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megimoo
09-15-2011, 05:15 AM
The reform aims to curb gender discrimination

Australians have been given a third choice when describing their gender on passport applications, under new guidelines aimed at removing discrimination.

Transgender people and those of ambiguous sex will be able to list their gender as indeterminate, which will be shown on passports as an X.

People whose gender was different from that of their birth were previously required to have reassignment surgery before they could change their passport to their preferred sex.

An Australian senator, Louise Pratt - whose partner was born female and is now identified as a man - said the reform was a huge step forward.

"There have been very many cases of people being detained at airports by immigration in foreign countries simply because their passports don't reflect what they look like," she told Australian radio.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14926598

Bailey
09-15-2011, 06:16 AM
Well sonna now has the option he's always wanted. :D

megimoo
09-15-2011, 06:31 AM
Well sonna now has the option he's always wanted. :D
......Stand by for the hot verbal slathering .:eek:

Bailey
09-15-2011, 06:43 AM
......Stand by for the hot verbal slathering .:eek:

Sonnaboob can kiss my ASAP. ;)

noonwitch
09-15-2011, 08:56 AM
If you have XY or XYY chromosomes, you are a male, despite whatever way you've altered your appearance.

If you have XX chromosomes, you are a female, even if you have a penis.

Wei Wu Wei
09-15-2011, 09:38 AM
If you have XY or XYY chromosomes, you are a male, despite whatever way you've altered your appearance.

If you have XX chromosomes, you are a female, even if you have a penis.

What about XXY?

What if, like most people, you never undergo genetic testing?

There have been women who were born with a girl's body, raised as a girl, developed as a woman with a woman's body all throughout adulthood. The confusion arose when they could not get pregnant, went to a fertility clinic, underwent tests only to discover they were genetically XY. Because of hormone issues, they got a dose of "female hormones" their entire life, and thus developed physically and socially as as woman.

Let's say someone with a woman's body who was labelled a girl at birth and raised as a girl never gets genetic testing, are they "undetermined" until they get their genes tested?

megimoo
09-15-2011, 01:07 PM
:D Comparison of Transvestism in Australia and America

We stand at the crossroads of gender balanced on the sharp edge of a knife.
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RESULTS
Biographical Data
With regard to the 86 Australians, the mean age of the nuclear transvestites was 38 years (range 21-68) and of the marginal transvestites, 39 (range 23-72). Twenty-four (77%) nuclear transvestites were married and four (13%) had never married. Thirty-nine (71%) marginal transvestites were married and 11 (20%) never married. The remaining subjects were divorced or widowed.

With regard to the 126 Americans, the mean age of the nuclear transvestites was 49 years (range, 29-71) and of the marginal transvestites, 44 (range, 26- 75). Thirty-seven (73%) of the nuclear transvestites were married and 7 (14%) had never married. Fifty (67%) of the marginal transvestites were married and 11 (20%) had never married. The remaining subjects were divorced or widowed.

Characteristics of Feminine Gender Identity Characteristics of feminine gender identity since childhood for subjects are recorded in Table I.

Subjects were recorded as having been called "sissy" if they recalled having been called "sissy" on more than two occasions between the ages of 6 and 12 years. Playmate preference and preference for girls' games such as "dolls, cooking, or sewing" were also recorded for the ages of 6 to 12 years. With regard to the item "wish to have been born a girl," the subject's response was recorded as "often" if he was aware of the wish at least once a week. With regard to the item "feel like a woman," subject's response was recorded as "often" if he felt like a woman more than half the time.

Australian compared to American subjects significantly more frequently preferred girls as playmates (x2 < 0.05, corrected) and wished to have been born girls between the ages of 6 and 12 years (x2 < 0.05, corrected) and between the ages of 13 and 18 years (x2 < 0.01, corrected).

In both groups, the tendency for marginal transvestites as compared to nuclear transvestites to report more items characteristic of a feminine gender identity reached significance (p < 0.05, Sign Test). Significant differences on the individual items pertaining to gender identity for nuclear as compared to marginal transvestite groups are indicated by the footnotes in Table I.

http://www.susans.org/reference/compartv.html

noonwitch
09-15-2011, 01:43 PM
What about XXY?

What if, like most people, you never undergo genetic testing?

There have been women who were born with a girl's body, raised as a girl, developed as a woman with a woman's body all throughout adulthood. The confusion arose when they could not get pregnant, went to a fertility clinic, underwent tests only to discover they were genetically XY. Because of hormone issues, they got a dose of "female hormones" their entire life, and thus developed physically and socially as as woman.

Let's say someone with a woman's body who was labelled a girl at birth and raised as a girl never gets genetic testing, are they "undetermined" until they get their genes tested?



Do you know how rare hermaphodites are? That's not the same as a transexual who is born male or female and then is surgically altered to become the opposite sex. There is a big difference.

Wei Wu Wei
09-15-2011, 02:56 PM
Do you know how rare hermaphodites are? That's not the same as a transexual who is born male or female and then is surgically altered to become the opposite sex. There is a big difference.

Well those are not hermaphrodites but yes it is still very rare.


The point is that there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is a biological concept that has to do with genetics, gender is a social concept that has to do with identity.

The example I described was someone who was biologically "male", but because they were labeled as a girl at birth, viewed themselves as a female, and was treated by everyone as a female, they were thus socially "female".

Odysseus
09-15-2011, 04:10 PM
Well those are not hermaphrodites but yes it is still very rare.

The point is that there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is a biological concept that has to do with genetics, gender is a social concept that has to do with identity.

The example I described was someone who was biologically "male", but because they were labeled as a girl at birth, viewed themselves as a female, and was treated by everyone as a female, they were thus socially "female".

If a child is potty trained in a sandbox and fed a steady diet of Tender Vittles, that doesn't make him a cat, no matter what he may think he is. This kind of gender theory elevates subjective perception over reality.

Sonnabend
09-15-2011, 07:54 PM
Bailey, I could be an alien from another planet with six genders..wouldn't make any difference. Either way, I'd still have more brains than that minuscule cluster of neglected cells that sits between your ears, all alone in the dark and dying from disuse.

megimoo
09-15-2011, 09:03 PM
Bailey, I could be an alien from another planet with six genders..wouldn't make any difference. Either way, I'd still have more brains than that minuscule cluster of neglected cells that sits between your ears, all alone in the dark and dying from disuse.
Not very creative .You could have gone on about his sex life,mother,lineage,lack of beauty,The smell of his breath and feet....:eek:

Odysseus
09-15-2011, 11:51 PM
Not very creative .You could have gone on about his sex life,mother,lineage,lack of beauty,The smell of his breath and feet....:eek:

I'm still trying to picture the six genders. One and two are obvious, three and four are variations on the first two, five is... Ewwww!!!! :vomit:

megimoo
09-16-2011, 01:47 AM
I'm still trying to picture the six genders. One and two are obvious, three and four are variations on the first two, five is... Ewwww!!!! :vomit:Marsupials have pouches within pouches..Who knows how many sex organs...:eek:

Sonnabend
09-16-2011, 05:04 AM
No they do not, and the sex organs are not inside them either.

Bailey
09-16-2011, 08:24 AM
Not very creative .You could have gone on about his sex life,mother,lineage,lack of beauty,The smell of his breath and feet....:eek:


:D

I picture sonnaboob a old stinky miserable recluse. This is all the care I could muster for this waste of sperm.

Odysseus
09-16-2011, 04:41 PM
No they do not, and the sex organs are not inside them either.

The singles scene in Australia must be very interesting. :D

megimoo
09-16-2011, 04:52 PM
No they do not, and the sex organs are not inside them either.

Where do you keep yours ?....I shudder at the thought ....

megimoo
09-16-2011, 05:04 PM
No they do not, and the sex organs are not inside them either.
Levity seems to escape you. I'm well aware the sex organ isn't in the pouch, the teat is .....

Rockntractor
09-16-2011, 05:18 PM
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