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Odysseus
10-27-2011, 02:08 PM
Army Knowledge Online, the Army's portal, has rotating photos on the login page. Today, this was one of them with the caption as presented:


https://www.us.army.mil/suite/photo/ako-400-20111027-user2011102704.jpg

U.S. Army Maj. Maria Rodriguez, female engagement team leader for Task Force Arctic Wolves, and Air Force Capt. Leslee Kane, female engagement team leader with the Zabul Provincial Reconstruction Team, stand with female Afghan police members near Kabul, Afghanistan. (Photo by Pvt. Andreka Johnson, 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division Public Affairs)
This raises some questions:

How backwards and Medieval does a country have to be if the female cops can't go out without burqas for fear of being stoned?
If presumably armed female officers have to wear duffel bags in order to protect themselves, what hope does the average Afghan woman have?
What authority will these women have over men who run afoul of the law?
Is the Afghan version of Charlie's Angels going to truly suck, or what?

marv
10-27-2011, 04:35 PM
.........show me your badge........!

Rockntractor
10-27-2011, 04:44 PM
Army Knowledge Online, the Army's portal, has rotating photos on the login page. Today, this was one of them with the caption as presented:


https://www.us.army.mil/suite/photo/ako-400-20111027-user2011102704.jpg

U.S. Army Maj. Maria Rodriguez, female engagement team leader for Task Force Arctic Wolves, and Air Force Capt. Leslee Kane, female engagement team leader with the Zabul Provincial Reconstruction Team, stand with female Afghan police members near Kabul, Afghanistan. (Photo by Pvt. Andreka Johnson, 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division Public Affairs)
This raises some questions:

How backwards and Medieval does a country have to be if the female cops can't go out without burqas for fear of being stoned?
If presumably armed female officers have to wear duffel bags in order to protect themselves, what hope does the average Afghan woman have?
What authority will these women have over men who run afoul of the law?
Is the Afghan version of Charlie's Angels going to truly suck, or what?

How odd, one of our members says it's a wonderful Muslim country that has lots of womans rights.:confused:

djones520
10-27-2011, 04:59 PM
How odd, one of our members says it's a wonderful Muslim country that has lots of womans rights.:confused:

Whose that?

Rockntractor
10-27-2011, 05:05 PM
Whose that?

I'm trying to think who it was, something about good Muslims........it will come to me.

djones520
10-27-2011, 05:06 PM
I'm trying to think who it was, something about good Muslims........it will come to me.

I'd be interested to know who'd be dumb enough to say something like that about Afghanistan.

fettpett
10-27-2011, 05:08 PM
I'd be interested to know who'd be dumb enough to say something like that about Afghanistan.

Linda or Noon i believe....

djones520
10-27-2011, 05:11 PM
Linda or Noon i believe....

I don't think that's who Rock is talking about. If it is who I think he's talking about, he's way off his mark, by a few countries.

Rockntractor
10-27-2011, 05:13 PM
I don't think that's who Rock is talking about. If it is who I think he's talking about, he's way off his mark, by a few countries.

I see, wrong stan muh man!:D

fettpett
10-27-2011, 05:22 PM
I don't think that's who Rock is talking about. If it is who I think he's talking about, he's way off his mark, by a few countries.

ah...well I didn't know for sure...thought I'd seen one of them make comments on that subject.

JB
10-27-2011, 05:29 PM
Crap. I only see the dreaded red x.

djones520
10-27-2011, 05:30 PM
Crap. I only see the dreaded red x.

Yeah, Ody has had issues with that today. :p

Odysseus
10-27-2011, 10:09 PM
Yeah, Ody has had issues with that today. :p

I can see it with no trouble. I wonder if you have to have the DOD certificate to view it.

djones520
10-28-2011, 08:13 AM
I can see it with no trouble. I wonder if you have to have the DOD certificate to view it.

I can see it here at work, so yeah that might be it.

Btw... Go Air Force. :p

Odysseus
10-28-2011, 09:49 AM
I can see it here at work, so yeah that might be it.

Btw... Go Air Force. :p

I used to say that all the time at Balad: "Go Air Force, and do some details for a change." :D

djones520
10-28-2011, 10:01 AM
I used to say that all the time at Balad: "Go Air Force, and do some details for a change." :D

One of the things I love about being in the AF. When we're stationed at Army bases, we'll get some of your SNCO's coming up trying to get us to go do details, and we just given them a funny look and say no. It's like watching a tea kettle go off, but they can't do anything about it. :D

I once had a Corporal try to get on my ass about not wearing my uniform to Army regs on the Army side of Bagram. That was fun.

Odysseus
10-28-2011, 01:40 PM
One of the things I love about being in the AF. When we're stationed at Army bases, we'll get some of your SNCO's coming up trying to get us to go do details, and we just given them a funny look and say no. It's like watching a tea kettle go off, but they can't do anything about it. :D

I once had a Corporal try to get on my ass about not wearing my uniform to Army regs on the Army side of Bagram. That was fun.

When I was the ops officer for the mayor's cell at Balad, I had to task the Air Force for bodies, just like every other tenant unit. I sent out the FRAGO and didn't get a response, so I followed up with an e-mail and a phone call. Eventually, my counterpart told me that they "non-concurred" with the FRAGO. I then explained that the "O" in FRAGO stood for order, and that when I sent a FRAGS, for suggestion, they could non-concur, and that I expected them to man towers and do details like everybody else on the base. He then explained to me that he worked for CENTAF, and that if I wanted an Airman to sit in a tower, I had to submit a request through their higher headquarters. I was pissed off enough to do it, but my boss wasn't, and I was told to let it go. Meanwhile, we had to take up the slack and the army units were tasked out.

This went on for months, and then, I got a nastygram from my higher headquarters. It seems that the Air Force junior enlisted were bored. There weren't enough social activities to keep them occupied, and they wanted to know what I was going to do about it.

I went back into my archives and pulled up every tasking that the Air Force had refused and rewrote them as social activities. Escorting Local National laborers was rewritten as "Cultural Awareness Lab." Tower guard became "Nature Watch," etc. I then presented this to my boss, who promptly threatened to relieve me if I sent that higher. I forget what the response finally was, but the word of my new Social Activities FRAGO got back to the Air Force, and they didn't complain about the boredom issue again. Apparently, your chain of command would rather have you sit idle than work.

djones520
10-28-2011, 01:46 PM
I can just about gaurantee that the thinking behind the resistance was "Once that door is opened, it'll never be closed."

We got the shit knocked out of us here that way. We were a non-deployable unit, because we were already directly supporting the operations over there. Then all of a sudden we get tasked with more stateside mission support and we're suddenly deployable. But we're told, oh just one guy at a time, nothing more then that. Then there's two guys gone... then their asking for three guys...

It's a slippery slope.

We also deploy differently from you guys. When you go, you send your entire unit. When we go, we send one or two from a unit, and our deployed unit is usually minimally manned to get the job done. We don't have extra bodies because Airman Snuffie who had something to do back home, but not here got dragged along.

So pulling that man power ends up hurting the overall productivity of that unit, which in the real world situation there already there for is generally considered unnacceptable. It's doubly like that because just about everyone of our jobs is specialized. We don't have generic infantry to draw from for extra duties. Every extra duty we end up doing is on top of our primary duty that only we are capable of doing.

Odysseus
10-28-2011, 02:16 PM
I can just about gaurantee that the thinking behind the resistance was "Once that door is opened, it'll never be closed."

We got the shit knocked out of us here that way. We were a non-deployable unit, because we were already directly supporting the operations over there. Then all of a sudden we get tasked with more stateside mission support and we're suddenly deployable. But we're told, oh just one guy at a time, nothing more then that. Then there's two guys gone... then their asking for three guys...

It's a slippery slope.

We also deploy differently from you guys. When you go, you send your entire unit. When we go, we send one or two from a unit, and our deployed unit is usually minimally manned to get the job done. We don't have extra bodies because Airman Snuffie who had something to do back home, but not here got dragged along.

So pulling that man power ends up hurting the overall productivity of that unit, which in the real world situation there already there for is generally considered unnacceptable. It's doubly like that because just about everyone of our jobs is specialized. We don't have generic infantry to draw from for extra duties. Every extra duty we end up doing is on top of our primary duty that only we are capable of doing.

And I get that, but then don't complain that we're not meeting your social requirements. Like the song says, I'm not here for your entertainment. :D

djones520
10-28-2011, 02:19 PM
And I get that, but then don't complain that we're not meeting your social requirements. Like the song says, I'm not here for your entertainment. :D

Well we're Airmen. It's our job to bitch about how good we've got it. :D

Odysseus
10-28-2011, 02:36 PM
Well we're Airmen. It's our job to bitch about how good we've got it. :D

Then perhaps you should change the term to "Airpersons"? :D :p

Constitutionally Speaking
10-28-2011, 07:05 PM
I can see it with no trouble. I wonder if you have to have the DOD certificate to view it.


You might, I got a little pop up box explaining i didn't have the clearance to view it.

djones520
10-28-2011, 07:53 PM
You might, I got a little pop up box explaining i didn't have the clearance to view it.

Well it's three women (maybe) in head to toe burqa's, a stacked Airman, and a Soldier that I only know is a woman because the article said so. :p

Odysseus
10-29-2011, 10:21 AM
Well it's three women (maybe) in head to toe burqa's, a stacked Airman, and a Soldier that I only know is a woman because the article said so. :p

Geez, I thought that the Air Force had a vision requirement. It's four women in burqas, and the stacked MAJ is army. It's the AF CPT who is gender-indeterminate. :p

djones520
10-29-2011, 10:47 AM
Geez, I thought that the Air Force had a vision requirement. It's four women in burqas, and the stacked MAJ is army. It's the AF CPT who is gender-indeterminate. :p

I'm going off of memory, and I'm positive the stacked one was in ABU's not ACU's. I'll have to reexamine tomorrow I guess.

Bailey
10-29-2011, 11:46 AM
I dont know if anyone has it but there was a joke where all the branches of the military were bitching about there service and the last one was an AF sargent and complained that his computer was broken or some such, while all the others had real problems to deal with.

Bailey
10-29-2011, 11:49 AM
I'm going off of memory, and I'm positive the stacked one was in ABU's not ACU's. I'll have to reexamine tomorrow I guess.

What is it with military clothing that just robs near man looking women of any feminity.?

Odysseus
10-29-2011, 02:52 PM
What is it with military clothing that just robs near man looking women of any feminity.?

Military uniforms are supposed to project power, security and strength. These are masculine traits, and those that wear them tend to appear more masculine (even the Air Force :D).

noonwitch
10-31-2011, 09:39 AM
Linda or Noon i believe....

I defend american muslims. I also recognize that women are treated like second class citizens at best in muslim-run nations. I note the fact that things are better and different for muslim women in the US than in many other parts of the world.

fettpett
11-01-2011, 10:29 AM
I defend american muslims. I also recognize that women are treated like second class citizens at best in muslim-run nations. I note the fact that things are better and different for muslim women in the US than in many other parts of the world.

I did say I could be wrong :p :D

Bailey
11-01-2011, 11:18 AM
Military uniforms are supposed to project power, security and strength. These are masculine traits, and those that wear them tend to appear more masculine (even the Air Force :D).

Thats very hard to do.... :D