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Odysseus
10-18-2011, 10:43 PM
Funny, but I don't remember hearing about a wave of sexual assaults at Tea Party events, and if they had happened, I'm pretty sure that MSNBC would have been all over it.


#OccupyBaltimore Discourages Sexual Assault Victims From Contacting Police, Offers Counseling for Perpetrators
by Derek Hunter

I was in downtown Baltimore Monday morning taking care of some business, so I thought I’d stroll a block over and check out the “Occupy Baltimore” crowd. Well, the word “crowd” might be an overstatement. There were about as many people as there would be homeless people on a normal day, only with tents and literature rather than Starbucks cups for holding spare change. And it’s the literature I found most interesting.

Among the literature I picked up off of their table was one titled “Security Statement.” What it said, and what it implied, was rather disturbing:

As the Security Committee of Occupy Baltimore, we release this statement to ensure the safety of our newly forming, delicate yet strong community.
Sexual abuse and assault are dehumanizing acts for the survivor as well as the abuser. It strips people of their right to safety, dignity, and respect, basic values which embody many of the intentions behind Occupy Baltimore. As a vibrant community, we recognize and give power to these values and the rights of survivors.
OK, saying you’re against “sexual abuse and assault” isn’t controversial, but do you really have to say it? Why isn’t it understood? As it turns out, that’s just the beginning of the weird. The entire “Security Statement” is about sexual assault and abuse.

Sexual abuse or assault at Occupy Baltimore is in violation of our values, and will not be tolerated. It is an explicit policy of Occupy Baltimore to prohibit abuse by any members of the community upon another person. Violation of this policy will result in the abuser no longer being welcome at the occupation.
So sexual abuse or assault are against “explicit policy” and will get you shunned? What about arrested? Those things are crimes, after all. Shouldn’t Occupy Baltimore, like every other group or individual, encourage people to contact the police to get these predators off the street? You’d think so, but you’d think wrong:

Though we do not encourage the involvement of the police in our community, the survivor has every right, and the support of Occupy Baltimore, to report the abuse to the appropriate law enforcement.
So if someone were sexually assaulted, a horrible experience, they wouldn’t be discouraged to contact the police, the “occupy community” would rather handle it internally. That’s just perverse.
The “Reporting Procedure”:

Any member of the Occupy Baltimore community who believes he/she/they have been a victim of, are aware of, or suspect a commission of sexual abuse, are encouraged to immediately report the incident to the Security Committee. T (sic)
The point person for dealing with these situations will be Koala! (sic) Largess, (443) 642-XXXX.
Survivors of Sexual Abuse will be given the support, resources, and assistance needed for their emotional and physical health.
So if you’ve been raped or sexually assaulted, don’t call the police; call someone named “Koala.” You can’t make this up, mostly because women’s groups would be protesting you if you did.
And that’s just side one:

The Occupy Baltimore prohibits retaliation against any member, survivor, or outside person who reports in good faith a complaint of an abuser or who participates in any related inquiries. False accusations of sexual abuse in bad faith can have serious consequences for those who are wrongly accused. Occupy Baltimore prohibits making false and/or malicious sexual abuse allegations, as well as providing false information during an inquiry. Anyone who violates any part of this policy will not be welcome at Occupy Baltimore.
They’re setting up their own court system here, where the ultimate punishment, no matter the severity of the offense, is banishment from a tent city. This is sexual assault we’re talking about here, not taking someone’s cupcake out of their lunch in the fridge.
The last part is “Investigation and Follow-Up”:

Occupy Baltimore’s Security Committee will make every reasonable effort to keep the matters involved in the allegation as confidential as possible while still allowing for a prompt and thorough inquiry. All allegations of abuse will be treated seriously and thoroughly investigated.
If the survivor wishes to involve law enforcement, in order to obtain physical evidence of the assault, you must report the incident within 72 hours or the assault as collection and preservation of evidence is critical. Occupy Baltimore will also work to supply the abuser with counseling resources to deal with their issues.
The Occupy Baltimore Community has a Zero-Tolerance policy for any sexual, physical, or mental abuse of or by a community member.
So allegations of sexual assault will be kept from authorities. They “do not encourage the involvement of the police,” but if you’re gonna do it, do it within 3 days. I don’t know about you, but I’ve seen enough episodes of “Dateline” to know you report these things immediately, not after seeking guidance from the Hippie Council. And, in typical liberal fashion, they offer counseling not only to the victim but the perp as well.
Maybe everyone can join together for a nice drum circle at the end of the day and let bygones be bygones.
It’s rather disturbing that this group of semi-organized (at best) amateurs would set up a parallel, internal system of justice that discourages involving law enforcement like they were their own country. What’s more disturbing is that assault victims might abide by these suggestions, and perpetrators of such a crime could get away with only a shunning by this small group and some counseling.

So, where's the MSM? Are the rights of women (or is it "womyn" when you are dealing with, what, gynecological-Americans?) being violated? For that matter, are the womyn being violated? Shouldn't some feminist group be counter-protesting and demanding an accounting? Beuller? Beuller?

Elspeth
10-18-2011, 11:05 PM
Is this really true? Has any mainstream source reported on it?

Odysseus
10-18-2011, 11:27 PM
Is this really true? Has any mainstream source reported on it?

Yes, and very few. Here's the link to Breitbart's columnist, who broke the story:

http://biggovernment.com/dhunter/2011/10/18/occupybaltimore-discourages-sexual-assault-victims-from-contacting-police-offers-counseling-for-perpetrators/#more-353488

Yahoo News had a video, but that's pretty much it for mainstream sources. Here is a link to the original flyer: http://biggovernment.com/files/2011/10/occupy-bmore-front2.jpg

txradioguy
10-19-2011, 01:56 AM
Is this really true? Has any mainstream source reported on it?

The MSM is too busy portraying this Soros funded insurrection as a grassroots movement that is "resonating" with average Americans.

Reverend Resist We Much is down there showing he's down for the struggle and Donnie Deutch is too busy encouraging them to have another Kent State moment to report on such trivial things as this.

Tipsycatlover
10-19-2011, 08:50 AM
In the world of the deluded liberals rapists are just misunderstood and in need of therapy. The victims are not understanding the motivations of someone else or how they might be suffering themselves. Give the victim sympathy and it will all be better.

Odysseus
10-19-2011, 09:05 AM
In the world of the deluded liberals rapists are just misunderstood and in need of therapy. The victims are not understanding the motivations of someone else or how they might be suffering themselves. Give the victim sympathy and it will all be better.

It depends on the rapist. If the rapist is a member of the Duke LaCross team, then he's a monster (even if the charges turn out to be false), but if the rapist is a member of a "special" victim group, then they get a pass because the movement is more important than any one victim. This is why the media has suppressed the stories of sexual assaults, kidnappings and rapes of female peace activists who go to Gaza and the West Bank.

fettpett
10-19-2011, 09:29 AM
what a bunch of pussies, grow some balls OWS and drag the prep kicking and screaming to the cops and make sure the victim gets to a hospital so they can do a rape kit and make sure the cops are notified. :vomit:

Tipsycatlover
10-19-2011, 09:58 AM
what a bunch of pussies, grow some balls OWS and drag the prep kicking and screaming to the cops and make sure the victim gets to a hospital so they can do a rape kit and make sure the cops are notified. :vomit:

It would make the movement look bad.

fettpett
10-19-2011, 09:59 AM
It would make the movement look bad.

it would give them some credibility....but noooo....they can't do anything with the "man" :rolleyes:

noonwitch
10-19-2011, 11:56 AM
Extremists on the left truly believe that if violent criminals are exiled from society and allowed to live in the wild, that is enough to stop them from hurting more people.


There is a novel by Starhawk called The Fifth Sacred Thing. It describes a future in which all of the USA is under control of christian dominionists, except San Francisco. The SF of the novel is a hippie paradise, and a conservative hell. Reading this book is required in some wiccan circles.

Bailey
10-19-2011, 01:53 PM
Extremists on the left truly believe that if violent criminals are exiled from society and allowed to live in the wild, that is enough to stop them from hurting more people.


There is a novel by Starhawk called The Fifth Sacred Thing. It describes a future in which all of the USA is under control of christian dominionists, except San Francisco. The SF of the novel is a hippie paradise, and a conservative hell. Reading this book is required in some wiccan circles.

Sounds like a good world to live in, the non SF part of the world I mean.


Do these poor deluded wiccans really believe this shit? I know a women who believed that stuff,suffice it to say she was a nut.

DumbAss Tanker
10-19-2011, 02:05 PM
Extremists on the left truly believe that if violent criminals are exiled from society and allowed to live in the wild, that is enough to stop them from hurting more people.

This was a recurring plot bit in Heinlein's writing, and his novella 'Coventry' is devoted to it. Heinlein's vision is a lot closer to what really faces us than any possibility of a repressive Christian theocracy.

fettpett
10-19-2011, 02:19 PM
This was a recurring plot bit in Heinlein's writing, and his novella 'Coventry' is devoted to it. Heinlein's vision is a lot closer to what really faces us than any possibility of a repressive Christian theocracy.

it's Ironic when libs take Heinlein's work and think he's promoting liberal ideals, particularly Stranger in a Strange Land and then turn it into some dumbass religion

Odysseus
10-19-2011, 02:20 PM
Extremists on the left truly believe that if violent criminals are exiled from society and allowed to live in the wild, that is enough to stop them from hurting more people.


There is a novel by Starhawk called The Fifth Sacred Thing. It describes a future in which all of the USA is under control of christian dominionists, except San Francisco. The SF of the novel is a hippie paradise, and a conservative hell. Reading this book is required in some wiccan circles.

Wiccans have required reading? Who knew?

Bailey
10-19-2011, 02:20 PM
it's Ironic when libs take Heinlein's work and think he's promoting liberal ideals, particularly Stranger in a Strange Land and then turn it into some dumbass religion

He slowly changed his view to a more conservative outlook later in life.

fettpett
10-19-2011, 02:25 PM
He slowly changed his view to a more conservative outlook later in life.

while true, by the time he wrote Stranger in a Strange Land in 1961 he had stopped considering himself a Liberal and stopped his affiliation with the Democrat party (which he'd done in 1954)

bijou
10-19-2011, 02:31 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio (CBS Cleveland) – An “Occupy Cleveland” protester tells police she was raped in her tent over the weekend.

Cleveland police are investigating an alleged sexual assault incident Saturday at the “Occupy Cleveland” rally involving a 19-year-old female student from Parma.

According to police reports, the 19-year-old student was instructed by “Occupy Cleveland” personnel to “share a tent with the suspect due to a shortage of tents.” The suspect identified himself as “Leland” to the woman. The woman told police that after she had thought the suspect went to sleep in his own bed, she slept in a sleeping bag provided to her by the rally.



The student went to school Monday and told a teacher about her sexual assault incident in Public Square — which is being classified as “kidnapping/rape” — prompting the teacher to immediately contact the authorities. ...http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

That policy doesn't seem to be terribly effective.

noonwitch
10-19-2011, 03:11 PM
while true, by the time he wrote Stranger in a Strange Land in 1961 he had stopped considering himself a Liberal and stopped his affiliation with the Democrat party (which he'd done in 1954)


But that's the book the hippies used to base a religion upon, The Church of All Worlds. They used to publish a magazine called The Green Egg. The best thing about the GE, other than the semi-pornographic artwork, was the reader's forum. There was a great, on-going letter war between Patricia Keneally and those who think they are in contact with the spirit of the Lizard King. If you know anything about wicca and/or the Morrison cult....Keneally might be crazy, but she's also a member of MENSA and knows how to express a clever insult. And only she has a direct spiritual connection to Jim, no other posers do! They were handfasted in a civil ceremony! They had a love no one else can understand, because it spans many lifetimes!

The people who founded CAW also raised and sold goats that somehow had only one horn, and they sold them as "unicorns". Of course, they live in California.

bijou
10-19-2011, 04:13 PM
Occupy Events Nationwide Marred by Reports of Sexual Harassment, Assault

John on October 19, 2011 at 2:04 am

The Occupy movement has a serious, nationwide problem with sexual harassment, assault and even alleged rape. While local media has dutifully reported on these incidents, the national media hasn’t noticed the problem. As you’ll see, there is even evidence that some Occupy outposts are subtly discouraging the reporting of assaults to police.

Let’s begin with this report of sexual harassment at Occupy Oakland in yesterday’s Oakland Tribune:

City officials said Tuesday they may have to shut down the Occupy Oakland tent city in coming days because it is attracting rats, alcohol and illegal drug use…

This comes on the heels of increasing reports of illegal drug and alcohol abuse, fighting, and sexual harassment in and around the camp of about 100 tents, Boyd said. ...

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=30928

DumbAss Tanker
10-19-2011, 04:23 PM
RAH was always far more a Libertarian than a Liberal. He eventually became kind of an over-the-top Libertarian, when he got to Stranger in a Strange Land and later works.

NJCardFan
10-19-2011, 06:51 PM
Funny how the left accuse the Tea Parties of being a fringe, violent, terrorist organization and their movement to be peaceful and non-aggressive. Reminds me of 1984. You remember, where the Ministries of Peace, Love, and Truth were all in fact the opposites of what they were called. The Ministry of Truth's purpose was to re-write history and spin the news in the favor of Oceana. The Ministry of Peace was the war department, and the Ministry of Love, well, that's where room 101 was so you do the math.