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IanMartins
09-10-2008, 02:41 PM
Atlanta, GA – Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party nominee for president, has invited GOP Congressman Ron Paul to be his running mate in the upcoming election. In a letter sent to Paul, Barr called Paul one of the “few American patriots” who exist in today’s society, and asked him to “seriously consider this final offer as an opportunity to show true, lasting leadership beyond party politics.”

Barr cited Paul’s 1987 letter to then-GOP Chairman Frank Fahrenkopf, in which Paul stated that, “after years of trying to work through the Republican Party both in and out of government…[Paul] concluded that [his] efforts must be carried on outside the Republican Party.”

Though recognizing Paul’s personal investment in the Republican Party and his recent attempts to reform the party from inside, Barr said he disagreed with Paul’s strategy. “Better options remain that will carry a message of liberty onto the ballot in November and beyond,” Barr stated, adding at a news conference called today at the National Press Club, that “change in politics and public policy in America cannot and will not be done from within the current, two-party system.”

Barr continued, “‘The status quo will not change the status quo’ and impact comes entirely from gaining votes in the General Election.” That is why Barr said he would remain focused on the Libertarian Party’s electoral effort and clear message, and why he invited Paul to join him.

“While you declined my offer to seek the Libertarian presidential nomination many months ago, I ask that you seriously consider this final offer as an opportunity to show true, lasting leadership beyond party politics,” Barr stated in his letter to Paul.

Barr’s running mate, Wayne Allyn Root, expressed support: “As the Libertarian Party vice presidential nominee, I believe in one thing above all else—principle. There can be no compromise on the ideals of limited government, lower taxes, lower spending, and more freedom for the American people. Those are the principles to which I’ve dedicated my life. The GOP and Democratic candidates only give lip service—at best—to these ideals and principles. It is only an act at election time every four years.”

“I want to end the charade once and for all,” Root continued. “I am willing to sacrifice anything to advance the cause of liberty, freedom, smaller government and to enable the American taxpayer to keep more of their own money and property. Understanding Dr. Ron Paul’s reputation and name recognition in the freedom movement, I am willing to step aside as Libertarian vice presidential candidate if he would be willing to take my place. I will pledge to work day and night, just as I have as the vice presidential nominee, to support Dr. Paul. I believe this is a wonderful opportunity for the Libertarian and freedom movements. I encourage Dr. Paul to accept Congressman Barr’s offer. The campaign is making this offer because we believe there is no sacrifice too large when it comes to improving the lives of the American people and American taxpayers.”

Source: http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/09/10/bob-barr-shows-leadership-to-unify-liberty-movement/

It'll be interesting to see if Paul accepts. He probably won't.

Troll
09-10-2008, 02:59 PM
Source: http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/09/10/bob-barr-shows-leadership-to-unify-liberty-movement/

It'll be interesting to see if Paul accepts. He probably won't.

It would be interesting indeed if Paul accepted the VP nod.

As of right now, it appears that McCain boasts a slight lead over Obama, but a Barr/Paul ticket could be a real show-spoiler. I think the Libertarian Party naturally appeals more to disenfranchised conservatives than liberals, and that particular ticket would suck a lot more votes away from McCain/Palin than Obama/Biden, I'm sure.

I vote Libertarian out of principle, but the question now is not whether or not the Libertarians can win the White House; it's more a question of which major party does this work in favor of. I think it helps the Dems, but that's a sacrifice a lot of people are willing to make.

On edit: That might be just the kick the Libertarian party needs to switch its position on a few key issues. I think Ron Paul was interested in fencing the southern border, correct?

Shannon
09-10-2008, 03:25 PM
Oh geez. Heaven help us.

Eyelids
09-10-2008, 03:27 PM
This would cost the GOP Montana and NH.

LibraryLady
09-10-2008, 03:33 PM
Paul maintains my opinion of his sanity - NONE


Instead, Paul will give his seal of approval to four candidates: Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, independent candidate Ralph Nader and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.

New poll for Montana

McCain has lead in new state poll (http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/09/10/news/local/news03.txt)
By CHUCK JOHNSON Missoulian State Bureau



HELENA - Republican John McCain has taken a double-digit lead over Democrat Barack Obama in the presidential race in Montana, a new Rasmussen Reports poll shows.

McCain leads Obama 53 percent to 42 percent, according to the telephone poll of 700 likely Montana voters taken Monday. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. It follows the Republican National Convention, which ended Sept. 4, and the Democratic National Convention, which concluded Aug. 28.

gator
09-10-2008, 03:35 PM
Paul maintains my opinion of his sanity - NONE


New poll for Montana

McCain has lead in new state poll (http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/09/10/news/local/news03.txt)
By CHUCK JOHNSON Missoulian State Bureau

Was there ever really any doubt that Obama would not win Montana?

IanMartins
09-10-2008, 03:35 PM
Oh geez. Heaven help us.

Yes, I wouldn't rule out a second Paulbot invasion just yet. CU might return to its "golden age" of november/december 2007. :p

I sincerely doubt this will happen though. Paul held a press conference today, where he encouraged people to vote for "principled third party candidates" such as socialist Ralph Nader and environmentalist Cynthia McKinney (both were present with him on stage). Paul once again proved his extremely poor sense of judgement. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in this for the money, now... perhaps he doesn't want to endorse either Barr or Baldwin because it would draw the focus away from himself and his money-making Campaign for Liberty.

Eyelids
09-10-2008, 03:36 PM
Paul has a very large amount of support in MT, it was 3rd in fundraising for him and he beat McCain in the primary.

LibraryLady
09-10-2008, 03:39 PM
My son lives in Montana and is a Paulbot but he is not voting for him in November. He is the one who told me about the new poll.
He said Paul did not want to be on the ballot, I have no idea where he got that information.

IanMartins
09-10-2008, 03:43 PM
My son lives in Montana and is a Paulbot but he is not voting for him in November. He is the one who told me about the new poll.
He said Paul did not want to be on the ballot, I have no idea where he got that information.

On Monday, it was announced that Ron Paul will appear on Montana's November ballot as the presidential nominee of the Constitution Party of Montana.

Aklover
09-10-2008, 04:16 PM
This would cost the GOP Montana and NH.


The GOP has carried New Hampshire in recent memory?

Eyelids
09-10-2008, 04:17 PM
The GOP has carried New Hampshire in recent memory?

They have it this year, of course Obama has Iowa and New Mexico.

Aklover
09-10-2008, 04:18 PM
They have it this year, of course Obama has Iowa and New Mexico.



I would not count on New Mexico flipping, awful lot of gun owners and close the border folks there.

Eyelids
09-10-2008, 04:19 PM
I would not count on New Mexico flipping, awful lot of gun owners and close the border folks there.

Obama is kicking the shit out of him in polls, McCain hasn't led against Obama in an NM poll in many months.

Of course you dont listen to those polls, those are the ones that aren't what you want to hear.

LibraryLady
09-10-2008, 04:21 PM
New battle grounds:

Michigan: Obama 49, McCain 45
Missouri: McCain 50, Obama 45
New Hampshire: Obama 51, McCain 45
Virginia: McCain 50, Obama 46

Aklover
09-10-2008, 04:23 PM
Obama is kicking the shit out of him in polls, McCain hasn't led against Obama in an NM poll in many months.

Of course you don't listen to those polls, those are the ones that aren't what you want to hear.

Polls are generally loaded thus bullshit. A cursory glance at the questions and there wording exposes there validity to even the dimmest of people. All this before you get to who they are sampling.

Eyelids
09-10-2008, 04:26 PM
New battle grounds:

Michigan: Obama 49, McCain 45
Missouri: McCain 50, Obama 45
New Hampshire: Obama 51, McCain 45
Virginia: McCain 50, Obama 46

On top of FL, OH, NV, NC (well maybe not anymore), PA, CO and IN.

LibraryLady
09-10-2008, 04:27 PM
Obama is kicking the shit out of him in polls, McCain hasn't led against Obama in an NM poll in many months.

Of course you dont listen to those polls, those are the ones that aren't what you want to hear.

Mason Dixon (well respected pollsters) had him ahead last month:

POLL: Mason-Dixon Southwest States (8/13-15) (http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_masondixon_southwest_stat.php)




Arizona
McCain 47, Obama 41

Colorado
Obama 46, McCain 43

Nevada
McCain 47, Obama 41

New Mexico
McCain 45, Obama 41

Utah
McCain 62, Obama 23
Gov: Huntsman (R-i) 73, Springmeyer (D) 9

Wyoming
McCain 62, Obama 25

Eyelids
09-10-2008, 04:27 PM
Polls are generally loaded thus bullshit. A cursory glance at the questions and there wording exposes there validity to even the dimmest of people. All this before you get to who they are sampling.

That might hold some weight if McCain ever led Obama in the polls, but he hasn't. McCain has lost New Mexico.

Eyelids
09-10-2008, 04:30 PM
I see the Mason Dixon now...

Here are the numbers since May:

CNN/Time 08/24 - 08/26 659 RV 53 40 Obama +13
Rasmussen 08/20 - 08/20 700 LV 48 44 Obama +4
Mason-Dixon 08/13 - 08/15 400 LV 41 45 McCain +4
Rasmussen 07/24 - 07/24 700 LV 49 43 Obama +6
SurveyUSA 06/17 - 06/19 539 LV 49 46 Obama +3
Rasmussen 06/18 - 06/18 500 LV 47 39 Obama +8
SurveyUSA 05/16 - 05/18 600 RV 44 44 Tie
Rasmussen 05/14 - 05/14 500 LV 50 41 Obama +9

PoliCon
09-10-2008, 05:15 PM
Paul has a very large amount of support in MT, it was 3rd in fundraising for him and he beat McCain in the primary. dude - a few big donations does not mean that he'll win the votes.

PoliCon
09-10-2008, 05:17 PM
The GOP has carried New Hampshire in recent memory?Sadly - no. The state is overrun with MASSHOLES. These idiots move out of Mass to get away from the results of their pet policies and advocate for the same policies in NH. lefties are IDIOTS

Zathras
09-10-2008, 07:18 PM
That might hold some weight if McCain ever led Obama in the polls, but he hasn't. McCain has lost New Mexico.

Tell me something Blinky...how could McCain have lost New Mexico IF THE DAMNED ELECTION HASN'T TAKEN PLACE YET?!?!?!?!

LibraryLady
09-10-2008, 07:23 PM
Well I'll be:


Election 2008: New Mexico Presidential Election (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_mexico/election_2008_new_mexico_presidential_election)
McCain Gains Ground in New Mexico
Wednesday, September 10, 2008


For the first time all year, John McCain has topped Barack Obama in a New Mexico poll. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state shows McCain attracting 49% of the vote while Obama earns 47%.

blinky, keep making predictions - you're GOOD!!!:rolleyes:

LibraryLady
09-10-2008, 07:35 PM
Did blinky predict North Dakota? It flipped today too. BIG TIME.


Election 2008: North Dakota Presidential Election (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/north_dakota/election_2008_north_dakota_presidential_election)
McCain Takes Lead in North Dakota
Wednesday, September 10, 2008



Like neighboring Montana, North Dakota has become a lot friendlier to John McCain in the first polling conducted since Sarah Palin was nominated to be the Republican Vice Presidential nominee.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of North Dakota voters shows McCain with a 14-percentage point lead over Barack Obama, 55% to 41%. In early July, the candidates were tied in the state and Obama was looking to the Dakotas and Montana as a way to expand the electoral map for Democrats. Now, the Democratic nominee appears to be more focused on traditional battleground states.

McCain now leads by 22 percentage points among independent voters. In July, Obama had a ten-point advantage among those voters.

submarinepainter
09-10-2008, 08:09 PM
This would cost the GOP Montana and NH.

maybe cost the dems Maine too

Molon Labe
09-10-2008, 08:14 PM
On Monday, it was announced that Ron Paul will appear on Montana's November ballot as the presidential nominee of the Constitution Party of Montana.

How does that work when the Constitution party presidential nominee is Chuck Baldwin? :confused:

IanMartins
09-11-2008, 06:11 PM
How does that work when the Constitution party presidential nominee is Chuck Baldwin? :confused:

Hard to say. Here's the announcement though:
http://home.centurytel.net/amfam/CPOMT/

I figure Baldwin agreed to it since Paul had such a strong following in Montana, and would draw in more votes for the CP than Baldwin would. I'm not sure if those votes will be able to count in favor of Baldwin on the larger scale though.

By the way, there's extreme friction among the Paulbots now. Bob Barr refused to attend Paul's "third party candidate convention" for a variety of sensible reasons, and has published an announcement where he rightfully refers to Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty as a "cult of personality". In the announcement, Barr also praises Bush for his principled leadership in the aftermath of 9/11. The Paulbots are going crazy over this. :p

Read more here: http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/09/11/principled-leadership-in-times-of-crisis/

Speedy
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
This would have meant something had McCain chosen Lieberman or Ridge as VP. Palin has excited the Republicans and moderate Democrats in a way that Barr/Paul would be inconsequential.

IanMartins
09-11-2008, 06:20 PM
Hard to say. Here's the announcement though:
http://home.centurytel.net/amfam/CPOMT/

What the..? If you've got Flash installed on your browser, visit the Constitution Party website linked to above, and tell me if that's what the American Eagle is supposed to sound like. A damned canary? Give me a break. :p