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JB
09-10-2008, 08:48 PM
mitchum (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 08:04 PM
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Why do the uninformed and/or undecided feel obligated to vote? That's just something I have never quite understood.

Seems like a situation where they have received a free meal coupon from a restaurant that they don't really care for, but they adopt an attitude of "I don't even really like that food, but I've got this coming to me...and buddy I'm gonna use it!"Words just fail me.
firedupdem (423 posts) Wed Sep-10-08 08:33 PM
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3. When I became of age and could vote....I didn't know or give
a hoot as to who or what was on the ballot. My father would tell me who to vote for...he was always voting Democratic thank God or I'd have more things to feel guilty about! Anyway...by the time I was 25 I was totally engaged and looking at the candidates etc. I wish the fuckers who don't care, wouldn't vote. It was save us a lot of trouble....unless they are voting Democratic of courseFrom 18 to 25 you voted but didn't care but you want everyone else that doesn't care to not vote. Got it. Then, you turn 25 (get "engaged" in the process) and ultimately vote the same way you did when you were 18 to 25. Tell you what...save that time getting "engaged" and just do something more productive with that time.
JI7 (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 08:35 PM
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4. the uninformed make up a large percentage of the republican votersMy head hurts. How can anyone say that with a straight face? These people are truly crazy.

Insane in the membrane (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3969423)

ralph wiggum
09-10-2008, 09:07 PM
JI7 (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 08:35 PM
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4. the uninformed make up a large percentage of the DEMOCRAT voters. I mean seriously, we're so blinded by hatred of the Bush cabal, we're completely uninformed on what's going on outside of DU, Raw Story, Olbermann, & AAR

Fixored. .........

sofa king
09-10-2008, 10:19 PM
in the dummie mind uninformed = stupid = anyone that doesn't think like a dummy.

i love how dummies are so against something as simple as presenting id before you vote (you know, as a way of proving you are who you say you are) and so supportive of "intelligence tests", loaded with liberal questions, to decide who does and doesn't get to vote.


in the end they are their own worst enemy. go ahead, continue to attack sarah. attack her family and children. make "lipstick" jokes about pigs.

these things are sure to make you all *happy dance* with your perverted glee, and guaranteed to drive reasonably thinking americans away from your candidate.

keep it up du. well done...

Troll
09-10-2008, 10:29 PM
Why do the uninformed and/or undecided feel obligated to vote? That's just something I have never quite understood.

Actually, I agree. In fact, I think we ought to have a small literacy and political test that you have to satisfactorily complete before you vote so that no uninformed people will even be able to vote. The test will be free of charge to the voter, of course.

After all, if you can't name the 3 branches of government, define 'bicameral legislature', and distinguish between a democracy and a republic, you really don't need to help decide who gets to be president.

sofa king
09-10-2008, 10:42 PM
nope. i have to disagree.

if i am for the second amendment, against abortion and opposed to tax increases, etc. that is about all i need to know about which side to vote for.

it doesn't really matter how the machine is constructed. its "parliamentary procedure" and all.

in reality, it doesn't work like a text book would tell you it does anyway. and you know that.

here's what i know. get more of the good guys in office than bad guys, and i have a shot at paying my bills, feeding my family, and having a future.

its that simple...

FlaGator
09-11-2008, 07:52 AM
mitchum (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 08:04 PM
Original message
Why do the uninformed and/or undecided feel obligated to vote? That's just something I have never quite understood.

Seems like a situation where they have received a free meal coupon from a restaurant that they don't really care for, but they adopt an attitude of "I don't even really like that food, but I've got this coming to me...and buddy I'm gonna use it!"

The uninformed, by definition, do not know that they are uninformed. No one has informed them of the fact that they are uninformed so they vote. Of course, even being informed that one is uninformed does not mean that the uninformed will believed it. Now we have the question, if the uninformed are informed that they are uninformed and the don't accept that they are uninformed are they now wilfully uninformed? Is wilfully uninformed an oxymoron? They are without a doubt woefully uninformed, but either way they still vote. I cite DU and it's members as prime examples of the uninformed being informed that they are uninformed, disregarding the information, remaining uninformed and voting anyways against their best interests because they are wilfully uninformed of what is in their best interests.

... just something to consider.

Goldwater
09-11-2008, 09:06 AM
William Buckley said something similar, people should take an IQ test before they can vote or something.

PoliCon
09-11-2008, 09:13 AM
William Buckley said something similar, people should take an IQ test before they can vote or something. I'd be happy with people having to pass a basic civics test before they are allowed to vote.

Sonnabend
09-11-2008, 09:29 AM
3. When I became of age and could vote....I didn't know or give a hoot as to who or what was on the ballot.

Y'know, speaking as an Aussie...lemme tell you, DUmmie...no one ever told me who to vote for. If they did they'd have gotten an earful. It's..galling...to see the franchise wasted on an idiot who lets someone else tell them what to think...isnt that what you accuse us of?

I have voted in every election without fail, local, mayoral, national, federal. My name is on the jury list..I have never been called, but my name is there. I know the issues, I know what works and what doesnt, and I know who I can vote for, and who is a waste of space.

I will wager that more than 50% of the DUmmies will either vote or forget to vote.

Hopw many times has Australia been branded as "third world", or derided as "backward" by peoiple like you...yet when it comes to civics and social responsiblity and the right to vote..we leave you looking like the apathetic do nothng whingeing morons you are?

There is another election this weekend. In between being tested for possible cancer, blood tests, an echocardiogram and then being back home to do a BTR segment, I will make sure to have voted.

We have a 97 percent turnout rate, and the voters are well informed and know the issues. We meet our local members..I met them yesterday on the way to the train station. know where they stand.


I'd be happy with people having to pass a basic civics test before they are allowed to vote.

I'd be happy to see more than a 50 percent turnout for this election.

PoliCon
09-11-2008, 09:33 AM
I'd be happy to see more than a 50 percent turnout for this election.I'm not sure I can agree. Sure I'd like more people to vote - but votes cast in ignorance get us presidents like carter.

Dan D. Doty
09-11-2008, 10:09 AM
This reminds of the tests they use to force black voters in the south take during the 50's and 60's to keep them from voting.

Is this what the Moonbats want to do again?

Keeping the people whom you hate from voting is not what America is about.

Kimberly
09-11-2008, 11:24 AM
The uninformed, by definition, do not know that they are uninformed. No one has informed them of the fact that they are uninformed so they vote. Of course, even being informed that one is uninformed does not mean that the uninformed will believed it. Now we have the question, if the uninformed are informed that they are uninformed and the don't accept that they are uninformed are they now wilfully uninformed? Is wilfully uninformed an oxymoron? They are without a doubt woefully uninformed, but either way they still vote. I cite DU and it's members as prime examples of the uninformed being informed that they are uninformed, disregarding the information, remaining uninformed and voting anyways against their best interests because they are wilfully uninformed of what is in their best interests.

... just something to consider.

That's a great definition of DU.

FDK
09-11-2008, 01:40 PM
JI7 (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 08:35 PM
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4. the uninformed make up a large percentage of the republican voters
they think they are informed though.

the undecided, independent types make up a group that is mostly unfinformed but they think they are better or above those who are party members. they lack positions on things mostly because they are ignorant of the issues and what is going on in the world but they cover that up by saying they are open minded and listen to all sides.

But all people who vote Dem are informed. Got it.:rolleyes:

LibraryLady
09-11-2008, 02:12 PM
This guy thinks only Dems can have lawn signs!!


YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-11-08 10:41 AM
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My Fundie neighbor has put up a McSame sign in retaliation to my Obama sign
(snip)
I do not wear my political beliefs on my sleeve (save my lawn sign and Obama button as of recently.) I have no intention of damaging their property but I am aching to put up a well written sign in my own lawn with an arrow pointing to their sign (small lawns...)

Any ideas as to what it should say DUers?

Eilise
09-11-2008, 02:29 PM
I do not wear my political beliefs on my sleeve

What a load of BS - all DUmmy's wear their political beliefs on their sleeve. It's why they post at the DUmp.

Carol
09-11-2008, 06:25 PM
4. the uninformed make up a large percentage of the republican voters

Well..........when I was uninformed I voted Democrat....It was when I became informed and well read that I knew the truth and began voting Republican.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

PoliCon
09-11-2008, 07:34 PM
This reminds of the tests they use to force black voters in the south take during the 50's and 60's to keep them from voting.

Is this what the Moonbats want to do again?

Keeping the people whom you hate from voting is not what America is about.It's not about keeping any specific demographic - unless ignorant people are a demographic from voting. But do we really need people voting who think that the president gets to make laws or that that the judiciary gets to make laws?

PoliCon
09-11-2008, 07:39 PM
Well..........when I was uninformed I voted Democrat....It was when I became informed and well read that I knew the truth and began voting Republican.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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GrumpyOldLady
09-12-2008, 06:48 AM
POP Quiz for the DUmpers ... who was 'Chamberlain' and why was he wrong?

If you can answer that, then you are educated enough to vote.

:p

PoliCon
09-12-2008, 10:00 PM
POP Quiz for the DUmpers ... who was 'Chamberlain' and why was he wrong?

If you can answer that, then you are educated enough to vote.

:p
As much as I like your mode of thought - I think American voters need to know American History rather than british. I'm thinking that if you can't answer questions like: Who was president during the American Revolution? Who is the father of the constitution? Who wrote the bill of rights? Which president founded the Democrat party? Which part of government was given the power of the purse?

FlaGator
09-12-2008, 11:19 PM
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-11-08 10:41 AM
Original message
My Fundie neighbor has put up a McSame sign in retaliation to my Obama sign
(snip)
I do not wear my political beliefs on my sleeve (save my lawn sign and Obama button as of recently.) I have no intention of damaging their property but I am aching to put up a well written sign in my own lawn with an arrow pointing to their sign (small lawns...)

Any ideas as to what it should say DUers?

How about writing on it "I wish I had the brains God gave my neighbor!"

Sonnabend
09-13-2008, 12:02 AM
Any ideas as to what it should say DUers?

"Democratic Underground...freedom of speech for me and none for three."

lacarnut
09-13-2008, 12:22 AM
Actually, I agree. In fact, I think we ought to have a small literacy and political test that you have to satisfactorily complete before you vote so that no uninformed people will even be able to vote. The test will be free of charge to the voter, of course.

After all, if you can't name the 3 branches of government, define 'bicameral legislature', and distinguish between a democracy and a republic, you really don't need to help decide who gets to be president.

You are going to disqualify over 80% of the voters if you did that.
How about this:
What is the full name of each candidate for Prez and VP
What state are they from
Name 2 reasons for voting for your candidate other than party affiliation or race.

This series of question would still get rid of a majority of voters.

Troll
09-13-2008, 01:42 AM
You are going to disqualify over 80% of the voters if you did that.

Bingo. :D See, I'm all for letting people vote for whomever they want to represent them in the House...maybe even the Senate, but everyone in the country over 18 getting to vote for president? Ridiculous. If you can't figure out how to get a car in 'D' or how to use a clutch pedal, I don't want you on the highway.


How about this:
What is the full name of each candidate for Prez and VP
What state are they from
Name 2 reasons for voting for your candidate other than party affiliation or race.

This series of question would still get rid of a majority of voters.

I like those (especially the last one), but my format would be like 5 questions, elementary-level Social Studies, multiple choice Scan-Tron, so it will take like 10 seconds to complete, 2 seconds to grade. Something to the tune of:

1. What are the three branches of government?
2. What are the two houses of Congress?
3. What is the difference between a democracy and a republic?
4. How many senators does each state have?
5. What is it called when the president returns a bill to Congress unsigned?

Thank you for completing the Voting Eligibility Determination Exam, please present your completed exam and photo ID to the first available volunteer.

Now I learned most of this in 4th grade, and AFAIK, you have to go to school until at least age 16, never mind that we have a Wikipedia now. If you're 18+ and can't answer these questions, better luck next time.

biccat
09-13-2008, 08:08 AM
What is the full name of each candidate for Prez and VP
Yikes.

I think McCain's middle name is Sidney, and I know BHO. But what are the middle names of Palin and Biden?

LibraryLady
09-13-2008, 09:06 AM
Sarah Louise Heath Palin and Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

linda22003
09-13-2008, 09:11 AM
Her middle name is Louis? And we wonder why she gave her kids weird names. :p

LibraryLady
09-13-2008, 09:13 AM
Louise. Cat sitting on keyboard. :p