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megimoo
09-10-2008, 01:09 PM
Florida will require I.D. match for all would-be voters

The law, passed by the Republican-led legislature in 2005, requires Floridians registering to vote to supply a drivers license number or the last four digits of their social security number.

TALLAHASSEE State elections officials will resume enforcement of a controversial state law that requires Floridians to have their identification match up with a state or federal database in order to register to vote.

Secretary of State Kurt Browning sent notice to the state's 67 supervisors of elections on Friday that the 2006 law, which has been on hold for the last year pending court rulings, would take effect again Sept. 8.

The result is that voters whose identification doesn't match with state files on Election Day will be given a provisional ballot and two days to prove their identity for their ballot to count.

Voting rights activists, who had unsuccessfully challenged the constitutionality of the law, blasted the decision, saying it allows the state to rely on what they consider error-prone databases in the month before voter registration ends on Oct. 6.

"This 11th-hour decision is an ill-advised move to apply a policy the state has never enforced in its current form, at a time when registration activity is at its highest," said Alvaro Fernandez of the Southwest Voter Registration and Education Project, a plaintiff in the case along with the NAACP and the Haitian-American Grassroots Coalition.

Browning acknowledged that the court case prompted the state to make changes to its voter match process during the 2008 legislative session but he said the voting rights proponents are now being sore losers.

''They just don't want to admit the system might just work'' so they are ''loose with the facts,'' he said.

The law, passed by the Republican-led legislature in 2005, requires Floridians registering to vote to supply a drivers license number or the last four digits of their social security number. Proponents of the law say it was needed to prevent voter fraud.

Election officials try to match the would-be voter's information with state and federal databases. If there is no match, the applicant is asked to provide more information.

This year, the legislature changed the law, requiring county elections officials to scan all voter registration applications. Any that don't match will be quickly reviewed by the Bureau of Voter Registration. If there are no typographical errors or other obvious problems, counties will ask voters for more information.



http://www.mcclatchydc.com/254/story/52175.html

PoliCon
09-10-2008, 09:15 PM
They just don't want one of their key voting blocks to be excluded. Everyone knows that the dems count on illegal voters.

megimoo
09-10-2008, 09:21 PM
They just don't want one of their key voting blocks to be excluded. Everyone knows that the dems count on illegal voters.Dead or alive !

FeebMaster
09-10-2008, 10:31 PM
Yeah that'll stop voter fraud.

I still say get rid of the secret ballot all together. Have a big database with your name and your vote listed. Post it on the internet for everyone to see.

PoliCon
09-10-2008, 10:55 PM
nope. a secret ballot is a CITIZENS right.

FeebMaster
09-10-2008, 11:01 PM
nope. a secret ballot is a CITIZENS right.

The hell it is.

PoliCon
09-10-2008, 11:05 PM
The hell it isn't.

FeebMaster
09-10-2008, 11:14 PM
The hell it isn't.

You should be proud of who you vote for. Shout it from the rooftops.

LibraryLady
09-10-2008, 11:27 PM
We require photo ID to vote in Louisiana. In all the elections I have worked we have never had any major problems. One woman whined because she had to walk back out to her car. (Everyone knows everybody here).


Louisiana law requires a picture identification card to vote at the polling place. This can include a Louisiana driver's license, a Louisiana Special ID card, or other generally recognized picture identification card. If you do not have a picture ID card, you may sign an affidavit which will be attached to the precinct register, and you will be required to provide further identification as requested by the Commissioner at the polling place.

PoliCon
09-10-2008, 11:27 PM
You should be proud of who you vote for. Shout it from the rooftops.Your choice. And others have the right to avoid being pressured and attacked for exercising their choice.

FeebMaster
09-10-2008, 11:53 PM
Your choice. And others have the right to avoid being pressured and attacked for exercising their choice.

I disagree. We all pay for your mistakes at the ballot box. If you elect a commie, and oddly enough you will, we all suffer. There should be some accountability.

Plus, it would essentially eliminate voter fraud. No one would be able to say their vote wasn't counted. They could double check and make sure it was.

PoliCon
09-11-2008, 02:15 AM
I disagree. We all pay for your mistakes at the ballot box. If you elect a commie, and oddly enough you will, we all suffer. There should be some accountability.

Plus, it would essentially eliminate voter fraud. No one would be able to say their vote wasn't counted. They could double check and make sure it was.Sir - I have never voted for a commie.

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 07:28 AM
Sir - I have never voted for a commie.

You voted for Bush, didn't you? You're going to vote for McCain aren't you?

Sonnabend
09-11-2008, 07:43 AM
You voted for Bush, didn't you? You're going to vote for McCain aren't you?

1. That's PRESIDENT Bush to you.

2. The President is not and never has been a Communist.

Case closed.

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 08:15 AM
1. That's PRESIDENT Bush to you.

lol


2. The President is not and never has been a Communist.

Well, sure, he doesn't call him self a communist and has probably never been the member of a political party that calls themselves communist, but he's a dirty commie at heart.


Case closed.

I know. I know. It's not communism when we do it.

Strictly speaking, it's more fascist than communist anyway, but I don't like calling Republicans fascists. Liberals are always whining about conservatives being fascists the same way conservatives are always whining about liberals being socialists. True enough, generally, but how many of them have really thought it through? If I were still on DU, I'd be calling all their little commie dreams fascist. Mix things up a bit, you know? I mean really, when it all comes down to it, fascism/socialism/communism, it's all the same to the people with the state's boot on their neck.

Sonnabend
09-11-2008, 08:57 AM
Feeb I am betting you have no idea what the word fascist means, or even where the damned term came from.

PoliCon
09-11-2008, 09:09 AM
Wow. maybe you had best define "commie" and "fascist" so we can all understand your twisted world view.

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 09:27 AM
Wow. maybe you had best define "commie" and "fascist" so we can all understand your twisted world view.

What's to define? You've got the billions of scum who want to use government to control everyone else and then you've got the five or six of us who don't. Does it really matter if the people who take money out of my wallet to pay for _insertfavoritegovernmentprogramhere_ call themselves socialists or communists or conservatives? The end result is the same and if I don't pay, they, or rather the people they've chosen to do their dirty work, will kill me with a smile.



Feeb I am betting you have no idea what the word fascist means, or even where the damned term came from.

That's Mister Feeb to you.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5697/fascesright500zl5.jpg

Shannon
09-11-2008, 09:30 AM
I don't even think Feeb votes. Who gives a shit what he thinks?

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 09:37 AM
I don't even think Feeb votes. Who gives a shit what he thinks?

Good question.

Goldwater
09-11-2008, 09:55 AM
One politician wants your money to pay for base rent, another wants it to fund social security. The differences get smaller every time.


That's Mister Feeb to you.

:D

Sonnabend
09-11-2008, 09:55 AM
You had to google that, didnt you.. I knew it from memory.

And if you aren't going to vote, then you have nothing further to contribute. Fish or cut bait time, Feeb. You have a chance to have a voice in all the things you keep bitching about.

Then when push comes to shove....you can't be bothered. Battles are won by those who show up.

If you dont vote then you have no business commenting over the next four years. More like you will mean Obama wins.

Part of the solution or part of the problem.

Your call.

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 10:18 AM
You had to google that, didnt you.. I knew it from memory.

Well, it's not like I had a picture handy.


And if you aren't going to vote, then you have nothing further to contribute. Fish or cut bait time, Feeb. You have a chance to have a voice in all the things you keep bitching about.

Voting for state worshipper A or state worshipper B hardly equates to having a voice. I could vote for myself I suppose. Combined with the couple of other votes I'm getting that'd make three. Watch out Democrats and Republicans. The feeble ticket is on a roll.

Besides, who's bitching? These elections offer up all kinds of entertainment. The real question is, do I want to see the Democrat elected and watch the Democrats be disappointed that nothing changes while the Republicans are suddenly crying that "government is not the answer" again or do I want the Republican to win and provide us with four more years of their brand of humor? Tough call.


Then when push comes to shove....you can't be bothered. Battles are won by those who show up.

This battle was over before it began.



If you dont vote then you have no business commenting over the next four years.

I disagree. If I vote for Obama and he wins, do I have any business commenting when he makes a mess of things? If I vote Obama and McCain wins, do I have any business commenting when McCain does something? Does being able to say "I voted for the Other Guy, it's not my fault" somehow outweigh "I didn't vote for either of these pinkos?"

Sorry, if you elect an asshole, he's your responsibility.



More like you will mean Obama wins.

And?



Part of the solution or part of the problem.

Your call.

Part of the problem, then. Any day.

Sonnabend
09-11-2008, 10:45 AM
Does being able to say "I voted for the Other Guy, it's not my fault" somehow outweigh "I didn't vote for either of these pinkos?"

Sorry, if you elect an asshole, he's your responsibility.

Saying "I didnt vote" is saying "I like to bitch and moan but dont really want to do anything about it". See your vote plus a lot of others makes a difference.


Part of the problem, then. Any day.

My point is proven.

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Saying "I didnt vote" is saying "I like to bitch and moan but dont really want to do anything about it". See your vote plus a lot of others makes a difference.

It doesn't make a difference, but I think it's cute that you think it does.

So I guess the real thing to do is lie and say you voted for whoever lost. That way you get to legally bitch in the eyes of the voters, but the people who got elected aren't your fault. Then you can blame those lazy non-voters for just not "getting out the vote" and voting for your guy (who you didn't actually vote for of course).

Just another reason we should get rid of secret ballots. We can't have these non-voters lying about voting for people.



My point is proven.

You had a point?

Sonnabend
09-11-2008, 11:10 AM
Just another reason we should get rid of secret ballots. We can't have these non-voters lying about voting for people.

What business is it of yours? You wont vote either way. You remind me a lot of a jerk I work with, he is full of complaints and problems...but no solutions.

He cares enough to complain but not enough to actually do something about it...and then criticises those that do solve things, because "It's not what he thinks is right". Yet when asked for his input...he says he doesnt care. :rolleyes:

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 11:26 AM
What business is it of yours? You wont vote either way.

No, I still wouldn't vote, but I'd show up as not voting in the database. It would affect me the same as it would a voter.


You remind me a lot of a jerk I work with, he is full of complaints and problems...but no solutions.

He cares enough to complain but not enough to actually do something about it...and then criticises those that do solve things, because "It's not what he thinks is right". Yet when asked for his input...he says he doesnt care. :rolleyes:

I have solutions, but they involve less government, so clearly they're not going to get much support on a Republican message board.

Voting doesn't solve anything. At best it presents an aura of legitimacy for the people who get elected, if you believe in that sort of thing. Frankly, I'd like to see voter participation drop from the 50% or so it hovers around now to 10% or less. That'd be great. You could see the president make a speech: "My fellow Americans, the 5% of the eligible voters that elected me show a clear mandate for my policies." hah

Troll
09-11-2008, 10:46 PM
I have solutions, but they involve less government, so clearly they're not going to get much support on a Republican message board.

Why don't you vote third party? You sound like one of the many disenfranchised conservatives that might one day give the Libertarian Party or the Constitution Party a real shot at winning something. Sure, the only difference between the major parties anymore are that one is "tax and spend" and the other is "borrow and spend" - but to not vote at all? Just vote third party and never mind the cheerleaders who try to guilt trip you with this "if you don't vote for McCain, you're voting for Obama" nonsense. That's a cop-out if I've ever heard one.

FeebMaster
09-11-2008, 11:32 PM
Why don't you vote third party? You sound like one of the many disenfranchised conservatives that might one day give the Libertarian Party or the Constitution Party a real shot at winning something. Sure, the only difference between the major parties anymore are that one is "tax and spend" and the other is "borrow and spend" - but to not vote at all? Just vote third party and never mind the cheerleaders who try to guilt trip you with this "if you don't vote for McCain, you're voting for Obama" nonsense. That's a cop-out if I've ever heard one.

Morally: I have no interest in telling people how to live their lives or in delegating the power to do so to someone else.

Practically: It is never going to happen. Ever. The sooner the five or six of you who actually care about liberty get this through your thick skulls, the better.

The Republicans are never going to deliver smaller government to you. You are not going to change the Republican party. Every once in a while, when things look bad for them, they'll trot out someone who looks good and says the right things and you'll all go crawling back to them thinking this time will be different or that you're setting the stage to change things in just another four or eight years. You're fooling yourselves.

The Libertarians are so pathetic it's not even funny anymore. They picked a gun grabbing, drug warrior Republican as their candidate this time around and it will still be mind numbingly shocking if they break half a million votes.

The Constitution Party should whine about Jesus and Christian nations a little more. Maybe if God hears them He can provide the divine intervention it would require for them to beat even the Libertarians.

Bush: 62,028,285
Kerry: 59,028,109

This is what you're up against. 100 million of those will walk into the voting booth and pull either R or D just the way they have their entire life with no thought put into it whatsoever. Most of the other 21 million are going to pull the lever for whoever promises them the most money or looks the nicest. Put up a candidate truly interested in liberty and not more than a handful will vote for him. Freedom is scary and the other guys are offering tax breaks and free health care.

Assume for a moment there's a level playing field. That the ballot access laws aren't stacked against third parties. That the media won't ignore them other than to ridicule them. Now, give me a well reasoned plan on convincing 50 million of those people to vote for a guy that says "I will not increase funding for the Department of Education during my term."

Goldwater
09-12-2008, 10:54 AM
My God you're depressing Feeb. :D

FeebMaster
09-12-2008, 05:18 PM
My God you're depressing Feeb. :D

lol. The truth hurts.

JB
09-12-2008, 06:08 PM
I have solutions, but they involve less government, so clearly they're not going to get much support on a Republican message board.Feel free to elaborate.

FeebMaster
09-12-2008, 06:18 PM
Feel free to elaborate.

Sure. Which problem do you want to solve first?

JB
09-12-2008, 06:25 PM
Sure. Which problem do you want to solve first?I thought maybe we'd start by discussing departments, like:

ATF, Interior, Education, Agriculture

JB
09-12-2008, 06:27 PM
...but I don't really want to jack this thread in that direction. We'll see how it goes.

FeebMaster
09-17-2008, 08:28 AM
...but I don't really want to jack this thread in that direction. We'll see how it goes.

Well it looks like my ray of sunshine killed this thread so...


I thought maybe we'd start by discussing departments, like:

ATF, Interior, Education, Agriculture

What's the problem? They're operating as designed.

Personally, I'd get rid of them.