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NJCardFan
10-02-2011, 10:40 AM
Logic shows that liberalism is a mental illness. And all I have to do is point out some very obvious facts that simply cannot be disputed. Ready? KK, here it goes:


In the liberal mind...

Convicted murderers......worth protesting and saving

Innocent unborn children...worth protesting but only to kill them

Terrorists and their ideologies....good

U.S. Military aka people who give their lives every day in order to protect their stupidity...bad

Children having sex, adults having sex with children...good

Abstinence....bad

Hard work and determination...bad

Wanting the government to take from someone by force and just handing it over to them...good

God...bad

Atheism so we can do what we want...good

Desecrating religious icons...good

Putting up a nativity scene at Christmas...an abomination

Punishing criminals...bad

charities...bad

Espousing liberal views=open and honest debate and if you speak your liberal mind, you're exercising your Constitutional rights

Espousing conservative views=hate mongering and needs to be silenced

Basically, if you're on the wrong side of anything that makes sense, then you are a liberal.

Tipsycatlover
10-02-2011, 11:09 AM
Countries that feel this way normally don't last very long.

Lanie
10-03-2011, 12:11 AM
Countries that feel this way normally don't last very long.

Uh, Europe?

Rebuttal to the first post coming up as soon as I take my mental health meds. :D

SaintLouieWoman
10-03-2011, 12:16 AM
Uh, Europe?

Rebuttal to the first post coming up as soon as I take my mental health meds. :D

Last time I looked they weren't doing all that well. They can't sustain their liberal policies, hence the economic disruption.

Lanie
10-03-2011, 12:27 AM
In the liberal mind...

Convicted murderers......worth protesting and saving

Because they could be innocent and because some think that killing to teach people not to kill is weird. I've looked at certain court cases where *I* was so sure they were guilty, but the evidence used to convict the person didn't really seem sufficient. One example I was watching on tv the other day was of a preacher who got convicted of killing his wife. The only evidence they had was a witness who was proven to be a liar, his mistress. A cop admitted to coercing her. I think the guy did it, but I don't think that was enough evidence to convict. And THIS is the type of stuff that can get one sent to death row? I don't think so. The death penalty needs to go.


Innocent unborn children...worth protesting but only to kill them

I don't agree with them, but they sort of think the unborn isn't a person. It's not really murder in their mind. BTW, only far leftists are completely pro-choice. Most pro-choicers do not go all the way on this subject.


Terrorists and their ideologies....good

No. Terrorists should be killed. However, if we are doing something to provoke people into becoming terrorists (like trying to control their country or attacking too much), then we need to re-examine our policy. It's called prevention.


U.S. Military aka people who give their lives every day in order to protect their stupidity...bad

I think only far leftists dis the military.


Children having sex, adults having sex with children...good

BULL!!!! That has no basis in fact whatsoever. I don't know what party NAMBLA associates with, but I don't know one person (liberal or conservative) who agrees with them. That's just hatemongering there.


Abstinence....bad

I think it's great, but do masturbate. I don't like people being grouchy because they're not getting any. A lot of conservatives adopt the fundamentalist belief that one shouldn't even masturbate. Uh, whoa!


Hard work and determination...bad

Some of the hardest working people I've ever known were liberals, some were flat out socialists. They worked hard on their political agenda.


Wanting the government to take from someone by force and just handing it over to them...good

It goes up there with forcing somebody to pay for an execution. We all have our opinions about where the tax dollars should go.


God...bad

No. Next?


Atheism so we can do what we want...good

Depends on the atheist.


Desecrating religious icons...good

I'm sure some here would join them if they desecrated a picture of Muhummad. I saw one of those inflammatory pics of him on the American Atheist site the other day (No, I'm not an atheist. I just got curious).


Putting up a nativity scene at Christmas...an abomination

No, but I could see why some wouldn't want their tax money to go toward that in some situations.


Punishing criminals...bad

Examples?


charities...bad

At this point, I don't know where you're getting this stuff.


Espousing liberal views=open and honest debate and if you speak your liberal mind, you're exercising your Constitutional rights

Espousing conservative views=hate mongering and needs to be silenced

Good point, but I've seen it the other way around.


Basically, if you're on the wrong side of anything that makes sense, then you are a liberal.

I think we might have more liberals here than originally believed.

Lanie
10-03-2011, 12:29 AM
Last time I looked they weren't doing all that well. They can't sustain their liberal policies, hence the economic disruption.

I think they're having to reform some. They're not willing to give up their socialist policies though. Last I checked, they were still on the map. The Euro is worth more than our dollar. I think we might be in more trouble.

CueSi
10-03-2011, 01:12 AM
BULL!!!! That has no basis in fact whatsoever. I don't know what party NAMBLA associates with, but I don't know one person (liberal or conservative) who agrees with them. That's just hatemongering there.


I think it's great, but do masturbate. I don't like people being grouchy because they're not getting any. A lot of conservatives adopt the fundamentalist belief that one shouldn't even masturbate. Uh, whoa!



I'm gonna agree with Lanie here. I mean, not even the Old Grey Whore stood behind Roman Polanski's Hollywood clique. Outside of speaking of the biological reality in that our bodies mature MUCH faster than minds and the legal drama that causes out here in civilization - - virtually no one here thinks pederasty/eboaphilia (SP) is awesome and that everyone should try it.

And the latter is just HILARIOUS. We all know that one person who you are convinced is just a good lay (with whom, you don't care. As long as they consented and all parties were legal) away from being normal again.

~QC

Elspeth
10-03-2011, 01:57 AM
In the liberal mind...

Convicted murderers......worth protesting and saving




The Catholic Church believes this also. It is Catholic tradition to call the criminal next to Jesus at the Crucifixion "the thief that stole heaven" because he repented in his last hours. It is traditional Catholic belief that God can always reach a human soul, that all souls are redeemable and that life and death are the province of God (not man). This is why the Catholic Church is officially against capital punishment.


(And before you mention the Inquisition, yeah, yeah I know. But the Catholic theology that informed my training was anti abortion and anti death penalty and for the same reason: killing prevents a human soul from reaching God and salvation.)

fettpett
10-03-2011, 09:19 AM
The Catholic Church believes this also. It is Catholic tradition to call the criminal next to Jesus at the Crucifixion "the thief that stole heaven" because he repented in his last hours. It is traditional Catholic belief that God can always reach a human soul, that all souls are redeemable and that life and death are the province of God (not man). This is why the Catholic Church is officially against capital punishment.


(And before you mention the Inquisition, yeah, yeah I know. But the Catholic theology that informed my training was anti abortion and anti death penalty and for the same reason: killing prevents a human soul from reaching God and salvation.)

yes, but the thief did not escape his sentence. He still excepted his earthly punishment.

Also very ironic that the Catholic Church is against something that they were for even outside of the Inquisition.

Tipsycatlover
10-03-2011, 09:20 AM
Uh, Europe?

Rebuttal to the first post coming up as soon as I take my mental health meds. :D

Europe? Well Europe is going the way of all nations that have become too weak to survive isn't it. It is being taken over by a stronger, more robust and very religious people. Europe is fast becoming Eurabia.

Novaheart
10-03-2011, 10:28 AM
Europe? Well Europe is going the way of all nations that have become too weak to survive isn't it. It is being taken over by a stronger, more robust and very religious people. Europe is fast becoming Eurabia.

I disagree. It's being invaded by ruthless barbarians and has yet to wake up, adapt, and ready itself for the needed action to remove these people and seal the borders. Much like the US. Rats aren't bigger, stronger, or more intelligent than humans, but in great numbers they can kill us and drive us out.

Tipsycatlover
10-03-2011, 10:43 AM
I disagree. It's being invaded by ruthless barbarians and has yet to wake up, adapt, and ready itself for the needed action to remove these people and seal the borders. Much like the US. Rats aren't bigger, stronger, or more intelligent than humans, but in great numbers they can kill us and drive us out.

The ruthless barbarians are going to win. They are stronger. They have a greater will to survive and they believe that God gives them strength and they must prevail for the glory of their God. The Europeans are weak, unable or unwilling to fight for their survival. Perhaps some questioning whether they even have a right to survive. Maybe it's racist! Maybe it's islamophobic to fight back! They have a lot of excuses.

Unless Europe can mount an offensive on the order of the Crusades that threw the Moors out of Cordoba, Europe will become fully islamic in a relatively short time.

NJCardFan
10-03-2011, 03:52 PM
Because they could be innocent and because some think that killing to teach people not to kill is weird. I've looked at certain court cases where *I* was so sure they were guilty, but the evidence used to convict the person didn't really seem sufficient. One example I was watching on tv the other day was of a preacher who got convicted of killing his wife. The only evidence they had was a witness who was proven to be a liar, his mistress. A cop admitted to coercing her. I think the guy did it, but I don't think that was enough evidence to convict. And THIS is the type of stuff that can get one sent to death row? I don't think so. The death penalty needs to go.
Wrong. Executing someone isn't supposed to teach anyone anything. I've always said that if we're going to live by this logic then we should close up prisons and release all inmates because jail sure as hell isn't a deterrent. No, execution is punishing the individual just as a jail sentence is. The rule should be, you kill someone without justification and you get killed right back.


I don't agree with them, but they sort of think the unborn isn't a person. It's not really murder in their mind. BTW, only far leftists are completely pro-choice. Most pro-choicers do not go all the way on this subject.

No, not only far leftists are pro choice. If that were the case then it wouldn't be such a political hot button issue. Same can be said for pro-life people but I digress. The point is that leftists will protest the execution of someone who took another life without justification however will protest their little hearts out for a "woman's right to choose".

No. Terrorists should be killed. However, if we are doing something to provoke people into becoming terrorists (like trying to control their country or attacking too much), then we need to re-examine our policy. It's called prevention.
Again, you must live in a cave because the left has been protesting the war on terror since it's inception. Hell, members of congress have stood on the floor of congress and proclaimed victory for the terrorists. Or did I dream this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDOAmJYFFA


I think only far leftists dis the military.
And there's an awful lot of them who do.



BULL!!!! That has no basis in fact whatsoever. I don't know what party NAMBLA associates with, but I don't know one person (liberal or conservative) who agrees with them. That's just hatemongering there.

And I suppose the ACLU is a far right organization. And as far as sex with children, I hear a good lot defend the actions of teachers who have sex with students right on this very board.


I think it's great, but do masturbate. I don't like people being grouchy because they're not getting any. A lot of conservatives adopt the fundamentalist belief that one shouldn't even masturbate. Uh, whoa!
That's because spilling one's seed is wrong. It's a Biblical thing. However, when it comes to abstinence, the left believe that children should be provided birth control. You probably think this is cool, right? And said birth control should be supplied by the state i.e. the schools. The left also believes that a child should be allowed an abortion without parental consent. Again, you probably agree with this.

Some of the hardest working people I've ever known were liberals, some were flat out socialists. They worked hard on their political agenda.
Uh huh. And your ilk don't like someone who works hard and makes a lot of money. They want that wealth confiscated and distributed to the "poor" in the name of "fairness" or am I dreaming this nonsense in NY...or WeeWee and Krushev's postings here.

It goes up there with forcing somebody to pay for an execution. We all have our opinions about where the tax dollars should go.
So you agree then that I should work the job I do, risking my life, so someone else can live a sedentary life. gotcha.

No. Next?
Um, OK. So I take it "art" that's made from elephant dung into the Blessed Mother and crucifixes in jars of urine not to mention the abolition of God from schools is done by conservatives. Gotcha.

Depends on the atheist.
See the above. And the more God is removed from our society, the worse it's getting. I gues the Biblical prophecies are coming true.

I'm sure some here would join them if they desecrated a picture of Muhummad. I saw one of those inflammatory pics of him on the American Atheist site the other day (No, I'm not an atheist. I just got curious).
Actually, most here wouldn't do that but, as with the idiots who desecrate Christian icons, we would defend their right to do so, however, just because you have a right to do something, should you? It's the same with flag burning.


No, but I could see why some wouldn't want their tax money to go toward that in some situations.
However, these same people have no qualms taking Christmas off from school or other vocations. If it weren't for that Nativity scene, you wouldn't be getting presents on 12/25 every year.

Examples?
http://www.peaceworkmagazine.org/pwork/0304/030425.htm To name one...

At this point, I don't know where you're getting this stuff.
I must clarify. The left believes that charity should be forced. i.e. welfare

Of course I'm speaking in sweeping generalizations but a quick trip to the DUmp will show you that this is the general thinking over there. As for liberals being on the wrong side all the time:

Mumia abu Jamaal
The ACLU
The War on Terror


Just to name 3 biggies.

Wei Wu Wei
10-03-2011, 04:00 PM
lol these are real things njcardfan literally believes

NJCardFan
10-03-2011, 04:02 PM
lol these are real things njcardfan literally believes

Dude, you are the poster child for mental illness. Hell, a psychiatrist can do an entire dissertation on you.

Wei Wu Wei
10-03-2011, 04:18 PM
explain?

NJCardFan
10-04-2011, 09:47 AM
explain?

Wow, but sorry, I don't have that kind of time. I'd be here a month.

Wei Wu Wei
10-04-2011, 12:17 PM
I didn't think this was even worth responding to in a non-joking manner. I'll give it a shot now though.


Logic shows that liberalism is a mental illness. And all I have to do is point out some very obvious facts that simply cannot be disputed. Ready? KK, here it goes:

A good start, makes me think you are just making snarky jokes, or that you view your political identity similar to how people view sport team rivalries.

Some people view politics like a big game where you take sides, cheerlead and put down the 'other team'. I don't really see it that way most of the time.



In the liberal mind...

Convicted murderers......worth protesting and saving

People who are against the death penalty aren't against it because they like criminals or or hate justice or anything like that.

The opposition comes from principles, or maybe you could say philosophy, regarding the role of the state. Many people don't want the government to have the power to kill someone who is strapped to a table. It's one thing if you have an armed gunman or some situation where people's lives are in immediate danger, then the police obviously must do what they have to in order to stop them. However, scheduling to kill a person who is in prison is different.

You may disagree, you may say it's justice, but there is a limit. An eye for an eye goes too far, especially when you want the government to deliver it. If a person rapes someone, in my opinion they are horrible worse than dirt, but a government who sanctions rape is an even worse atrocity. Many people feel this same logic applies to killing someone.




Innocent unborn children...worth protesting but only to kill them

I've never met anyone in my entire life who was "pro-abortion". You know how people cheer when they hear that Texas executes hundreds of people? How would you feel if a crowd cheered when they heard how many abortions were performed? It would be awful, and that's why it doesn't happen.

This is an issue I have some uncertainty about, and it would take a lot of text to explain my thoughts fully, but generally speaking, most pro-choicers feel it comes down to a philosophic question of what constitutes a "Person", and how rights are delegated when there is a conflict between different "types" of person.

It's a tricky discussion, but it's not something to take lightly, or to be happy about.

I hope to see as few abortions as possible, and I also want to respect the rights of women, to make this happen I think we should be funding programs to educate young women about proper family planning, and offering contraceptive options to everyone who wants them.





Terrorists and their ideologies....good

This is just absurd.


U.S. Military aka people who give their lives every day in order to protect their stupidity...bad

Also absurd. There might be some rabid anti-military people but they are extremely rare.

I've got a brother serving right now, I love and respect him immensely.

I'm still opposed to these wars though.




Children having sex, adults having sex with children...good

This is the type of stuff that makes me think this is all a joke to you. This is just ridiculous.



Abstinence....bad

Abstinence is not bad at all.


Hard work and determination...bad

I was born into a poor family in housing projects eating with foodstamps. No one in my family had even a high school education when I was growing up, I had to figure shit out on my own, went to school, worked through my teen years and throughout college, and moved my way up. Hard work is good.




Wanting the government to take from someone by force and just handing it over to them...good

I rely on government supported institutions and infrastructure, as do my family, friends, and community. The next generation of Americans is growing up in a relatively safe and secure place because of all these things. I pay my taxes and I'm happy to do it because I care about people other than myself.




God...bad

Not bad.


Atheism so we can do what we want...good

That's not how atheism works.



Desecrating religious icons...good

Like burning a Qur'an?


Putting up a nativity scene at Christmas...an abomination

Not a big deal at all.



Punishing criminals...bad

There's punishment, and then there is vengeance, bloodlust.

The whole point of the criminal justice system is to protect society as a whole. This is precisely why rehabilitation is a better idea. It makes more sense for society for the state to focus on rehabilitation. Give people structure, discipline, counseling, therapy or spiritual support, work programs and more, so that they come out better than they came in.

When you focus too much on letting out all of your anger on these people, you lose sight of the big picture. The point is to keep society civil. I don't want a thief or a drug addict to go into prison and come out a violent rapist sociopath.





charities...bad

Oh man you know it, I just hate those charities. Whenever I see those jars for the sick kids at store counters I put a piece of paper with "get over it" written on it. That'll show em.



Espousing liberal views=open and honest debate and if you speak your liberal mind, you're exercising your Constitutional rights

Espousing conservative views=hate mongering and needs to be silenced

I want to hear conservative views, I hate echo chambers.



I'm sure there are some things I said here that you will disagree with, and that's fine and I'd be interested in hearing why you disagree, but simply saying "anyone who disagrees with me is STOOPID they have MENTAL ILLNESS" is just juvenile. I know you must be smarter than that.

CueSi
10-04-2011, 09:22 PM
I didn't think this was even worth responding to in a non-joking manner. I'll give it a shot now though.

<snip>


I've never met anyone in my entire life who was "pro-abortion". You know how people cheer when they hear that Texas executes hundreds of people? How would you feel if a crowd cheered when they heard how many abortions were performed? It would be awful, and that's why it doesn't happen.

This is an issue I have some uncertainty about, and it would take a lot of text to explain my thoughts fully, but generally speaking, most pro-choicers feel it comes down to a philosophic question of what constitutes a "Person", and how rights are delegated when there is a conflict between different "types" of person.

<snip>



I don't know, some of the ladies who wear these t-shirts. . .

http://cache.thephoenix.com/secure/uploadedImages/The_Phoenix/News/News_Stories/feat_Abortion_inside.jpg

may disagree. It was sometime ago, but there was an article by a woman who aborted one of her twins simply b/c she didn't want to be a minivan driving mom.

I don't think that's every pro-choicer, but for some, that is how they genuinely are.

Then the people who let Dr. Kermit Gosnell practice, mutilating and killing women and killing babies that had no business being killed.

Yeah, that's my quibble on the left. Already named my quibble on the right.

~QC

Wei Wu Wei
10-04-2011, 09:29 PM
I don't know, some of the ladies who wear these t-shirts. . .

http://cache.thephoenix.com/secure/uploadedImages/The_Phoenix/News/News_Stories/feat_Abortion_inside.jpg

may disagree. It was sometime ago, but there was an article by a woman who aborted one of her twins simply b/c she didn't want to be a minivan driving mom.

I don't think that's every pro-choicer, but for some, that is how they genuinely are.

Then the people who let Dr. Kermit Gosnell practice, mutilating and killing women and killing babies that had no business being killed.

Yeah, that's my quibble on the left. Already named my quibble on the right.

~QC

I've heard stories like that too, I've just never met anyone like that personally in my life. Even the most outspoken pro-choicers don't celebrate it.

Personally I think adoption is far more preferable and safesex/abstinence is even better.

I don't think this is a criticism of "the left" more than it is a criticism of a few messed up people.

If it's not fair to label conservatives as racist because some people show up to a tea party with racist signs, then it's not fair to label people on the left the same way based on a few people.

Rockntractor
10-04-2011, 09:33 PM
I've heard stories like that too, I've just never met anyone like that personally in my life. Even the most outspoken pro-choicers don't celebrate it.

Personally I think adoption is far more preferable and safesex/abstinence is even better.

I don't think this is a criticism of "the left" more than it is a criticism of a few messed up people.

If it's not fair to label conservatives as racist because some people show up to a tea party with racist signs, then it's not fair to label people on the left the same way based on a few people.

The people that showed up with racist signs were leftist plants, old news Weible.

Wei Wu Wei
10-05-2011, 12:08 AM
The people that showed up with racist signs were leftist plants, old news Weible.


hmmm

yes, secret liberal infiltrators, just like i suspected

http://i.imgur.com/rYJmd.jpg

Rockntractor
10-05-2011, 12:14 AM
hmmm

yes, secret liberal infiltrators, just like i suspected

http://i.imgur.com/rYJmd.jpg

No secrets, these allegations of yours were shot down over a year ago when you brought them up.

Lanie
10-05-2011, 04:46 PM
Wrong. Executing someone isn't supposed to teach anyone anything. I've always said that if we're going to live by this logic then we should close up prisons and release all inmates because jail sure as hell isn't a deterrent. No, execution is punishing the individual just as a jail sentence is. The rule should be, you kill someone without justification and you get killed right back.

You do realize what a motive is, right? It's the killer's supposed justification for murdering. So as long as they can justify it, it's cool, right? lol.



Again, you must live in a cave because the left has been protesting the war on terror since it's inception. Hell, members of congress have stood on the floor of congress and proclaimed victory for the terrorists. Or did I dream this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDOAmJYFFA



Okay, I just now noticed that link and I'll look in a minute. Meanwhile, you seem to confuse protesting the war with supporting terrorists. They're different.


And I suppose the ACLU is a far right organization. And as far as sex with children, I hear a good lot defend the actions of teachers who have sex with students right on this very board.

The ACLU has also defended the rights of Christians.

http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights-religion-belief/christian-prisoner-entitled-seek-monetary-damages-violation-his-rel

http://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/aclu-announces-settlement-case-christian-barred-preaching-rhode-island-prison

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-louisiana-files-lawsuit-protect-free-speech-rights-christian-protestor

An example above of defending one's freedom of speech, even if it does offend others.

More examples below of the ACLU helping Christians.

http://www.aclu.org/2008/11/26/just-for-jesus

So it's not like the ACLU is only helping atheists and NAMBLA.

Nonetheless, their stand on NAMBLA is why I'd never join. Their perspective is protecting freedom of speech at all costs. My perspective is that one's freedom of speech stops when it hurts others. NAMBLA can hurt kids, so I think it should be illegal.


That's because spilling one's seed is wrong. It's a Biblical thing. However, when it comes to abstinence, the left believe that children should be provided birth control. You probably think this is cool, right? And said birth control should be supplied by the state i.e. the schools. The left also believes that a child should be allowed an abortion without parental consent. Again, you probably agree with this.

I encourage younger people to refrain from sex because it can cause pregnancy and diseases. However, I'm not naive enough to believe that telling kids to just say no is good enough. I do believe in sex education. I do believe in allowing teenagers to buy condoms at the store. I do believe in letting them get birth control. It beats the crap out of the consequences of teenaged unplanned pregnancy later. Consequences include more teens on welfare because they can't finish school or get a decent job, abortions (and most states have parental consent laws, so you can't just blame it on the idea that they don't), having to go through the heart breaking decision of giving one's baby up for adoption, and other consequences.

So yes, I do believe in arming people with the knowledge and the means to protect themselves from pregnancy and diseases. I DO believe in encouraging abstinence for physical reasons. I don't believe in encouraging it for moral reasons because most adults are not living up to standards. There's nothing worse than a mom or dad saying to wait until marriage while having sex with their partner. If you have room to talk, then preach abstinence until marriage. Otherwise, don't.


Uh huh. And your ilk don't like someone who works hard and makes a lot of money. They want that wealth confiscated and distributed to the "poor" in the name of "fairness" or am I dreaming this nonsense in NY...or WeeWee and Krushev's postings here.

I believe in helping poor people get a chance to straighten out their life, a helping hand.


So you agree then that I should work the job I do, risking my life, so someone else can live a sedentary life. gotcha.

And you believe that I should work hard so I can pay money to execute people.


However, these same people have no qualms taking Christmas off from school or other vocations. If it weren't for that Nativity scene, you wouldn't be getting presents on 12/25 every year.

True.


http://www.peaceworkmagazine.org/pwork/0304/030425.htm To name one...

While people need to be punished for their crimes, we also need to ensure that prisons are places where the prisoners are being treated humanely and made safe. Their sentence is prison. It's not gang rape. It's not being denied religious rights (see ACLU links above). It's not having not so safe food. It's prison.


I must clarify. The left believes that charity should be forced. i.e. welfare

I believe charities are good, but often inefficient. I've seen charities in my area dry up due to lack of funds. I have a question. Should a disabled person who can't get a job rely on charities for the rest of their life? That charity can only do but so much.

NJCardFan
10-05-2011, 09:36 PM
Lanie, thank you for proving me right. I read the first sentence of your rebuttal and stopped reading. You're obviously too dense to have a meaningful conversation.