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Lanie
11-02-2011, 12:20 AM
The demonstrations against corporate excess, which have taken place nationwide with greater frequency in recent weeks, arrived in the city because of a hearing at High Point City Hall over a proposed Duke Energy Corp. electric rate hike. About 150 people, many of them with the Occupy Greensboro and Occupy Winston-Salem groups, packed the High Point City Council chambers to protest the request that could lead to a 17 percent rate hike for Triad Duke customers.

The hearing was one of a series taking place across the state on the request. Duke filed a request with the North Carolina Utilities Commission to increase electric rates by approximately $646 million. The utility argues it needs the increase to recoup capital costs, such as spending $4.8 billion since 2009 on modernizing its power system and complying with environmental regulations. If approved, new rates for Duke customers would take effect in February.

Even before the protest by the Occupy demonstrators Thursday, Duke faced vigorous opposition from consumer groups over the rate hike proposal. The commission should make a decision in January on the request.

Demonstrators against the proposal showed up more than a half an hour before the hearing. Todd Warren with Occupy Greensboro, in an interview with The High Point Enterprise before the hearing, echoed many of the sentiments expressed by opponents.

"Here we are in one of the worst recessions in memory, and you have a company I think of as a monopoly talking about a rate increase. It amounts to a regressive tax on the poor. It just seems outrageous when folks are struggling to keep a job," Warren said.

How dare these people!

How dare these people want to keep more of their own money instead of having to keep giving it needlessly to a monopoly. They clearly hate the rich. Stupid commies. How dare they want to keep more of their own money or want to keep their electricity.

Forgot.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2011/10/28/article/occupy_wall_street_protests_reach_high_point

NJCardFan
11-02-2011, 12:27 AM
How dare these people!

How dare these people want to keep more of their own money instead of having to keep giving it needlessly to a monopoly. They clearly hate the rich. Stupid commies. How dare they want to keep more of their own money or want to keep their electricity.

Forgot.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2011/10/28/article/occupy_wall_street_protests_reach_high_point

Now what? Why don't you take your gutless ass and go live in one of those socialist utopias you are so fond of. You're a troll as bad as wee wee and the other idiots.

marv
11-02-2011, 12:39 AM
OMG! A "tax" in the midst of a recession? How evil.........

Lanie
11-02-2011, 12:48 AM
OMG! A "tax" in the midst of a recession? How evil.........

And I bet the Republicans here will all support it just because occupy is against it.

This is actually their point. While you all don't appear to favor *any* tax increases on the rich (many of which are already on welfare through bailouts), you actually favor taxing the crap out of the poor. And THAT is actually the OWS argument.

BTW guys, I'm not an OWS supporter. I'm not a supporter because some of the main leaders make all rich people out to be evil and I know better. I also think that taxing corporations too much will lead out to jobloss. But in all honesty, I think they're making some valid points.

Tipsycatlover
11-02-2011, 12:51 AM
Your first mistake is thinking it's "their" electricity. It isn't. It is coming from the ones who make it.

DumbAss Tanker
11-02-2011, 12:29 PM
It costs what it costs, dipshits. Do you think Scrooge McDuck is going to open the money bin to make up the costs of all the high-end environmental compliance you demand? There are only two places it can come from if you want the damn' power, either directly in the rates or indiirectly in your taxes.

NJCardFan
11-02-2011, 01:16 PM
And I bet the Republicans here will all support it just because occupy is against it.

This is actually their point. While you all don't appear to favor *any* tax increases on the rich (many of which are already on welfare through bailouts), you actually favor taxing the crap out of the poor. And THAT is actually the OWS argument.

BTW guys, I'm not an OWS supporter. I'm not a supporter because some of the main leaders make all rich people out to be evil and I know better. I also think that taxing corporations too much will lead out to jobloss. But in all honesty, I think they're making some valid points.

OK, I'm done making nice. Either you produce hard evidence of specific "rich" people benefiting from "welfare through bailouts" or you shut your troll mouth. Also, go back and look at every post in this forum(yes, all 200K+ of them) and find one post that says that anyone here is in favor of "taxing the crap out of the poor". I'm tired of you making sweeping, baseless accusations. But this is typical of you and your ilk. You are a troll, an idiot, and an asshole who should be banned for trolling.

txradioguy
11-02-2011, 01:22 PM
OK, I'm done making nice. Either you produce hard evidence of specific "rich" people benefiting from "welfare through bailouts" or you shut your troll mouth. Also, go back and look at every post in this forum(yes, all 200K+ of them) and find one post that says that anyone here is in favor of "taxing the crap out of the poor". I'm tired of you making sweeping, baseless accusations. But this is typical of you and your ilk. You are a troll, an idiot, and an asshole who should be banned for trolling.

And this is is where Bridget makes her exit

NJCardFan
11-02-2011, 01:25 PM
And this is is where Bridget makes her exit

She's just another troll swooper and pooper. Frankly, we need to start permanently banning these people. It's not funny anymore.

txradioguy
11-02-2011, 01:28 PM
She's just another troll swooper and pooper. Frankly, we need to start permanently banning these people. It's not funny anymore.


She's been here as long as I have...which is since 2005...her act was old after the first month I was here.

Maybe I'll get a Christmas gift and she'll get served with the ban hammer this year.

Zafod
11-02-2011, 01:56 PM
ahhh bridgy the piggy poo is bored.

why do you people entertain this ugly hog?

Lanie
11-02-2011, 04:37 PM
It costs what it costs, dipshits. Do you think Scrooge McDuck is going to open the money bin to make up the costs of all the high-end environmental compliance you demand? There are only two places it can come from if you want the damn' power, either directly in the rates or indiirectly in your taxes.

You pay for what you use. If you are using loads of energy, then that gets added on to your bill. It doesn't have to be in rates.

Lanie
11-02-2011, 04:38 PM
OK, I'm done making nice. Either you produce hard evidence of specific "rich" people benefiting from "welfare through bailouts" or you shut your troll mouth. Also, go back and look at every post in this forum(yes, all 200K+ of them) and find one post that says that anyone here is in favor of "taxing the crap out of the poor". I'm tired of you making sweeping, baseless accusations. But this is typical of you and your ilk. You are a troll, an idiot, and an asshole who should be banned for trolling.

Are you really not aware of banks getting bailouts? I would call that welfare.

Truth is while you all scream and scream on behalf of the rich when a tax comes up, you all do not lift one finger for the poor and the middle class in situations like this. It's okay to keep taking their money.

marv
11-02-2011, 05:02 PM
You pay for what you use. If you are using loads of energy, then that gets added on to your bill. It doesn't have to be in rates.HUH? http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/avatars/scratchhead.gif

Your electric bill, and water, and gas, is comprised of connectivity (service availability), consumption (with credits/surcharges where/when applicable), provider construction, maintenance and repair. Oh, and the business taxes on the utility company.


Truth is while you all scream and scream on behalf of the rich when a tax comes up, you all do not lift one finger for the poor and the middle class in situations like this. It's okay to keep taking their money.How much do you simply just give to your neighbors each year on a regular basis? Or do you? C'mon, blow your horn........

NJCardFan
11-02-2011, 08:54 PM
Are you really not aware of banks getting bailouts? I would call that welfare.

Truth is while you all scream and scream on behalf of the rich when a tax comes up, you all do not lift one finger for the poor and the middle class in situations like this. It's okay to keep taking their money.

OK, for starters, no one person owns a bank. Banks are owned by a conglomerate of shareholders. Guess what? There are "poor" and middle class people who have bank stock in their 401K's and other pension systems. Also, considering that only 49% of the income earners in this country foot the entire tax bill, chances are the "poor" aren't paying any taxes in the first place. Also, I'm not helping the poor? Are you aware that I have had someone elses child in my house since July? So fuck you you little idealist. You want to help the poor? Go help them. Don't have the government mandate that I do so by force. Get off your little ass and go volunteer somewhere or cook something and bring it to a needy family or whatever. That's the thing with you little leftist idealists, you're all mouth and no action.

Lanie
11-02-2011, 10:51 PM
OK, for starters, no one person owns a bank. Banks are owned by a conglomerate of shareholders. Guess what? There are "poor" and middle class people who have bank stock in their 401K's and other pension systems. Also, considering that only 49% of the income earners in this country foot the entire tax bill, chances are the "poor" aren't paying any taxes in the first place. Also, I'm not helping the poor? Are you aware that I have had someone elses child in my house since July? So fuck you you little idealist. You want to help the poor? Go help them. Don't have the government mandate that I do so by force. Get off your little ass and go volunteer somewhere or cook something and bring it to a needy family or whatever. That's the thing with you little leftist idealists, you're all mouth and no action.

What makes you believe I don't do any work for the poor? Just because I do help the poor on my spare time doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about where the tax money goes. Why should only conservatives have an opinion on it? You all make liberals pay for war, the death penalty, and other things they object to. So liberals think some of the money should go toward helping the poor. Oh, the horror!

And I didn't say you personally don't help anybody who is poor. You did on the other hand just accuse me of that because you don't agree with my politics. Projection much?

Apocalypse
11-02-2011, 11:18 PM
Lan you ever do any research on what you post?


In 1991, Duke Energy increased rates by 4.1 percent.



Rates stayed flat for 16 years until they dropped a total of seven percent in 2007-2008.



In 2010, Duke Energy's rates increased eight percent, which was phased in over two years.


So over all from the last 20 years they have only seen a price increase of 5.1%

Has the cost of fuel for this plant stayed the same?

No.

Has their Union employees not seen a single pay raise in this time?

Hell no.

Has their Union benefits not improved in this time?

Hell yes

Now with rising cost they are asking for almost a 20% increase. Steep by any measure, but lets look closer.


The Director of the Electric Division of the Public Staff of the Utilities Commission, James McLawhorn, said they're not aware of any time Duke Energy has been given 100 percent of the increase it proposed.

So they ask for about 20%, knowing they wont get it. They negotiate it down to what is likely about a 4-6% increase. And spread it out over 2 years or longer.

Rockntractor
11-02-2011, 11:22 PM
Lan you ever do any research on what you post?



So over all from the last 20 years they have only seen a price increase of 5.1%

Has the cost of fuel for this plant stayed the same?

No.

Has their Union employees not seen a single pay raise in this time?

Hell no.

Has their Union benefits not improved in this time?

Hell yes

Now with rising cost they are asking for almost a 20% increase. Steep by any measure, but lets look closer.



So they ask for about 20%, knowing they wont get it. They negotiate it down to what is likely about a 4-6% increase. And spread it out over 2 years or longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

NJCardFan
11-02-2011, 11:42 PM
What makes you believe I don't do any work for the poor? Just because I do help the poor on my spare time doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about where the tax money goes. Why should only conservatives have an opinion on it? You all make liberals pay for war, the death penalty, and other things they object to. So liberals think some of the money should go toward helping the poor. Oh, the horror!

And I didn't say you personally don't help anybody who is poor. You did on the other hand just accuse me of that because you don't agree with my politics. Projection much?
Between war and welfare, which one is in the U.S. Constitution?

DumbAss Tanker
11-03-2011, 09:59 AM
You pay for what you use. If you are using loads of energy, then that gets added on to your bill. It doesn't have to be in rates.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read, even on the internet. Are you sure you aren't EFerrari's sockpuppet? How do you think the bottom-line number in your bill is generated?

Hint: Power used (KWH) X rate ($/KWH) + miscellaneous stupid taxes and charges ($) = Your bill ($)

:smilie_wall:

obx
11-03-2011, 10:16 AM
Most places that use huge amounts of power are charged peak consumption rates. This means if they use a million kw at any given time, they are charged as if they used that much for 24/7 the whole month. Even if they only used it for 30 seconds and then used none for the rest of the time.