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Apache
09-10-2011, 02:03 AM
With the 10th anniversity of 9/11/01 looming, what does it even mean to be American?

You guys remember the iconic photo of the three FDNY (who were all white) being changed to "multiculturist" crap for a sculpture just a scant few years later...



Do Americans count?


I read a story recently, where FDNY doesn't get space at "ground zero" for this mile-stone. Another story said that one tribute wouldn't be allowed unless all country flags were flown....



It happened HERE! It was TARGETED at us!

Don't WE COUNT?

AmPat
09-10-2011, 02:44 PM
What is American?
Start by excluding liberals and DIMoRATS; anything remaining is probably an American.:cool:

Novaheart
09-10-2011, 04:29 PM
I've never understood all this melodramatic memorial at ground zero hoopla from the start. These people attacked us and cost us thousands of lives and billions and billions of dollars.

All we need is a huge plaque that says, "Vengeance and Victory shall always be ours."

A quadriga would be nice too.

lacarnut
09-10-2011, 07:02 PM
I've never understood all this melodramatic memorial at ground zero hoopla from the start. These people attacked us and cost us thousands of lives and billions and billions of dollars.

All we need is a huge plaque that says, "Vengeance and Victory shall always be ours."

A quadriga would be nice too.

You don't understand shit, boy. So, what else is new. Go stick your head in the sand tomorrow with the rest of your misfit buddies over at DU.

CueSi
09-10-2011, 11:56 PM
You don't understand shit, boy. So, what else is new. Go stick your head in the sand tomorrow with the rest of your misfit buddies over at DU.

Actually, he's proposing something pretty aggressive. . .a Quadriga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadriga) is a Roman Sculpture used to commemorate major military victories.
We don't build aggressive public artwork like that anymore. Obama said he didn't want to spike the football. Nova's not just proposing a football spike, but that coupled with "Vengeance and...."etc. It's a football spike and making out with the head cheerleader while fireworks spelling out your name go off, concluding with a fighter jet flyover.


I've never understood all this melodramatic memorial at ground zero hoopla from the start. These people attacked us and cost us thousands of lives and billions and billions of dollars.

All we need is a huge plaque that says, "Vengeance and Victory shall always be ours."

A quadriga would be nice too.

The bolded (a war memorial) is a good place to include (and you KNOW your fellow travelers on the left would NEVER allow this) but... the need is simple.

People need to mourn ritualistically. It's cathartic.

Plus, I think (for some) it's an attempt to reach for the commonality that characterized the first couple days after. We stopped being Left/Right, Red/Blue, etc for a week after 9/11. I think that's what some people reach for in the ritualistic mourning of that day.

And if there's not much else humans (as a species) do, it's ritualistically mourn. I already wear black for work tomorrow, so . . . yeah.

~QC

Apache
09-11-2011, 01:49 AM
I've never understood all this melodramatic memorial at ground zero hoopla from the start. These people attacked us and cost us thousands of lives and billions and billions of dollars.

All we need is a huge plaque that says, "Vengeance and Victory shall always be ours."

A quadriga would be nice too.

You know, I hate when we agree....:o

Hopefully they got the 1000 ft by tomorrow....:an::cool:

Novaheart
09-11-2011, 10:41 AM
People need to mourn ritualistically. It's cathartic.

~QC

That's true. When my dad died, I remember wishing I were Jewish so I would know what to do and when the period of mourning would be over. I also remembered watching a woman in Ghana scream dance and roll on the ground when the village matron came out of her house and told the woman her mother was dead. It seemed to be much healthier than what I was doing, ie keeping busy, trying not to cry, and trying to be dignified.

BTW, I mentioned you the other evening in conversation (flatteringly, of course) and my mother asked who you are. I said, "She's the woman who taught me that not all Anglo-Saxons are white."

AmPat
09-11-2011, 10:49 AM
Actually, he's proposing something pretty aggressive. . .a Quadriga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadriga) is a Roman Sculpture used to commemorate major military victories.
We don't build aggressive public artwork like that anymore. Obama said he didn't want to spike the football. Nova's not just proposing a football spike, but that coupled with "Vengeance and...."etc. It's a football spike and making out with the head cheerleader while fireworks spelling out your name go off, concluding with a fighter jet flyover.



The bolded (a war memorial) is a good place to include (and you KNOW your fellow travelers on the left would NEVER allow this) but... the need is simple.

People need to mourn ritualistically. It's cathartic.

Plus, I think (for some) it's an attempt to reach for the commonality that characterized the first couple days after. We stopped being Left/Right, Red/Blue, etc for a week after 9/11. I think that's what some people reach for in the ritualistic mourning of that day.

And if there's not much else humans (as a species) do, it's ritualistically mourn. I already wear black for work tomorrow, so . . . yeah.

~QC
Even at my age I'm ashamed to say, the cheer leader part excites me. Thanks for making me feel like a pagan just before church. :mad::o

CueSi
09-11-2011, 11:17 PM
BTW, I mentioned you the other evening in conversation (flatteringly, of course) and my mother asked who you are. I said, "She's the woman who taught me that not all Anglo-Saxons are white."

Awwwww. . . Well, I guess it's true... My parents are working class 1960's Brits w/ a pallet swap. :p


Even at my age I'm ashamed to say, the cheer leader part excites me. Thanks for making me feel like a pagan just before church. :mad::o

ROFL. . .my job here is done. :D

~QC

Lanie
09-12-2011, 12:37 PM
An American is somebody who was born in the United States of America, for better or worse, or richer or pooer, in sickness and in health, do death do them part.

Lanie
09-12-2011, 12:39 PM
I've never understood all this melodramatic memorial at ground zero hoopla from the start. These people attacked us and cost us thousands of lives and billions and billions of dollars.

All we need is a huge plaque that says, "Vengeance and Victory shall always be ours."

A quadriga would be nice too.


While I'm all for getting the terrorists, I'm not for labeling all of a particular type of people as terrorists.

I realize this doesn't apply to you, but the message at mass yesterday was forgiveness (even for them). That means we shouldn't seek revenge. Defend ourselves, yes. Not revenge.

KhrushchevsShoe
09-13-2011, 12:05 AM
We don't build aggressive public artwork like that anymore. Obama said he didn't want to spike the football. Nova's not just proposing a football spike, but that coupled with "Vengeance and...."etc. It's a football spike and making out with the head cheerleader while fireworks spelling out your name go off, concluding with a fighter jet flyover

9/11!!!! FUCK YEA

CueSi
09-13-2011, 12:07 AM
9/11!!!! FUCK YEA

Awww, you're so cute, thinking you're trying to make a point with a sarcasm.

dumbass. . .

~QC

AmPat
09-13-2011, 08:50 AM
9/11!!!! FUCK YEA

I'd like to see what your relatives qould post if you were one of those who jumped out of one of the towers or was sitting on one of the airplanes on 9/11. I bet F*** Yeah would not be among the comments.:mad:
You are a contemptible, vile, disgusting little worm of a man. :vomit:

KhrushchevsShoe
09-13-2011, 12:24 PM
I'd like to see what your relatives qould post if you were one of those who jumped out of one of the towers or was sitting on one of the airplanes on 9/11. I bet F*** Yeah would not be among the comments.:mad:
You are a contemptible, vile, disgusting little worm of a man. :vomit:

What you dont understand is that I was mocking Q who, for all intents and purposes, said the exact thing you're trying to say was vile and contemptible.

AmPat
09-13-2011, 12:54 PM
What you dont understand is that I was mocking Q who, for all intents and purposes, said the exact thing you're trying to say was vile and contemptible.

I have no problem with spiking the football in the face of victory over terrorism or any other enemy. The "F*** Yeahs" I will reserve for our team.:cool:

Wei Wu Wei
09-13-2011, 01:44 PM
Revenge fueled justice is kind of sick. It reminds me of people who enjoy and cheer the idea that criminals get raped in prison. I can just imagine people drooling with excitement over seeing a "bad person" get tortured and dehumanized.

CueSi
09-13-2011, 10:58 PM
What you dont understand is that I was mocking Q who, for all intents and purposes, said the exact thing you're trying to say was vile and contemptible.

If you paid attention, I wasn't making a value judgement. I was just quantifying what Nova proposed into a visual comparison.

Now go fuck yourself. :)

~QC

Rockntractor
09-13-2011, 11:13 PM
Everybody is going nuts!:eek:
It's nice to see we are getting back to normal here.:D