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txradioguy
09-30-2011, 05:05 AM
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SANAA, Yemen – The U.S.-born terror mastermind Anwar al-Awlaki has been killed, Fox News confirms.

Awlaki was killed with several other suspected al Qaeda operatives, the Yemeni defense ministry said. The statement did not elaborate on the circumstances of Awlaki's death.

However, tribal sources told AFP that Awlaki was killed in an air strike which hit two vehicles in Marib province, an al Qaeda stronghold in eastern Yemen early Friday.

The 40-year-old, who was born in New Mexico, was linked to the 2009 Christmas Day "underwear bomber" plot -- a narrowly foiled bid to blow up a passenger jet approaching Detroit.

He was also linked to the failed Times Square bomb attempt in May last year and the November 2009 Fort Hood shooting, in which 13 people were killed by a gunman at the U.S. Army base.

Awlaki was a major target for the U.S. following the Obama administration's authorization last year of CIA and military attempts to kill him.

His death follows an unsuccessful attempt on his life on May 5. In that attack, U.S. aircraft followed and fired missiles at a truck in which the terror boss was traveling.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/30/us-born-terror-boss-anwar-al-awlaki-killed/

newshutr
09-30-2011, 07:00 AM
Cue the liberal hand-wringers that scream that we're killing our own people...
:rolleyes:

txradioguy
09-30-2011, 07:20 AM
Cue the liberal hand-wringers that scream that we're killing our own people...
:rolleyes:

Yeah they were all pissy when Obama said we could kill him...now that he's dead I expect the terrorist loving cheerleaders to be in full throat.

Odysseus
09-30-2011, 07:49 AM
Yeah they were all pissy when Obama said we could kill him...now that he's dead I expect the terrorist loving cheerleaders to be in full throat.

Well, it could've been worse. Imagine if we'd captured him and fed him foods made with trans-fats. :eek::D

SarasotaRepub
09-30-2011, 07:53 AM
And guess what? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2027754)




trumad (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-30-11 07:22 AM
Original message
Make no mistake--as a US Citizen, you can be assassinated by your own Government.


As proven by the assassination of the New Mexico born Anwar al-Awlaki.

txradioguy
09-30-2011, 07:59 AM
And guess what? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2027754)

:rolleyes:

He's not a terrorist that's responsible for deaths of Americans...he's a mis-understood freedom loving American.

Tipsycatlover
09-30-2011, 08:35 AM
And guess what? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2027754)

I expected that as soon as I heard he was offed.

AmPat
09-30-2011, 10:34 AM
trumad (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-30-11 07:22 AM
Original message
Make no mistake--as a US traitor and enemy, you too will be turned into blood mist by your own Government.


As proven by the assassination of the New Mexico born Anwar al-Awlaki. ;)

Novaheart
09-30-2011, 10:45 AM
Al-Awlaki was born in the United States, and at seven years old he and his family returned to Yemen in 1978.[2][24] He then lived in Yemen for 11 years, and studied at Azal Modern School.[54]


This sounds familiar. Wasn't another one of our "domestic" Islamic terrorists with a US citizenship born in the US and then raised in Turkey? Ah, Turkey, the country people name in bold when I demand that they show me an Islamic country where everyone has civil rights and where women, gays, jews, and christians aren't slapped around, locked up, or violently attacked.

Born in Virginia to parents who had moved to the U.S. from a Palestinian town near Jerusalem,[5] Hasan joined the Army while in college and became a psychiatrist at Fort Hood, Texas.

Breitbart Website Warns Of "National Security Threat" Of "Terror Babies"
March 22, 2011 6:54 pm ET — 34 Comments
Following the release of a dubious report on "birth tourism" by the Center For Immigration Studies, Andrew Breitbart's website Big Peace highlighted the study's conclusions that hundreds of thousands of women visiting the United States give birth to babies here each year and that some of them are likely "terror babies" who will eventually use their U.S. citizenship to attack the United States in 20 to 30 years.

Early life, family, and U.S. status
Al-Arian was born in Kuwait, one of five children of Amin and Laila Al-Arian, Palestinian refugees.[6] In 1966, the family moved to Egypt.[7] According to Al-Arian, the government made them leave because his father refused to become an informant for Kuwaiti intelligence.[7]

He was raised in Cairo, Egypt, and has a brother named Khaled Al-Arian.[5][15][16][17][18] His wife's brother, Mazen Al-Najjar, a former University of South Florida engineering instructor, was jailed in the U.S. from 1997 to the end of 2000, on secret evidence that he helped support terrorists through an Islamic research center and charity he founded with Al-Arian. His brother-in-law was deported on August 22, 2002.[19]

He is married to Nahla Al-Arian, and they have five children.[20] His son Abdullah Al-Arian was an intern for U.S. Representative David E. Bonior in 2001.[21] Al-Arian's eldest daughter, Laila Al-Arian, is a producer for Al Jazeera English in Washington, DC, and a freelance journalist and contributor to the Huffington Post[22] and The Nation.[23]

Al-Arian came to the U.S. in August 1975, on an Egyptian passport and a student visa, to attend Southern Illinois University.[1][17][24] He became a permanent resident alien of the U.S. on March 27, 1989.[1][17] On December 30, 1993, he allegedly filed a false application with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service to become a U.S. citizen.[1][17] He was denied U.S. citizenship in 1996.[25]

DumbAss Tanker
09-30-2011, 11:17 AM
Adios, cucaracha!

Odysseus
09-30-2011, 12:38 PM
Al-Awlaki was born in the United States, and at seven years old he and his family returned to Yemen in 1978.[2][24] He then lived in Yemen for 11 years, and studied at Azal Modern School.[54]

This sounds familiar. Wasn't another one of our "domestic" Islamic terrorists with a US citizenship born in the US and then raised in Turkey? Ah, Turkey, the country people name in bold when I demand that they show me an Islamic country where everyone has civil rights and where women, gays, jews, and christians aren't slapped around, locked up, or violently attacked.

That used to be Turkey, but it has changed since the current government came to power. In order to secularize the country, the Young Turk movement had to literally set women who wore the abaya and veil on fire and nail fezs to the tops of men's heads, and even then, the secularization only took hold as long as the cities and the countryside remained apart. Once the rural population followed the jobs to the cities, the cities became hotbeds of Islamist influence. The current government is about to rewrite the Turkish constitution to restore the primacy of Sharia law, and women, gays, Jews and Christians will be the first to suffer.

Tipsycatlover
09-30-2011, 12:48 PM
Turkey's fall to islam is democracy! The people have a vote, they have self-determination. Give the people a vote and don't be surprised if they vote to impose the most violent and radical form of islam there is. It's the way they want it. There and given a half chance, here too.

txradioguy
09-30-2011, 02:24 PM
Well if the DUmmies and Dr. Nuts are worked up into a frenzy over one American terrorist killed in Yemen...wait until they find out it was actually TWO that were killed.


The strike also killed a second U.S. citizen — Samir Khan, the co-editor of an al-Qaeda magazine — and two other unidentified al-Qaeda operatives, the Yemeni government said. But tribal leaders in the area said at least seven people were killed. They identified one of the others as al-Qaeda militant named Salem bin Arfaaj.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/anwar-al-aulaqi-us-born-cleric-linked-to-al-qaeda-killed-yemen-says/2011/09/30/gIQAsoWO9K_story.html


WTF!!! al-Qaeda has a frickin magazine?!!?

Odysseus
09-30-2011, 03:26 PM
Well if the DUmmies and Dr. Nuts are worked up into a frenzy over one American terrorist killed in Yemen...wait until they find out it was actually TWO that were killed.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/anwar-al-aulaqi-us-born-cleric-linked-to-al-qaeda-killed-yemen-says/2011/09/30/gIQAsoWO9K_story.html


WTF!!! al-Qaeda has a frickin magazine?!!?

You mean, besides the NY Times? :D

JB
09-30-2011, 04:08 PM
That's a shame.

namvet
09-30-2011, 05:47 PM
CAIR, Civil Liberties Groups Question Killing of American Militant Without a Trial


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/#ixzz1ZTUqBWTS

newshutr
09-30-2011, 07:19 PM
CAIR, Civil Liberties Groups Question Killing of American Militant Without a Trial


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/#ixzz1ZTUqBWTS

The ACLU already has jumped in as well..:rolleyes:

fettpett
09-30-2011, 07:43 PM
does the word traitor have any meaning to these assholes? Yeah it would be nice to bring them to trial but in this case, oh well

Odysseus
09-30-2011, 10:42 PM
does the word traitor have any meaning to these assholes? Yeah it would be nice to bring them to trial but in this case, oh well

To them, a traitor is someone who stops voting Democratic.

The problem with this is that both sides have a point. The targeting of an American citizen by the US government is an assassination. OTOH, an American who gives aid and comfort to our enemies and takes up arms against the United States has committed treason. So, what are the rules of war and what do they say? Quite a bit, actually. Let's do a quick analysis based on the facts, which are:

The United States Constitution defines treason as giving aid and comfort to our enemies in time of war and levying war against the United States.
The non-state actor known as al Qaeda is in a state of war with the United States. This is mutual, as our congress has authorized the use of force against al Qaeda, its members and any state or persons who harbors them or provides them with material support.
Yemen is ostensibly a neutral country.
A combatant who engages in combat operations within the territory of a neutral country is in violation of the neutrality of that country.
From Yemen, Awlaki maintained communications with agents who have acted on behalf of al Qaeda and engaged in combat operations against America on American soil. These include, but are not limited to:


Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, formerly known as Carlos Leon Bledsoe, Little Rock military recruiting office shooting
Nidal Malik Hasan, the FT Hood shooter
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Christmas Day bomber
Sharif Mobley, who is charged with having killed a guard during a March 2010 escape attempt in Yemen
Paul and Nadia Rockwood, who compiled a hit-list of 15 targets as well as possible methods, including mail bombs and gunshots
Zachary Adam Chesser, AKA Abu Talhah al-Amrikee, threatened the creators of South Park suggesting that they would be killed for depicting Muhammad
Faisal Shahzad, the Times Square bomber
Roshonara Choudhry, a British Muslim woman who attacked MP Stephen Timms with a kitchen knife on May 14, 2010 and stabbed him twice before being subdued.
Barry Bujol, an African-American from Hempstead, Texas, arrested and charged with trying to provide money and equipment to al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
Mohamed Haoud Alessa and Carlos Eduardo Almonte, who were arrested on June 6, 2010 at JFK en route to Somaliafor the purpose of joining "an Islamic extremist group and to kill American troops"


The authorization of the use of force should have been a declaration of war, and Awlaki should have been declared a combatant, charged with treason in absentia and had his citizenship revoked. This would have freed us to engage him with all assets of the United States. Yemen's titular neutrality is also an issue, since he was in hiding there. His presence as a combatant would have been a violation of their neutrality, and if Yemen lacked the means to enforce its neutrality, then the US would be within its rights to target combatants who are abusing that status.Both Bush and Obama have failed to make the case that Awlaki, Nidal Hasan and every other homegrown jihadi is committing treason and should be treated as enemy combatants.

Zathras
09-30-2011, 11:14 PM
And Dr. Nuts plants both feet in mouth.....


Ron Paul condemns 'assassination' of American-born Al Qaeda leader

For most Americans, the death of a terrorist leader bent on killing fellow U.S. citizens is considered a good thing.

On Friday, officials confirmed al-Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, a 40-year-old U.S. citizen, was killed by a missile fired from a U.S. drone.

But GOP Presidential candidate Ron Paul condemned the killing, calling it an "assassination."

"He was born here, Al-Awlaki was born here, he is an American citizen," Paul said.

Al-Awlaki, the man described as the bin Laden of the Internet, has been associated with a number of plots, including the failed Underwear-Christmas Day bomber, and the mail bombs plot last October.

He is also linked to the Time Square bomber and the Ft. Hood shooting attacks.

LINK (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-condemns-assassination-of-american-born-al-qaeda-leader)

Thank god this idiot doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected President.

Odysseus
10-01-2011, 01:13 AM
And Dr. Nuts plants both feet in mouth.....

LINK (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-condemns-assassination-of-american-born-al-qaeda-leader)

Thank god this idiot doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected President.

Especially after that idiocy. I suspect that the next Republican debate is going to either not include Paul or it will be a contest to see who can pile on him the most.

Tipsycatlover
10-01-2011, 08:53 AM
It seems that what caused this controversy is the concept of birthright citizenship and dilution of our citizenship by permitting multiple citizenship.

Out of all the muslim terrorists recently caught or stopped how many were US citizens? All of them. We have had DECADES of enemies of the nation coming here to have American citizen babies to grow up into little terrorist sleeper cells. We have handed out citizenship to those that hate us the worst, like our citizenship comes out of a CrackerJack box.

Start wholesale and multiple trials in absentia, start stripping these enemies of their citizenship. Stop permitting dual citizens to become American citizens.

namvet
10-01-2011, 09:26 AM
for you Ron Paul supporters



Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack.

"No one likes these kind of people, but I also like the rule of law and I like our Constitution, that you don't just target people, assassinate them, someone who has not been charged and you have no proof of anything," Paul told Fox News. "So if we want to protect American citizens from that type of justice, we have to be more cautious."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/#ixzz1ZXJ3OIlC

Tipsycatlover
10-01-2011, 12:07 PM
After all Awlaki's speeches, videos and written works, I wouldn't exactly agree that there is no proof of anything.

Novaheart
10-01-2011, 01:21 PM
CAIR, Civil Liberties Groups Question Killing of American Militant Without a Trial


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/#ixzz1ZTUqBWTS

CAIR is a front for terrorist groups. I can only guess that the reason they still exist in this country is so our intelligence can follow them around and see who they deal with.

Chuck58
10-01-2011, 02:26 PM
And Dr. Nuts plants both feet in mouth.....



LINK (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-condemns-assassination-of-american-born-al-qaeda-leader)

Thank god this idiot doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected President.

The only thing that concerns me is the dimwit has a lot of supporters. I'm seeing otherwise reasonably rational people saying exactly what Paul is saying. They supported the hit until he spoke and instantly changed their tune.

I'm concerned because if Paul makes an independent run, those characters will fall in behind him and maybe cost us the election next year.

djones520
10-01-2011, 02:32 PM
The only thing that concerns me is the dimwit has a lot of supporters. I'm seeing otherwise reasonably rational people saying exactly what Paul is saying. They supported the hit until he spoke and instantly changed their tune.

I'm concerned because if Paul makes an independent run, those characters will fall in behind him and maybe cost us the election next year.

I don't think Paul is that far removed from reality. He could have done the same thing last cycle, but he didn't.

namvet
10-01-2011, 06:21 PM
Feds Warn of Possible Revenge Attacks After American Cleric’s Death



Federal authorities are warning that the killing of American-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in a CIA-led strike on his hideout in Yemen early Friday may trigger revenge attacks inside the United States and against U.S. citizens traveling overseas.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/01/us-issues-worldwide-travel-alert-after-killing-american-terrorist/#ixzz1ZZU6kguu

Rockntractor
10-01-2011, 06:28 PM
Feds Warn of Possible Revenge Attacks After American Cleric’s Death

They always threaten but the thing is they have attacked us many times in the past with no reason.
I say take a few more out just because they threatened.

namvet
10-01-2011, 08:10 PM
They always threaten but the thing is they have attacked us many times in the past with no reason.
I say take a few more out just because they threatened.

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Zathras
10-01-2011, 08:22 PM
GkLXdLgOybE

And cinematic history was made because Harrison Ford was suffering from the trots. :D

fettpett
10-01-2011, 11:47 PM
GkLXdLgOybE

whats funny, is that was a completely improved shot :D

JoeKwonDo
10-02-2011, 12:22 AM
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-30-11 02:27 PM
Response to Original message
31. He was a dick
I'm glad he's dead.



Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-30-11 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. So "dicks" automatically don't have Constitutional rights?
Awful lot of people on DU had better be very afraid if they're ever arrested, then.


:D

newshutr
10-02-2011, 10:25 AM
We only killed the Yemeni half of al-walaki..

Tipsycatlover
10-02-2011, 11:17 AM
We only killed the Yemeni half of al-walaki..

He's all Yemeni. He was born here to Yemeni parents and left when he was 7. If we didn't have stupid laws about birthright citizenship he would never have been a citizen in the first place.

txradioguy
10-02-2011, 04:30 PM
CAIR is a front for terrorist groups. I can only guess that the reason they still exist in this country is so our intelligence can follow them around and see who they deal with.

CAIR is still around because our PC government is too chickenshit to do anything about them.

Please don't have anything in your mouth when you read this...but CAIR has partnered with the FBI on "diversity" issues. All the while carrying a poster on their website telling people NOT to cooperate with the FBI.

They are playing both sides while supporting terrorists and undermining the U.S. from within.

Lanie
10-02-2011, 11:58 PM
And guess what? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2027754)

I believe the military is supposed to go after all threats to the country, foreign and domestic.

Good riddance.

Lanie
10-03-2011, 12:05 AM
They always threaten but the thing is they have attacked us many times in the past with no reason.
I say take a few more out just because they threatened.

They did attack the Navy Seals a while back. :(

It's like I heard a while back, McDonalds didn't shut down because Ray Croc was dead. It's logical to say that if you attack terrorist leaders in a terrorist group, there will be some retaliation. I don't think we should stop though. I do feel badly for the families involved.

Molon Labe
10-03-2011, 09:27 AM
Cue the liberal hand-wringers that scream that we're killing our own people...
:rolleyes:

And cue the conservatives

Go to 7:15 in video for Herman Cain's response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a1_73OyiWQ&feature=youtu.be&t=7m11s

fettpett
10-03-2011, 10:11 AM
And cue the conservatives

Go to 7:15 in video for Herman Cain's response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a1_73OyiWQ&feature=youtu.be&t=7m11s

ah yes...Above Top Secret...guess we got the second strike of the clock from Alex Jones kook network

txradioguy
10-03-2011, 10:14 AM
ah yes...Above Top Secret...guess we got the second strike of the clock from Alex Jones kook network

And people wonder why I say there is little difference between the fans of Dr. Nutz and the Libtards.:cool:

fettpett
10-03-2011, 11:54 AM
And people wonder why I say there is little difference between the fans of Dr. Nutz and the Libtards.:cool:

hahaha

Articulate_Ape
10-03-2011, 12:06 PM
I think what a great many of you are missing here, despite the fact that a piece of shit got handed a dirt nap, are the 5th Amendment and the law of unintended consequences.

Molon Labe
10-03-2011, 01:15 PM
ah yes...Above Top Secret...guess we got the second strike of the clock from Alex Jones kook network

I don't give a crap about Alex Jones.

What is Cains answer to the question about assassinating American citizens. He's against it.

What does his answer to the question have to do with this.

Aren't people concerned with their candidate thinking this way? I mean there are alot of people here who are for him, and criticizing the lefts stance on this.

fettpett
10-03-2011, 01:46 PM
I don't give a crap about Alex Jones.

What is Cains answer to the question about assassinating American citizens. He's against it.

What does his answer to the question have to do with this.

Aren't people concerned with their candidate thinking this way? I mean there are alot of people here who are for him, and criticizing the lefts stance on this.

yes, i know what it is about, but if you'd seen my comment in the other thread that had a link to Jone's stupid ass sites, you would know that I agree with Cain and was saying they were right.

ANY American that is with Al-Qeadia should be brought before a court and charged with Treason.

Molon Labe
10-03-2011, 02:18 PM
yes, i know what it is about, but if you'd seen my comment in the other thread that had a link to Jone's stupid ass sites, you would know that I agree with Cain and was saying they were right.

ANY American that is with Al-Qeadia should be brought before a court and charged with Treason.

I've learned you can find the truth in the damndest places. Like I said, I could give two pisses about Alex Jones. I never knew who he was until 4 or 5 years ago.

Unfortunately it seems the only people who seem to report these things guys like him, cause you won't find the mainstream covering this.

I'm gonna bet that Cain has changed his opinion by next debate. He's on Hannity tonight. Maybe he'll spin this there.

DumbAss Tanker
10-03-2011, 02:30 PM
For everyone who thinks this POS should've been arrested, which US law enforcement agency would that fall to, pray tell? The military, by the way, is explicitly prohibited from being an agency to enforce US civilian laws by the Posse Comitatus Act, and the CIA is also excluded from any such function.

If you are in the field in a foreign country, actively aiding and participating in an armed organization that has declared itself an enemy of the United States, and which is actively conducting warfare against us, your citizenship is immaterial and your ass is fair game.

As far as precedent goes, even within the States, I believe U. S. Grant spent very little effort on trying to arrest the Army of Northern Virginia, and just went straight to killing.

Articulate_Ape
10-03-2011, 02:53 PM
Arrested? No. But shouldn't the Obama administration at least have brought forth their legal argument with evidence and try him in absentia? I am not defending the swine, I am simply concerned about bad precedents being set.

What would happen if Obama or some future president decided unilaterally that the Tea Party was a terrorist organization? I really think people need to consider the unintended consequences here.

Jake Tapper is hardly a Lib and he asked Jay Carney a pretty important question that Obama's lackey wouldn't respond to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6bgwZGZiIo

Odysseus
10-03-2011, 02:57 PM
I think what a great many of you are missing here, despite the fact that a piece of shit got handed a dirt nap, are the 5th Amendment and the law of unintended consequences.
We're not missing it, but there are precedents for this action that are consistent with the Constitutional protections afforded American citizens. As I said before, the Constitution has a strict definition of treason, and once that definition is met, the person who is accused may be subject to trial in absentia (necessitated by the fact that he is overseas, fighting against the United States), and he may be declared to be a combatant in the service of a foreign power. It is not an assassination in the criminal justice sense of the term to kill him while he is engaged in combat operations against the United States. In the military sense of the term, it is an assassination, just as the attempted targeting of enemy leaders in wartime is considered assassination, but it is not illegal under the Geneva Conventions or the other laws governing land warfare. In fact, targeting enemy leaders is often the fastest way to end a conflict.

In short, what needs to happen to satisfy the Constitution is that Awlaki and others like him should be tried for treason in absentia, declared enemy combatants and then blown to the next life. BTW, those jihadis who chose to act under his orders in CONUS, regardless of citizenship, should also be charged with treason, as they are levying war against the United States.

Articulate_Ape
10-03-2011, 03:26 PM
In short, what needs to happen to satisfy the Constitution is that Awlaki and others like him should be tried for treason in absentia, declared enemy combatants and then blown to the next life. BTW, those jihadis who chose to act under his orders in CONUS, regardless of citizenship, should also be charged with treason, as they are levying war against the United States.

I completely agree, Ody. The problem is that this is just what didn't happen in this case. Further, the Obama administration shows no signs of offering any concrete evidence or legal justification before a court. I find that very troubling as it pertains to the power of the Executive going forward.

Molon Labe
10-03-2011, 03:46 PM
We're not missing it, but there are precedents for this action that are consistent with the Constitutional protections afforded American citizens. As I said before, the Constitution has a strict definition of treason, and once that definition is met, the person who is accused may be subject to trial in absentia (necessitated by the fact that he is overseas, fighting against the United States), and he may be declared to be a combatant in the service of a foreign power. It is not an assassination in the criminal justice sense of the term to kill him while he is engaged in combat operations against the United States. In the military sense of the term, it is an assassination, just as the attempted targeting of enemy leaders in wartime is considered assassination, but it is not illegal under the Geneva Conventions or the other laws governing land warfare. In fact, targeting enemy leaders is often the fastest way to end a conflict.

In short, what needs to happen to satisfy the Constitution is that Awlaki and others like him should be tried for treason in absentia, declared enemy combatants and then blown to the next life. BTW, those jihadis who chose to act under his orders in CONUS, regardless of citizenship, should also be charged with treason, as they are levying war against the United States.

I agree with most everything you say in this.

What pains me is how that video AA posted shows how incompetant this administration is at making the case.

Odysseus
10-03-2011, 04:26 PM
For everyone who thinks this POS should've been arrested, which US law enforcement agency would that fall to, pray tell? The military, by the way, is explicitly prohibited from being an agency to enforce US civilian laws by the Posse Comitatus Act, and the CIA is also excluded from any such function.

If you are in the field in a foreign country, actively aiding and participating in an armed organization that has declared itself an enemy of the United States, and which is actively conducting warfare against us, your citizenship is immaterial and your ass is fair game.

As far as precedent goes, even within the States, I believe U. S. Grant spent very little effort on trying to arrest the Army of Northern Virginia, and just went straight to killing.
I agree, but the place where this gets dicey is that Awlaki wasn't technically on a battlefield, as Yemen is a neutral state. Now, you and I both know that their neutrality is, at best, notional, but even if they were scrupulously neutral and simply lacked the resources to locate and detain Awlaki, his presence there as a combatant becomes an issue. If we are going to target combatants in a neutral nation, then we have to deal with the diplomatic issues that arise from that neutrality, and if we can provide documentation to the effect that the person that we are targeting is a combatant who is endangering the neutrality of the host, then our job becomes that much easier.

I completely agree, Ody. The problem is that this is just what didn't happen in this case. Further, the Obama administration shows no signs of offering any concrete evidence or legal justification before a court. I find that very troubling as it pertains to the power of the Executive going forward.
It is troubling, only because it appears that we are violating the neutrality of other countries and executing our own people without due process, but the due process in wartime does not have to be the convoluted, painful civilian process in which the game is to play "gotcha" with the authorities. They goal here is to win the war, and to determine, quickly, whose side the person in question is.

I agree with most everything you say in this.

What pains me is how that video AA posted shows how incompetant this administration is at making the case.

You act is if this case is unique. This administration's general incompetence has simply infected another area.

Tipsycatlover
10-04-2011, 11:15 AM
It's not troubling that Awlaki was killed. It is troubling that so many people were rather he were still alive.

AmPat
10-04-2011, 02:46 PM
Another scumbag dead; earth is improved and Hell has another Demon.:cool:

Odysseus
10-04-2011, 10:29 PM
Another scumbag dead; earth is improved and Hell has another Demon.:cool:

Yes, and that sound that you heard was 72 virgins going "eeeeewwwww...!" :vomit:

Rockntractor
10-04-2011, 10:40 PM
Yes, and that sound that you heard was 72 virgins going "eeeeewwwww...!" :vomit:

Probably ewwwww with husky voices!:D

AmPat
10-05-2011, 10:10 AM
Probably ewwwww with husky voices!:D

HA!:D