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megimoo
08-09-2011, 03:30 AM
Theresa May, the Home Secretary, was under pressure to use water cannon on the streets of mainland Britain for the first time to quell the rampant lawlessness.

With the police appearing to lose control of parts of London, many people used the social network site Twitter to demand that officers be allowed to use the weapon. An early supporter of the tactic was Ken Livingstone, the former London mayor, who said he agreed that police should allowed to start using the cannon to disperse rioters. He said: ďThe issue of water cannon would be very useful given the level of


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8690220/London-riots-send-in-water-cannon-to-clear-streets-Theresa-May-told.html

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London riots: live

Rolling coverage of the violence that has engulfed London and spread to other cities, as Prime Minister David Cameron returns to chair emergency government response meeting.....Worst night of violence in London as looting spreads
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More than 150 young rioters were causing disruption in the areas of St Paul's and Stokes Croft, the scene of rioting earlier this year amid anger over a new Tesco store.

People were warned to stay clear of the city centre as police launched efforts to bring the scenes under control......A number of shops and vehicles have been damaged, an Avon and Somerset police spokeswoman said...Labour MP Diane Abbott suggested on Sky earlier that it may be time to consider curfews for parts of London.

07.33 Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh, who has been key Met spokesman during the riots, says the profile of the rioters has changed since the initial outbreak of violence in Tottenham on Saturday night.

Quote On Sunday we had some younger groups, aged 14 to 17, the profile last night changed to dramatically with older groups in cars doing organised looting. They were more focused on injuring London Ambulance staff who were trying to help, fire officers and of course police.

He said "all options", including calling out the military, were discussed last night and that leave and training has been cancelled for all officers, with every able-bodied cop on the streets.

07.29 The Runaway Squirrels blog carries a harrowing account of the attack on The Ledbury restaurant in Notting Hill, where rioters burst through the front windows and began robbing diners.

Quote The looters were yelling at us to get down and throwing stuff all over the place. I got down and started taking off my wedding and engagement ring to hide somewhere, but unfortunately wasnít fast enough. One looter came up and demanded my phone. I didnít have it with me since it was in my purse and it was out of arm reach. I also didnít want to lead him to my passport, so I said I didnít have one.

He told me to take off my rings and grabbed my hand, trying to yank them off. His friend tried to help too, but the rings wouldnít come off and I just yelled at him that Iíd take them off myself. In hindsight, now that I know that gun control is so fierce in England and he only had bat, I should have held on to my rings better and maybe slugged him in the face.

07.25 Only six arrests were made in Liverpool last night, where there were outbreaks of disorder across Toxteth. Sky's reporter says the vandals broke into increasingly small groups, like trying to catch "water with a net".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8687177/London-riots-live.html

SarasotaRepub
08-09-2011, 12:48 PM
They need cannons...but why waste precious water??? :confused: :won:;)

megimoo
08-09-2011, 12:54 PM
They need cannons...but why waste precious water??? :confused: :won:;)Use salt water from the River Thames.....

noonwitch
08-09-2011, 01:21 PM
Don't they have tear gas?

megimoo
08-09-2011, 01:26 PM
Don't they have tear gas?Not allowed,..Ain't PC Don't cha know?

hampshirebrit
08-09-2011, 02:14 PM
Fuckin' pisses me off. This is what 12 years of socialist bullshit followed by a coalition government with the key posts staffed by CINOs (our version of RINOs), Justice and Home Office does for us.

That plus a bunch of liberal faggot judges who think that three months community service is punishment enough for the welfare scum who are looting London.

Tonight the cops will be authorised to use batton rounds (rubber bullets) to deal with these scumbags. Fine, but give them 10 years inside for fucking other peoples' lives and livelihoods, or it won't mean a thing to them. They can cut their families' welfare payments while they're at it, too.

Why the fuck should law abiding citizens fund their lifestyle? It makes me want to puke. :mad:

SarasotaRepub
08-09-2011, 02:37 PM
Don't you guys have a Penal Colony somewhere???? Oh wait...:D

More pupper pics!!!! :D

lacarnut
08-09-2011, 03:39 PM
Not allowed,..Ain't PC Don't cha know?

Bullets would work and not the rubber kind.

After Katrina, several hundred thousand people invaded Baton Rouge. The black Mayor announced on TV that New Orleans thugs were not going to take over the city. The message was clear that the police armed with shotguns would shoot the looters. Crime increased very little. That is how you handle law breakers.

hampshirebrit
08-09-2011, 04:08 PM
Bullets would work and not the rubber kind.

After Katrina, several hundred thousand people invaded Baton Rouge. The black Mayor announced on TV that New Orleans thugs were not going to take over the city. The message was clear that the police armed with shotguns would shoot the looters. Crime increased very little. That is how you handle law breakers.

No shit. Somewhere along the line our "leaders" lost their backbone, now look at us, look at us.

We're looking at years of welfare-ism coming to fruition, in so many ways, economically and now socially. Somehow the penny is still failing to drop with our leadership. The message is clear: we cannot afford this shit, it does not work, it was never going to work.

It goes across the board. We parallel the US, and you parallel us.

Normal people get it, more and more, but our leadership (both sides of the aisle, in both countries) have lost the plot.

Buckle up, folks. It is going to get worse, way worse before it gets better.

Molon Labe
08-09-2011, 04:11 PM
No shit. Somewhere along the line our "leaders" lost their backbone, now look at us, look at us.

We're looking at years of welfare-ism coming to fruition, in so many ways, economically and now socially. Somehow the penny is still failing to drop with our leadership. The message is clear: we cannot afford this shit, it does not work, it was never going to work.

It goes across the board. We parallel the US, and you parallel us.

Normal people get it, more and more, but our leadership (both sides of the aisle, in both countries) have lost the plot.

Buckle up, folks. It is going to get worse, way worse before it gets better.

it is probably going to come this way too.....

noonwitch
08-09-2011, 04:24 PM
They need cannons...but why waste precious water??? :confused: :won:;)


I know you are kidding, but considering the amount of arson involved in the riots, the water would not be wasted.

hampshirebrit
08-09-2011, 04:33 PM
it is probably going to come this way too.....

The answer is so simple, or if not, it should be: "You play, you pay". In the US, this simple rule is still carried out way better than it is here, but the rot has started to set in in the US now, and given your current leadership, has potential to become worse.

On both sides, we are looking at welfare payments made for years, and apparently unconditionally, to perpetual, perennial fuck-ups, the very people who are looting London and our other cities right now.

We have created an underclass, a monster that will take at minimum, two generations to rid ourselves of, a segment of society that excells only at breeding the next generation of scumbags.

We are being forced, through excessive taxation, to facilitate this. At the same time, the economy is tanking.

London is burning. My only hope is that everything that's going on will make our leaders wake the fuck up.

bijou
08-09-2011, 04:49 PM
Looks like Cameron has made a decision, I'm a bit surprised he actually managed to do so.


http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/8/9/fc14b24b-e4e5-4dc3-98e3-467fe9d5aaa0_300.jpg

malloc
08-09-2011, 05:20 PM
If England wants to get serious about ending this type of behavior, then they need to take a long, hard look at their personal disarmament laws. The thing about being a criminal is that you are always outnumbered. The policies of the state define whether the criminal is outnumbered with potential victims or potential threats to their well being.

Then England should adopt a self defense "Castle Doctrine Law". That would put an end to this lawlessness very damn quick; and if this were pursued earlier, this violence wouldn't even have gotten off the ground.



13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention; applicability

A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904 or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.

B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.

C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if the person is acting to prevent what the person reasonably believes is the imminent or actual commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.

D. This section includes the use or threatened use of physical force or deadly physical force in a person's home, residence, place of business, land the person owns or leases, conveyance of any kind, or any other place in this state where a person has a right to be.

hampshirebrit
08-09-2011, 05:58 PM
If England wants to get serious about ending this type of behavior, then they need to take a long, hard look at their personal disarmament laws. The thing about being a criminal is that you are always outnumbered. The policies of the state define whether the criminal is outnumbered with potential victims or potential threats to their well being.

Then England should adopt a self defense "Castle Doctrine Law". That would put an end to this lawlessness very damn quick; and if this were pursued earlier, this violence wouldn't even have gotten off the ground.

You nailed it.

I am all out for this, believe me. This is a major thing for me, has been for a very long time.

SarasotaRepub
08-09-2011, 06:05 PM
Looks like Cameron has made a decision, I'm a bit surprised he actually managed to do so.


http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/8/9/fc14b24b-e4e5-4dc3-98e3-467fe9d5aaa0_300.jpg

Good.

djones520
08-09-2011, 06:16 PM
Is there a precedent for you guys calling in the Army?

I don't know if you have an equivalent of the National Guard like we do.

hampshirebrit
08-09-2011, 06:34 PM
Is there a precedent for you guys calling in the Army?

I don't know if you have an equivalent of the National Guard like we do.
The Army can be deployed for civil unrest, but the political fallout risks are considered too high these days.

Sonnabend
08-09-2011, 07:59 PM
Cameron is a fool. Don't issue rubber bullets.

Issue live ammo and a shoot to kill order. Stamp on it HARD and this will end fast. And issue cops guns permanently.

BTW a story in Aussie press: a homeowner punched a rioter trying to trash his home. Guess who the fuckwit cops tried to arrest.:mad:

Molon Labe
08-10-2011, 08:04 AM
The answer is so simple, or if not, it should be: "You play, you pay". In the US, this simple rule is still carried out way better than it is here, but the rot has started to set in in the US now, and given your current leadership, has potential to become worse.

On both sides, we are looking at welfare payments made for years, and apparently unconditionally, to perpetual, perennial fuck-ups, the very people who are looting London and our other cities right now.

We have created an underclass, a monster that will take at minimum, two generations to rid ourselves of, a segment of society that excells only at breeding the next generation of scumbags.

We are being forced, through excessive taxation, to facilitate this. At the same time, the economy is tanking.

London is burning. My only hope is that everything that's going on will make our leaders wake the fuck up.


Yes we've created an underclass monster, and I can't completely speak for the whole situation going on in London. But don't you think it may be something more than the underclass? The world economy is tanking big time. People are taking notice of not only the rot of our underclass, but the rot of our ruling class as well all over the world. I mean, the Greeks have watched their socialists completely bankrupt themselves. The Tunisians...the Egyptians....it goes on and on.

Take this story for example. http://www.cnbc.com/id/44073673

I think that part of this picture is that people world wide are getting sick of watching governments piss away their children's wealth and futures.

Unfortunately, I think what you're seeing in London is that the underclass is seeing this problem....but screaming for more socialism.....rather than recognizing that that is what caused the problem in the first place.