty safe in assuming that since the faculty at the local elementary is 90% or greater Mormon, gay history won't be on the curriculum any time soon.

Novaheart
07-17-2011, 06:49 PM
I don't get it. If a person did something worth note in history, why does it matter who he/she slept with?
:confused:

As I said before, I don't really know why every American needs to know who George Washington's wife or girlfriend (aka "who he slept with") was but it's included. As for why gay figures should be identified as such, gay kids need cultural support and heroes as much as anyone else. While it's fine to declare that all children should admire all admirable historical figures regardless of their culture, ethnicity, or orientation children also look for someone in the book who is "like me".

Novaheart
07-17-2011, 06:51 PM
ah well, as long as there is a reasonable explanation...

time to go back to looking at home schooling....

Which has absolutely zero to do with your child's sexual orientation.

Novaheart
07-17-2011, 06:53 PM
fortunately this little valley was founded by the LDS...so I am pretty safe in assuming that since the faculty at the local elementary is 90% or greater Mormon, gay history won't be on the curriculum any time soon.

You mean the people who believe with absolutely nothing to support it, and completely different history of pre-columbian America, and that when you die you will get your own planet?

Cobra
07-17-2011, 07:39 PM
As I said before, I don't really know why every American needs to know who George Washington's wife or girlfriend (aka "who he slept with") was but it's included. As for why gay figures should be identified as such, gay kids need cultural support and heroes as much as anyone else. While it's fine to declare that all children should admire all admirable historical figures regardless of their culture, ethnicity, or orientation children also look for someone in the book who is "like me".

Why should children look for those "like me"? How about children looking for those unlike them that they may wish to emulate?

Apache
07-17-2011, 08:21 PM
Which has absolutely zero to do with your child's sexual orientation.

Homosexuality is not genetic... IT IS MENTAL...


Thank you for playing :rolleyes:

Novaheart
07-17-2011, 11:33 PM
Homosexuality is not genetic... IT IS MENTAL...


Thank you for playing :rolleyes:

As I am often told on this forum, if you are not one and have never been one then you are talking about something you neither know nor understand.

Apache
07-18-2011, 12:48 AM
As I am often told on this forum, if you are not one and have never been one then you are talking about something you neither know nor understand.

I can't help the fact you got a screw loose...:rolleyes:

CueSi
07-18-2011, 12:49 AM
As I am often told on this forum, if you are not one and have never been one then you are talking about something you neither know nor understand.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x4sGsP9G4Ag/TaO1lGEP2yI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/8E-abS7JUjI/s1600/_0005_SNICKERS_Bar.jpg

~QC

txradioguy
07-18-2011, 05:28 AM
So to be a good conservative, you must:
-Hate the poor or hold them in contempt.
-Hate anyone to the left of you politically
-Hate and hold contempt, disdain and disgust for gays
-Hate the French because they didn't go along with us in the Iraq War
-View the world, and thus politics, through a Biblical lens

How about we just hate people that post stupid crap like what you just did.

You aren't even trying to pretend to be a moderate or someone trying to understand "the other side" are you?

I had you pegged from the start.

txradioguy
07-18-2011, 05:33 AM
Homosexuality is not genetic... IT IS MENTAL...


Thank you for playing :rolleyes:

Bingo!

NJCardFan
07-18-2011, 07:46 AM
Some things they teach in school are pointless...biology..when will you NEED to know how to dissect a frog or other animal. that should be optional, just as this class should be. Making it forced will cause commotion, no doubt about it, but sometimes kids ned to be forced out of their comfort zxone. if their parents are anti-gay then the only thing they will learn is to be equally against it. this way they can form their own opinion.

I used to think Algebra was useless until I started working as a bread delivery driver. Then it became essential, believe it or not. As for Gay History, I see no issue with it as long as it's an elective. But history is history. I would be no more in favor of pushing this on students as I would pushing a class on religion. It should be a choice.

NJCardFan
07-18-2011, 07:48 AM
As I am often told on this forum, if you are not one and have never been one then you are talking about something you neither know nor understand.

Ah, the old "it's a black thing" response. Gotcha. :rolleyes:

Novaheart
07-18-2011, 10:59 AM
I used to think Algebra was useless until I started working as a bread delivery driver. Then it became essential, believe it or not. As for Gay History, I see no issue with it as long as it's an elective. But history is history. I would be no more in favor of pushing this on students as I would pushing a class on religion. It should be a choice.

As I said, we're only talking about inclusion. I know you don't believe this, but we have been deliberately left out and written out. I believe that contributes to a great deal of misunderstanding. I don't know what your level of exposure to the attacks on the gay community, just the everyday comments as well, but the level of ignorance is astounding.


There really are people, who from the way they speak would lead you to believe that they think gay people showed up in 1968 from somewhere other than God's Country, or that gay people are a creation of the communist party, or some of the most amazing stuff. Even the ones who aren't that far out there seem to believe that gay people were raised by bad parents, people they don't know, and of course none of them grew up in devout Christian homes, studied the Bible, or anything else they have convinced themselves is the "cause" of homosexuality. There are people on this board, who because they must believe it to maintain their own false sense of superiority believe that gay people have never contributed anything to society, to history, and have nothing to contribute. These people are ignorant. There is no other word for it. Inclusion won't fix all that, ideally it will only address the glaring examples of exclusion where facts are known.

Which is not to say that in Berkeley there won't be teachers who speculate and pass on lore. But can you honestly say that this hasn't been done consistently in public and private education? For all I know they teach about Karma and Chi in Berkeley. Look at how long it has taken to undue some of the BS traditionally taught to school children, for example that the 15th century explorers thought the world was flat or that while George Washington may well have thrown a coin across the Potomac , it wasn't at DC that he did it.

Novaheart
07-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Ah, the old "it's a black thing" response. Gotcha. :rolleyes:

Naw, it's the gay thing.
Speaking of what people are taught. Jerry Falwell once said that homosexuality was the "cause of the destruction of every great civilization" which morphed into "homosexuality was the cause of the fall of the Roman Empire." That is now repeated as fact by the sheeple. And that man was the president of a university. Odd that the Romans seemed indifferent to homosexuality for centuries, then it became against the law when Christianity was made the state religion of the empire, and shortly thereafter Rome "fell".

Apache
07-18-2011, 07:06 PM
Naw, it's the gay thing.
Speaking of what people are taught. Jerry Falwell once said that homosexuality was the "cause of the destruction of every great civilization" which morphed into "homosexuality was the cause of the fall of the Roman Empire." That is now repeated as fact by the sheeple. And that man was the president of a university. Odd that the Romans seemed indifferent to homosexuality for centuries, then it became against the law when Christianity was made the state religion of the empire, and shortly thereafter Rome "fell".

Oh STOP with that bullshit meme...


Rome played hard, fast and loose towards the end, THAT'S why they fell. Not the introduction and acceptance of Christianity...

PS. show me where homosexuality was the norm for "centuries"...

Novaheart
07-18-2011, 09:46 PM
Oh STOP with that bullshit meme...


Rome played hard, fast and loose towards the end, THAT'S why they fell. Not the introduction and acceptance of Christianity...

PS. show me where homosexuality was the norm for "centuries"...

I didn't say or imply that the creation of Christianity as the state religion of Rome was the cause of its demise; I implied there is a better case for that than the claim that it was as the result of homosexuality. I also never said or implied the homosexuality was "the norm" in the Roman Empire, I said they were indifferent. Emperor Hadrian's boyfriend was the only non-imperial head to be on a Roman coin. Hadrian deified him and built a temple to him. Clearly this wasn't a problem since Antinous died in 130 and Hadrian ruled until 138 when he died in office of natural causes. Hadrian is revered as one of the best emperors.

Rockntractor
07-18-2011, 09:48 PM
I didn't say or imply that the creation of Christianity as the state religion of Rome was the cause of its demise; I implied there is a better case for that than the claim that it was as the result of homosexuality. I also never said or implied the homosexuality was "the norm" in the Roman Empire, I said they were indifferent. Emperor Hadrian's boyfriend was the only non-imperial head to be on a Roman coin. Hadrian deified him and built a temple to him. Clearly this wasn't a problem since Antinous died in 130 and Hadrian ruled until 138 when he died in office of natural causes. Hadrian is revered as one of the best emperors.

I thought Hadrian was Rocky's girlfriend.:confused:

Articulate_Ape
07-18-2011, 09:59 PM
I thought Hadrian was Rocky's girlfriend.:confused:

You have a girlfriend? You're gonna need a wall.

Apache
07-19-2011, 12:08 AM
I didn't say or imply that the creation of Christianity as the state religion of Rome was the cause of its demise; I implied there is a better case for that than the claim that it was as the result of homosexuality.Double-speak much...?
I also never said or implied the homosexuality was "the norm" in the Roman Empire, I said they were indifferent. Emperor Hadrian's boyfriend was the only non-imperial head to be on a Roman coin. Hadrian deified him and built a temple to him. Clearly this wasn't a problem since Antinous died in 130 and Hadrian ruled until 138 when he died in office of natural causes. Hadrian is revered as one of the best emperors.

So loose morals and do what feels good is the way to go?:rolleyes:

CueSi
07-19-2011, 12:31 AM
Ah, the old "it's a black thing" response. Gotcha. :rolleyes:

I think he's liking it toward the (very justified) frame of thinking when subjects like the military are discussed. I wouldn't make a pronouncement on military life being a civilian. . . I wouldn't know and I can't possibly know.

~QC

MountainMan
07-19-2011, 01:16 AM
Yeah, we only show up in history for thousands of years.

Most of the people in history books are dead.

Greek/Roman history anyone? :D

txradioguy
07-19-2011, 05:32 AM
I think he's liking it toward the (very justified) frame of thinking when subjects like the military are discussed. I wouldn't make a pronouncement on military life being a civilian. . . I wouldn't know and I can't possibly know.

~QC

So because we aren't gay we're not allowed to have an opinion?

Apache
07-19-2011, 04:18 PM
So because we aren't gay we're not allowed to have an opinion?

It's the scant 2% that have a say...:rolleyes:

Hawkgirl
07-19-2011, 06:03 PM
I just want to say they better not have pictures or "show and tell" when they get on the FISTING chapter.

CueSi
07-19-2011, 06:12 PM
So because we aren't gay we're not allowed to have an opinion?

You can have an opinion, but it shouldn't be taken seriously, or held as valid, much like how my opinion stacks up against yours if the subject is the military.

That's how I see it.

~QC

Hawkgirl
07-19-2011, 06:30 PM
You can have an opinion, but it shouldn't be taken seriously, or held as valid, much like how my opinion stacks up against yours if the subject is the military.

That's how I see it.

~QC

So just because you are bi, you're opinion should be held higher when it comes to teaching depravity to my child? I think not!:D

I can see your opinion being more valid when it comes to dildo preferences..but not education. :)

CueSi
07-19-2011, 06:32 PM
So just because you are bi, you're opinion should be held higher when it comes to teaching depravity to my child? I think not!:D

You're assuming I'm for this. And this is taking place in California, you live in Florida. :p

~QC

Hawkgirl
07-19-2011, 06:51 PM
You're assuming I'm for this. And this is taking place in California, you live in Florida. :p

~QC


Florida education sucks too...public education is good in very few states. If I lived in CA (and I never would) then my child would be going to private, parochial school.

Bailey
07-19-2011, 07:17 PM
Cat fight!!!!

Rockntractor
07-19-2011, 07:23 PM
It's the scant 2% that have a say...:rolleyes:

Someone stuck their hand up a deep dark musty void of the constitution to find this rule!:confused:

Apache
07-19-2011, 09:59 PM
Someone stuck their hand up a deep dark musty void of the constitution to find this rule!:confused:

You know Ben "Fister" Burch :confused:

Novaheart
07-19-2011, 10:07 PM
So just because you are bi, you're opinion should be held higher when it comes to teaching depravity to my child? I think not!:D

I can see your opinion being more valid when it comes to dildo preferences..but not education. :)

What sexual acts or positions did George Washington like? I don't know either. But I know who his wife and alleged girlfriend were as well as the allegation that he was having sex with a slave named Venus.

Rockntractor
07-19-2011, 10:11 PM
What sexual acts or positions did George Washington like? I don't know either. But I know who his wife and alleged girlfriend were as well as the allegation that he was having sex with a slave named Venus.

An allegation. Prove it.

Rockntractor
07-19-2011, 10:12 PM
Nova is fisting history now!:rolleyes:

Apache
07-19-2011, 11:31 PM
What sexual acts or positions did George Washington like? I don't know either. But I know who his wife and alleged girlfriend were as well as the allegation that he was having sex with a slave named Venus.

Put up, or shut up! I love how you try to twist history to accomodate your position...:rolleyes:

CueSi
07-19-2011, 11:38 PM
Put up, or shut up! I love how you try to twist history to accomodate your position...:rolleyes:

Ahhh, the Venus thing--------------------> Here's a starting point. (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=383659) It has been mostly disproven, but the rumors were there. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/video/report1t.html) Considering the Thomas Jefferson thing... it had to be at least entertained. Nova never said it was true, he merely said the allegations were there. Not sure about the mistress thing, though.

~QC

Apache
07-19-2011, 11:51 PM
Ahhh, the Venus thing--------------------> Here's a starting point. (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=383659) It has been mostly disproven, but the rumors were there. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/video/report1t.html) Considering the Thomas Jefferson thing... it had to be at least entertained. Nova never said it was true, he merely said the allegations were there. Not sure about the mistress thing, though.

~QC

I'm fed up playing his game...


All he does is distract and deflect.

Novaheart
07-20-2011, 12:59 AM
An allegation. Prove it.

I'm not the alligator. The point is that it's in history books and some consider it common knowledge along with the smear of Thomas Jefferson. We're often told who historical figures were presumably having sex with.

Rockntractor
07-20-2011, 01:02 AM
I'm not the alligator. The point is that it's in history books and some consider it common knowledge along with the smear of Thomas Jefferson. We're often told who historical figures were presumably having sex with.

No proof to any of it.

You look a little wimpy, are you feeling okay?:confused:

Novaheart
07-20-2011, 01:12 AM
You've gotta kinda wonder about gay history, did some dude stumble upon another dude bent over and say" hot dam I want some of that"?:confused::eek:

I'm surprised that anyone wanted to have sex prior to washing machines, dental hygiene, indoor plumbing and on demand hot showers. Seriously, an you imagine how nasty their hair was?

Novaheart
07-20-2011, 01:13 AM
No proof to any of it.

You look a little wimpy, are you feeling okay?:confused:

Actually, I'm in ICU at the moment... as a patient. How did you know?

lacarnut
07-20-2011, 02:03 AM
Actually, I'm in ICU at the moment... as a patient. How did you know?

You need to leave those stallions alone.:eek:

Novaheart
07-20-2011, 06:29 AM
You need to leave those stallions alone.:eek:

Here's the kick: I've been drinking too much water and eating too little sodium. I stopped by Mom's for lunch, ate lunch and passed out in her old frail arms, poor girl thought I was having a stroke.

The good news is my kidney numbers were slightly better/stable. My kidney doctor apparently isn't used to someone who follows orders, so when she said "push water and keep sodium intake below 3000mg/day, she didn''t put a ceiling on the water and a floor on the sodium. Now that I have that, I should be otay.

Bailey
07-20-2011, 07:00 AM
Ahhh, the Venus thing--------------------> Here's a starting point. (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=383659) It has been mostly disproven, but the rumors were there. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/video/report1t.html) Considering the Thomas Jefferson thing... it had to be at least entertained. Nova never said it was true, he merely said the allegations were there. Not sure about the mistress thing, though.

~QC

Why do people of questionable moral fiber always smear great historical figures?

Rockntractor
07-20-2011, 09:37 AM
Actually, I'm in ICU at the moment... as a patient. How did you know?

You were a little green around the gills!

Rockntractor
07-20-2011, 09:38 AM
Here's the kick: I've been drinking too much water and eating too little sodium. I stopped by Mom's for lunch, ate lunch and passed out in her old frail arms, poor girl thought I was having a stroke.

The good news is my kidney numbers were slightly better/stable. My kidney doctor apparently isn't used to someone who follows orders, so when she said "push water and keep sodium intake below 3000mg/day, she didn''t put a ceiling on the water and a floor on the sodium. Now that I have that, I should be otay.

Be careful and get things balanced.

namvet
07-20-2011, 10:04 AM
Creative Frontiers School Sex Abuse Allegations Shock Calif. Parents



SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The principal of a private school in Northern California remained out of sight Tuesday as additional details emerged about allegations that he touched young girls inappropriately for years and that at least one staff member was aware of his activities but failed to tell authorities.

A complaint filed by the Department of Social Services stated that several female students said they had been touched by Robert B. Adams, principal and founder of Creative Frontiers School in the Sacramento suburb of Citrus Heights.

"On numerous occasions, respondent Adams touched female children's bodies under their shirts and down their pants," the complaint said.



source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/calif-school-sex-abuse-al_n_904095.html?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk1%7C219399)

CueSi
07-20-2011, 10:09 AM
Why do people of questionable moral fiber always smear great historical figures?

Um, you'll have to take it up with the decedents of West Ford in this case. Though I'm sure they won't like being considered of questionable moral fiber.;)

~QC