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malloc
08-09-2011, 06:49 PM
Aren't the Wisconsin recall elections, (i.e. Union thugs trying to oust 6 Republicans from the WI Senate) supposed to be today?

SarasotaRepub
08-09-2011, 06:55 PM
I think so, I saw the DUmmies babbling about it...

djones520
08-09-2011, 06:56 PM
Yeah, I was going to post a story about it earlier, but CU was hiccuping and didn't want to cooperate.

malloc
08-09-2011, 06:57 PM
Yup, I found a link to JSOnline results (which of course are no where near reporting yet):

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127331193.html


Good luck WI GOP!

fettpett
08-09-2011, 07:24 PM
yep, been hearing a lot of sheanagens going on in the Milwaukee election between Pash and Darling, both are accused of election fraud but mostly Pash for taking donations from out of state

malloc
08-09-2011, 07:27 PM
yep, been hearing a lot of sheanagens going on in the Milwaukee election between Pash and Darling, both are accused of election fraud but mostly Pash for taking donations from out of state

I think everyone's been taking out-of-state donations in this race. I've been reading articles claiming that a lot of out-of-state funding is pouring in from both sides making this one one of the most expensive seasons is WI history.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 09:10 PM
I think everyone's been taking out-of-state donations in this race. I've been reading articles claiming that a lot of out-of-state funding is pouring in from both sides making this one one of the most expensive seasons is WI history.

http://s4.postimage.org/tu6s7e5g/Liberal_Recall_Money_Matrix.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/tu6s7e5g/)

malloc
08-09-2011, 09:13 PM
http://s4.postimage.org/tu6s7e5g/Liberal_Recall_Money_Matrix.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/tu6s7e5g/)

Wow, every national left wing moonbat organization I've heard of, and then some!

Any graphs like for the GOP candidates? I know some Tea Party / Pseudo Tea Party groups like Tea Party Express and what not have been helping out. Or at least I read some articles on it.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 09:31 PM
Wow, every national left wing moonbat organization I've heard of, and then some!

Any graphs like for the GOP candidates? I know some Tea Party / Pseudo Tea Party groups like Tea Party Express and what not have been helping out. Or at least I read some articles on it.

found this from last week, i know it's from Mother Jones :rolleyes: but it's a decent take on the races spending:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/wisconsin-recall-americans-prosperity-dark-money


The conservative playing field is more scattered. Instead of one powerhouse coalition, numerous conservative outfits have trained their sights on a few individual recall races, rather than blanketing the state. The Republican State Leadership Committee, a group devoted to electing GOPers at the state level, has zeroed in on the Green Bay TV market, McCabe says, hoping to boost GOP Sen. Rob Cowles' chances against former Brown County Executive Nancy Nusbaum. Two groups with ties to the Koch brothers, Americans for Prosperity and Citizens for a Stronger America, have poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into TV ads, direct mail, and more. The Club for Growth, a fiscally conservative advocacy group, has also been active in Wisconsin's TV markets, McCabe says.

and another:
http://www.wisconsinwatch.org/2011/07/21/out-of-state-money-flows-quietly-in/

Wisconsin’s recall elections, spurred by turmoil over changes that undercut public employee unions, are seen as nationally significant. It’s no surprise they have drawn contributions from across the nation, in amounts large and small.

The $1,425 given by the four NEA officials represent a significant out-of-state contribution to Moore. She has reported raising $238,228 so far this year, including $58,638 from outside Wisconsin, compared to $336,308 raised by Harsdorf, with $25,077 from out of state, according to the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board’s website.

But what’s most unusual is Eskelsen’s willingness to talk about why she and others in NEA are giving money to a candidate in a state where they don’t live and can’t vote.

“We know her, we love her,” she exclaims about Moore. “For us, this is all about family.”

Moore, explains Eskelsen, has been a member of the NEA board since 2005, serving on a number of committees. “She was so active and so passionate about everything with her students and what they needed.”

Eskelsen says having a teacher like Moore in the state Senate is “not only good for Wisconsin — it’s good for education.”

Perhaps a similar logic prompted two University of Virginia architecture instructors to give $1,000 each on the same day to Democrat Nancy Nusbaum, who’s running against state Sen. Rob Cowles, R-Allouez. Perhaps not. The instructors did not respond to requests for comment.

Neither did a dozen other out-of-state contributors contacted over the past two weeks, since their names appeared in campaign finance reports filed by the candidates and candidate committees. Among the most mysterious is a group of donors we’ll call the Gang of Five.

They are: William Hume and Patricia Hume of San Francisco; Virginia James of Lambertville, N.J.: Richard Sharp of Richmond, Va.; and Arthur Dantchik of Gladwyne, Pa.

All five are listed as giving substantial contributions to Republican recall targets on the same dates — $500 to Cowles on April 25, $500 to Harsdorf on May 2, $500 to Sen. Dan Kapanke, R-La Crosse, on May 17, and $1,000 to Sen. Alberta Darling, R-River Hills, on May 23. And all except Sharp gave $1,000 to Sen. Luther Olsen, R-Ripon, on April 23.

William Hume is an executive with Basic American Foods Inc. Patricia Hume, his wife, is a travel agent. Hume’s office said both were unavailable for comment.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 09:33 PM
whats funny, is as of right now, almost all the races, the GOP are winning by 5-10% margins :lol:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127331193.html

malloc
08-09-2011, 09:37 PM
It definitely makes sense that the conservative groups would be smaller, more scattered, more numerous and more focused on specific areas.

I know that this election is supposed a referendum on Walker's public sector union policy, but then again, sow was that judicial election that Kloppenberg lost. I just wonder how Wisconsins can't support the outcome of Walker's stand. I read in one article that unemployment has been dropping ever since the bill passed and went into effect. I read in another article that several school districts are on track to surplus their budgets this year. It seems to me as if the plan is working.

malloc
08-09-2011, 09:39 PM
whats funny, is as of right now, almost all the races, the GOP are winning by 5-10% margins :lol:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127331193.html

Woot! I read an article, I think at mother jones that had Kanpanke as vulnerable because he had a mistress or something, and it said that polling indicated that the other races are too close to call.

djones520
08-09-2011, 09:41 PM
Woot! I read an article, I think at mother jones that had Kanpanke as vulnerable because he had a mistress or something, and it said that polling indicated that the other races are too close to call.

Yeah, he's the closest at 4% right now. About half of them have a 20-30% lead. The others have a 10% lead.

malloc
08-09-2011, 09:46 PM
Yeah, he's the closest at 4% right now. About half of them have a 20-30% lead. The others have a 10% lead.

The Dims need to knock out 3 of them for the Senate, plus keep their own recalled Senators next week correct?

fettpett
08-09-2011, 09:46 PM
Yeah, he's the closest at 4% right now. About half of them have a 20-30% lead. The others have a 10% lead.

he's dropped, about even, but he's behind by 100 votes or so, if he's the only one that loses, well it's pretty telling how the state feels over all.

and malloc, i've read the same things, one school district had 1.2 million dollar surplus because the WEAC insurance was forced to compete with other companies. Just shows how big of a racket they are

djones520
08-09-2011, 09:47 PM
The Dims need to knock out 3 of them for the Senate, plus keep their own recalled Senators next week correct?

Yep. Doesn't look to hot for them.

District 14 just really shrunk. GOP only has a 2 point lead now.

Kapanke is down by like 9 votes now as well.

malloc
08-09-2011, 09:50 PM
Yep. Doesn't look to hot for them.

District 14 just really shrunk. GOP only has a 2 point lead now.

These things can close up pretty quick if a big population center gets counted. Hopefully other people in Wisconsin have heard stories about union mandated healthcare insurance and what not, and have actually been the recipient of the benefits this law has brought Wisconsin.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 09:52 PM
looks like 10, 18, and 2 are safe, 14 and 32 are going to be close probably split. The one to watch is district 8, Pasch and Darling

malloc
08-09-2011, 09:54 PM
looks like 10, 18, and 2 are safe, 14 and 32 are going to be close probably split. The one to watch is district 8, Pasch and Darling

I'm thinking if the Democrats fail to get their 3 seats here, even if they keep their 2 challenged seats next week, they'll be thinking again before spending all the effort to try to recall Walker. If they lose one of their challenged seats next week, even if they gain 2 or 3 seats here, there's no way they'd go after Walker.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 10:01 PM
I'm thinking if the Democrats fail to get their 3 seats here, even if they keep their 2 challenged seats next week, they'll be thinking again before spending all the effort to try to recall Walker. If they lose one of their challenged seats next week, even if they gain 2 or 3 seats here, there's no way they'd go after Walker.

yeah, it's a pretty safe bet that they wont. They will try in 3 years, but by then WI will be in a much better situation, that Walker will probably walk over whoever tries to run against him:D:D (pun intended)

malloc
08-09-2011, 10:02 PM
I'm forever the optimist, and I haven't seen a GOPer fall behind yet. If WI can keep all 6 Republican seats, that will definitely send a message to the loony left.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 10:10 PM
Kapanke is down 2,556 to 2,641, but there are only 26% in so far there

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:14 PM
District 18 opened the gap up a bit again, with a 6 point differance now.

32 with Kapanke should be considered lost now I think. Down by 6% at 37%.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 10:16 PM
District 18 opened the gap up a bit again, with a 6 point differance now.

32 with Kapanke should be considered lost now I think. Down by 6% at 37%.

talking with my dad, he said that Kapanke's district is largely Dems, so it's not a surprise that he loses his seat

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:19 PM
Lets look at it this way. Democratic organizations around the country spent more then 30 million dollars to gain 1 state senate seat.

Way to go guys, good work. :D

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:20 PM
We need someone to drag something over from the DUmp. I wanna see some of their teeth gnashing and accusations of voter fraud. :D

fettpett
08-09-2011, 10:21 PM
Lets look at it this way. Democratic organizations around the country spent more then 30 million dollars to gain 1 state senate seat.

Way to go guys, good work. :D

maybe 2, Pasch just took a big lead but there is still only >20% of the votes in


IF the GOP takes one seat next week it's a wash for the most part

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:33 PM
District 18 is 50/50 again at 19% counted. This is getting close.

Mike220
08-09-2011, 10:34 PM
We need someone to drag something over from the DUmp. I wanna see some of their teeth gnashing and accusations of voter fraud. :D

Especially when the day started with such hopeful predictions...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1704102


Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-09-11 08:54 PM
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7. They will ALL be settled and called tonight.


Democrats will WIN 5 of the 6 - TONIGHT :)

Hopefully all six :)

We gotta kick the republican bums out of office!!!


RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-09-11 09:03 PM
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8. six of six. The masses will speak out against the outrage,

The implosion is going to be fun to watch. Perhaps I should pull my mole out of retirement. :D

malloc
08-09-2011, 10:34 PM
The seats for recall were chosen carefully. Dims went after seats in blue territory, and GOP went after seats in reddish territory.

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:37 PM
The seats for recall were chosen carefully. Dims went after seats in blue territory, and GOP went after seats in reddish territory.

District 14 is sealed with an 8% lead at 86% counted so the dems won't take anymore then 3 seats tonight.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 10:37 PM
Cowles and Harsdorf have won, Olsen probably will win (up 3k votes with 86% in) rest will take forever.

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:43 PM
District 8 just gained a bit, but their up to 30% now. Looking grim for them. 18 is starting to go down the hole now as well. The Dems may actually pull the 3 seats they need tonight.

SarasotaRepub
08-09-2011, 10:48 PM
Hmmm...DUmmies think soooo much of voters... (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1705250)




edhopper (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 10:28 PM
Original message Wisconsin should be a cake walkhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/transparent.gif the fact that it will go down to the wire and the Dems may not take the Senate after the shit Walker pulled, only shows me that the voters are too stupid to see past the bullshit of the right and we probably won't turn this country around.



Especially when things aren't going their way. :popcorn:

fettpett
08-09-2011, 10:50 PM
Hmmm...DUmmies think soooo much of voters...





Especially when things aren't going their way. :popcorn:

can't imagine why they think that:rolleyes::rolleyes: :smileyworship::democrat:

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:52 PM
I'm predicting they'll get their 3 seats tonight, at which the DUmp will rejoice (while still bitching), and then next week the GOP will get back one of those, and the DUmp will piss and moan.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 10:52 PM
I'm predicting they'll get their 3 seats tonight, at which the DUmp will rejoice (while still bitching), and then next week the GOP will get back one of those, and the DUmp will piss and moan.

would be funny if the GOP ends up taking all 3 of them :popcorn::popcorn:

malloc
08-09-2011, 10:59 PM
District 18 is a nail biter, but right now Hopper hanging on by about 500 votes with 79% counted. If he hangs on to that, the Dims get 2 seats.

If we pick up one of the two available....it will be meltdown at the DUmp.

djones520
08-09-2011, 10:59 PM
would be funny if the GOP ends up taking all 3 of them :popcorn::popcorn:

Just 2 seats up for grabs next week.

djones520
08-09-2011, 11:00 PM
And Hopper jumps back to a 2% lead with 79% counted. The Dems may get shafted yet.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:02 PM
Just 2 seats up for grabs next week.

oh, thought it was 3,


still not sure why they haven't called Olsen, 5 precincts have more than 4000 votes?

Apocalypse
08-09-2011, 11:04 PM
Just got home and checking out the game.

Looks like we hold 3 for sure, maybe a forth. 2, 10, 14 and the maybe of 18

32 looks lost, but depending on what still needs to report in, it might turn. The others is a ways off.

In all looks like the Dims fall short by a few seats.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:04 PM
they just gave it to Olsen

djones520
08-09-2011, 11:06 PM
18 is 50/50 again. That one is going to go down to the wire, and may see a recount.

Apocalypse
08-09-2011, 11:10 PM
They just called 32 for the Dims. One lost

malloc
08-09-2011, 11:10 PM
Even if the Dims pick up 18, that $10 Million per state senate seat on their own turf, and a down to the wire finish to boot. Hardly a referendum on Walker like they were aiming for.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:11 PM
Even if the Dims pick up 18, that $10 Million per state senate seat on their own turf, and a down to the wire finish to boot. Hardly a referendum on Walker like they were aiming for.

yeah, pretty much, I think it's funny, actually if anything it's a referendum FOR Walker

Apocalypse
08-09-2011, 11:15 PM
yeah, pretty much, I think it's funny, actually if anything it's a referendum FOR Walker
What was more a referendum then any thing was this.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127269673.html

And funnier, it came out a day before these elections.

djones520
08-09-2011, 11:19 PM
District 8 just closed the gap huge, with Darling now just 2 points behind.

malloc
08-09-2011, 11:22 PM
Let's just hope Darling's remaining districts are rural.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:22 PM
What was more a referendum then any thing was this.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127269673.html

And funnier, it came out a day before these elections.

yeah, I saw that when i was looking at stuff, and that was with Milwaukee bitching about not having enough money while on top of raising taxes again, dumbasses run that city

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:23 PM
Let's just hope Darling's remaining districts are rural.

No, it's part of Milwaukee and it's suburbs
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5279/5861877341_4b669a2258.jpg

malloc
08-09-2011, 11:28 PM
No, it's part of Milwaukee and it's suburbs
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5279/5861877341_4b669a2258.jpg

Yeah, she is definitely in the Dims turf.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:32 PM
just the fact that it's this close with as much money as was spent on Pasch's behalf, shows how ineffective she is.

btw, this is a district that Obama won in 08

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:36 PM
Hopper is down 2k votes with 105/108 precincts, bet this goes to recount

malloc
08-09-2011, 11:40 PM
What do the two seats next week look like? Do their districts think they are some sort of heroes for running away, or are their districts pissed about it?

malloc
08-09-2011, 11:43 PM
Hopper is down 2k votes with 105/108 precincts, bet this goes to recount

Look's like's down about 1150 votes. I think there's going to be a recount no matter who it's called for, provided one of them doesn't concede.

From these results I would say that this is most definitely not a referendum on Walker's policies, though it's not exactly an endorsement of them. I think a lot of the more level headed Democrats in these areas have seen some good come from them, and are waiting to give them a chance.

fettpett
08-09-2011, 11:43 PM
Called it for King in district 18, but it's less than 2%, guess it'll get recounted, Pasch-Darling is going to be a while

fettpett
08-10-2011, 12:03 AM
oh geeze....here we go again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1706180

muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-09-11 11:47 PM
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Waukesha County is holding out its results. Is the fix in?

malloc
08-10-2011, 12:12 AM
Darling is back out front by 2,500 votes or so in D8.,

fettpett
08-10-2011, 12:12 AM
Darling just jumped up 52-48 about 2600 votes difference

malloc
08-10-2011, 12:15 AM
Darling just jumped up 52-48 about 2600 votes difference

I'd be very happy if the GOP held on to this seat and picked up one or both next week. That would be $30 of the DUmmy's 2012 war chest down the drain, for damn near nothing.

malloc
08-10-2011, 12:19 AM
Darling just jumped up 52-48 about 2600 votes difference

Her lead just widened to 3,300 or so

fettpett
08-10-2011, 12:21 AM
Her lead just widened to 3,300 or so

yeah, reporting that Darling has won and Pasch is giving her concession speech, DUmp is going apeshit over Waukesha and "fraud" over there

malloc
08-10-2011, 12:23 AM
yeah, reporting that Darling has won and Pasch is giving her concession speech, DUmp is going apeshit over Waukesha and "fraud" over there

I guess that means the WI GOP held on to 4, and 1 is going to a recount? Outstanding!

If that's the case then I hope the DUmmies like their $15 million seats.

fettpett
08-10-2011, 12:26 AM
I guess that means the WI GOP held on to 4, and 1 is going to a recount? Outstanding!

If that's the case then I hope the DUmmies like their $15 million seats.

:D:D:D:D:D

yep, got to love it. Darling steam rolled Pasch in Milwaukee county apparently

djones520
08-10-2011, 12:26 AM
Their anger fills me with joy. :D

fettpett
08-10-2011, 12:32 AM
Their anger fills me with joy. :D

:D:D

I posted those 2 articles from the fist page to a "friend" that I grew up with, because I was "misinformed" about the races and how much outside money was spent. Started throwing the Koch Brothers and the wild conspiracy theories around.

and originally all i said wad Darling-Pasch was going to be close and Hopper-King was going to recount

malloc
08-10-2011, 12:37 AM
yeah, reporting that Darling has won and Pasch is giving her concession speech, DUmp is going apeshit over Waukesha and "fraud" over there

JSOnline says Darling is up by 3800 votes with 82% reporting. Who's reporting the concession? :party:

fettpett
08-10-2011, 12:43 AM
JSOnline says Darling is up by 3800 votes with 82% reporting. Who's reporting the concession? :party:

Vicki MeKenna (http://www.facebook.com/vickimckennapage) on her FB page

djones520
08-10-2011, 01:02 AM
83% in and the gap widens to 8 points.

lacarnut
08-10-2011, 02:43 AM
Repubs won 4 out of 6. So, the Repubs win. Craps come up 1 short and spend a lot of money to boot.

txradioguy
08-10-2011, 04:08 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong...but I thought these recall elections couldn't happen in Wisc. until the Congresscritter had been in office a year? Or is that just for the Governor?

fettpett
08-10-2011, 08:05 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong...but I thought these recall elections couldn't happen in Wisc. until the Congresscritter had been in office a year? Or is that just for the Governor?

these were State Senators that were eligible to be recalled

SarasotaRepub
08-10-2011, 08:24 AM
Poor DUmmies...



PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-10-11 08:16 AM
Original messageDemocrats retract accusations of tampering by Waukesha County Clerk Nickolaus


http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/127444493.html

BROWN DEER - The Wisconsin Democratic Party has retracted a public accusation by Democratic Party officials Tuesday night claiming fraud during the recall elections.

...

The Democrats later retracted that statement saying the party will not pursue questions of irregularities.

"Though we believe that Sandy Pasch was able to battle Alberta Darling to a virtual tie, on her turf, we will not pursue questions of irregularities. Those heat-of-the-moment statements came in light of the uncertainties that arose from a recent election, known too well," said state party chairman Mike Tate.



:D

SarasotaRepub
08-10-2011, 08:34 AM
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I knew I could count on DU for my morning LOL!!!! :D




democrat_patriot (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-10-11 08:28 AM
Response to Original message (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1708043#1708043)

6. Dems once again fail to capitalize on negative Republican actions.
Miss the good headline "Did Republicans tamper with votes?"

The repugs would hammer this day and night across the nation.

Dems fold.

This is why we lose, we don't have enough hate.

Bailey
08-10-2011, 09:42 AM
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I knew I could count on DU for my morning LOL!!!! :D

Is it wrong to laugh at their tears? I love it.

fettpett
08-10-2011, 10:17 AM
Is it wrong to laugh at their tears? I love it.

the sweetness libtard tears sweet my coffee in the morning:D:D:D