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megimoo
09-05-2011, 08:35 AM
Gerhard Schroeder has just called for an end to “national sovereignty” and the creation of a “United States of Europe.” Does anyone else find this sort of talk a bit scary, especially when voiced by a former Chancellor of Germany?
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Among those who doesn’t, apparently, is our Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne. What Schroeder is proposing differs very little from what Osborne was suggesting earlier this summer when he wrote in the Telegraph:

As I’ve said, the eurozone countries need to accept the remorseless logic of monetary union that leads from a single currency to greater fiscal integration. Solutions such as euro bonds now require serious consideration if investors are to be convinced about the long-term future of the currency. A disorderly outcome would be disastrous for everyone, including Britain, so we should allow greater integration to happen, while ensuring we are not part of it and our own national interests are protected....

I agree totally with Osborne that where policy making decisions are concerned, it is a British government’s job to place British interests above all else. But if he honestly believes that the best way to make the nasty problem go away is to sacrifice the entire Eurozone to the political and regulatory strictures of a German-dominated superstate then maybe the history teaching at St Paul’s isn’t quite as brilliant as I’d imagined.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100103211/be-afraid-german-ex-chancellor-demands-united-states-of-europe/

fettpett
09-05-2011, 09:29 AM
wont happen, the EU is a failure. Schroeder probably just wants to make himself relevant again. idiot

Novaheart
09-05-2011, 01:12 PM
Germany, Germany above everything,
Above everything in the world,
When, for protection and defence, it always
takes a brotherly stand together.
From the Meuse to the Memel,
From the Adige to the Belt,
|: Germany, Germany above everything,
Above everything in the world! :|

German women, German loyalty,
German wine and German song
Shall retain in the world
Their old beautiful chime
And inspire us to noble deeds
During all of our life.
|: German women, German loyalty,
German wine and German song! :|

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland!
For these let us all strive
Brotherly with heart and hand!
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the pledge of fortune;
|: Flourish in this fortune's blessing,
Flourish, German fatherland! :|

We could use a little more of that national pride.

lacarnut
09-05-2011, 01:25 PM
The Euro will crumble and the German Mark will once again be their currency. I have a nice collection of old German silver coins.

Nova: We will never ever get any National Pride from the Muslim sympathizer at the W.H. I almost forgot about the left wing liberal anti-American pricks like Soris.

megimoo
09-05-2011, 01:28 PM
Germany, Germany above everything,
Above everything in the world,
When, for protection and defence, it always
takes a brotherly stand together.
From the Meuse to the Memel,
From the Adige to the Belt,
|: Germany, Germany above everything,
Above everything in the world! :|

German women, German loyalty,
German wine and German song
Shall retain in the world
Their old beautiful chime
And inspire us to noble deeds
During all of our life.
|: German women, German loyalty,
German wine and German song! :|

Unity and justice and freedom
For the German fatherland!
For these let us all strive
Brotherly with heart and hand!
Unity and justice and freedom
Are the pledge of fortune;
|: Flourish in this fortune's blessing,
Flourish, German fatherland! :|

We could use a little more of that national pride.

Do you Miss this song?...DAS LIED DER DEUTSCHEN......Deutschland, Deutschland ueber Alles ...

Chuck58
09-05-2011, 01:44 PM
There's something about a German song. The Panzerlied, Erika, Victoria Seig Heil, Mein Guter Kamerad and others. Even not knowing what they're saying, I like them.

lacarnut
09-05-2011, 02:39 PM
The Auf Wiedersehen song played at the train station leaving Berlin prior to the wall coming down brings back good memories.

Odysseus
09-05-2011, 04:08 PM
wont happen, the EU is a failure. Schroeder probably just wants to make himself relevant again. idiot
It's more than a failure, it's a disaster. You cannot have monetary union with 17 different governments setting their own budgets and debts. The divergent credit ratings and fiscal policies has created tiers of creditors and debtors, with Germany, France and the other northern Eurozone nations footing the bill for the more profligate governments of Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. The bailout of Greece is creating a precedent that will force the EU to bail out Italy, and it's only a matter of time before Spain, Portugal or Ireland follows. Since economic failure is rewarded with bailouts, there is no impetus to undertake painful reforms. Without those reforms, which are basically pension and labor austerity and spending reductions, the options are default or bailout, and default returns Europe to the pre-Euro status quo. So, the question is, how long will Germany, France and and the other relatively productive nations put up with bailing out the slackers before their populations, which have been systematically disenfranchised by the European bureaucracy in Brussels, rebels? Anyone for a peacekeeping operation on the French Riviera? :D


...We could use a little more of that national pride.

The reason that the single most affluent, populous nation in Europe signed onto the EU with such a vengeance is that the Germans have had their national identity tainted by two world wars. genocidal dictatorships and violent factionalism. Their solution was to identify with a new political entity, one that didn't have the same baggage, but it has failed. The problems of sovereignty aren't solved by a transnational EU, but exacerbated by it. German nationalism was preceded by the cravenly PC Weimar Republic (which had as many hate speech laws as the current EU), monetary collapse and the desire of restive minority populations for their own national sovereignty. The EU has returned to all of those problems, with none of the remedies that smaller political entities might have to redress them.

Bailey
09-05-2011, 04:14 PM
Oh boy when a German starts talking about a United Europe its time to watch out. lol :D

Odysseus
09-05-2011, 09:24 PM
Oh boy when a German starts talking about a United Europe its time to watch out. lol :D

Today, Europe. Tomorrow, the world? :D

KhrushchevsShoe
09-05-2011, 10:44 PM
Germany has actually become the world's #2 leading exporter because of the EU. Now, I'm not for the European Union but I can definitely see why the Germans would like it.

KhrushchevsShoe
09-05-2011, 10:47 PM
Oh boy when a German starts talking about a United Europe its time to watch out. lol :D

Watch out for that country that has a military pitifully small relative to its global economic standing! Chirst, the Nazi's were a long time ago. Modern Germany is a very different place.

djones520
09-06-2011, 12:06 AM
Watch out for that country that has a military pitifully small relative to its global economic standing! Chirst, the Nazi's were a long time ago. Modern Germany is a very different place.

Dude... notice the use of the smiley? That was a sarcastic comment. :rolleyes:

And FYI, Nazi's weren't involved in Germany's attempt to "unify" Europe during WW1.

Sonnabend
09-06-2011, 08:16 AM
Colonel, the biggest damage to the Germans national identity was a direct result of the Allies stupidity with the Versailles Treaty. Without the vindictive attitude and war reparations, that leather lunged painter would never have come to be. :(

fettpett
09-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Anyone for a peacekeeping operation on the French Riviera? :D



Hell yeah! I'd sign up for that duty :D:D :popcorn: :popcorn:

http://world-traveling.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Antibes.jpg

fettpett
09-06-2011, 09:06 AM
Dude... notice the use of the smiley? That was a sarcastic comment. :rolleyes:

And FYI, Nazi's weren't involved in Germany's attempt to "unify" Europe during WW1.

not only that, but they were the Worlds largest economy prior to WW1, pretty telling that it took UK, France and Russia, with the Help of the US to take them down. (A-H was a side note and pretty pathetic really)

KhrushchevsShoe
09-06-2011, 11:45 AM
Colonel, the biggest damage to the Germans national identity was a direct result of the Allies stupidity with the Versailles Treaty. Without the vindictive attitude and war reparations, that leather lunged painter would never have come to be. :(

I sort of disagree. As mentioned earlier Germany was by all measurements the world's strongest country at the turn of the century. However, much weaker states like Spain and even Belgium had more colonial holdings and international cred. Germany just wanted to be internationally recognized in way that correlated with their economic prowess. They weren't. So they went to war.

This happens a lot.

fettpett
09-06-2011, 06:02 PM
I sort of disagree. As mentioned earlier Germany was by all measurements the world's strongest country at the turn of the century. However, much weaker states like Spain and even Belgium had more colonial holdings and international cred. Germany just wanted to be internationally recognized in way that correlated with their economic prowess. They weren't. So they went to war.

This happens a lot.

there were a whole lot of reasons they went to war, biggest trigger was the idiotic network of secret and not secrete alliances that Europe got involved with.

Sonnabend
09-06-2011, 08:29 PM
KS...your gaping lack of knowledge, not to mention the post was directed to Odysseus, is obvious.