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megimoo
08-24-2011, 03:10 PM
One of CNN's most popular citizen reporters was fired from his substitute teaching job after school officials unearthed evidence that he used to be a gay porn star.....They didn't have to dig deep.

Shawn Loftis ditched his porn career in the spring of 2010 to focus on teaching, but he is still widely known by his X-rated alias, Collin O'Neal, the Miami New Times reported.....His hard-core performances won him several awards, and a Wikipedia page lists his porn accolades and some of the videos he's appeared in.
A print-out of the page was included in a memo that a Florida middle school principal sent to Loftis, calling him down to the office like a bad pupil to discuss his non-compliance with the school's code of ethics.

Loftis was suspended from his substitute teaching position in the Miami-Dade County Public Schools in January; his teacher's certification was revoked in April, despite his insistence that his porn days were over.
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Loftis thinks the Miami-Dade County Public School system should have taken the same approach. He filed a complaint about his case with the American Civil Liberties Union, but it failed to get him back into the classroom.

But, on the bright side, at least he had a fall-back option: he's now back to making porn flicks.
.....At Least Until the HIV virus catches up with him...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/08/23/2011-08-23_teacher__and_cnn_citizen_reporter__fired_after_ after_school_digs_up_past_as_gay_.html

Elspeth
08-24-2011, 03:58 PM
I have to take issue with this, Megs. It was a good thing for this guy to get out of porn. I mean don't we all want folks to leave damaging, immoral lives to be better people? Now, I understand the discomfort of having him around kids, but we should leave some kind of outlet for people who leave immoral and corrosive lifestyles, like porn. It sounds like he saw the error of his ways and worked to do something socially meaningful. Is it fair that he loses that? Maybe he shouldn't be teaching kids, but there must be something like curriculum planning he could do, provided it was something like math or grammar and not values based.

I know I'm rambling here, but when people make stupid mistakes in their youth and clean up their lives, should they always have to sleep with one eye open? I can see being punitive if we're talking about recidivist criminals like child molestors, but if someone did porn or exotic dancing or stripping, should that dictate the rest of their lives, even when they see the light and leave a bad life?

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 04:16 PM
I have to take issue with this, Megs. It was a good thing for this guy to get out of porn. I mean don't we all want folks to leave damaging, immoral lives to be better people? Now, I understand the discomfort of having him around kids, but we should leave some kind of outlet for people who leave immoral and corrosive lifestyles, like porn. It sounds like he saw the error of his ways and worked to do something socially meaningful. Is it fair that he loses that? Maybe he shouldn't be teaching kids, but there must be something like curriculum planning he could do, provided it was something like math or grammar and not values based.

I know I'm rambling here, but when people make stupid mistakes in their youth and clean up their lives, should they always have to sleep with one eye open? I can see being punitive if we're talking about recidivist criminals like child molestors, but if someone did porn or exotic dancing or stripping, should that dictate the rest of their lives, even when they see the light and leave a bad life?

This freak should not be allowed to be within a mile of any school/playground or park where kids congregate. FYI, I am more concerned about him molesting children. So, excuse me if I do not agree with your bleeding heart.

Elspeth
08-24-2011, 04:27 PM
This freak should not be allowed to be within a mile of any school/playground or park where kids congregate. FYI, I am more concerned about him molesting children. So, excuse me if I do not agree with your bleeding heart.

If you notice, I did say that maybe he shouldn't be near kids.

Why is it that those who want sinners to repent want them to remain jobless when they do?

djones520
08-24-2011, 04:27 PM
This freak should not be allowed to be within a mile of any school/playground or park where kids congregate. FYI, I am more concerned about him molesting children. So, excuse me if I do not agree with your bleeding heart.

So... because he's gay he's a child molester?

Elspeth
08-24-2011, 04:39 PM
So... because he's gay he's a child molester?

He's a porn star, not a child molester.

djones520
08-24-2011, 04:52 PM
He's a porn star, not a child molester.

Well I know that.

Oh the hell with this, I'm not even going to bother. People can think whatever they want.

megimoo
08-24-2011, 05:15 PM
I have to take issue with this, Megs. It was a good thing for this guy to get out of porn. I mean don't we all want folks to leave damaging, immoral lives to be better people? Now, I understand the discomfort of having him around kids, but we should leave some kind of outlet for people who leave immoral and corrosive lifestyles, like porn. It sounds like he saw the error of his ways and worked to do something socially meaningful. Is it fair that he loses that? Maybe he shouldn't be teaching kids, but there must be something like curriculum planning he could do, provided it was something like math or grammar and not values based.

I know I'm rambling here, but when people make stupid mistakes in their youth and clean up their lives, should they always have to sleep with one eye open? I can see being punitive if we're talking about recidivist criminals like child molestors, but if someone did porn or exotic dancing or stripping, should that dictate the rest of their lives, even when they see the light and leave a bad life?
Elspeth I didn't fire him,I just posted the piece..I'm not sure how to take the whole thing ?If he gave up his porn work to better himself,good for him..It doesn't mention what CNN did about it but I suspect they don't care if he was a baby raper as long as he was a good reporter..The school systems cant afford to take a chance on these critters once they find out they have worked in the porn industry and be around little kids,so they had to fire him.....It did mention that he returned to his past porn work so I guess he wasn't reformed after all..
As I mentioned in my comment he will end up dead from HIV if he keeps working in the Gay Sex market,over twenty percent of Active Gays are HIV positive,especially Black Gays...

fettpett
08-24-2011, 06:53 PM
Elspeth I didn't fire him,I just posted the piece..I'm not sure how to take the whole thing ?If he gave up his porn work to better himself,good for him..It doesn't mention what CNN did about it but I suspect they don't care if he was a baby raper as long as he was a good reporter..The school systems cant afford to take a chance on these critters once they find out they have worked in the porn industry and be around little kids,so they had to fire him.....It did mention that he returned to his past porn work so I guess he wasn't reformed after all..
As I mentioned in my comment he will end up dead from HIV if he keeps working in the Gay Sex market,over twenty percent of Active Gays are HIV positive,especially Black Gays...

my question is how does gay porn = child molester?

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think he needs to work in the school system, I just don't get the logic that is being used to connect the two

Rockntractor
08-24-2011, 07:03 PM
my question is how does gay porn = child molester?

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think he needs to work in the school system, I just don't get the logic that is being used to connect the two

Does Fettpett = PC?:confused:

CueSi
08-24-2011, 07:05 PM
my question is how does gay porn = child molester?

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think he needs to work in the school system, I just don't get the logic that is being used to connect the two

God forgives, man... not so much.

~QC

Apocalypse
08-24-2011, 07:05 PM
One of CNN's most popular citizen reporters was fired from his substitute teaching job after school officials unearthed evidence that he used to be a gay porn star.....They didn't have to dig deep.

Shawn Loftis ditched his porn career in the spring of 2010 to focus on teaching, but he is still widely known by his X-rated alias, Collin O'Neal, the Miami New Times reported.....His hard-core performances won him several awards, and a Wikipedia page lists his porn accolades and some of the videos he's appeared in.
A print-out of the page was included in a memo that a Florida middle school principal sent to Loftis, calling him down to the office like a bad pupil to discuss his non-compliance with the school's code of ethics.

Loftis was suspended from his substitute teaching position in the Miami-Dade County Public Schools in January; his teacher's certification was revoked in April, despite his insistence that his porn days were over.
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Stopped doing Porn in '10? Porn days well (Ahem) behind him?

Lets just take a look at the truth.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/Dispel_Illusions/1-5.jpg

Odd, says he was still working in the porn industry to this year.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/Dispel_Illusions/2-2.jpg

Even stranger, says that he stared in and directed this film this year.

fettpett
08-24-2011, 07:09 PM
Does Fettpett = PC?:confused:

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

CueSi
08-24-2011, 07:18 PM
Stopped doing Porn in '10? Porn days well (Ahem) behind him?

Lets just take a look at the truth.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/Dispel_Illusions/1-5.jpg

Odd, says he was still working in the porn industry to this year.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/Dispel_Illusions/2-2.jpg

Even stranger, says that he stared in and directed this film this year.

Could be a compilation film... where they string together clips of previous work and slap your name on it. Lots of studios do this.

Only way to know for sure is to look at the film itself. ;)


~QC

Apocalypse
08-24-2011, 07:23 PM
Could be a compilation film... where they string together clips of previous work and slap your name on it. Lots of studios do this.

Only way to know for sure is to look at the film itself. ;)


~QC
Did you notice the studio?

Its his studio.

He stated he left the porn industry in '10, but he owns a porn industry still churning out porn directed by him, with him in it?

djones520
08-24-2011, 07:25 PM
Did you notice the studio?

Its his studio.

He stated he left the porn industry in '10, but he owns a porn industry still churning out porn directed by him, with him in it?

The original story stated that he went back to the porn industry after they cut him loose.

CueSi
08-24-2011, 07:39 PM
Did you notice the studio?

Its his studio.

He stated he left the porn industry in '10, but he owns a porn industry still churning out porn directed by him, with him in it?

I'll take back what I said about the compilation film. It wasn't.

To me, though... maybe teaching shouldn't be his post-porn career, but... after what happened to Kurt Wild, this is getting stupid. A guy can't even get a damn job at Subway if he did porn in his past. Really?

~QC

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 09:48 PM
I'll take back what I said about the compilation film. It wasn't.

To me, though... maybe teaching shouldn't be his post-porn career, but... after what happened to Kurt Wild, this is getting stupid. A guy can't even get a damn job at Subway if he did porn in his past. Really?

~QC

How about an underage gal porn star like Traci Lord. Looks like she is doing okay finding a damn job and making money. She should not be a teacher either. No maybe's about it. Same with this O'Neal freak.

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 10:02 PM
So... because he's gay he's a child molester?

I said I was more concerned about him becoming a child molester than bleeding hearts worrying about his job possibilities. Teaching kids is a no no for gay/straight/male/female porn stars. Got it. There are 100's of other profession he can go into. You need to take an English course in comprehension.

Rockntractor
08-24-2011, 10:06 PM
I said I was more concerned about him becoming a child molester than bleeding hearts worrying about his job possibilities. Teaching kids is a no no for gay/straight/male/female porn stars. Got it. There are 100's of other profession he can go into. You need to take an English course in comprehension.

I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue it to be okay to have a gay porn star around children, he might be okay but I would not chance any of my nieces and nephews around him.
Has common sense died!

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 10:15 PM
I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue it to be okay to have a gay porn star around children, he might be okay but I would not chance any of my nieces and nephews around him.
Has common sense died!

They are not conservatives in my opinion. They are libertarians that think dope and prostitution should be legal. Our morality is going to hell in a hand basket when anyone supports a faggot teaching children.

CueSi
08-24-2011, 10:28 PM
How about an underage gal porn star like Traci Lord. Looks like she is doing okay finding a damn job and making money. She should not be a teacher either. No maybe's about it. Same with this O'Neal freak.

Apples and oranges.

Traci is an actress. He tried to do something else unrelated, so it's a different situation. Plus, she's a woman...porn is one of the few professions where women have a better time of it financially. A woman can make serious bank doing strictly straight scenes. A man? Not so much. A male porn star makes ALOT less as well, unless he decides to go gay for pay. O'Neill, from what I can tell, was gay for pay. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-for-pay) And it's ALOT more common than you think.

~QC

Apocalypse
08-24-2011, 10:31 PM
I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue it to be okay to have a gay porn star around children, he might be okay but I would not chance any of my nieces and nephews around him.
Has common sense died!
I have no problem with gays, or them being around children. Its not like being gay is a disease and can be transmitted to our children. Thou I know some who act like that.

What I have a problem with is by the looks of it, this guy is lying for what ever reason about his past, and he still has strong ties with the porn industry. He never fully cut them, and he continues to lie about it.

Not saying every one in that industry are pervs and need to be shunned. lacarnut mentioned Tracy Lords. I've met her in person. Very nice lady. Would I trust her as a teacher. Well no... but only because she has no experience as a teacher.

How many know that Nina Hartley, a major porn star is actually a registered nurse. She got into the industry to pay her way through school. She actually stayed in it because it payed better then nursing. She's done both. Would any one have a problem with her being your nurse? I wouldn't as long as she is skilled and truthful about her self.

How about Sylvester Stallone. He started out as a porn star actor. Any one have a problem with him?

My problem with this guy is he lied about his past. Still owns a porn company that has still is churning out porn. Has stared in at least 45 films (IAFD only has that many listed) and directed 15 titals (Again, all that is listed on this site), claimed to have left the industry in early '10, but... has 4 titles in '10 - '11 and directed 5 titles in the same time frame. Most under his company. That tells me he is lying.

Another problem I have about him and lying is the porn industry is constantly praying on young people for new actors. This guy still owned his own company. Whats to stop him to try and lurer some young people to star in a film of his for some easy cash?

If he truly had cut the ties, didn't own the company. Was honest about his past. I really wouldn't care. But this guy didn't.

CueSi
08-24-2011, 10:32 PM
I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue it to be okay to have a gay porn star around children, he might be okay but I would not chance any of my nieces and nephews around him.
Has common sense died!

Did I say it was okay? Go back and read what I said... I said maybe teaching shouldn't be his post porn career.

~QC

djones520
08-24-2011, 10:39 PM
I have no problem with gays, or them being around children. Its not like being gay is a disease and can be transmitted to our children. Thou I know some who act like that.

What I have a problem with is by the looks of it, this guy is lying for what ever reason about his past, and he still has strong ties with the porn industry. He never fully cut them, and he continues to lie about it.

Not saying every one in that industry are pervs and need to be shunned. lacarnut mentioned Tracy Lords. I've met her in person. Very nice lady. Would I trust her as a teacher. Well no... but only because she has no experience as a teacher.

How many know that Nina Hartley, a major porn star is actually a registered nurse. She got into the industry to pay her way through school. She actually stayed in it because it payed better then nursing. She's done both. Would any one have a problem with her being your nurse? I wouldn't as long as she is skilled and truthful about her self.

How about Sylvester Stallone. He started out as a porn star actor. Any one have a problem with him?

My problem with this guy is he lied about his past. Still owns a porn company that has still is churning out porn. Has stared in at least 45 films (IAFD only has that many listed) and directed 15 titals (Again, all that is listed on this site), claimed to have left the industry in early '10, but... has 4 titles in '10 - '11 and directed 5 titles in the same time frame. Most under his company. That tells me he is lying.

Another problem I have about him and lying is the porn industry is constantly praying on young people for new actors. This guy still owned his own company. Whats to stop him to try and lurer some young people to star in a film of his for some easy cash?

If he truly had cut the ties, didn't own the company. Was honest about his past. I really wouldn't care. But this guy didn't.

A great post.

CueSi
08-24-2011, 10:40 PM
I have no problem with gays, or them being around children. Its not like being gay is a disease and can be transmitted to our children. Thou I know some who act like that.

What I have a problem with is by the looks of it, this guy is lying for what ever reason about his past, and he still has strong ties with the porn industry. He never fully cut them, and he continues to lie about it.

Not saying every one in that industry are pervs and need to be shunned. lacarnut mentioned Tracy Lords. I've met her in person. Very nice lady. Would I trust her as a teacher. Well no... but only because she has no experience as a teacher.

How many know that Nina Hartley, a major porn star is actually a registered nurse. She got into the industry to pay her way through school. She actually stayed in it because it payed better then nursing. She's done both. Would any one have a problem with her being your nurse? I wouldn't as long as she is skilled and truthful about her self.

How about Sylvester Stallone. He started out as a porn star actor. Any one have a problem with him?

My problem with this guy is he lied about his past. Still owns a porn company that has still is churning out porn. Has stared in at least 45 films (IAFD only has that many listed) and directed 15 titals (Again, all that is listed on this site), claimed to have left the industry in early '10, but... has 4 titles in '10 - '11 and directed 5 titles in the same time frame. Most under his company. That tells me he is lying.

Another problem I have about him and lying is the porn industry is constantly praying on young people for new actors. This guy still owned his own company. Whats to stop him to try and lurer some young people to star in a film of his for some easy cash?

If he truly had cut the ties, didn't own the company. Was honest about his past. I really wouldn't care. But this guy didn't.

The thing is, the story stated he went back to the industry after his past was revealed, though. It only takes about 2 weeks to make a porn film. If he went back in April, it's conceivable that he could have some of these after his return. . . if he was honest about his past, would he have been hired? I'll grant you the owning of the company though. . . that IS hinky, and should be looked into.

Porn hiring... at least down here (and there is ALOT of it down here, believe me), isn't as predatory as you'd think...you see an ad in New Times or Craigslist, you send your pics, you show up at the audition, they check your ID MULTIPLE times, ad they blood test you. The Feds watch this industry like a hawk and come down like a hammer if they suspect any underage actors. The industry polices itself to prevent disease outbreaks. So,the "young" people you speak of are over the age of consent.

~QC

Rockntractor
08-24-2011, 10:42 PM
Did I say it was okay? Go back and read what I said... I said maybe teaching shouldn't be his post porn career.

~QC

You want to own both sides of the argument.

CueSi
08-24-2011, 10:45 PM
You want to own both sides of the argument.

No, but I think the permanent stigmatizing him as someone who'd prey on children by virtue of his profession is unfair and right on par with liberals stigmatizing priests. He probably shouldn't be a teacher, but he probably isn't some child molesting freak.

~QC

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 10:45 PM
Apples and oranges.

Traci is an actress. He tried to do something else unrelated, so it's a different situation. Plus, she's a woman...porn is one of the few professions where women have a better time of it financially. A woman can make serious bank doing strictly straight scenes. A man? Not so much. A male porn star makes ALOT less as well, unless he decides to go gay for pay. O'Neill, from what I can tell, was gay for pay. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-for-pay) And it's ALOT more common than you think.

~QC

Porn stars, ex or otherwise, should not be teaching children. We have too many mental basket cases in the teaching profession as it is. Don't need to add sex addicts to the mix.

Rockntractor
08-24-2011, 10:48 PM
No, but I think the permanent stigmatizing him as someone who'd prey on children by virtue of his profession is unfair and right on par with liberals stigmatizing priests. He probably shouldn't be a teacher, but he probably isn't some child molesting freak.

~QC

Fuck fair, when will the safety of children start being the priority.

djones520
08-24-2011, 10:49 PM
Fuck fair, when will the safety of children start being the priority.

Guilty till proven innocent huh?

Just without the chance to prove innocence.

Rockntractor
08-24-2011, 10:50 PM
Guilty till proven innocent huh?

Just without the chance to prove innocence.

Put your kids first.

MountainMan
08-24-2011, 10:52 PM
They are not conservatives in my opinion. They are libertarians that think dope and prostitution should be legal. Our morality is going to hell in a hand basket when anyone supports a faggot teaching children.

:rolleyes: You know, I understand the sentiment about ex-porn stars taking teaching jobs but now you want homosexuals banned from teaching jobs too?

FFS.....:rolleyes:

PoliCon
08-24-2011, 11:16 PM
my question is how does gay porn = child molester?

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think he needs to work in the school system, I just don't get the logic that is being used to connect the two

This story is ridiculous. He was not doing the films while a teacher - it's something he did before and left. And gay does not mean he's a child molester no matter what some people may think. Hell for all any of us knows he may just be gay for pay.

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 11:24 PM
:rolleyes: You know, I understand the sentiment about ex-porn stars taking teaching jobs but now you want homosexuals banned from teaching jobs too?

FFS.....:rolleyes:

You are f......g right. Don't want these freak teaching children. They can go into 100's of other professions. Same deal as with the military.

fettpett
08-24-2011, 11:30 PM
The guy fucked up plain and simple. Teaching at a High school level or under is probably not the best place for anyone in porn once they are done with that career. College, whole different ball game as the students are adults and can chose their own classes.

PoliCon
08-24-2011, 11:34 PM
So . . . Male teachers who once worked in porn - absolutely unacceptable but female teachers who sleep with their male students - ok.

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 11:36 PM
So . . . Male teachers who once worked in porn - absolutely unacceptable but female teachers who sleep with their male students - ok.

Who said that? You need to quit taking those stupid pills.

PoliCon
08-24-2011, 11:43 PM
Who said that? You need to quit taking those stupid pills.

I'm sorry - did I misunderstand the sentiments that many of the posters here have made in the past regarding female teachers having sex with highschool boys?

lacarnut
08-24-2011, 11:50 PM
Guilty till proven innocent huh?

Just without the chance to prove innocence.

I guess it never dawned on you that a queer went into the priesthood or became a scout master or became a teacher to molest children. I want to ban them before they have that opportunity. FYI, after they have gotten caught, the horse has left the barn. I could give a shit about the absurdity of your statement that they have a chance to prove innocence. The possibility of them ruining a child's life is of more important to me than your half baked PC. Like I said before, libertarians that think like you are not conservatives in my opinion.

CueSi
08-24-2011, 11:52 PM
I'm sorry - did I misunderstand the sentiments that many of the posters here have made in the past regarding female teachers having sex with highschool boys?

you mean like (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=419664&postcount=8) these (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=12418&postcount=11)? Or this (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=214886&postcount=4)maybe (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=160895&postcount=5)?

~QC

lacarnut
08-25-2011, 12:02 AM
I'm sorry - did I misunderstand the sentiments that many of the posters here have made in the past regarding female teachers having sex with highschool boys?

Not from me. BTW, female teachers having sex with high school boys is either a crime or is an ethics violation. Some may think it is funny or fantasize about it when they were in high school but if it happened to one of their sons it might be a different story.

Novaheart
08-25-2011, 12:02 AM
I'll take back what I said about the compilation film. It wasn't.

To me, though... maybe teaching shouldn't be his post-porn career, but... after what happened to Kurt Wild, this is getting stupid. A guy can't even get a damn job at Subway if he did porn in his past. Really?

~QC

More to the point, he was engaging in a legal business, we know this because surely he was taxes on his proceeds.

Moral turpitude? Exactly who is going to wield that stick at him? A three times divorced school official? Or perhaps a PTA chairwoman who accused her exhusband of something awful to gain leverage in a divorce court?

Is porn more or less moral than screwing people out of their retirement accounts?
Is porn more or less moral than making your living spreading disinformation on talk radio?
Is porn more or less moral than charging $7 per pill for a naturally occurring medicine which sold for pennies until you convinced the US government to give you exclusive rights?

Some people need to re-examine their understanding of the word moral. When everyone consents, and everyone/thing is legal, and everyone gets paid- it's moral.

fettpett
08-25-2011, 12:04 AM
It's not "PC", all of us have said that anyone in porn shouldn't go into teaching after their career. Just because someone is gay doesn't make them child molesters. That's the problem we are having with your crap.

No, children don't need to be exposed to that persons personal life, but that doesn't mean that someone who has sex someone of the same sex is a bad teacher or person or is going to prey on children, that thinking is asinine. What we have a problem with is you judging someone for something they haven't or aren't likely to do.

Now, if you were talking about the content of what they are teaching in their curriculum, sure you've got an argument if they are spouting pro-gay, liberal crap in a class that has nothing to do with it. But that's not what is being discussed.

Also a child molester is much more likely to be a straight male than gay or a woman (though that is changing with the recent rash of female teachers having sex with underage boys). What are you going to do? Ban all male teachers? Female? why not just have all kids taught by robots.

lacarnut
08-25-2011, 12:07 AM
you mean like (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=419664&postcount=8) these (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=12418&postcount=11)? Or this (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=214886&postcount=4)maybe (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=160895&postcount=5)?

~QC

Pretty lame quotes there. Logan P. is a flaming liberal. Rock was making a joke. Guess you did not get it.
Conclusion... Fail.

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 12:12 AM
you mean like (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=419664&postcount=8) these (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=12418&postcount=11)? Or this (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=214886&postcount=4)maybe (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=160895&postcount=5)?

~QC

I have made my views on that subject perfectly clear many times.
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=419987&postcount=73

Apache
08-25-2011, 12:13 AM
He filed a complaint about his case with the American Civil Liberties Union, but it failed to get him back into the classroom.




Who thinks the whole truth is being told here? The ACLUess couldn't even muscle him back in....:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 12:18 AM
It's not "PC", all of us have said that anyone in porn shouldn't go into teaching after their career. Just because someone is gay doesn't make them child molesters. That's the problem we are having with your crap.

No, children don't need to be exposed to that persons personal life, but that doesn't mean that someone who has sex someone of the same sex is a bad teacher or person or is going to prey on children, that thinking is asinine. What we have a problem with is you judging someone for something they haven't or aren't likely to do.

Now, if you were talking about the content of what they are teaching in their curriculum, sure you've got an argument if they are spouting pro-gay, liberal crap in a class that has nothing to do with it. But that's not what is being discussed.

Also a child molester is much more likely to be a straight male than gay or a woman (though that is changing with the recent rash of female teachers having sex with underage boys). What are you going to do? Ban all male teachers? Female? why not just have all kids taught by robots.

Nah, defending a gay porn producer that wants to be a school teacher isn't being politically correct, hell no!

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 12:20 AM
Who thinks the whole truth is being told here? The ACLUess couldn't even muscle him back in....:rolleyes:

valid point - and it is Miami-dade . . . . Could it be that the left is not as progressive and accepting as they pretend to be?

fettpett
08-25-2011, 12:21 AM
Nah, defending a gay porn producer that wants to be a school teacher isn't being politically correct, hell no!

I wasn't defending his dumbass, and have said that at lest 3 times. It's lumping all gay men in with pedophiles that i have issue with and treating anyone who's gay like they are diseased just because you don't condone the lifestyle or their politics.

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 12:22 AM
I wasn't defending his dumbass, and have said that at lest 3 times. It's lumping all gay men in with pedophiles that i have issue with and treating anyone who's gay like they are diseased just because you don't condone the lifestyle or their politics.

Some people cannot see the distinction.

fettpett
08-25-2011, 12:22 AM
Some people cannot see the distinction.

yeah, no shit, it's pretty plain around here who can't

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 12:23 AM
yeah, no shit, it's pretty plain around here who can't

What do I know. I'm a leftist in the minds of those same people so . . . . :rolleyes:

fettpett
08-25-2011, 12:30 AM
What do I know. I'm a leftist in the minds of those same people so . . . . :rolleyes:

:vader::vader:right?:rolleyes:

lacarnut
08-25-2011, 12:30 AM
It's not "PC", all of us have said that anyone in porn shouldn't go into teaching after their career. Just because someone is gay doesn't make them child molesters. That's the problem we are having with your crap.

No, children don't need to be exposed to that persons personal life, but that doesn't mean that someone who has sex someone of the same sex is a bad teacher or person or is going to prey on children, that thinking is asinine. What we have a problem with is you judging someone for something they haven't or aren't likely to do.

.

What is asinine is not to realize that a homosexual MAY be attracted and prey on children. For me, that makes them unfit to teach children. Also, parents who do not teach their children about the dangers that these perverts may pose are ignorant to the fact that it may happen to their child. Teachers that require grade school kids to read homosexual books is PC. Johnny having two dads is perverted.

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 12:33 AM
What is asinine is not to realize that a homosexual may be attracted and prey on children. For me, that makes them unfit to teach children. Also, parents who do not teach their children about the dangers that these perverts may pose are ignorant to the fact that it may happen to their child. Teachers that require grade school kids to read homosexual books is PC. Johnny having two dads is perverted.

old men from Louisiana are just as likely to be attracted to and prey upon children as homosexuals if the stories are to be trusted. :p

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 12:34 AM
I wasn't defending his dumbass, and have said that at lest 3 times. It's lumping all gay men in with pedophiles that i have issue with and treating anyone who's gay like they are diseased just because you don't condone the lifestyle or their politics.

This was what I actually said on this topic
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=444886&postcount=20

I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue it to be okay to have a gay porn star around children, he might be okay but I would not chance any of my nieces and nephews around him.
Has common sense died!
and you got all of this out of that

It's lumping all gay men in with pedophiles that i have issue with and treating anyone who's gay like they are diseased just because you don't condone the lifestyle or their politics.

lacarnut
08-25-2011, 12:37 AM
old men from Louisiana are just as likely to be attracted to and prey upon children as homosexuals if the stories are to be trusted. :p

Oh, I touched a nerve with queer teachers.

fettpett
08-25-2011, 12:41 AM
This was what I actually said on this topic
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=444886&postcount=20

and you got all of this out of that

I know what you said, and I don't think they guy should be teaching when he's been a porn star, gay or not, at the Highschool level and below. What gets me is that some conservatives think they can dictate what people do in their bedroom.

I was also referring to other posts, not just yours

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 12:41 AM
Oh, I touched a nerve with queer teachers.

:rolleyes:

Apache
08-25-2011, 12:44 AM
Guys! PLEASE!



DAMMIT!

There is way more to this story than is written!!! There is way more in his history than just being a gay-porn star/producer.

If that were it, the kiddos would be saying, "Good morning Mr.O'Neal".....

Apache
08-25-2011, 12:46 AM
I know what you said, and I don't think they guy should be teaching when he's been a porn star, gay or not, at the Highschool level and below. What gets me is that some conservatives think they can dictate what people do in their bedroom.

I was also referring to other posts, not just yours

Ummm, is it your "bedroom", when you sell copies ?

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 12:47 AM
I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue it to be okay to have a gay porn star around children, he might be okay but I would not chance any of my nieces and nephews around him.
Has common sense died!

Hey rock - should I be banned from teaching because of my past?

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 12:50 AM
Hey rock - should I be banned from teaching because of my past?

Please don't give me anymore details about your little sex life!:D

fettpett
08-25-2011, 12:54 AM
Ummm, is it your "bedroom", when you sell copies ?

no, but what people watch is their business and porn is a legal business.

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 12:58 AM
no, but what people watch is their business and porn is a legal business.

E.G.W would be so proud of you!

Apache
08-25-2011, 12:59 AM
no, but what people watch is their business and porn is a legal business.

Agreed. However if you put it out there, then you must deal with the aftermath.

Again, I don't think its his history in porn that got him fired....

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 01:01 AM
Please don't give me anymore details about your little sex life!:D

I'm not offering details. You're saying that he should be banned from teaching because of his past - if he were currently engaged in porn making - that's a different story - but there are plenty of people out there who have a past. Is it fair to black ball them over something they did in the past that is not connected to their present?

fettpett
08-25-2011, 01:01 AM
E.G.W would be so proud of you!

:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 01:04 AM
I'm not offering details. You're saying that he should be banned from teaching because of his past - if he were currently engaged in porn making - that's a different story - but there are plenty of people out there who have a past. Is it fair to black ball them over something they did in the past that is not connected to their present?

They have every right to fire him for the reasons stated in the OP. You can never disconnect yourself from the past, make your decisions wisely.

fettpett
08-25-2011, 01:04 AM
Agreed. However if you put it out there, then you must deal with the aftermath.

Again, I don't think its his history in porn that got him fired....

probably not, probably lied about it and did it repeatedly. I'm sure even in FL it's hard to get fired let alone license revoked

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 01:05 AM
probably not, probably lied about it and did it repeatedly. I'm sure even in FL it's hard to get fired let alone license revoked

He was only a sub. You're only safe when you have tenure - and even then you can be furloughed when the budget gets tight.

fettpett
08-25-2011, 01:10 AM
He was only a sub. You're only safe when you have tenure - and even then you can be furloughed when the budget gets tight.

true, but he got his license revoked, which I'm sure is difficult to do unless there is some gross negligence.

PoliCon
08-25-2011, 01:14 AM
true, but he got his license revoked, which I'm sure is difficult to do unless there is some gross negligence.

not sure about the rules on that in fla. each state has their own rules.

Apache
08-25-2011, 01:29 AM
E.G.W would be so proud of you!

WHo?:confused:

fettpett
08-25-2011, 01:31 AM
WHo?:confused:

Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-Day Adventist church.

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 01:32 AM
WHo?:confused:

Edgar G. Whitworth:D

Apache
08-25-2011, 01:47 AM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6Efsl825tHco35asmNSSl0tgH3wxP1 UVFPgIZBy2zhKCfmVer

her?

megimoo
08-25-2011, 02:46 AM
my question is how does gay porn = child molester?

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think he needs to work in the school system, I just don't get the logic that is being used to connect the two

Let me ask a hypothetical question....If an active Male gay had sexual access to a Underage, sexually receptive boy would he turn him down ?..... have there been cases of adult male gays raping young children ?

Are there groups of gays attracted to children for sexual purposes ,NAMBLA comes to mind...In order to be a pedophile,having sex with a young boy, you must be first a homosexual...The homosexual lobby is working, with great diligence, to change the definition of pedophilia. They are at work to make it a socially acceptable condition,as it was in Ancient Rome.. .

Ask Yourself What Is A Male Pedophile :...My definition is an Adult Homosexual who desires sex with small children..The one thing that tempers their lust is that it's a criminal act that lands the perpetrator in jail for a long sentence,..They want to change this and allow free reign to their having sex with children..They like to working through the APA having bullied them,with the help of pro homosexual APA members, into changing the DSM, the working definition of homosexuality, from a defined mental conditional defect to a genetic disorder,the so called, lost gay gene......Perhaps you have read this ?

Conference aims to normalize pedophilia

If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013. Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia.
snip
Child advocate Dr. Judith Reisman, a visiting professor at Liberty University’s School of Law, said the conference is part of a strategy to condition people into accepting pedophiles.

“The first thing they do is to get the public to divest from thinking of what the offender does criminally, to thinking of the offender’s emotional state, to think of him as thinking of his emotional state, [and] to empathize and sympathize,” Reisman said..... “You don’t change the nation in one fell swoop; you have to change it by conditioning.

..... The aim is to get them [pedophiles] out of prison.”......According to Reisman, empirical data show that pedophiles typically molest many children before finally being caught.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/893184/posts

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/#ixzz1W16ZMWgX

Sonnabend
08-25-2011, 03:08 AM
my question is how does gay porn = child molester? It doesn't. Matter of fact, the profile of a child molester is anything BUT.


Let me ask a hypothetical question....If an active Male gay had sexual access to a Underage, sexually receptive boy would he turn him down ?Gay does not mean paedophile and never has.


..... have there been cases of adult male gays raping young children ?The VAST majority have been hetero males and usually people known to the family.


Are there groups of gays attracted to children for sexual purposes ,NAMBLA comes to mind...In order to be a pedophile,having sex with a young boy, you must be first a homosexual..See above.


.My definition is an Adult Homosexual who desires sex with small children.:rolleyes:

Incidentally, just to short circuit MegaMoron, I am not defending paedophiles, I am stating that gay does not mean child molestor. Fact.

megimoo
08-25-2011, 03:30 AM
It doesn't. Matter of fact, the profile of a child molester is anything BUT.

Gay does not mean paedophile and never has.

The VAST majority have been hetero males and usually people known to the family.

See above.

:rolleyes:

Incidentally, just to short circuit MegaMoron, I am not defending paedophiles, I am stating that gay does not mean child molestor. Fact.
Sounds to me as if you have a horse in this race....Sonna_Boob..

lacarnut
08-25-2011, 04:04 AM
Sounds to me as if you have a horse in this race....Sonna_Boob..

:eek: :D

Sonnabend
08-25-2011, 06:30 AM
Sounds to me as if you have a horse in this race....Sonna_Boob..

I come from a family of cops, and they'd know more than you do. Profile for a pedo is usually hetero, familiar with family or related by immediate blood, known to the victim and family, with a history of offences ranging back years.

Homosexuals, whist I do not approve of their political agenda, are virtually never involved in child offences. All I can do is post facts, whilst you can go on and post all the bigotry you like.

Bottom line: The perception that homosexual men are prone to child abuse is utterly false.

megimoo
08-25-2011, 08:44 AM
I come from a family of cops, and they'd know more than you do. Profile for a pedo is usually hetero, familiar with family or related by immediate blood, known to the victim and family, with a history of offences ranging back years.

Homosexuals, whist I do not approve of their political agenda, are virtually never involved in child offences. All I can do is post facts, whilst you can go on and post all the bigotry you like.

Bottom line: The perception that homosexual men are prone to child abuse is utterly false.

Thus Sprach Zarathustra:...Das Übermensch Sprachen,..Ipso facto.

I was under the impression that you were descendant of a long line of male nurses ?

Did You Know:
"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted
that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths
of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are
homosexual."

Sonnabend
08-25-2011, 09:36 AM
Thus Sprach Zarathustra:...Das Übermensch Sprachen,..Ipso facto.

It's "Also sprach Zarathustra". Duh.


I was under the impression that you were descendant of a long line of male nurses ?

You are under a lot of things, underintelligent, undereducated, under the delusion that you know what you are talking about.

fettpett
08-25-2011, 09:52 AM
Thus Sprach Zarathustra:...Das Übermensch Sprachen,..Ipso facto.


Did You Know:
"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted
that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths
of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are
homosexual."

and what does anything you posted have to do with what I asked? Sure there are people out there like NAMBLA, and some in the Psychological world that think it's ok for pedophilia, however that's not the norm, and I find them disgusting.

While there have been a number of high profile cases in the last decade involving gay men, they are still far fewer overall than heterosexual males who molest children both girls and boys.

megimoo
08-25-2011, 10:05 AM
It's "Also sprach Zarathustra". Duh.



You are under a lot of things, underintelligent, undereducated, under the delusion that you know what you are talking about.

Either is correct..Also sprach Zarathustra, Op. 30 (Thus Spoke Zarathustra or Thus Spake Zarathustra)..
Perhaps you're confusing the Strauss music with Nietzsche's words ?

.....Thus Spoke Zarathustra..Friedrich Nietzsche, ....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thus_Spoke_Zarathustra

I believe the correct usage is under intelligent,not underintelligent.So much for your own education..

How is it you've turned into such an angry critter of late..You're developing the personality of a stray,wet Cur..

Perhaps a good bowel movement will take the load from your angry mind ?:D

Novaheart
08-25-2011, 10:21 AM
Guys! PLEASE!



DAMMIT!

There is way more to this story than is written!!! ....

You have a habit of saying that in gay discrimination cases. I don't know if you are aware of that, but you do. It's not an unreasonably cautious view when something seems fishy, but there I don't see anything fishy about this. I see a bunch of self righteous jackasses upset because the kids can google a teacher's stage name and see his naked body. Big damned deal. You could probably find naked pix of a lot of people in the Amen Section if you knew where to look.

txradioguy
08-25-2011, 11:07 AM
I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue it to be okay to have a gay porn star around children, he might be okay but I would not chance any of my nieces and nephews around him.
Has common sense died!

Gay straight or in-between I don't want someone who's been a porn start teaching my kids.

Period.

And you're right...that this is being seriously debated between conservatives as something that might be ok is sad.

lacarnut
08-25-2011, 11:12 AM
You have a habit of saying that in gay discrimination cases. I don't know if you are aware of that, but you do. It's not an unreasonably cautious view when something seems fishy, but there I don't see anything fishy about this. I see a bunch of self righteous jackasses upset because the kids can google a teacher's stage name and see his naked body. Big damned deal. You could probably find naked pix of a lot of people in the Amen Section if you knew where to look.

You have a habit of jumping into threads that describe your perverted fag lifestyle. What is fishy is your support of this queer who lied and violated ethics standards. Not even the ACLU would come to his rescue. With a twisted mind like yours, it would not surprise me if you were a member of NAMBLA.

djones520
08-25-2011, 01:20 PM
Gay straight or in-between I don't want someone who's been a porn start teaching my kids.

Period.

And you're right...that this is being seriously debated between conservatives as something that might be ok is sad.

Go back and reread. No one has said this person should be a teacher. What is being "debated" if you want to even call it that, is the blanket statement that homosexuals are child predators.

And I put debated like that because it's more just people arguing one point, and others saying "well you must be gay then." :rolleyes: Case in point with the previous post. "You disagree with me, so you must molest children."

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Go back and reread. No one has said this person should be a teacher. What is being "debated" if you want to even call it that, is the blanket statement that homosexuals are child predators.

And I put debated like that because it's more just people arguing one point, and others saying "well you must be gay then." :rolleyes: Case in point with the previous post. "You disagree with me, so you must molest children."

Actually that there is more chance but don't let accuracy slow you down.

djones520
08-25-2011, 01:38 PM
Actually that there is more chance but don't let accuracy slow you down.

Not including the posts that you already deleted...


You are f......g right. Don't want these freak teaching children. They can go into 100's of other professions. Same deal as with the military.



Oh, I touched a nerve with queer teachers.


Sounds to me as if you have a horse in this race....Sonna_Boob..


You have a habit of jumping into threads that describe your perverted fag lifestyle. What is fishy is your support of this queer who lied and violated ethics standards. Not even the ACLU would come to his rescue. With a twisted mind like yours, it would not surprise me if you were a member of NAMBLA.

And quite frankly, I'm still pissed at you that you would even say that I don't put my childrens safety before all other things. You must have forgetten that I was molested as a child. So don't even think for a second that I don't have my childrens best interests at heart when it comes to sexual predators.

megimoo
08-25-2011, 01:39 PM
Actually that there is more chance but don't let accuracy slow you down.He won't..

lacarnut
08-25-2011, 01:59 PM
Not including the posts that you already deleted...










And quite frankly, I'm still pissed at you that you would even say that I don't put my childrens safety before all other things. You must have forgetten that I was molested as a child. So don't even think for a second that I don't have my childrens best interests at heart when it comes to sexual predators.

It is better to be pissed off than pissed on. Where did I say or anyone else say that all queers are child molesters. You fail in that regard. As a parent, I hope you teach your kids that any touching by an adult should be reported to you or the authorities. There are a lot of sick bastards out there. I did not find out till years later that my stepson had been molested by a queer Catholic Priest. In case you missed my point or are unable to understand my stance on homosexuals teaching kids, here it is AGAIN. Porn stars and homosexuals are unfit for the teaching profession. That should not be too hard for you to comprehend. I did not elaborate cause I did not want to confuse you.

fettpett
08-25-2011, 02:01 PM
Not including the posts that you already deleted...




And quite frankly, I'm still pissed at you that you would even say that I don't put my childrens safety before all other things. You must have forgetten that I was molested as a child. So don't even think for a second that I don't have my childrens best interests at heart when it comes to sexual predators.

not the only one, hell my kids are homeschooled but it's still something to take into consideration when dealing with not only the general public but family too, which is sad.

Rockntractor
08-25-2011, 02:14 PM
That's all, I deleted those posts for good reason Jones.