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Wei Wu Wei
10-19-2011, 11:01 AM
In several polls, the results are the same: OWS has far more support than the Tea Party, which has generally negative net favorability

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/occupy-d-c-most-back-protests-surtax-20111018

59% of people support OWS


CNN Opinion Research Poll (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/03/29/rel4l.pdf) This poll shows the Tea Party has 32% of the public supporting it and 47% viewing it negatively.


This Time poll shows the same picture: http://swampland.time.com/full-results-of-oct-9-10-2011-time-poll/
54% Viewed OWS positively, 23% viewed OWS negatively, net rating at +31%
27% viewed Tea Party positively, 33% viewed Tea Party negatively, net rating at -6%


Also, in a poll done in conjunction with the conservative-leaning Wall Street Journal:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/October_Poll.pdf

37% favor, and 18% oppose the Occupy Wall Street protesters : net of +19%
28% favor and 41% oppose the Tea Party: net of -13%

http://i.imgur.com/VUfXT.png



People keep talking about the protesters as if they represent the tiny extreme fringe, when in reality, the majority of Americans tend to support them, FAR more than the Tea Party.

Rockntractor
10-19-2011, 11:10 AM
Who would have thought the left would poll that way.:confused::rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
10-19-2011, 11:14 AM
Who would have thought the left would poll that way.:confused::rolleyes:

You're saying the public leans left?

Molon Labe
10-19-2011, 11:15 AM
This may be because the movement, whether it wants it that way or not, is predominantly about people wanting something. I think the tea party had more to do with people who wanted to be left alone.

there are always more who would want a handout.

Not saying that is the whole movement, but the lowest common denominators always outnumber the rest.

Molon Labe
10-19-2011, 11:22 AM
You're saying the public leans left?

Well...at least the ones showing up at the protests tend to do..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4

I'd say judging by what Kokesh has been investigating, that many of them just lean "stupid".

Tipsycatlover
10-19-2011, 11:28 AM
Most people really don't care what the OWS crowd has to say.

nightflight
10-19-2011, 11:28 AM
Not surprising, since the lying, leftist, in-the-tank-for-Obama media did all it could to paint the Tea Party in the worst light, (calling them violent, racist, extremist, terrorists, etc. while lauding OWS, which is filled with violent rhetoric and antisemitism.

Starbuck
10-19-2011, 11:33 AM
Plenty of varying results, it seems:


PRINCETON, NJ -- Less than half of Americans express an opinion about either the Occupy Wall Street movement's goals or the way it has conducted its protests. Those with an opinion are more likely to approve than disapprove.

But if you simply do not report those who have no opinion, then presto!, you have strong support!

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/zqya_vvb-u2u24vnpmyivq.gif

Rockntractor
10-19-2011, 11:37 AM
You're saying the public leans left?

Your sources and their viewers do.

marv
10-19-2011, 11:50 AM
In several polls, the results are the same: OWS has far more support than the Tea Party, which has generally negative net favorability

People keep talking about the protesters as if they represent the tiny extreme fringe, when in reality, the majority of Americans tend to support them, FAR more than the Tea Party.

I guess this means that the majority of the public favor theft, rape, public exhibitionism in front of children, defecating in public, and leaving all sorts of trash and filth on public property.

What say you, Wee Wee? Is this the second coming of the French Revolution?

Articulate_Ape
10-19-2011, 01:17 PM
You're saying the public leans left?

No, the state-run media outlets doing the polling you cited do. The public decidedly leans center/conservative according to most independent research (http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx). The cognitive dissonance of the Left remains intact.

DumbAss Tanker
10-19-2011, 02:09 PM
"We'll see."

:popcorn:

MrsSmith
10-19-2011, 07:32 PM
Despite tons of positive media coverage, something the TEA party never had, the public is coming to recognize that the OWS is nothing more than a bunch of spoiled brats whining for a free ride. There's a reason they are mostly college age, or at least not mentally mature... :D

marinejcksn
10-19-2011, 09:31 PM
Wei: Do you honestly believe the OWS crowd is truly the "99 Percent"?

Personally, I feel the GOP was too harsh in the beginning. Arguements against Wall Street greed have a lot in common with Tea Party protests against Big Government...in that they both fed off one another, Big Wall Street and Big Government. Where the OWS movement jumped the shark was with the "bring down Capitalism" threads.

Personally Wei, I can't believe you'd fall for the lie of the Left or the Right: it's all designed to make us bicker amongst ourselves while the Government pimps continue business as usual. It's a 1 party system with 2 card monte, mostly.

MrsSmith
10-19-2011, 09:36 PM
Wei: Do you honestly believe the OWS crowd is truly the "99 Percent"?

Personally, I feel the GOP was too harsh in the beginning. Arguements against Wall Street greed have a lot in common with Tea Party protests against Big Government...in that they both fed off one another, Big Wall Street and Big Government. Where the OWS movement jumped the shark was with the "bring down Capitalism" threads.

Personally Wei, I can't believe you'd fall for the lie of the Left or the Right: it's all designed to make us bicker amongst ourselves while the Government pimps continue business as usual. It's a 1 party system with 2 card monte, mostly.

Let us profoundly hope the TEA party voted in enough conservative freshmen to start turning things around.

marinejcksn
10-19-2011, 09:43 PM
Let us profoundly hope the TEA party voted in enough conservative freshmen to start turning things around.

I wished so...but highly doubtful, in the House at least. Two-thirds of the Tea Party freshmen have already been co-opted by that idiot Boehner and the Good-ol boys. :mad:

marv
10-19-2011, 11:33 PM
Politics is a messy and dirty business, but better co-opted by the TEA folks than the OWS children!

txradioguy
10-20-2011, 01:46 AM
Wei: Do you honestly believe the OWS crowd is truly the "99 Percent"?




Yes he does.

AmPat
10-20-2011, 08:02 AM
Who would have thought the left would poll that way.:confused::rolleyes:

I guess that explains the massive @$$ whipping the left took in the 2010 elections. Must have been all that OWS crowd out there voting.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Wei Wei is drinking the Kool Aid again.

Tipsycatlover
10-20-2011, 08:26 AM
Tea Party protests have nothing to do with Wall Street greed.

Constitutionally Speaking
10-20-2011, 09:46 AM
In several polls, the results are the same: OWS has far more support than the Tea Party, which has generally negative net favorability

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/occupy-d-c-most-back-protests-surtax-20111018

59% of people support OWS


CNN Opinion Research Poll (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/03/29/rel4l.pdf) This poll shows the Tea Party has 32% of the public supporting it and 47% viewing it negatively.


This Time poll shows the same picture: http://swampland.time.com/full-results-of-oct-9-10-2011-time-poll/
54% Viewed OWS positively, 23% viewed OWS negatively, net rating at +31%
27% viewed Tea Party positively, 33% viewed Tea Party negatively, net rating at -6%


Also, in a poll done in conjunction with the conservative-leaning Wall Street Journal:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/October_Poll.pdf

37% favor, and 18% oppose the Occupy Wall Street protesters : net of +19%
28% favor and 41% oppose the Tea Party: net of -13%

http://i.imgur.com/VUfXT.png



People keep talking about the protesters as if they represent the tiny extreme fringe, when in reality, the majority of Americans tend to support them, FAR more than the Tea Party.



Gee, the media has only spent two years demonizing the Tea Party, and has all but given oral sex to the OWS movement** , who'd have thunk that the misinformed and the ignorant would hold such opinions.




**as of right now at least, the couple of dozen case of actual oral sex are unconfirmed

noonwitch
10-20-2011, 01:10 PM
Neither have my support if they are blocking traffic, or the entrance to a restaurant from which I'm picking up lunch.

Odysseus
10-20-2011, 01:41 PM
Ah, more BS from Wei. I can't speak to the CNN poll, but Time's poll, which had similar results, also had a few extra aces in the deck http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/flawed-poll-occupy-wall-st-vs-tea-party:


Flawed poll on Occupy Wall St vs. Tea Party byPhilip Klein Senior Editorial WriterFollow on Twitter:@PhilipAKleinLiberals are touting a new Time magazine poll purporting to show that twice as many people have a favorable view of Occupy Wall St. than the Tea Party. "Americans favor Occupy Wall Street far more than Tea Party," the Washington Post's Greg Sargent beamed in a headline. To Sargent's credit, he acknowledged that the Tea Party has been around far longer, which clearly affects the results. But the problem with the poll goes far beyond that. Just take a closer look at how the questions were worded.

First, here's the question on Occupy Wall St.:


Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?
This states the views of the Occupy Wall St. crowd in as sympathetic a way as possible -- even most conservatives and libertarians opposed the Wall St. bailout and the type of crony capitalism that comes with mixing money and politics. This is not the controversial aspect of Occupy Wall Street.

Yet here's how the Tea Party question is phrased:


Q8. ON ANOTHER ISSUE, IS YOUR OPINION OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE TEA PARTY TO HAVE AN OPINION?
So, while the "Occupy Wall Street" question is phrased in a sympathetic manner, the Tea Party question just mentions the name "Tea Party," which has been associated with partisan fighting for over two years now. Had pollsters approached the Tea Party question in the same way as the Occupy Wall Street one, they may have written something such as: "Do you support the movement that opposes the Wall Street bailouts, thinks Washington has gotten too big and powerful, and wants to lawmakers to respect America's founding Constitutional principles?" That clearly would have made respondents view the Tea Party more favorably. Given the biased way the questions were phrased in the Time poll, it's no surprise that 54 percent viewed Occupy Wall Street favorably, compared with just 27 percent who said they viewed the Tea Party favorably. A survey by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling asked much more straight forward questions, and the numbers were much closer. "Do you support or oppose the goals of the Occupy Wall Street movement?" PPP asked, and 35 percent indicated support, while 36 percent said they opposed the goals. Asked the same of the Tea Party movement, 39 percent supported it compared to 45 percent who opposed it. On a head-to-head question, "Do you have a higher opinion of the Occupy Wall Street movement or the Tea Party movement?" 40 percent chose Occupy Wall Street compared with 37 percent who chose the Tea Party. I'd predict as more people get to know the Occupy Wall Street movement, it will become less popular. But either way, it simply isn't fair to say that it's currently twice as popular as the Tea Party.

In other words, it's a push poll for the OWS crowd. And, given the degree to which the media has masked the more repellent aspects of OWS, such as the sexual assaults, anti-semitism and Marxism, these numbers reflect, not support, but ignorance of the OWS movement. Had responders been presented with the results of the poll of OWS protesters in Zuccoti Park, they would have been far less sympathetic http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html?m od=rss_opinion_main:


Yet the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people—and particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform.

The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies. On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.

Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).

An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote.

Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party.

What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).

Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal. That's why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.

So, the media has done it's best to obscure what OWS is and what it stands for, but as time goes on, it will be harder for them to keep a lid on it.

Tipsycatlover
10-20-2011, 07:00 PM
Oh yeah, these people really look supportive!

http://mrctv.org/videos/occupy-wall-street-disrupts-restaurant-spout-pro-union-demands

SarasotaRepub
10-20-2011, 08:11 PM
Well...at least the ones showing up at the protests tend to do..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4

I'd say judging by what Kokesh has been investigating, that many of them just lean "stupid".


I watched that whole thing...:rotfl: Greyt find!!!!

AmPat
10-21-2011, 08:23 AM
"Civil liberties are a limitations on Democracy?":confused: These are our best and brightest?:eek:

AmPat
10-21-2011, 08:34 AM
The over stupid and under brained.:rolleyes::cool:

Tipsycatlover
10-21-2011, 09:29 AM
The shitters are wearing out their welcome

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/zuccotti_neighbors_stop_dumping_mc4A6o0HMOuuvkyb4k IU3J


They’re defecating on our doorsteps,” fumed board member Catherine Hughes, a stay-at-home mom who lives one block from the protest. “The cowbells start at 4 a.m. and the drumming goes past 10 a.m. A lot of people are very frustrated. A lot of people are concerned about the safety of our kids.”

Fed-up homeowners said they’ve been insulted and harassed as they trek to their jobs each morning. “The protesters taunt people who are on their way to work,” said James Fernandez, 51.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_neighbors_stop_dumping_mc4A6o0HMOuuvkyb4k IU3J#ixzz1bQGiSvBw

Gee openly harassing people who go to work every day! Who would ever have thought that would happen?

FBIGuy
10-22-2011, 12:00 PM
I only believe polls that support my position. The rest are full of shit.

newshutr
10-22-2011, 12:45 PM
Most of these jackasses aren't occupying as much as they're just taking up space.

Odysseus
10-22-2011, 03:45 PM
:confused: These are our best and brightest?:eek:
No, they are the left's best and brightest. Our best and brightest are taxpayers.

Most of these jackasses aren't occupying as much as they're just taking up space.
Maybe if they occupied themselves, they'd be less likely to occupy someone else's property?

The shitters are wearing out their welcome

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/zuccotti_neighbors_stop_dumping_mc4A6o0HMOuuvkyb4k IU3J


They’re defecating on our doorsteps,” fumed board member Catherine Hughes, a stay-at-home mom who lives one block from the protest. “The cowbells start at 4 a.m. and the drumming goes past 10 a.m. A lot of people are very frustrated. A lot of people are concerned about the safety of our kids.”

Fed-up homeowners said they’ve been insulted and harassed as they trek to their jobs each morning. “The protesters taunt people who are on their way to work,” said James Fernandez, 51.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_neighbors_stop_dumping_mc4A6o0HMOuuvkyb4k IU3J#ixzz1bQGiSvBw

Gee openly harassing people who go to work every day! Who would ever have thought that would happen?

Anyone who ever dealt with these idiots? :D

Tipsycatlover
10-22-2011, 03:55 PM
In New York the park is now referred to as The Big Stink.

It doesn't exactly show support does it?