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ColonialMarine0431
07-20-2011, 04:49 PM
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Jobs Bill Passes House Judiciary Committee (would kill the Visa Lottery)

By Roy Beck, Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 3:43 PM EDT - posted on NumbersUSA

After three years of a Jobs Depression, we saw today the first action by Congress to stop driving up unemployment by importing so many immigrant workers.

The House Judiciary Committee voted 19-11 just before noon to pass H.R. 704, the SAFE for America Act, to end the Visa Lottery.

If we can get this passed on the House floor and then in the Senate and signed into law by Pres. Obama this year, that will mean 55,000 fewer permanent work permits will be handed out next year to immigrants. (And 550,000 fewer over the next decade.)

It would be a good start to finally start dialing back the exorbitant annual immigration numbers that routinely run over a million a year (while 22 million Americans who want a full-time job can't find one).

MORE (http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/july-20-2011/jobs-bill-passes-house-judiciary-committee-would-kill-visa-lottery.html)

Apache
07-20-2011, 05:31 PM
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Ain't never gonna happen...

Odysseus
07-20-2011, 08:42 PM
killing off 55,000 visas is nothing compared to how many hundreds of thousands of illegals who will enter the country next year. We're punishing people who follow the rules and rewarding those who don't. Instead of killing the visa lottery, they should be funding the rest of the border fence and forcing Harry Reid to explain why he won't allow a vote on it.

CueSi
07-20-2011, 11:01 PM
killing off 55,000 visas is nothing compared to how many hundreds of thousands of illegals who will enter the country next year. We're punishing people who follow the rules and rewarding those who don't. Instead of killing the visa lottery, they should be funding the rest of the border fence and forcing Harry Reid to explain why he won't allow a vote on it.

This. All day. Every day. Twice on Sundays.

~QC

the director
07-21-2011, 03:49 PM
killing off 55,000 visas is nothing compared to how many hundreds of thousands of illegals who will enter the country next year. We're punishing people who follow the rules and rewarding those who don't. Instead of killing the visa lottery, they should be funding the rest of the border fence and forcing Harry Reid to explain why he won't allow a vote on it.

I don't understand the anti-illegals mentality. Am I missing something? Are a significant percentage of illegals crossing from Mexico college-educated?

I'm honestly looking for the talking points on this. I'm not a econ expert, but it seems pretty basic to me that cheap labor helps the economy by keeping costs low. That and Americans don't like picking strawberries.

I am assuming Visas are given to those with some sort of formal education, which would pose a threat to Americans seeking decent paying jobs.

ColonialMarine0431
07-21-2011, 05:13 PM
I don't understand the anti-illegals mentality.

A Republic is a nation of LAWS. The Founders didn't set us up as a democracy (mob rule), but a Republic.

Kay
07-21-2011, 08:22 PM
I don't understand the anti-illegals mentality.

I don't understand you people who can't discern the difference
between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. It is very black and white, with
no shades of grey.

Nubs
07-21-2011, 08:23 PM
Let me tell you how to work the "college educated" visa scam.

Hire an engineer for $100,000/year in an extremely specialized area of expertise. Have him audit the process and layout plans and procedures to improve the plant. At 3 months and a review that identified no issues, you let him go.

Then you hire an Indian engineer for $25k/year to come in from overseas to carry out the ideas of the $100k engineer. The Indian is tickled pink at $25k/yr, the 100k engineer is out if a job.

The company gets the ideas and implementation for a total yearly cost of $25k/yr.

That's how you play the "college educated" visa game

Odysseus
07-21-2011, 10:31 PM
I don't understand the anti-illegals mentality. Am I missing something? Are a significant percentage of illegals crossing from Mexico college-educated?

I'm honestly looking for the talking points on this. I'm not a econ expert, but it seems pretty basic to me that cheap labor helps the economy by keeping costs low. That and Americans don't like picking strawberries.

I am assuming Visas are given to those with some sort of formal education, which would pose a threat to Americans seeking decent paying jobs.

You are missing the whole point of the argument. The visa lottery affects 55,000 immigrants, and shutting it down will not accomplish anything except to punish legal immigrants. OTOH, the influx of illegals has serious repercussions. First, we have a huge crime problem that comes in with people who, even if they are inclined to obey the law themselves, are very likely to become preyed upon by those who aren't, because they cannot look to the law for protection. The influx of criminal gangs that accompanies and preys upon each illegal group is an obvious problem. Also, the massive influx of semi or unskilled laborers drives down the cost of labor and, in those areas where it is most prevalent, and reduces innovation and adaptation of new technologies and business models. For example, those agricultural products that do not depend on illegal labor have developed various technologies that have significantly enhanced productivity (think of wheat, meat and dairy farming), while those that have a supply of cheap labor have continued to do business the same way for decades.

Think of labor as a commodity. When you artificially increase the cost of a commodity, you create a black market (look at cigarettes and drugs for the extreme). Illegal aliens are simply black market labor.

the director
07-21-2011, 10:51 PM
You are missing the whole point of the argument. The visa lottery affects 55,000 immigrants, and shutting it down will not accomplish anything except to punish legal immigrants. OTOH, the influx of illegals has serious repercussions. First, we have a huge crime problem that comes in with people who, even if they are inclined to obey the law themselves, are very likely to become preyed upon by those who aren't, because they cannot look to the law for protection. The influx of criminal gangs that accompanies and preys upon each illegal group is an obvious problem. Also, the massive influx of semi or unskilled laborers drives down the cost of labor and, in those areas where it is most prevalent, and reduces innovation and adaptation of new technologies and business models. For example, those agricultural products that do not depend on illegal labor have developed various technologies that have significantly enhanced productivity (think of wheat, meat and dairy farming), while those that have a supply of cheap labor have continued to do business the same way for decades.

Think of labor as a commodity. When you artificially increase the cost of a commodity, you create a black market (look at cigarettes and drugs for the extreme). Illegal aliens are simply black market labor.

Probably the best argument I've heard from a conservative on this issue - I never thought about it like that.

Odysseus
07-21-2011, 11:50 PM
Probably the best argument I've heard from a conservative on this issue - I never thought about it like that.

Thanks.

There are also national security implications. We've got extensive documentation of infiltration of al Qaeda members through both the northern and southern borders, and with the increasing presence of Hezbollah in South America, that route is going to become a major issue. And, with the collapse of the Mexican government's control of their northern provinces, we really do need to reestablish control of the border. An escalation of the drug war could create a refugee crisis.